Just backtracking to Abbas' exploration of the pool before we continue on. I take it you are just filling up waterskins then returning to the Scilandar?

Anyway, bonus RP time! Here's rewards for January's efforts:

Good work guys, sorry the updates have been a little slow of late, just getting into my new job. Feel free to add to your sheets.

No problem, my friend.  Real Life comes first, always.

I was feeling guilty for the same reason chum.  Rascally real life!

A brief delay was fine by me... dealing with a lot of stuff for the kids for the last week.

And I believe its time for me to step out.

Sorry folks.

Seriously?

Anyway, regardless of Jibril's attitude, I don't find it particularly useful to threaten a character IC:

Hence what he is THINKING hence the / / used. Nothing was thrown. Nothing was done.

So your post actually made little sense.

And for stepping out, unfortunatly yes.

My post was directed at your constant angry grunts and growls at Jibril, coupled with you jabbing a branch with a weapon.  These are observable behaviors, which is exactly how I addressed it IC. I think the interpretation is pretty clear.

As pointed out to me by another player in this game, posting thoughts about another player in the game (which can't be addressed directly because they are thoughts) can be interpreted as a passive-aggressive way to game and isn't very sportsman-like.

I'm sorry to see you go over this, especially since Jibril was offering a sort of truce to Zane.

That's a truce? Really? Almost every other word out of Jibril is a complaint, insult or threat.

So jabbing a branch is aggression. Naw. Throwing a spear into someone. That's aggression. Thinking about it, that's aggrivation. Taking the post and acting as if the person did something directly or indirectly, that makes no sense.

Ever think the character grunts/acts angrily towards someone because they are acting odd/rude/ect? Apparently not.

Apparently, the way Jib is towards others is totally ok. But insulting someone he doesn't know that is nothing like him is ok too...

One hell of a truce. Truly. :P

Yup, that's Jibril. As I've stated before, Jibril is not trying to win a popularity contest here. And he doesn't have the highest charisma score. Not every character is likeable in a game, and Jibril is certainly in that category. I'm sorry for offending you.



I think you missed my point.  Your thoughts were aggressive, and because they are thoughts, they can't be addressed directly IC. The message is still clear to me as a player though.  I received feedback on this from another player in this game several weeks ago about Jibril's thoughts, and it was a valid point, so I've tried to not do this with my character any longer.



Of course, I did. That's why I addressed it.  I think my quips back and forth with Krogan (and Fareeda and Lambrac at some level) illustrate that Jibril is adaptable...and can actually enjoy and respect the back and forth banter from another character. But I think it takes it to a whole different level when you threaten violence towards another character--thoughts or otherwise.  I personally don't think that's cool, especially if you can find other ways to express your anger with Jibril (as other players have done). If you want to resolve it in roleplaying, we can.



Again, I'm sorry I offended you, but I'm trying to play true to my character's less than stellar personality.  A few weeks ago, I brought a similar issue up with the GM and asked him how we could write Jibril's character out of the game. I was encouraged to stick it out and stay, despite my less than popular rating among several of the other players. I told him I would continue and see how things go.  Seriously, if you feel like you would like to stay in this game without my participation, then I can consult with the GM again about writing his character out.

Forget it. I'll drop. Its not fair to you. And the fact of thinking it and then being talked to about it when it was a IC /thought/ is aggrivating. It so seems no matter what Jib does, its ok. But when confronted with someone who's angry and makes it know-its not ok at all. Truly.

Either way, best for me to drop even though I enjoy the game. To be honest it has always been hard for me to run or play in a game with a PC that seems rude most of the time. And the fact of doing it towards someone you don't know, someone who helped in the fight and someone who did show the water-is annoying.

My char is more 'fight first, questions later' due to how he lives and where he lives. First reaction to someone being rude? Grunt, show off. Wait. They do it again? Few say a word? He leaves. No need to stick around to get pushed around.

Hell Zane has a charisma of 6. Not because he's un-attractive but more along the lines of he's not spoken much if any in years nor has seen another 'regular' person in the same amount of time.

Don't see how its 'adaptable'. I think most just deal...but that's just my view.

Either way, good luck.....

I'm sorry to see you go, Zane.  You have an interesting character.   The rest of us can try to make it up to your guy, if you like.  And most of use are dealing with Jibril IC by giving rudeness and jokes back.  It's working so far.

Still, if you're not enjoying yourself, I certainly wouldn't hold it against you to leave.  I wish you the best.

Well thanks I like him as well.

Wow a lot can happen in a night huh. I guess it's on me to step in and keep the peace. I've read over what happened in the IC thread and from my perspective Jibril has done nothing wrong. I'm sorry if you are offended by an in character argument Zane, but if that's the case then this isn't the game for you. I heavily encourage roleplay that pushes the group past the boring 'group of friends on an adventure' cliché and Jibril's character does just that. I'm not taking sides here, but inevitably I have to be the judge and for me Jibril is entirely innocent and your various accusations of him are unfounded.

If this has pushed you to quitting then there's not much I can do. It's likely for the best however as honestly that conversation was fairly tame and you'd surely get worse in the future, possibly after investing a lot more time/effort into the game. So I thank you for your contributions and wish you well in your future games.

I'd really prefer to do this via PM but since this has sprawled into the OOC thread it's best that we get some closure in here. In future, I would request that any disagreements be sorted out via PM.

Thanks.

This is a pity. Zane had an interesting but difficult concept to play. Unfortunately, he really didn't have the option of clever retorts and his threat-rituals can't keep up.

I did try to mend things but it seems my post was missed.

Couldn't have said it better m'self, Lambrac.

Quite the hullaballoo

I think we all just need to realise that first and foremost this is a game and that we're playing characters who aren't ourselves. I would hope that even if you guys are on the verge of coming to blows in game, you'd still be able to come in here and talk as chums.

On that subject, I would much prefer to keep the friendly fire set to 'off' for now - obviously in extreme circumstances I might allow it but from experience I would say actual violence between PCs never does anything but ruin a game. If we come to a point where the current plot and circumstance demands it we'll cross that bridge then, but for instances like this where it is just an argument between characters (especially if there's a concurring disagreement OOC) then absolutely not.

Wow, I don't log on for a bit and look what happens. I'm yet to go over the IC thread but I agree with everything the GM has said.

I'm struggling to keep pace with how the game is moving, I'll still be around and I've given the GM the green light to NPC Linni as required. I'm by no means leaving, indeed it's quite the opposite. I wish I had more time to commit to the game so Linni could develop the relationships with other characters that some of you share.

But, at least for now, real life is catching up with me. I may not be back to my usual posting schedule until after Easter, but I'll do what I can.

Sorry, after that, I think we've reached a point where someone has to state that the sniping and insults are a problem. Well, an in-character problem. I think we're doing fine out-of-character.

I'm happy to bring it to OOC.

I'm personally getting a little tired of juvenile name-calling in character. It's not roleplaying, it's not particularly funny unless you're a young teenager, and I am spending a lot of time reading this incessant to and fro of teen-bickering instead of finding out what the professor wants to do and where this campaign is headed.

If the group of you (and there are several) and the DM are happy to allow this game to continue with this kind of inane banter between PCs which neither further the story nor builds character, nor forms relationships then I'm happy not to waste my time here hoping that it improves.

I actually thought I was roleplaying by trying to be creative.   Krogan is trying to keep up with Jibril, insult for insult.   He figures it's good for morale.   Out in out mean comments, without cause, are certainly a problem, but I assume tjat many of our characters have legitimate anger over Jibril's treatment of Zane, and expressing that makes perfect sense.

I'm still trying to figure out where Jibril was particularly mean to Zane from the start. I just went back and reread my posts from about #258 onward, and if you read them carefully, Zane is the first to start picking a fight with Jibril with all of his hostile grunting and growling at him. Nonetheless, I think it's all perception from your point of view (I actually thought my quip about hearing his name as "insane" instead of Zane was kind of funny).  But seriously, comparing him to a puppy dog was not the worst thing in the world I could have said to him.

Anyway, I think a little banter back and forth is one way characters develop relationships with one another and is a form of roleplaying.

I would point out on the Zane front that the player who played Zane left another game I was in at the same time he left this one. He picked a fight out of the blue with a PC for no reason, cried in OOC because things weren't going his way, and left. Another character named "Zane" left yet another 3.5e game I was in about six months ago under identical circumstances to the Zane that left this game and the Lazak that left the other game I'm referring to. He is a career sook.

The bickering is not restricted to the Zane incident and the time since he left. It has been happening for a while and does nothing to further the game nor the characters in it. If this type of playground humour and behaviour suits everyone else, I'm happy to move on and find something less unsuitable for me.

When I was brought in as Fareeda IV, I was under the impression that she and Jibril have a long-running feud going on.  I'm more than willing to tone it down for the sake of cohesion, but I don't think anyone should get in a huff if the two of us lace a barb at each other once in a while.

I don't have much of a problem with it, OOC. Indeed, I've engaged in it myself plenty of times here (though mostly in reaction) and I've generally found it amusing. Jibril's doing a fine job of playing that type of abrasive character (though at times disturbing, re: hold person).

I think Zane began by being protective of Fareeda. Unfortunately, he was unable to keep up with the verbal sparring and didn't have any other option to respond except for grunting and growling and other displays.

IC, it came to a head with the loss of Zane. If Zane was and Thaniel is bothered by it, then clearly we should tone it down.