Brainstrom for COP and commune   Posted by DM.Group: 0
DM
 GM, 2387 posts
Fri 30 Jun 2017
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quote:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...#contact-other-plane
What plane are you trying to contact and what questions are you going to ask?  The questions should be in the order you will ask them, 5 questions at a time.
I will make all rolls and tell you the results.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...commune.html#commune

I don't want to clutter up the ooc thread with this.  Here you can post questions and ideas for questions.
Vereld Stroth
 player, 1240 posts
 HP 65/65 AC 13/13/10
 cmb/d +3/16 F/R/W +6/6/9
Sat 1 Jul 2017
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My questions are going to be very simple.. well other than the fact they have to be.
1) Is vale still alive?
2) is Natalya still alive?
3) are vale and Natalya still together?
4) Are they in magnimar?
5) are they in varisia?
DM
 GM, 2388 posts
Sat 1 Jul 2017
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I moved it out to here from the original PM thread.  If we add another player I won't have to add another thread.

Vereld; which plane are you trying to contact?
Denrie
 player, 479 posts
Sat 1 Jul 2017
at 16:32
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Don't forget to ask:

What is your favorite color?
What is the airspeed of an African Swallow?
Vereld Stroth
 player, 1241 posts
 HP 65/65 AC 13/13/10
 cmb/d +3/16 F/R/W +6/6/9
Sat 1 Jul 2017
at 17:23
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I am going to try to contact a greater diety.

Casting fox's cunning on myself, and having Ulz aid another and taking 10 will get me a check of 18.

If you do not allow the taking of 10, (I do understand there is a small debate on whether you are threatened when casting Contact Other Plane.)

Then, fox's cunning, Ulz aiding another along with brit aiding another and whoever else I can get to aid another to get my check up to 18 to contact a greater diety.


Of course having guidance cast on myself along with heroism and whatever other stacking spells I can get on myself will also be used.

This message was last edited by the player at 17:25, Sat 01 July 2017.

DM
 GM, 2389 posts
Sat 1 Jul 2017
at 20:55
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Good questions,

Can you take 10 on the int roll for COP, or is the pressure of contact with "minds far removed from your home plane" which could cause "your brain being overwhelmed" enough of a distraction to disallow take 10?
How many people can "Aid Another" on this roll?  IMO 1.  It's hard to concentrate on more than 1 other being while you are trying to concentrate on COP.

Vereld Stroth:
Casting fox's cunning on myself,

While you are 10th level, FC lasts 10 min and the casting time of COP is 10 min.  For this level your FC spell will not last long enough (by 1 round).  But you can get someone else to cast it on you while you cast COP.  You know several friendly wizards who you could give the spell to (ie; let them copy it) who would be happy to cast it on you for free.  Though letting them choose 1 question might be a nice gesture on your part.

Vereld Stroth:
Of course having guidance cast on myself along with heroism and whatever other stacking spells I can get on myself will also be used.

Guidance and Heroism don't work on Ability Checks.  I do recall some spells and abilities do specify they work on ability checks.  But they need to have a duration long enough or I will require a skill check (Spellcraft) to cast/use them at the proper time.  The "Fortune" witch hex (Nasmas) is one of them, as is the Luck domains "Bit of Luck" (3.0/msg 17).

This message was last edited by the GM at 20:57, Sat 01 July 2017.

Vereld Stroth
 player, 1242 posts
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 cmb/d +3/16 F/R/W +6/6/9
Sat 1 Jul 2017
at 21:15
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I am of the camp that you can take 10 on this ability check because you are not actually threatened while casting the spell, only afterwards.But since there is a chance of failure one cannot take 20.

also CRAP on guidance and heroism. Poop on me for not reading the spells. Just always played those as giving bonuses to ability checks as well.

SO queue in Good Hope instead of guidance but need a bard or somebody with some UMD skills besides myself


I am not aware of any caps on aiding another, nor would me casting a spell have much to do with other's ability to give me advice on what to say, how to say it, or my finger positions being incorrect.

I am 100% fine with other helping me out with spell at the cost of their own question being asked. I was envisioning this to be a group effort from the start. Me coming to them and saying  ' I can do this, I need help and you can offer suggestions'
DM
 GM, 2390 posts
Sat 1 Jul 2017
at 22:29
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Per fox cunning;
  Vereld is the only one in the group that can cast FC w/o using a scroll/UMD.  However, I just had a thought, you can designate Ulz as the toucher.  But when does the held spell dissipate, as soon as you start casting COP or when you finish casting COP?
quote:
Deliver Touch Spells (Su): If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the "toucher." The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.

Overall, it would probably be better to use one of the several wizards in Sandpoint.  Which one are you going to ask?

Per Good Hope;
  Do you want to look for any 7th level bards (who may, or may not have the spell GH known) or 5th level clerics with the Revelry (sub of chaos) domain?  Clerics would probably be easier and more likely.  I will look around the npcs of Sandpoint and Magnimar, but I bet you can find one.  It would probably be cheaper than buying a scroll of a 3rd level spell.  And most of the cleric are going to be some flavor of CG.
Nasmas
 player, 1150 posts
 HP 41/41 | AC 16/15/11
 CM +6/18 | F/R/W 3/10/5
Tue 4 Jul 2017
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Guys I am sorry I am not contributing here... I must say it is a bit out of my depth. I fail to see how other planes can get to know anything about the questions you pose.

@Denrie: Blue... no wait.. red red... man we are old.
DM
 GM, 2394 posts
Tue 4 Jul 2017
at 21:30
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I was reading COP when I found
quote:
You cannot take 10 on this check
about the int check, so you will have to roll.

Assuming
Ilsoari Gandethus for Fox Cunning (+2)
Nasmas for Fortune (roll 2d20)
Brit trying Aid another, also with Fox cunning and Fortune (+2)
No one indicated In Character that they were looking for an appropriate cleric (Revelry domain) for Good Hope, so this time you can try without it.

So that's +8, roll 2d20 vs dc 16, which you make easily...this time.  Answers in Intermission thread.
Nasmas
 player, 1153 posts
 HP 41/41 | AC 16/15/11
 CM +6/18 | F/R/W 3/10/5
Wed 5 Jul 2017
at 07:01
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08:01, Today: Nasmas rolled 19 using 2d20 ((12,7)).
DM
 GM, 2604 posts
Sun 4 Feb 2018
at 00:40
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Vereld Stroth:
I guess we have a couple of days of travel to get there. Could I have cast contact other plane to get information, I see a cliff that it is built on. Cliffs.npemally have a ton of caves in them so maybe there is a back way in?

Now that is wizard talk.



http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...#contact-other-plane
Tell me who you are contacting and what are your questions?

Now that you are 11th level Vereld can cast foxes cunning on himself and it will last long enough to effect the int roll for COP. (+2 to int roll)
One other PC can try to Aid Another on an Int roll.


Nasmas is currently missing, so no Fortune hex.
You are out in the wilds, no cleric to look up for bit of luck or Good Hope. 



You may ask 5 questions.
Vereld Stroth
 player, 1380 posts
 HP 72/72 AC 13/13/10
 cmb/d +3/16 F/R/W +6/6/9
Sun 4 Feb 2018
at 06:54
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The questions I feel I need to ask is
1) are there caves at the cliffs near jorgenfist?
2)do those same canes lead into a backway entry into the fortress?

other than those 2, I am willing to hear other ideas on questions

what is the limit on how many can assist other on me?
DM
 GM, 2606 posts
Sun 4 Feb 2018
at 13:45
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Per Aid Another;
answer in msg 6 says 1, but I'm going to change that.  I have added the following clarification to my house rules in the 1st post of the ooc thread.
quote:
   > When using Contact Other Plane, you may benefit from Aid Another on the int roll.  Under normal circumstances only 1 person + your familiar may attempt to Aid you in this task.  If you can gain telepathic contact (for example, Telepathic Bond) you can have up to your int mod in helpers.

Vereld Stroth
 player, 1381 posts
 HP 72/72 AC 13/13/10
 cmb/d +3/16 F/R/W +6/6/9
Sun 4 Feb 2018
at 23:29
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I am confident I can hit lesser diety DC

But I can guarantee hit elemental.

I get multiple 5th level spells a day, while traveling I will not be using any, So I will try to get both if that is ok with you.
DM
 GM, 2608 posts
Mon 5 Feb 2018
at 00:49
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Are you going to ask the same 5 questions or a different 5 questions?
Vereld Stroth
 player, 1382 posts
 HP 72/72 AC 13/13/10
 cmb/d +3/16 F/R/W +6/6/9
Mon 5 Feb 2018
at 00:57
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same 5 questions. if I get the same answer for one then that is moe likely the truth


We have what is it 6 or 7 total days of travel? from sandpoint to the jorgenfist?
DM
 GM, 2609 posts
Mon 5 Feb 2018
at 01:01
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You have 2 days from the top of the stairs to Jorgenfist.  You didn't have much of the  information about Jorgenfist until now.
Vereld Stroth
 player, 1383 posts
 HP 72/72 AC 13/13/10
 cmb/d +3/16 F/R/W +6/6/9
Mon 5 Feb 2018
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My first day will consist of me asking an elemental plane both times, then the second day will be elemental then lesser diety.
DM
 GM, 2667 posts
Tue 10 Apr 2018
at 01:16
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This thread is specifically for figuring out what questions you want to ask with Commune and other such spells.  There is a link in the 1st post.
Brit
 player, 29 posts
Tue 10 Apr 2018
at 01:25
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1) Can a greater teleportation scroll used by Vereld safely transport Vereld, Shally, Denrie, Cahtran, & Brit into the Black Fortress of Jorgenfist?
Brit
 player, 30 posts
Wed 11 Apr 2018
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5) Can a way to defeat the leader (name) be found in the black tower of jorgenfist?

I'd hate for that answer to be No and us not find out first :)
Cathran Elmdottir
 player, 41 posts
Thu 12 Apr 2018
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If answer to spellcaster is yes:
Will we face an arcane spellcaster in the Black Tower of Jorgenfist?

If answer to the giants is yes:
Will we face more than eight giants in the Black Tower of Jorgenfist?

If answer to the giants is no:
Are there any giants in the Black Tower of Jorgenfist?

If the answer to the above question is no:
Does anybody in the Black Tower of Jorgenfist regularly report to or speak with Mokmurion?

If the answer to the above question is no:
Will the Black Tower of Jorgenfist be a safe place to sleep once its inhabitants are dealt with?
Vereld Stroth
 player, 1440 posts
 HP 86/86 AC 13/13/10
 cmb/d +4/17 F/R/W +7/7/10
Thu 12 Apr 2018
at 21:46
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If the answer to black tower being safe to rest is no:
is there a safe place in jorgenfist that is safe
Cathran Elmdottir
 player, 42 posts
Thu 12 Apr 2018
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If we wind up having an extra question:

Would Death Ward be a useful precaution in the Black Tower of Jorgenfist?