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Birahu Blackstaff
player, 20 posts
Wizard 1
AC: 8, HP: 6/6
Thu 16 May 2024
at 21:42
  • msg #511

Re: OOCC



Name                      Category               School
Chill (Cantrip)           Useful                 Evocation
Clean (Cantrip)           Useful                 Abjuration
Color (Cantrip)           Useful                 Evocation
Cut (Cantrip)             Useful                 Alteration
Dampen (Cantrip)          Useful                 Evocation
Dry (Cantrip)             Useful                 Abjuration
Dust (Cantrip)            Useful                 Abjuration
Exterminate (Cantrip)     Useful                 Abjuration
Flavor (Cantrip)          Useful                 Enchantment
Freshen (Cantrip)         Useful                 Enchantment
Gallop (Cantrip)          Useful                 Alteration
Gather (Cantrip)          Useful                 Alteration
Polish (Cantrip)          Useful                 Alteration
Salt (Cantrip)            Useful                 Evocation
Shine (Cantrip)           Useful                 Alteration
Spice (Cantrip)           Useful                 Evocation
Sprout (Cantrip)          Useful                 Evocation
Stitch (Cantrip)          Useful                 Alteration
Sweeten (Cantrip)         Useful                 Evocation
Tie (Cantrip)             Useful                 Alteration
Warm (Cantrip)            Useful                 Evocation
Wrap (Cantrip)            Useful                 Alteration
Curdle (Cantrip)          Reversed               Enchantment
Dirty (Cantrip)           Reversed               Evocation
Dusty (Cantrip)           Reversed               Evocation
Hairy (Cantrip)           Reversed               Alteration
Knot (Cantrip)            Reversed               Alteration
Ravel (Cantrip)           Reversed               Alteration
Scorch (Cantrip)          Reversed               Alteration
Sour (Cantrip)            Reversed               Evocation
Spill (Cantrip)           Reversed               Alteration
Tangle (Cantrip)          Reversed               Alteration
Tarnish (Cantrip)         Reversed               Alteration
Untie (Cantrip)           Reversed               Alteration
Wilt (Cantrip)            Reversed               Enchantment
Bee (Cantrip)             Personal Cantrips      Conjuration/Summoning
Bluelight (Cantrip)       Personal Cantrips      Conjuration
Bug (Cantrip)             Personal Cantrips      Conjuration/Summoning
Catfeet (Cantrip)         Personal Cantrips      Alteration
Firefinger (Cantrip)      Personal Cantrips      Alteration
Gnats (Cantrip)           Personal Cantrips      Conjuration/Summoning
Mouse (Cantrip)           Personal Cantrips      Conjuration/Summoning
Smokepuff (Cantrip)       Personal Cantrips      Evocation
Spark (Cantrip)           Personal Cantrips      Evocation
Spider (Cantrip)          Personal Cantrips      Conjuration/Summoning
Tweak (Cantrip)           Personal Cantrips      Conjuration
Unlock (Cantrip)          Personal Cantrips      Conjuration/Summoning
Belch (Cantrip)           Person-Affecting       Evocation
Blink (Cantrip)           Person-Affecting       Evocation
Cough (Cantrip)           Person-Affecting       Evocation
Giggle (Cantrip)          Person-Affecting       Charm
Listen (Cantrip)          Person-Affecting       Alteration
Nod (Cantrip)             Person-Affecting       Evocation
Scratch (Cantrip)         Person-Affecting       Evocation
Snatch (Cantrip)          Person-Affecting       Evocation
Sneeze (Cantrip)          Person-Affecting       Evocation
Sting (Cantrip)           Person-Affecting       Alteration
Twitch (Cantrip)          Person-Affecting       Evocation
Wink (Cantrip)            Person-Affecting       Enchantment
Yawn (Cantrip)            Person-Affecting       Evocation
Colored Lights (Cantrip)* Minor Ill. Cantrips    Alteration
Dim (Cantrip)*            Minor Ill. Cantrips    Alteration
Haze (Cantrip)*           Minor Ill. Cantrips    Alteration
Mask (Cantrip)*           Minor Ill. Cantrips    Illusion
Mirage (Cantrip)*         Minor Ill. Cantrips    Illusion
Noise (Cantrip)*          Minor Ill. Cantrips    Illusion
Rainbow (Cantrip)*        Minor Ill. Cantrips    Alteration
Two-D'lusion (Cantrip)*   Minor Ill. Cantrips    Illusion
Change (Cantrip)          Legerdemain            Alteration
Distract (Cantrip)        Legerdemain            Enchantment
Hide (Cantrip)            Legerdemain            Illusion
Mute (Cantrip)            Legerdemain            Alteration
Palm (Cantrip)            Legerdemain            Illusion
Present (Cantrip)         Legerdemain            Alteration
Creak (Cantrip)           Haunting Cantrips      Evocation
Footfall (Cantrip)        Haunting Cantrips      Illusion
Groan (Cantrip)           Haunting Cantrips      Illusion
Horn (Cantrip)            Haunting Cantrips      Evocation
Moan (Cantrip)            Haunting Cantrips      Illusion
Rattle (Cantrip)          Haunting Cantrips      Illusion
Tap (Cantrip)             Haunting Cantrips      Evocation
Thump (Cantrip)           Haunting Cantrips      Illusion
Whistle (Cantrip)         Haunting Cantrips      Evocation


GM
GM, 2710 posts
Fri 17 May 2024
at 02:39
  • msg #512

Re: OOCC


a lot of good discussion here.  Creating new spells or modifyng spells I will look at and rule.   It may be just that character able to use it or open to all.   Magic Thistle - interesting but would be a 1st level spell.   Yes there is that Cantrip spell i remember.    Agreed thecantrip ring was that 1 minor magic item theng hence the discussion but it lead to another great postings.  Yup, the gods are active in this world so the cure spell replacement is a nicety.

I'll review all new characters by this weekend and get more posts out ans statup that new group.
Solomon Silverstream
player, 15 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Fri 17 May 2024
at 11:16
  • msg #513

Re: OOCC

Agreed great discussion.
I opted to have Cantrips in a ring rather than taking the first level Cantrip spell.

It makes sense to have the Cantrip spell and be aware of the full (not just the 12 in my ring) "list" when you decide to use it for "something".


I guess the DM has officially approved my "Magic Thistles" variation on the 1st level magic missile spell.


*****As far as fitting into the game world I am assuming the port city of Lotan has a tower/lighthouse or something of that nature and a keen eyed local would likely be welcome to help especially around day break.....Also assume everyone knows me running around with wings and all.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:38, Fri 17 May.
GM
GM, 2711 posts
Fri 17 May 2024
at 15:57
  • msg #514

Re: OOCC


The Thistle spell is good.  If you can make sure it is described on your character sheet that would be great  :)

I will get you into your own adventure with another and we can work through your appearence :)   Please give me till Sunday.  I took off today to get R/L done to get time Sunday to set up your fun and work on the others fun.  Now to hire monsters and bribe evil no good doers to fill out my depleated roster :)
Solomon Silverstream
player, 16 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Fri 17 May 2024
at 16:11
  • msg #515

Re: OOCC

Yes I can do that.  I can also list it in the spells memorized thread.

Let me try by first posting the original spell and use the strike though on the original text and (parenthesis) for the changed text....


Like this:
Magic Missile (Thistles)
(Evocation)
Range: 60 yds. + 10 yds./level Components: V, S
Duration: Instantaneous Casting Time: 1
Area of Effect: 1-5 targets Saving Throw: None
Use of the magic Missile (Thistles) spell creates up to five Missile (Thistle clusters)
of magical energy that dart forth from the wizard's fingertip and unerringly strike their target. This includes enemy
creatures in a melee. The target creature must be seen or otherwise detected to be hit,
however, so near-total concealment, such as that offered by arrow slits, can render the
spell ineffective. Likewise, the caster must be able to identify the target. He cannot direct
a magic Missile (Thistles) to "Strike the commander of the legion," unless he can single out the
commander from the rest of the soldiers. Specific parts of a creature cannot be singled
out. Inanimate objects (locks, etc.) cannot be damaged by the spell, and any attempt to do
so wastes the Missiles (Thistles) to no effect. Against creatures, each Missile (Thistle) inflicts (1 point of damage)
(each thistle cluster generates) 1d4+1 points
of damage.
(thistles).
For every two extra levels of experience, the wizard gains an additional missile (cluster of 1d4+1 thistels)--he has
two at 3rd level, three at 5th level, four at 7th level, etc., up to a total of five missiles (clusters of thistles) at
9th level. If the wizard has multiple missile capability, he can have them strike a single
target creature or several creatures, as desired.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:26, Fri 17 May.
Yardly
player, 748 posts
Ogre-Magi Gladiator
AC: 0/-1 - HP: 59 // 59
Fri 17 May 2024
at 16:50
  • msg #516

Re: OOCC

Not read last 3 posts but wanted to say something quickly.

There is a Cantrip Non-Weapon Proficiency for any spellcaster, in Dragon 205 or 166 (I forget which), it is very good. I use it in my 2nd Ed games but usually but not always, only for characters who normally cast Mage spells.

Casting "Cantrip", as the spell depicts and how I run it, lasts hours and an be used to create multiple "cantrip" effects [big "C" and little "c" is deliberate].

Note: My Character isn't a spell caster, so this doesn't benefit me.
Yardly
player, 749 posts
Ogre-Magi Gladiator
AC: 0/-1 - HP: 59 // 59
Fri 17 May 2024
at 16:52
  • msg #517

Re: OOCC

Also, isn't there a Ring of Cantrips already?
I'm sure it's in the Encyclopedia Magicka
Beverly
Player, 319 posts
Farmer
Max HP = 10.
Fri 17 May 2024
at 16:56
  • msg #518

Re: OOCC

In reply to Solomon Silverstream (msg # 515):

I take it the "Cluster of Thistles" all have to hit the same Creature!
Solomon Silverstream
player, 17 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Fri 17 May 2024
at 18:03
  • msg #519

Re: OOCC

Nope...
Area of Effect: 1-5 targets

So if I have a cluster  of thistles  I can choose up to the spells capacity.

So at first level I  cast this spell and 1d4+1 turns  into 3 thistles,
and  I have 3 blind mice chasing me.....options?

Hit the lead mouse for 3
Give them each 1 point of damage.
or give any one mouse 2 and either of the others a 1.


I  can  also use it  to wake up friends  caught  in a sleep spell.  One thistle each.


Basically I am rolling damage first  and  assigning  it as desired....(within the normal spell limits).
This message was last edited by the player at 18:05, Fri 17 May.
Solomon Silverstream
player, 18 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Fri 17 May 2024
at 18:09
  • msg #520

Re: OOCC

Yardly:
Also, isn't there a Ring of Cantrips already?
I'm sure it's in the Encyclopedia Magicka

Yes there is, corrected my post above.

Ring of Cantrips (Magic Ring)

Similar rings are known to exist, and are usually made of brass engraved with symbols inside and out.
While wearing one, a wizard or bard can cast any cantrip magic, as described in the spell description.
The wizard may create 1d4+4 effects per day, and each effect lasts as long as the wizard concentrates.
Cemira Katase
player, 38 posts
Fri 17 May 2024
at 18:14
  • msg #521

Re: OOCC

IMO if one gets on average 3 to 4 autohitting missiles as a Level 1 magic user then it's definitely overpowered.
Its effect on mirror image is a good benchmark.
Solomon Silverstream
player, 19 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Fri 17 May 2024
at 18:30
  • msg #522

Re: OOCC

Cemira Katase:
IMO if one gets on average 3 to 4 autohitting missiles as a Level 1 magic user then it's definitely overpowered.
Its effect on mirror image is a good benchmark.


Have to disagree It is a range of thistles 1d4+1's range is 2-5, and each one does 1 point of damage.

Could it be in fact that the opposite is true, the OP spell is Mirror Image?


Shield is OP because of it's effect on missiles!


However a new third level spell, "shield of mirror images"
combining shield with mirror image!
This message was last edited by the player at 18:38, Fri 17 May.
Cemira Katase
player, 39 posts
Fri 17 May 2024
at 18:42
  • msg #523

Re: OOCC

The MT spell has same damage as MM and much greater potential for taking down MI and and concentration-based spells or interation-limited spells (mainly illusion). This is a conversation channel and I was expressing an opinion. You're similarly entitled to your opinion but challenging MI feels like a deflection. Anyway, I'm not the GM and will now go mute on this topic.
Solomon Silverstream
player, 20 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Fri 17 May 2024
at 22:51
  • msg #524

Re: OOCC

Thank you.  Yes we are only talking about things and offering differing opinions, I realize text lacks tone so that might make me sound more snarky than usual.

I also have to thank you for the idea for a new spell combining  shield with mirror image, that seems like a cool idea for a new spell.
Yardly
player, 750 posts
Ogre-Magi Gladiator
AC: 0/-1 - HP: 59 // 59
Sun 19 May 2024
at 18:57
  • msg #525

Re: OOCC

In reply to Solomon Silverstream (msg # 524):

If you are combining spells, you'd have to increase the level of the higher spell or increase the limits.  Mirror Image is not over powered for it's level IMO, as any hit takes down an image, you get 3 darts per round even at first level, that would decimate a Mirror Image cast at at 4th level, in 2 rounds if you hit.  Magic Missile cast at 5th gives you 3 missiles.  If the Thistles hit as a cluster, as a GM I'd say go for it (we could ignore the meta-magics that allow spell changes like colour and style).  If the Thistles could be directed at multiple people, yes they wouldn't do much damage but they'd eliminate low level enemies like a machine gun, in which case, I'd increase it's level.  You'd call it "The Carpet Sweeper" lol

I love the idea of the spell.
Solomon Silverstream
player, 21 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Sun 19 May 2024
at 20:49
  • msg #526

Re: OOCC

Oh yes I know increasing the spell level is a critical component...
I did a custom druid spell for urban use, wood flooring and ship decks that combined Entangle with warp wood, making an area of effect for warp wood, and just constant opening and closing of holes, and if you fail the save, your foot slides between the moving boards, and  the wood unwarps around your ankle(s).....locking the target in place.  It was a spell that saw little use, except for the mid levels we spent as freebooters....which I think it was either a 4th level or 5th level spell.....
Yardly
player, 752 posts
Ogre-Magi Gladiator
AC: 0/-1 - HP: 59 // 59
Sun 19 May 2024
at 22:19
  • msg #527

Re: OOCC

Solomon Silverstream:
Oh yes I know increasing the spell level is a critical component...
I did a custom druid spell for urban use, wood flooring and ship decks that combined Entangle with warp wood, making an area of effect for warp wood, and just constant opening and closing of holes, and if you fail the save, your foot slides between the moving boards, and  the wood unwarps around your ankle(s).....locking the target in place.  It was a spell that saw little use, except for the mid levels we spent as freebooters....which I think it was either a 4th level or 5th level spell.....

This is a great use of a spell.
Solomon Silverstream
player, 22 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Sun 19 May 2024
at 22:27
  • msg #528

Re: OOCC

I love spell research...slight variations and combinations,

I also love combining arcane and druidic magic into spell combinations, like first cast this spell and then cast that spell, usually based on positioning......

One of my favorites.....say you are facing a dozen quicklings.......
Position self in center of thick plant based life, taunt (arcane spell); let them get close and then hit them with the entangle and pick them off with archers...also a good way to single encounter level......96 movement rate doesn't mean much in an entangled area...
Yardly
player, 753 posts
Ogre-Magi Gladiator
AC: 0/-1 - HP: 59 // 59
Tue 21 May 2024
at 16:57
  • msg #529

Re: OOCC

Summon insects + animal growth.
Phantasmal Force + Audible Glamour
Minor Creation + Magic Weapon/Enchant item

Spectral Hand, Any 3rd => touch spell
Solomon Silverstream
player, 24 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Tue 21 May 2024
at 17:24
  • msg #530

Re: OOCC

I always liked to combine audible glamour with wall of fog....(otherwise my DM was but have you ever seen a troll?)


Let the imaginations of the enemy run wild as to what is lurking in the fog bank...scarier if you don't see anything other than the patterns your brain wants to see....


Yes big bugs is a fun combo....
GM
GM, 2712 posts
Tue 21 May 2024
at 23:54
  • msg #531

Re: OOCC



Sorry for my absence as my wife decided to visit the ER this weekend complaining about chest pains so ya, at Er all weekend now running to doctors but once I get a chance I'll post.  Please keep up the chatter I'll read when I can.

All get 50 exp for your patiances.
Birahu Blackstaff
player, 22 posts
Wizard 1
AC: 8, HP: 6/6
Wed 22 May 2024
at 00:03
  • msg #532

Re: OOCC

Take good care of her, she comes first! Hope she gets well soon, and thanks for the free xp!
Solomon Silverstream
player, 25 posts
Ranger/Druid/Mage
Have Toga Will Party!!
Wed 22 May 2024
at 00:52
  • msg #533

Re: OOCC

Hope you guys get back home safe and sound with no health issues.
Kree Quickshadow
player, 2637 posts
Hunter of the Dark
Wed 22 May 2024
at 01:39
  • msg #534

Re: OOCC

RL and You wife  cones first... we'll be here when you are less stressed. I been there .
Diana
player, 504 posts
Wed 22 May 2024
at 02:54
  • msg #535

Re: OOCC

In reply to GM (msg # 531):

Hey, hope your wife gets well soon.  Chest pains can be so damned scary.

Take your time, no rush here.
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