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Duly noted. You're entirely correct: further discussion on that line strays a bit from the actual topic here, which deals with Tarot. Any further discussion on this line, if proven needful, will be pursued elsewhere. | |||||||||
Yup, feature creep is one thing, but the custom cards suggestion is really another matter entirely. For what it's worth, my opinion is that the copyright problem will be a killer, but as we've said that's a discussion for another thread. Very good point about the reversed option taking the Tarot deck out to XD156 - anything else that needs to be taken into account ... from a quick look at wikipedia, it seems the occult deck with major/minor arcana is the most commonly used, though there's also some Italian, Italian-Portuguese and French gaming decks. Even with just the occult deck, wiki suggests there's some variation in naming the suits, specifically batons/wands/rods/staves and coins/pentacles/disks. Is there a more widely used/preferred term ? | |||||||||
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Really, it sounds a little cold, but ideally there would be a space to fill in, like, "% Reversed" when you draw. Unfortunately, the open space that comes with different systems is already needed for "No of cards", so I don't know where you could put that. If it needs to be just standard, I'd say maybe each card should have at most a 20% chance of being Reversed, but then again, that might just be the way I shuffle. I always feel like they should be rare, so I don't turn very many. Maybe at the beginning of any Tarot draw, the system could randomly generate a number from 5-25 and that would be the percent chance of a card being reversed in this set? I actually like Staves and Coins best -- but for annotation purposes, since Swords and Cups are pretty standard, Pentacles and Wands is more useful since they start with different letters. | |||||||||
The title of the new thread will speak for itself. I'll copy any relevant stuff from here to that new thread. Everyone: thanks for cooperating with the original poster's wishes in this regard. New thread is here: link to a message in this forum Mods: feel free to slice/dice/fold/spindle/mutilate at need to meet RPoL editorial policy, and thanks! This message was last edited by the user at 02:28, Tue 27 Feb 2018. | |||||||||
I don't really need reverses, but if I did, I'd hazard that on any shuffle, the faces are either up, down(reversed), left to right, or right to left, and each accounts for 25%, not 20%. I'd also hazard that half of those left to rights and right to lefts get turned up, and the other half down. Assuming reversed is down, that should suggest (25+12.5+12.5)%. | |||||||||
But when you're shuffling a deck of Tarot cards, you kind of have to deliberately turn some around. They don't do it by themselves, there's no natural way of shuffling that does it accidentally, and there's even a convention that if you start dealing them out and most of them are coming up Reversed, then probably the deck was handed back backwards and you should turn everything over. And I, at least, tend to only turn a few, and I think that's true for most people. So that's where I get 20% tops, but really it would be better if it could be defined when you draw. I just can't think where to put that. Maybe that open field could use a comma? So, like, "No. of cards, % reversed", so that you would enter, say, "12, 15" to draw 12 cards, each with a 15% chance of being reversed? Or if you just put in "12", you'd get 12 cards and no reversing. That's similar to the Manual Entry box, but probably confusing enough to need to be explained somewhere -- like, for example, that little line of text that also updates when you choose a system. That might work. | |||||||||
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We aren't talking about using the tarot as an aid to meditation, or anything else, other than using it as a random number generator for RPGs. | |||||||||
Shyeah... that's why I deleted my last message. If it's still there somewhere, nuke it, please. It was the result of fatigue and way too much going on when I posted. | |||||||||
That's what happens when I post replies using my phone while I'm at work. By the time I finish typing and hit the button, the message I'm replying to has been deleted. :) This message was last edited by the user at 06:07, Thu 01 Mar 2018. | |||||||||
Wow... we were working at the same instant in time? Heh... | |||||||||
So, where are we at? I think we were at, yes, adding a Tarot Deck to the decks of cards is probably a good idea, and from there, it would be really good if there's a way to set how likely they are to be Reversed? Based on a comment from The Other Thread that still seems relevant here, I do think having a full deck and a Major Arcana Only deck would be useful -- a lot of game applications for Tarot cards, especially, do rely on only the Major Arcana because they're clearly the most fun. And since we have regular cards differentiated just for with-and-without-Jokers, that seems totally reasonable without getting into the Fully Customizable discussion. | |||||||||
Wasn't much to see in my post: I drew a Celtic Cross layout to explain a concept (cards in "crossing" orientation in a layout) that really didn't require explanation on review of the post to which I was replying.
And I think, based on earlier observations made, the way to go there is to randomize the deck itself, including any reversals, based on an algorithm that simulates cutting and shuffling the deck prior to the draw. That does seem rather outside the scope of the dice roller as it presently stands, though. Absent that, a simple Xd2 for each card drawn can settle that well enough for most purposes. Each card drawn has only two possible states (Upright and Reversed), and, even if the usual method of cutting the deck introduces reversals at either a 1/3 or 2/3 rate (depending on the sequence of turns during the cut), eventually, since the deck is not "straightened" between readings, the probability of reversal actually is still 1/2 for any card drawn.
Absolutely. Having the Major and Minor Arcana and the unified deck separately available supports the full range of Tarot-related operations. Given a way to sort out reversal states, the rest seems almost trivial coding-wise. | |||||||||
that goes beyond what I originally asked about it for, but I wouldn't begrudge it.
and that's about the entirety of what I was trying to say in the post I deleted. This message was last edited by the user at 18:39, Thu 01 Mar 2018. | |||||||||
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There are two cards which can occupy "swapped" positions in the Major Arcana, but I'll cover that when I get there (the cards are VIII and XI) In most conventional Tarot, VIII is Strength, while XI is Justice. In some more, erm, arcane Tarot VIII is Justice (it's in balance) and XI is Strength (or Power). I'd suggest a look like: XI - Strength: {meaning here} XI - Strength (Reversed): {reversed meaning here} and for the lesser Arcana: Ace of Wands: {meaning here} Ace of Wands (Reversed): {reversed meaning here} It might be wise to settle on which arrangement (arcana order) we want to use. I'm cool with either one. | |||||||||
Tarot Deck - Major Arcana 0 - The Fool I - The Magician II - The High Priestess III - The Empress IV - The Emperor V - The Hierophant VI - The Lovers VII - The Chariot VIII - Strength IX - The Hermit X - Wheel of Fortune XI - Justice XII - The Hanged Man XIII - Death XIV - Temperance XV - The Devil XVI - The Tower XVII - The Star XVIII - The Moon XIX - The Sun XX - Judgement XXI - The World Tarot Deck - Full 0 - The Fool I - The Magician II - The High Priestess III - The Empress IV - The Emperor V - The Hierophant VI - The Lovers VII - The Chariot VIII - Strength IX - The Hermit X - Wheel of Fortune XI - Justice XII - The Hanged Man XIII - Death XIV - Temperance XV - The Devil XVI - The Tower XVII - The Star XVIII - The Moon XIX - The Sun XX - Judgement XXI - The World Ace of Wands Two of Wands Three of Wands Four of Wands Five of Wands Six of Wands Seven of Wands Eight of Wands Nine of Wands Ten of Wands Page of Wands Knight of Wands Queen of Wands King of Wands Ace of Cups Two of Cups Three of Cups Four of Cups Five of Cups Six of Cups Seven of Cups Eight of Cups Nine of Cups Ten of Cups Page of Cups Knight of Cups Queen of Cups King of Cups Ace of Swords Two of Swords Three of Swords Four of Swords Five of Swords Six of Swords Seven of Swords Eight of Swords Nine of Swords Ten of Swords Page of Swords Knight of Swords Queen of Swords King of Swords Ace of Pentacles Two of Pentacles Three of Pentacles Four of Pentacles Five of Pentacles Six of Pentacles Seven of Pentacles Eight of Pentacles Nine of Pentacles Ten of Pentacles Page of Pentacles Knight of Pentacles Queen of Pentacles King of Pentacles This message was last edited by the user at 06:06, Thu 08 Aug. | |||||||||
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Builders of the Adytum, The Crowley Thoth Deck, the Brotherhood of Light tarot (which has a lovely Ancient Egyptian motif and a really in-depth book), and probably several others, do swap XI and VIII, making Justice (or its equivalent) VIII while Strength (or Lust) is XI. In all cases I've seen, the reasons for this are numerological in origin. Suits tend to take different names in the Minor Arcana: Rods = Wands = Staves (= Clubs in a standard playing card deck) Cups = any of several synonyms, depending on the deck (= Hearts) Disks = Pentacles = Coins (= Diamonds) Swords = Blades (= Spades) (I can't remember clearly which deck I used to own that had Blades for Swords. It was some unusual hippy-dippy deck that I bought because I found the artwork attractive.) The most common names for the suits are: Swords, Cups, Pentacles, and Wands. I only know what I do about Tarot decks because I used to collect them. Then, of course, there's the Amber Tarot... I owe a list: GENERIC TAROT (any with VIII and XI as shown below) 0 - The Fool I - The Magician II - The High Priestess III - The Empress IV - The Emperor V - The Hierophant VI - The Lovers VII - The Chariot VIII - Strength IX - The Hermit X - The Wheel of Fortune XI - Justice XII - The Hanged Man XIII - Death XIV - Temperance XV - The Devil XVI - The Tower XVII - The Star XVIII - The Moon XIX - The Sun XX - Judgement XXI - The World The Ace of Swords The Two of Swords The Three of Swords The Four of Swords The Five of Swords The Six of Swords The Seven of Swords The Eight of Swords The Nine of Swords The Ten of Swords The Page of Swords The Knight of Swords The Queen of Swords The King of Swords The Ace of Cups The Two of Cups The Three of Cups The Four of Cups The Five of Cups The Six of Cups The Seven of Cups The Eight of Cups The Nine of Cups The Ten of Cups The Page of Cups The Knight of Cups The Queen of Cups The King of Cups The Ace of Pentacles The Two of Pentacles The Three of Pentacles The Four of Pentacles The Five of Pentacles The Six of Pentacles The Eight of Pentacles The Nine of Pentacles The Ten of Pentacles The Page of Pentacles The Knight of Pentacles The Queen of Pentacles The King of Pentacles The Ace of Wands The Two of Wands The Three of Wands The Four of Wands The Five of Wands The Six of Wands The Eight of Wands The Nine of Wands The Ten of Wands The Page of Wands The Knight of Wands The Queen of Wands The King of Wands Now stripped of formatting, whitespace, etc. Choose, everyone. This message was last edited by the user at 06:09, Thu 08 Aug. | |||||||||
As in the 3DA thread.... Here's how I'd write up tossing a coin; Name: Coin toss
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Editing my original listing. My error. Please, everyone, choose. This message was last edited by the user at 06:16, Thu 08 Aug. | |||||||||
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