DarkLightHitomi
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Mon 2 Jul 2018
at 00:21
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
I like Three Dragon Ante in it's own right as a game, but now I want to use it for character generation and yet have to hack something together or use an offline physical deck.

There are two decks, the original and emporer's gambit, and though you could mix and match piecemeal according to the manual, I'd be happy with just three options of Original, Emporer's Gambit, and combined of both full decks.
Genghis the Hutt
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Mon 2 Jul 2018
at 12:42
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Could you post all the rules, and which cards are in which decks?

Also, I don't think there's a mechanism to track which cards have already been drawn from a deck -- each draw is a completely random draw so it's possible to get a duplicate draw.
DarkLightHitomi
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Mon 2 Jul 2018
at 20:12
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
For the full card game that would be a problem, though with a gm, the gm simply draws the entire deck in one go as a secret roll and doles out the cards from that.

But for chargen or tarot-like readings, you draw all cards in one go, so the unique results option already available is sufficient.

I'll get the card lists and everything posted as I can. Not sure I can post all the rules, since it is not a free game, but I don't think there are any rules that affect drawing from the deck, as you simply draw cards like any common card game such as poker.

I will say it is somewhat like poker, and the deck is a custom deck for the game, but there is no deck-building or anything like that. You just have the existing decks.

This message was last edited by the user at 20:15, Mon 02 July 2018.

DarkLightHitomi
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Tue 3 Jul 2018
at 02:24
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
The original deck,
The list of cards and their strength rank. The number to the right is the dice result for that card. 6 of each dragon, 7 mortals, and 3 "god" cards. (I somehow missed 9, so I moved Tiamat to minimize how much retyping was needed. In case you were wondering about the pattern break.)

1 The Archmage   .........9
2 Bahamut ...............13
3 Black Dragon ........1
4        .................2
5        .................3
6        .................5
7        .................7
8        .................9
9  Tiamat ........... 13
10 Blue Dragon ........1
11       .................2
12       .................4
13       .................7
14       .................9
15         ..............11
16 Brass Dragon .......1
17       .................2
18       .................4
19       .................5
20       .................7
21       .................9
22 Bronze Dragon .....1
23       .................3
24       .................6
25       .................7
26       .................9
27        .............. 11
28 Copper Dragon ......1
29       .................3
30       .................5
31       .................7
32       .................8
33        .............. 10
34 Dracolich ........ 10
35 The Dragonslayer ...8
36 The Druid ..........6
37 The Fool ...........3
38 Gold Dragon ........2
39       .................4
40       .................6
41       .................9
42        .............. 11
43        .............. 13
44 Green Dragon .......1
45       .................2
46       .................4
47       .................6
48       .................8
49        .............. 10
50 The Priest .........5
51 The Princess .......4
52 Red Dragon .........2
53       .................3
54       .................5
55       .................8
56        .............. 10
57        .............. 12
58 Silver Dragon ......2
59       .................3
60       .................6
61       .................8
62        .............. 10
63        .............. 12
64 The Thief ..........7
65 White Dragon .......1
66       .................2
67       .................3
68       .................4
69       .................6
70       .................8
DarkLightHitomi
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Tue 3 Jul 2018
at 02:54
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Here are the Emporer's Gambit cards. Not as clean looking because I C&P (gotta love Hacker's Keyboard that lets me use keyboard commands).

Evil Dragons:
Earthquake Dragon (12, 10, 8, 7, 5, 2)
Count the number of Earthquake Dragons in all flights and in the ante. Each opponent pays you that much gold

Brown Dragon (9, 6, 5, 4, 2, 1)
Steal 1 gold from the stakes. If your flight doesn't contain any good dragons, steal and extra 2 gold from the stakes.

Purple Dragon (11, 10, 8, 5, 3, 2)
Draw a card. Then put a card from your hand into the ante.

Shadow Dragon (9, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1)
Take a random card from the hand of the opponent with the most cards in hand. Discard this card and replace it with the card you took. That card's power triggers.

Gray Dragon (10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 2)
The opponent with the strongest flight pays you 1 gold for each evil dragon in the ante.

Good Dragons:
Steel Dragon (11, 9, 7, 5, 4, 2)
The opponent to your left chooses either to give you a mortal from his or her hand or to pay you 4 gold.

Mithral Dragon (13, 11, 9, 7, 5, 3)
Each player with three or fewer cards in hand draws a card. Then draw a card.

Iron Dragon (9, 7, 5, 4, 3, 1)
Put an evil dragon from the ante into your hand.

Adamantine Dragon (12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 3)
Draw a card. Each opponent pays 1 gold to the stakes.

Mercury Dragon (10, 9, 7, 5, 3, 1)
Draw a card for each color of good dragon in your flight.

Mortals:
Dragon Turtle (3)
The power of each other mortal in your flight triggers.
Ante: When this card is put into the ante or is revealed as an ante card, each player pays gold to the stakes equal to the strength of the weakest ante card.

The Adventurer (10)
Discard one card from your hand or discard your entire hand. Then draw as many cards as you discarded.
Ante: The winner of the gambit splits the stakes evenly with opponents who scored special flights during the gambit.

The Emperor (6)
The gambit will not be scored until after the fourth round. When the gambit is scored, add 4 to the strength of your flight.

The Exarch (9)
Each opponent puts a card from his or her hand into the ante.
Ante: Cards of strength 10 or higher trigger when played.

The Queen (7)
Each opponent with both good and evil dragons in the same flight pays you 5 gold, and you take a random card from that player's hand.

The Sorcerer (8)
Reveal the top three cards of the deck. Discard this card and replace it with one of the revealed cards. That card's power triggers. Pit the other two revealed cards into the ante.

The Spy (5)
Put an ante card into your hand.
Ante: Whenever a player takes the first turn of a round, that player pays each opponent 2 gold.

The Wyrmpriest (5)
For the rest of the gambit, this card counts as a dragon of any color for completing a color flight, and you can complete a color flight with three mortals.

Unaligned Dragons:
Hatchling (4)
Copy the power of a weaker card in any flight.
Ante: The player with the weakest flight wins the gambit instead of the player with the strongest flight.

Io (13) Unaligned Dragon God
Each player pays gold to the stakes equal to the number of players.
Dragon God - As long as you have Io and a mortal in your flight, you can't win the gambit.
bigbadron
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Tue 3 Jul 2018
at 07:45
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Another thing to consider : how much use would this be likely to see?
matthewfenn
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Tue 3 Jul 2018
at 08:35
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Something that might be interesting to develop might be a card drawer option on the dice roller...  Perhaps each game has the ability to draw cards - initially I can imagine a standard 52 card deck, but eventually custom decks where GMs can import their own decks into their games.  The decks would have to be attached to the game record and keep track of a) the full list of cards in each deck, b) the status of each deck (in use or not) and c) if in use, then the list of cards drawn already.  Then, when using the dice roller to draw a card, you select the deck you want to draw from, roll a random number to represent the card drawn, if the card drawn is already on the list of cards previously drawn, then the dice roller keeps rolling till it selects a card that isn't drawn.

I've done a similar system on a spreadsheet that I use to manage Magic the Gathering cards...
bigbadron
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Tue 3 Jul 2018
at 09:24
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
The dice roller already has the ability to simulate standard 52 and 54 card decks.  All cards drawn in a single use of the roller are unique, but it doesn't remember previous rolls.
DarkLightHitomi
 member, 1391 posts
Tue 3 Jul 2018
at 09:55
Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Truthfully, if Jase ever gets around to it, it'd be nice to have alaised dice. Basically, when setting up the dice roller, name each possible result, and make it selectable as a die the same way we can select a card deck.

Then again, there is an old roller that let you not only define the list of results, but also weight the results in a simple "[weight], Name" format.
horus
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Wed 4 Jul 2018
at 04:54
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
DarkLightHitomi:
Truthfully, if Jase ever gets around to it, it'd be nice to have alaised dice. Basically, when setting up the dice roller, name each possible result, and make it selectable as a die the same way we can select a card deck.

Then again, there is an old roller that let you not only define the list of results, but also weight the results in a simple "[weight], Name" format.


I can guess why that might not be a feature... it would be too easy to simulate copyrighted decks/dice.  I won't belabor it further, 'cause maybe I'm wrong?  (Or just too cynical with respect to human nature?)
DarkLightHitomi
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Wed 4 Jul 2018
at 05:19
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
That's the trouble with freedom. You can't allow it without giving up massive amounts of control.
horus
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Wed 4 Jul 2018
at 07:40
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
DarkLightHitomi:
That's the trouble with freedom. You can't allow it without giving up massive amounts of control.


So very true, but freedom of the press has always applied only to those who own the presses.  (Guess which OS I run at home?)

We're getting kinda far afield here, and I'm sorry for my part in that.
LonePaladin
 member, 736 posts
 Creator of HeroForge
Thu 5 Jul 2018
at 06:37
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
I for one would love to see a 3DA simulator here.

Some caveats, however:
  • You would need multiple versions. There's one for the vanilla 3DA, one for Emperor's Gambit. Each is technically a separate game. You'd also need one for having both sets combined, and more for all the variant combinations suggested in the Emperor's Gambit rulebook.
  • You would need to recreate the text from the cards. Just knowing that you drew, say, a Gold Dragon with a 9 Strength is okay, but you would also have to have it repeat the card's power. That's a lot of info to store in the Die Roller.
  • It belongs to Wizards of the Coast. Anyone familiar with that company probably knows how fiercely they defend their intellectual property, even if it's long out-of-print.
  • It has a limited audience. I mean, yeah, I love my 3DA. But realistically it was never very popular. Never mind that the current D&D rules actually reference 3DA in the equipment list -- that wasn't enough to motivate them to reprint the game.

Probably easier to just make a list of the cards in use, then do a single "roll all dice, unique rolls only, record all results" roll of the appropriate number (like 1d70). The die roller can handle that without breaking a sweat.
jase
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Tue 6 Aug 2019
at 13:48
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Is WotC really going to care if all we put are the card names and no other information?  Not sure that's really copyright infringement.

I'm going to need a clear list if I do this, something I can copy and paste.  Currently I'd have to rewrite the whole lot!
LonePaladin
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Wed 7 Aug 2019
at 04:04
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Me again! There's a precedent set for being able to copy a games mechanics, as long as you don't copy the 'flavor text' or step on intellectual property. Since the only real 'IP' elements to 3DA are in the artwork, I'd hazard a guess that you could put everything from the cards in and they wouldn't bat an eye.

You could even post the rules themselves somewhere here -- say, in Heaven -- and still be kosher.

You can find a summary of the game mechanics on its Wikipedia entry. The full text of the rules can be found on this archive.org page, but it includes the 'flavor text' you'd want to avoid.

Also note that a new version, called Three Dragon Ante: Legendary Edition came out last month and it has some changes to the rules. I don't have a copy yet so I can't report on them.

Anyway, if you want to start with the Classic Edition, here's a simple list of the cards.

Card NameStrengthPower
Evil Dragons
Black Dragon1Steal 2 gold from the stakes.
 2 
 3 
 5 
 7 
 9 
Blue Dragon1Choose one: Steal 1 gold from the stakes for each evil dragon in your flight; or each opponent pays that much gold to the stakes.
 2 
 4 
 7 
 9 
 11 
Green Dragon1The opponent to your left chooses either to give you a weaker evil dragon from his or her hand or to pay you 5 gold.
 2 
 4 
 6 
 8 
 10 
Red Dragon2The opponent with the strongest flight pays you 1 gold. Take a random card from that playerís hand.
 3 
 5 
 8 
 10 
 12 
White Dragon1If any flight includes a mortal, steal 3 gold from the stakes.
 2 
 3 
 4 
 6 
 8 
Good Dragons
Brass Dragon1The opponent with the strongest flight chooses either to give you a stronger good dragon from his or her hand or to pay you 5 gold.
 2 
 4 
 5 
 7 
 9 
Bronze Dragon1Put the two weakest ante cards into your hand.
 3 
 6 
 7 
 9 
 11 
Copper Dragon1Discard this card and replace it with the top card of the deck. That cardís power triggers regardless of its strength.
 3 
 5 
 7 
 8 
 10 
Gold Dragon2Draw a card for each good dragon in your flight.
 4 
 6 
 9 
 11 
 13 
Silver Dragon2Each player with at least one good dragon in his or her flight draws a card.
 3 
 6 
 8 
 10 
 12 
Mortals
The Archmage9Pay 1 gold to the stakes. Copy the power of an ante card.
The Dragonslayer8Pay 1 gold to the stakes. Discard a weaker dragon from any flight.
The Druid6Pay 1 gold to the stakes. The player with the weakest flight wins the gambit instead of the player with the strongest flight.
The Fool3Pay 1 gold to the stakes. Draw a card for each player with a flight stronger than yours.
The Priest5Pay 1 gold to the stakes. You are the leader for the next round of this gambit instead of any other player.
The Princess4Pay 1 gold to the stakes. The power of each good dragon in your flight triggers.
The Thief7Steal 7 gold from the stakes. Discard a card from your hand.
Dragon Gods
Bahamut13Each other player with both good and evil dragons in the same flight pays you 10 gold.
Dragon GodóAs long as you have Bahamut and an evil dragon in your flight, you canít win the gambit.
The Dracolich10Copy the power of an evil dragon in any flight.
Tiamat13Tiamat counts as a Black, Blue, Green, Red, and White Dragon.
Dragon GodóAs long as you have Tiamat and a good dragon in your flight, you canít win the gambit.

jase
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Thu 8 Aug 2019
at 05:50
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Need it even simpler!  Here's how I'd write up tossing a coin;

Name:  Coin toss
  1. Heads
  2. Tails


Simple as that.  No cheating on the names, I'll be copying and pasting so if you do "White Dragon 1" and then the next line is "               2" you're making me do the work (and I'm not gonna!).

This message was last edited by the user at 05:53, Thu 08 Aug.

LonePaladin
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Thu 8 Aug 2019
at 07:13
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Fair enough.
  1. Black Dragon 1
  2. Black Dragon 2
  3. Black Dragon 3
  4. Black Dragon 5
  5. Black Dragon 7
  6. Black Dragon 9
  7. Blue Dragon 1
  8. Blue Dragon 2
  9. Blue Dragon 4
  10. Blue Dragon 7
  11. Blue Dragon 9
  12. Blue Dragon 11
  13. Green Dragon 1
  14. Green Dragon 2
  15. Green Dragon 4
  16. Green Dragon 6
  17. Green Dragon 8
  18. Green Dragon 10
  19. Red Dragon 2
  20. Red Dragon 3
  21. Red Dragon 5
  22. Red Dragon 8
  23. Red Dragon 10
  24. Red Dragon 12
  25. White Dragon 1
  26. White Dragon 2
  27. White Dragon 3
  28. White Dragon 4
  29. White Dragon 6
  30. White Dragon 8
  31. Brass Dragon 1
  32. Brass Dragon 2
  33. Brass Dragon 4
  34. Brass Dragon 5
  35. Brass Dragon 7
  36. Brass Dragon 9
  37. Bronze Dragon 1
  38. Bronze Dragon 3
  39. Bronze Dragon 6
  40. Bronze Dragon 7
  41. Bronze Dragon 9
  42. Bronze Dragon 11
  43. Copper Dragon 1
  44. Copper Dragon 3
  45. Copper Dragon 5
  46. Copper Dragon 7
  47. Copper Dragon 8
  48. Copper Dragon 10
  49. Gold Dragon 2
  50. Gold Dragon 4
  51. Gold Dragon 6
  52. Gold Dragon 9
  53. Gold Dragon 11
  54. Gold Dragon 13
  55. Silver Dragon 2
  56. Silver Dragon 3
  57. Silver Dragon 6
  58. Silver Dragon 8
  59. Silver Dragon 10
  60. Silver Dragon 12
  61. The Archmage 9
  62. The Dragonslayer 8
  63. The Druid 6
  64. The Fool 3
  65. The Priest 5
  66. The Princess 4
  67. The Thief 7
  68. Bahamut 13
  69. Dracolich 10
  70. Tiamat 13

jase
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Thu 8 Aug 2019
at 09:28
Re: Please add Three Dragon Ante decks to the card roller
Perfect, thanks.  Added to the roller.  Usual disclaimer.. responsive site only!  If you want to test it out without clogging your game dice logs then mess with it on the beta site.