jase
 admin, 3830 posts
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 Carpe stultus!
Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 13:06
Re: RPoL Design Update
Well... it's more than a pretty effect and reading order.  (c;

Posting a reply will now open the compose screen at the bottom of the current page.  Instant reply window and the current page in its entirety is available to you.

Being me I've now gone one further.

Hitting the quote or reply links on an individual message will now append that quote/reply at the bottom of your current compose screen.  This no longer needs a new page to load plus you can do 5 quotes and 5 replies for a single message.  But not 6, because that would be silly!

Those watching closely will notice a slight delay when pressing quote, that's because it's got to retrieve the post text from the server again to prune out any unwanted text (private lines, edit comments etc).

Not sure how much either are used but I hope it makes life easier and faster for everyone.  You can return to the old behaviour by right-clicking on any of the links and opening in a new tab.
Ski-Bird
 subscriber, 158 posts
Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 13:11
Re: RPoL Design Update
jase:
... you can do 5 quotes and 5 replies for a single message. ...

Not sure how much either are used but I hope it makes life easier and faster for everyone.


I do this quiet a bit, include more than one quote in a single post, I mean.  Sometimes I'll have an NPC that is responding to a few different PCs and it's nice to call attention to what they are answering.  The old way involved a fair bit of copy/paste and manually creating the [quote] tags ... this is much easier.

 
SunRuanEr:
Thanks Jase =)


Seconded.
LonePaladin
 member, 864 posts
 Creator of HeroForge
Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 18:16
Re: RPoL Design Update
jase:
Hitting the quote or reply links on an individual message will now append that quote/reply at the bottom of your current compose screen.

Would it be possible to have that quote button look for highlighted text, and only quote that part?
jase
 admin, 3831 posts
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Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 23:55
Re: RPoL Design Update
Unfortunately not, as mentioned the system has to retrieve the saved message from the server.  The source can be very different to what you're seeing (or what others should be seeing).  Tables, grids, colouring, private lines, secret lines, languages, lists, images... the list goes on.

If it was done that way then you'd lose all formatting (tables and lists would become a mass of text) and all private, secret and language lines would be included as you see them.

Best option, keeping those issues in mind is to go to the message, copy the text, hit quote and then replace with your clipboard.
LonePaladin
 member, 865 posts
 Creator of HeroForge
Mon 15 Feb 2021
at 04:00
Re: RPoL Design Update
Suspected as much. Having the older messages visible will facilitate that, so it's good.
ladysharlyne
 subscriber, 3018 posts
 Member before Oct 2005
 The glass is half full
Sat 20 Feb 2021
at 11:44
Re: RPoL Design Update
In reply to jase (msg # 504):

I have tried this and it works brilliantly thank you so much for this feature to quote more than one post.  As always you give us your best and you are much appreciated for it.  It is a big help to me! x
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 374 posts
Tue 23 Feb 2021
at 20:22
Re: RPoL Design Update
Noticed a bit of weirdness recently, not sure for how long it's been going on but was at least happening yesterday and today.

Hitting 'Post a Reply' at the bottom of a thread is auto-populating the Subject from the post at the *TOP* of the viewable page into the post window, instead of the title from the most-recent post in the thread. Not sure if this is because the title used to pull from the topmost post (when the recent posts were below the post window in reverse order) or what, but I've caught it happening twice now.

Edit for clarity: When it just happened to me, I was trying to reply to post #153 of a thread, but it pulled the Subject title from post #119, which was the topmost visible post of that page when in the reply composition window.

This message was last edited by the user at 20:24, Tue 23 Feb 2021.

SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 375 posts
Fri 26 Feb 2021
at 17:01
Re: RPoL Design Update
Got some more weirdness out of nowhere.

So, PMs now trip Last Post*, and for GM-controlled characters (NPC or PC) trip Last Login on the cast list that players see (which is good, since that's back on the non-mouseover cast list), but for some reason...that's not staying in at least one instance I've found.

Yesterday, a round of PMs tripped a last login for GM-controlled characters in a new game and turned their Last Login to (as it should have) 'Today'.

Today, every last one of those GM-controlled characters, all of whom are showing a Last Post of yesterday still (because of the PM that was sent that tripped their login), are showing Last Logins of 'Never'. Yesterday, the day they made their PM post, they were showing Last Logins of 'Today'. I'm not seeing this behavior in games where characters have all previously posted in public threads, so I suspect this is somehow related to having ONLY posted in PMs but I could be wrong. At the very least, where I can verify, in every game with a GM-controlled character that HAS posted in a public thread, they are not reverting to a 'Never' Last Login.

*-Additionally, PMs are also not tripping Last Post consistently. Some player-owned characters ARE having their Last Post tripped by PMing with the GM (either in their RTJ thread or otherwise). Most are not. (Roughly 1/3 of the player characters are having their Last Post count their PMs with the GM, the other 2/3 still show 'Never' as their Last Post, despite being deep in discussion with the GM.) GM-controlled characters that PM only other GM-controlled characters are NOT having their Last Post tripped at all. If a GM-controlled character starts a PM with player characters, it will trip Last Post for the player character, but not the GM character. If a player character starts the PM with a GM-controlled character, and the GM character responds, it will trip their Last Post and Last Login, but apparently only for the day the post was made.

I know you've put a lot of work into trying to fix the system that attempts to obfuscate GM-controlled characters, jase, but I'm beginning to feel like the best fix is to undo all of it and revert it back to the old years-ago situation of GM-controlled characters logging in when the GM does. The system that 'scrambles' their Last Login seems like it's causing more harm than good by creating these weird discrepancies. At the very least, it seems easier on you. =(
byzantinex
 member, 208 posts
Sun 28 Feb 2021
at 13:08
Re: RPoL Design Update
Strange issue that's easily overcome but annoying. On mobile (Android, Chrome) whenever I click to post, the subject and post as boxes are hidden. I can turn my phone sideways (landscape) and it shows back up, and it remains visible once I turn my phone portrait mode again.

Like I said, small issue, but didn't see anyone else point it out yet. Thanks a ton for this awesome website and all the work you do Jase!
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 377 posts
Wed 17 Mar 2021
at 13:18
Re: RPoL Design Update
Small weirdness this morning, not majorly concerning, but felt like a different behavior than usual.

Was working on a post and decided to back out of it, so went to hit back, got the whole expected 'confirm you want to leave the page' popup and did that, then it tripped a solid gray page with a 'Confirm Form Resubmission' (this is where things start to get unusual, since I'm pretty sure that usually confirming leaving the page with the popup just took us back to the thread before). So I did...

...and it popped up the thread with the reply posting window containing the entirety of the last post I had made in the thread days ago as if it had just been written and was ready to repost. o.O

As an aside, can confirm now with regards to post #511 above that GM-controlled characters do NOT have their last logins reset to 'Never' at midnight once they have made posts in public threads. It continues to reset to 'Never' at midnight for GM-controlled characters that haven't posted in public threads.
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 384 posts
Wed 21 Apr 2021
at 22:53
Minor glitch
Minor glitch noticed -

Have noticed a PM thread that has turned to all monotype font, seems roughly related to one party of the thread posting a table in a post (using a self-made grid of | and __ markers and the <tt> option, which apparently forces things into tables in responsive, which is sad but besides the point here...). Every post since that one in the thread is in monotype font.

There's no monotype in the post with the table, and nothing appears in the reply window to indicate that posts are going to be in monotype font, but they've definitely all been entirely in monotype since the post with the table.
Skald
 moderator, 934 posts
 Whatever it is,
 I'm against it
Sat 15 May 2021
at 05:26
Minor glitch
jase - possible issue with the way the responsive (and old site ??) handles daylight saving per discussion in this thread here:

link to a message in this forum

Seems mainly to be a problem with times on the Cast list, which made me think it could be something to do with the code that fudges time for GMs OR it might very well be a system/browser issue ... but figured you'd able to pronounce definitively cos I can't.  <grins>

Since we don't do Daylight Saving time adjustments where I live, it all looks fine to me, of course.  :>
evileeyore
 member, 504 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined August 2015
Fri 23 Jul 2021
at 19:12
New site design
Any chance we can get a "Mark AS Read" button at the top of the page too?  Quite often I just hit that to mark everything read without ever opening a thread in a forum (and having to scroll down is just so passe... :P ).

It's an ease of life feature I liked from the old site, I've finally decided to switch to the responsive site and it's the one thing I miss.  (So far)
nauthiz
 subscriber, 724 posts
Fri 23 Jul 2021
at 19:21
Re: RPoL Design Update
If you tap/click the "dice"/"this forum" drop-down menu, the option is also located there, which will cost you an extra click but save you a scroll.
evileeyore
 member, 505 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined August 2015
Fri 23 Jul 2021
at 19:44
Re: RPoL Design Update
nauthiz:
If you tap/click the "dice"/"this forum" drop-down menu, the option is also located there, which will cost you an extra click but save you a scroll.

Awesome!  I'm fine with an extra click... that scrolling was just soooo tiring!  ;)
evileeyore
 member, 509 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined 20150819
Sat 24 Jul 2021
at 01:16
Re: RPoL Design Update
Since I'm trying to fully explore the responsive site, including on Mobile...  any chance we can get a choice between dark, neutral, and light colours for these button Icons:

https://i.imgur.com/LDFM2f1.jpg

Because on my theme they look like this:

https://i.imgur.com/BwEZvEK.jpg

Which I can survive, but it took some fiddling around on my phone to even realize those buttons existed (at first I made the header backgrounds the same shade as the button icons without realizing it).  It's fine on my preferred browsing experience (Glorious PC Master Race), but like I said, on my phone I was lost trying to find stuff when I first implemented my "UltraDarkBumblebee" theme.

Also, anyway to get teh info here:

https://i.imgur.com/UNZuhmS.jpg

... to spread out a bit so those forums look more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/tcBywnW.jpg


I'm not even saying it has to be some autosizing thing (though, you know, that would be sweet), but if we could set a maximum height for those forum buttons... or something.  It looks pretty good on mobile, it's only a little "overly large", but I understand "not all devices work the same", etc.
Aryiea
 member, 8 posts
Sat 24 Jul 2021
at 14:45
Re: RPoL Design Update
jase:
To create a purple (or any coloured) theme I'm going to go off an use the same theme creation tool you're using.


Will there be a way to use the images from the 'pastel' theme on the OG site on the responsive site at some point? I can load in the colors easily enough but I'm wondering about the awesome 50's diner logo and background image, lol. I'm sure it isn't a priority but I'm curious if we can expect to see that functionality one day :)
ladysharlyne
 subscriber, 3141 posts
Sat 24 Jul 2021
at 15:10
Re: RPoL Design Update

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Imladir
 member, 56 posts
Mon 27 Sep 2021
at 01:37
Re: RPoL Design Update
When using the quite reply thing, the title of the new post is set to the same as the one of the first post on the current page.

In most cases, it's not a problem since the title doesn't really change. But when the title of the thread or even just the title of the messages change (for example to track locations in a character's thread) it's a bit annoying, particularly since it doesn't really make any sense.

Could you make it so the new post's title is by default either the thread's title or the same as the last message in the thread?
Xenoviel
 subscriber, 35 posts
 AlloyedClavicle
 Lexi (she/they)
Wed 22 Jun 2022
at 17:15
Re: RPoL Design Update
With a little help from a friend who has a custom theme that makes the visual appearance of the responsive site easier to work with, I have been exclusively using the Responsive site for several weeks now. In that time, I have only one real gripe that isn't "I've been using the old site for years and muscle memory keeps expecting links to be where they are on the old site."

My one gripe is explicitly for using the site on PC with a mouse. When visiting the cast list, some of the information is hidden by a little dropdown section. This is good because it keeps things less cluttered and easier to read. However, when mousing over entries on the list, there is a faint delay before those drop-down sections automatically expand. Then the mouse moves away from them, there is a similar delay before they automatically close.

I have been finding this automatic function to be very frustrating to use with a mouse on PC. What keeps happening is that I inadvertently mouse over several cast members while moving the cursor to the character I want details on. Some of these will expand because the cursor touched them. This moves the list below them down. Then, I get the cursor to where I think I need it and the entries above it close, moving the list up again. This leads to my cursor winding up one or more entries down from where I wanted it to be and with an entry expanded that I didn't need to see. I can't keep entries expanded (e.g. to look at two characters' Groups simultaneously).

On mobile, the function of this page is great, because they expand when you tap them. The trouble is that you can't click them to toggle whether they are expanded or not on PC.
Chernobyl
 supporter, 168 posts
 Area of desolate waste,
 Mutation Central.
Sun 4 Dec 2022
at 03:34
Re: RPoL Design Update
Has something changed regarding the style text feature?

I used to be able to cut/paste dice roller results for multiple rolls and tag outside with <orange> tags and the whole rolls showed in orange. Now it seems to break and an unwritten class='helphover'> appears after the first roll.
locojedi
 member, 218 posts
Sat 7 Jan 2023
at 16:18
Re: RPoL Design Update
Alright, alright, alright... I'll admit that I've been using the responsive site on a new phone after years of dragging my feet and griping. It's really great.

/ME eats his hat, red feather and all!

Could we have a toggle in the Preferences tab that would allow those of us who've taken the plunge, to hide the Thank You box? After a year of seeing it several times a day, it's gotten slightly annoying.

quote:
Thank you for testing out the new responsive site for RPoL.  If you wish to submit feedback or ask questions please visit RPoL Development.


Thanks again, and hello from a newly converted Grognard to the new-fangled website!
Zag24
 supporter, 753 posts
Sat 7 Jan 2023
at 17:04
Re: RPoL Design Update
I guess I see how that might become annoying on a phone, where screen real estate is a lot more precious.  I exclusively use the new site and I almost never notice it.  (... on my 33-inch screen)
steelsmiter
 member, 2190 posts
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Sat 7 Jan 2023
at 18:53
Re: RPoL Design Update
Zag24:
I guess I see how that might become annoying on a phone, where screen real estate is a lot more precious.  I exclusively use the new site and I almost never notice it.  (... on my 33-inch screen)

I use my laptop exclusively and I hate it. I don't mind that people don't hate it, but it's nice to have options. That being said, I haven't bothered to attack it with ScriptSafe like I have some of the things on other sites that won't go away, but it would be nice to not have to if it got annoying enough.
nauthiz
 subscriber, 760 posts
Sat 7 Jan 2023
at 19:30
Re: RPoL Design Update
I honestly had to go back and look to remember where it was located and how much room it takes up when viewing the site on my phone.

Being able to toggle it off would be beneficial, but I guess I'm so used to the general design of many mobile websites cramming junk everywhere around the content you're actually visiting the site for that something as simple as the Thank You message just became part of the background and ceased to exist as far as my noticing it goes.