steelsmiter
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Wed 21 Feb 2018
at 20:47
Can we get this tarot card roller added?
I saw a really neat Tarot card based dungeon generator. Is there a way to draw tarot cards on here? I saw deck of 52 and deck of 54. Am I just missing something?

This message was last updated by the user at 13:16, Fri 23 Feb 2018.

horus
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Thu 22 Feb 2018
at 02:16
Is there a way?
In reply to steelsmiter (msg # 1):

It wouldn't be too hard to simulate a Tarot deck.

[dice=Nd78 record=yes unique=yes memo="Draw N cards from the Tarot deck" text="Draw N unique cards from a 78-card Tarot deck."]

where N is replaced with the number of draws you need to make.  Then look up the card values on a table you've created for the purpose.  (If you want the Major Arcana to start with zero in your table, replace Nd78 with Nd78-1.)

Try this, pulling a standard Celtic Cross:

[dice=10d78 record=yes unique=yes memo="Draw 10 cards from the Tarot deck" text="Draw 10 unique cards from a 78-card Tarot deck."]

(Of course, you'll need to be in a game with a dice roller to test it out.)
steelsmiter
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Thu 22 Feb 2018
at 03:32
Is there a way?
I came to Development mainly because I wanted it as a dice roller choice. I asked if it was already possible because I didn't want to create a duplicate request if someone already asked for a Tarot deck and if RPoL already added it into the dice roller.

What I actually want, is where to look for it if they already made it, or for them to make it if they haven't.

This message was last edited by the user at 03:37, Thu 22 Feb 2018.

horus
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Thu 22 Feb 2018
at 05:52
Re: Is there a way?
steelsmiter:
I came to Development mainly because I wanted it as a dice roller choice. I asked if it was already possible because I didn't want to create a duplicate request if someone already asked for a Tarot deck and if RPoL already added it into the dice roller.

What I actually want, is where to look for it if they already made it, or for them to make it if they haven't.


Sorry.  To see whether or not it's in the dice roller, open the dice roller and drop down the list for Game System/Special Dice about mid-way down.  I don't see it there.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Tarot Deck in the roller, either, if that helps.

Since the Tarot is in public domain unless a specific artwork set is associated with it, there should be no legal impediment, anyway, but one of the mods will have to tackle whether or not it can/will be added as a game system or special roll.
Utsukushi
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Thu 22 Feb 2018
at 16:02
Re: Is there a way?
I can think of a couple of systems that use it (albeit rarely as a core mechanic), and lots of characters.  I'm actually kind of surprised it hasn't come up before.
steelsmiter
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Thu 22 Feb 2018
at 16:47
Re: Is there a way?
I'd link the reddit post to the dungeon generator I saw for it, but I don't know that I can. Either way, I would really like a way to generate those dungeons, and I'd hope to not have to bother with custom dice and tables.
evileeyore
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Thu 22 Feb 2018
at 17:00
Re: Is there a way?
There are several 'random tarot' generators online.
steelsmiter
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Thu 22 Feb 2018
at 17:26
Re: Is there a way?
that's irrelevant.
silverelf
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Fri 23 Feb 2018
at 08:16
Re: Is there a way?
The site doesn't seem to have a tarot generator. So you will have to request it, or seek off site generators for the dungeons.
steelsmiter
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Fri 23 Feb 2018
at 13:14
Re: Is there a way?
silverelf:
So you will have to request it

At this point, that's literally what I've said I'm doing as per msg #3. I may be doing it in the wrong place since staff doesn't seem to be responding to it. So any response other than a binary yes or no, from anyone who isn't staff, is literally pointless right now.
Skald
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Fri 23 Feb 2018
at 13:41
Re: Is there a way?
jase will look at suggestions put forward in this forum and gauge the level of interest in it as he makes a decision as to whether it's worth his time coding it or not, so it's not for moderators to say yes or no (unless the suggestion goes against site rules or has come up before and been rejected) ... it's for the site users to vote with their +1s and -1s as to whether they'd like to see a feature adopted.
steelsmiter
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Fri 23 Feb 2018
at 16:50
Re: Is there a way?
Fair enough. I just really hate being told to do something off site so my reaction wasn't really ideal.
the_Cava
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Fri 23 Feb 2018
at 18:33
Re: Is there a way?
Should a tarot roller be added, I would use it a lot.

I felt the lack of one when I started a Ravenloft game, but then the 54 card Tarokka deck came out, and I could use the 54 card roller already present.

I still think the full 78 tarot card roller would be a useful addition to the site.
horus
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Fri 23 Feb 2018
at 21:45
Re: Is there a way?
Skald:
... it's for the site users to vote with their +1s and -1s as to whether they'd like to see a feature adopted.


In case it's not already obvious how I would feel:  +1, and thanks for asking.
aguy777
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Fri 23 Feb 2018
at 22:33
Re: Is there a way?
I can see myself getting some use out of this. +1 from me.
DarkLightHitomi
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Sat 24 Feb 2018
at 01:48
Re: Is there a way?
How about just making a way to add our own decks?

That would allow ccgs to be played fairly easy, and allow any number of other card games such as Three Dragon Ante (whicn has two decks with a variety of ways to mix and match the "suits") or even Phase 10 and Uno.
Utsukushi
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Sat 24 Feb 2018
at 20:50
Re: Is there a way?
That feels less like "feature creep" and more like "feature rocketing straight out of the atmosphere and headed for Mars"... but Jase has said it's not really our job to gauge the difficulty of these things, so sure, that would be awesome.

But +1 for adding Tarot to the kinds of basic card decks, at least.
horus
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Sun 25 Feb 2018
at 04:16
Re: Is there a way?
DarkLightHitomi:
How about just making a way to add our own decks?

That would allow ccgs to be played fairly easy, and allow any number of other card games such as Three Dragon Ante (whicn has two decks with a variety of ways to mix and match the "suits") or even Phase 10 and Uno.

The dice roll to support this is the easy part.  Roll XdY where X is is the number of draws, Y is the number of cards, and set unique=yes.  Easy peasy.  (But in the case of Tarot, not Xd78 as one might think, but Xd156, to account for upright and reversed meanings.)

The hard part would be building the interface to make a symbol table, because not all card decks have the same suits, values, names, meanings, etc.

I could see a need for as many as seven columns in the symbol table:

  • Result:  the value of the die roll which generates a given card.
  • Symbol:  the value shown on the face of the card (1, 2, 3,... Page, Knight, Grand Imperial Poobah, etc.)
  • Suit/Color:  Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Black, etc.
  • Hierarchy:  Major/Minor Arcana, Trumps, Pips, Face Cards, etc.
  • Position:  Normal, Upright, Crossing
  • Face Up/Face Down: (Basically private or not?)
  • Text:         Any meanings, rules, or effects this card has, etc.


Of course, others may have different ideas.  It is certainly possible some of these columns in the table for a deck might be dealt with in other ways by the dice roller.

Then again, I'm making presumptions I probably shouldn't about the best method for simulating a deck of cards.

Mods:  would further discussion of methods and practices be welcome here?
 Aside from practical considerations, there are also legal ones.  Building a deck simulator for copyrighted cards (Yugi-Oh, Deck of Fate, etc.) might present ethical challenges...

steelsmiter
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Sun 25 Feb 2018
at 04:57
Re: Is there a way?
horus:
Mods:  would further discussion of methods and practices be welcome here?
 Aside from practical considerations, there are also legal ones.  Building a deck simulator for copyrighted cards (Yugi-Oh, Deck of Fate, etc.) might present ethical challenges...

I'm not a mod, but I'd like to respectfully ask that the greater substance of the different varieties of cards in your post and the one you were referencing be opened in another thread. I do of course have a bias in that regard, so take of that what you will.
Kessa
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Sun 25 Feb 2018
at 07:20
Re: Is there a way?
I also am for adding a Tarot card feature, if possible. There are at least a few systems I can think of that use these, or where they would just be darn useful for a game.