Still yet another O.O.C.   Posted by Hogsmeade Village.Group: 0
Amanda Davis
 player, 1047 posts
 Pureblooded Ravenclaw
Wed 4 Feb 2015
at 09:50
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Athene Shoe:
I think Athene's growing a bit paranoid.  Notice how she didn't say where Claire and the others are?  She's afraid that "Bones" isn't really the real Bones.   LOL


I’d intended to have Amanda be suspicious of whichever adult showed up next as well.  But, between the body and mind numbing spell and the fact that Bones took out Lestrange, at the moment she’s not too worried about Bones not being the real Bones.

Liu Bao-Yu:
  In the game I'm from every time I meet my fiancée the first thing we do is an 'are you polyjuiced check'.We have code words set up for 'I'm coerced but can't say any thing' and a code for what to do when kidnapped.


That sounds like a very dark game, and as though your paranoia is justified.  So far, Amanda, Athene, and Claire were working on a project last summer to create a device/devices that would act as distress beacon/tracking device.  But, while they had fun learning a bit about enchanting, they were too young to succeed in actually making anything.  The code word for “I’m coerced but can’t say anything” does sound like a useful idea though.

Severus Snape:
Sheesh, you think you're paranoid this year? Wait until my plans for next year! Year 4 has some interesting possibilities for making the students mistrust and suspect everyone inckuding themselves then you throw newly bubbling hormones in the mix, yay, and a big batch of new faces!


It sounds like we are going to be having an interesting year.  Speaking of bubbling hormones, do you want dibbs on any of the NPCs as a possible boyfriend for next year Athene?
Liu Bao-Yu
 player, 13 posts
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Wed 4 Feb 2015
at 11:03
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Mostly it's because my fiancée is actually a paranoid sociapath... The game is about as dark as Harry Potter itself..which is to say quite dark. Those devices sound quite cool. Sort of a version of Mrs Weasley's clock I guess.
Athene Shoe
 player, 1001 posts
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Wed 4 Feb 2015
at 17:04
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
In reply to Amanda Davis (msg # 761):

Not yet.  LOL
Amanda Davis
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 Pureblooded Ravenclaw
Wed 4 Feb 2015
at 22:42
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Liu Bao-Yu:
Mostly it's because my fiancée is actually a paranoid sociapath... The game is about as dark as Harry Potter itself..which is to say quite dark. Those devices sound quite cool. Sort of a version of Mrs Weasley's clock I guess.


I was fairly certain that the clock would be much to complex.  So, I was thinking something like the medic alert buttons.  You know from the “help I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” commercials.  They would have been something like charms on a necklace.  If you were in danger, you could use a code word or take a certain action and it would cause a reaction in the matching charms on your friends’ necklaces and would somehow (hadn’t quite detailed it all out) provide them with an idea of your current location.

Ideally, she’d like to create something like a magical cell phone with a built in “where’s my friend” application.  But, obviously that would be a good bit harder to make.
Severus Snape
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Thu 5 Feb 2015
at 04:18
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Not to oversimplify, but all you would need is said cellphone to enchant. You could easily enchant a cellphone to work without a service provider like wizards do with radio waves. Magic is a fundamental manipulation of theaws of nature after all. Now you make a sprll that writes code as that is just a bit too technical and complex. I shppose you could do it, but it woild write mundane programs as there is no C++ for magic, however with a cellphone so "jail roken" you could enchant something else like a pendant to enter certainkeystrokes/commands into the cellphone to activate certain function based on a verbal code.

Again, perfectly possible if a bit anove the head of third/fourth years. Sounds like a thesis project for a student wo goes on the magical graduate school. Yes, there are magical colleges and graduate schools in my world. They are rare and exclusive. Well the graduates are, most will go on to a program to train them in a specific profession which is like a technical college or something I guess. The world's most prestigious graduate school is at the Library/Lighthouse in Alexandria.
Amanda Davis
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Thu 5 Feb 2015
at 06:16
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Snape:
Not to oversimplify, but all you would need is said cellphone to enchant. You could easily enchant a cellphone to work without a service provider like wizards do with radio waves. Magic is a fundamental manipulation of theaws of nature after all. Now you make a sprll that writes code as that is just a bit too technical and complex. I shppose you could do it, but it woild write mundane programs as there is no C++ for magic, however with a cellphone so "jail roken" you could enchant something else like a pendant to enter certainkeystrokes/commands into the cellphone to activate certain function based on a verbal code.


::nods:: that would be one way to do it, especially if you have a muggleborn friend and understood a bit about muggle cell phones.  Another way might be doing a variation of the paired mirrors that Harry and Sirus had in fifth year.

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Again, perfectly possible if a bit anove the head of third/fourth years. Sounds like a thesis project for a student wo goes on the magical graduate school.


Agreed.  I’m not surprised that we didn’t have much luck last summer and if we don’t have much this summer.  (If we work on the project again and don’t get distracted with other things).  Most of the magical items invented in the books (by the Weasley Twins, by the Mauraders, and by Hermione) were invented in their fifth year or later.

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Yes, there are magical colleges and graduate schools in my world. They are rare and exclusive. Well the graduates are, most will go on to a program to train them in a specific profession which is like a technical college or something I guess. The world's most prestigious graduate school is at the Library/Lighthouse in Alexandria.


Considering the extremely small size of the magical world, I’ve always assumed that most Hogwarts graduates either go on to an apprenticeship or learn on the job (like Charlie and Percy did).  According to my math, there are probably only 5,000 wizards in Great Brittan.  (50 magical births a year x 100 years.  Based on the assumption that Harry’s class size was average and that no more than 20% of the students born each year are home schooled or go to school in a different country.  And the assumption that average life span of a wizard is approximately 100 years).

This message was last edited by the player at 06:27, Thu 05 Feb 2015.

Liu Bao-Yu
 player, 14 posts
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Thu 5 Feb 2015
at 08:00
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
My two penceworth:

HP magic is really simple. Wham Bang Thank you Ma'am in general. Wizards don't use magical phones because they can't. (Not talking even mobile phones, just phones) They use owl mail. Dumbledore uses his pictures. Prior to the Order of the Phoenix no one knew that Patronus's could be used for carrying message. Hermione's funky coins are probably close the limit. I can image a 'mirror book': anything I write in one appears in the other. I can't imagine a phone in genre: it would be a really different genre called Magictech.

There's no sentience in magic. When you zap someone, if that zap misses the effect gets whoever was hit. Given the wizarding stuff has been around for thousands of years, if they could put IFF into the spells, I think they would. They haven't because magic is too raw.

Don't forget that muggle-born have been coming into the wizarding world and doing things for ages. Voldemort for example. Hermione and effectively Harry for another. If phones were easy, they would of done them. The ability to communicate that effectively is a huge advantage, and the muggle-borns know what can be done.
Severus Snape
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Thu 5 Feb 2015
at 08:52
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Absolutely! Magic is not some sentient force subverting or altering the fundamental laws of nature. All of my favorite authors, as well as I, seem to. Iew magic as yet another fundamental law of nature which can be understood and manipulated just like thermodynamics, gravity, or magnetism. However, just like thise forces it is also subject to the yet undiscovered unified field theory. This means that they can interact. So, no, no magic phones exist but magic can be usd to manipulate the phone or enchant it. Direct magic is the most common and easiest of course, as you say, but more subtle magic exists and is extremely complicated and powerful, such as the defenses of hogwarts, the room of requirement, horcruxes, and especially magical creatures and plants! A basilisk is not some ensorcelled lizard but a creature whose very evolution involved the force of magic! The magical stuff is influencing its genetic makeup at a fundamental level, right? This is my ratinale as to why transfiguration and enchantment are very complicated and difficult while potions is like but unlike chemistry.

As for training after scool, most is vocational. They even mention in the books that Harry would have to teain with the aurors in their version of a police academy to become one. I think Tonks mentiones it too. It si my assumption then that a lot of post-secondary education in the magical world is vocational or apprenticeship but some things were and are a matter for university education such as enchantment design and magical theory. There are a few places dedicated to post-secondat study of magical matters. They are a lot like whT Boligna, Paris, and Alexandi would have been in medieval and ancient times, exclusive and prestigious.

Or, that is my take on things, but Inread a lot of Brandon Sanderson, Neil Gaiman, and Patrick Rothsfuss.
Liu Bao-Yu
 player, 15 posts
 Chinese Witch from SWI
Thu 5 Feb 2015
at 08:59
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Brandon Sanderson is awesome. I keep wanting to run / play a game in his world. Neil Gaimen good too (Good Omens is one of the best books of all time) Not read Patrick Rothfuss
Severus Snape
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Thu 5 Feb 2015
at 10:56
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Way of Kings, Elantris, or an Allomancy gam woukd be awesome!

Rothsfuss is awesome but has written only two books.
Claire Cowlings
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Sun 8 Feb 2015
at 08:26
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Work and school hit us at the same time, augh.  Started working evenings, and school online (whihc is coming out to 50 hours a week.)   On the good side, i hope to be on nights soon and I have the wifi code for work (finally got it last night). and only 4 weeks to go in public nursing hell.  Soon to be nursing infomatics hell.
Severus Snape
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Sun 8 Feb 2015
at 10:30
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Sounds like a rough schedule, but I still need a post from Claire in the Hogwarts Grounds. Claire is conscious... free... and standing over her Da.
Amanda Davis
 player, 1050 posts
 Pureblooded Ravenclaw
Sun 8 Feb 2015
at 19:35
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
While I agree that communication is definitely much more limited in the Magical World than it is in the muggle world, I think that you (Liu Bao-Yu) might be understating things a bit.  I’m fairly certain that floo calls are meant to be the equivalent of a standard telephone.  Admittedly they do have a significant disadvantage, since they are made via a fireplace and thus are a good bit more uncomfortable to use than a phone.  On the other hand, you can physically pass objects through a flue call (such as feeding toast to someone calling you) and you can also use the floo network to travel to someone's location.  I have a feeling that most wizards use the floo to ask if it would be alright to come by for a quick visit when they need to have an extended and time sensitive conversation with someone.

I’d say that the two-way mirrors introduced in Book 5 are probably a limited equivalent to cell phones with the disadvantage that they can only be used to call a person with the paired mirror (or possibly mirrors) and the advantage that you can see the person as you speak with them.  And of course, Hermione’s coins are the equivalent to a pager.  It’s possible that the protean charm was part of the creation of both of those devices.  And I do agree that mirror books seem quite likely and make frequent appearances in fan fiction.  And, of course, a tracking charm would basically act as the GPS function.

That said, I agree that actual cell phones would be incredibly challenging and likely something that would be a used to earn your mastery in enchanting.  But an enchanted object (like the coin) that you could use to alert your friends you were in trouble and that was paired with a tracking charm, might be more feasible for an older Hogwarts student.  Ultimately, none of it is likely to actually be happening in game any time soon.  Which doesn’t mean that Amanda can’t continue to try.

And, I do like the idea of having at least a few magical universities.  Who know, maybe Amanda will attend one someday.   It also sounds like there are a few new authors that I need to try out one of these days.

This message was last edited by the player at 19:36, Sun 08 Feb 2015.

Liu Bao-Yu
 player, 16 posts
 Chinese Witch from SWI
Sun 8 Feb 2015
at 20:05
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
It's just worth remembering the norm. The norm is that wizards use owl mail. That's the primary communication channel in the book. If it was easy to enchant better communications then owl mail wouldn't be the primary communication channel

Hermione was a bone fide genius and the coins were not 'normal'. The teachers and the death eaters were not looking for things like that

I don't have a strong axe to grind on this topic, other than a desire to stay in genre. Easy communications is such a game/world changer that I'm never a fan of it unless the genre demands it

As for tracking charms let us remember how much Voldemorte... Probably the most powerful wizard in the world... wanted to find Harry. Basically that sort of magic is very very hard. The counter example to this argument is The Trace of course, but I suspect that the ability to do those things is incredibly rare, or Harry would of been found very quickly. Dumbledore's gift to Ron was created by the other most powerful wizard in the world.. (Perhaps even modified by the elder wand), so perhaps doesn't weigh in on the 'how easy it is to track people' one way or the other.

It may well be that tracking charms are much easier with willing people. Certainly these sort of magics are cool, and probably get you a lot of respect in the Wizarding World. Even Dumbledore expressed envy for the Weasley's clock
Severus Snape
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Mon 9 Feb 2015
at 07:49
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Now, now: enchanting cellphones is against the law just like most significant muggle devices. Hush! Obviously, the enchanting would be prohibitively difficult and exspensive as well. Double hush.

Also, I will update tonight when I get home and move us into the final stretch of year three... FINALLY. Then the finals, summer, and year four!
Amanda Davis
 player, 1052 posts
 Pureblooded Ravenclaw
Mon 9 Feb 2015
at 15:26
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
I made a significant modification to my post on the Infirmary thread.
Liu Bao-Yu
 player, 17 posts
 Chinese Witch from SWI
Tue 10 Feb 2015
at 11:19
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Do we have an ETA for when year four starts? this isn't a chase up it's just getting an idea.
Severus Snape
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Tue 10 Feb 2015
at 11:48
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
The group at the infirmary is done; I need a cycle or three more more at the Coings home then the end of year three commences and the beginningnof year four. I have plans for thise of you coming ot American being involved in the summer down times, so it should be soon.
Severus Snape
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Fri 13 Feb 2015
at 05:08
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
KK, a biggish post coming today after work. Caire gave me a lot to work with in her post, so I might be able to wrap with it. We shall see...

Friday is my rough night, work-wise, so it might be Saturday instead. I will let y'all know how tired I am tonight.
Amanda Davis
 player, 1053 posts
 Pureblooded Ravenclaw
Fri 13 Feb 2015
at 17:02
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
I apologize if this seems like a stupid question, but I just wanted to make sure that my understanding of the situation is clear.

So far as our group, and the rest of the school remembers, the etiquette class was interrupted by the Whomping Willow exploding due to an experiment gone wrong and any lingering effects from our injuries were a result of that.  Correct?

Also, when you said that we didn’t remember anything to do with Maggie Parker’s roll in the Second Wizarding war, that means we’ve forgotten the conversation that we had with Nik on the train prior to Christmas.  Correct?  Have we forgotten about the Prophet editorial as well?
Severus Snape
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Fri 13 Feb 2015
at 17:11
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Yes, you are assuming correctly. Conversation and article forgotten about but the article still exists if they have a reason to read it again or see it... It's an awesome spell. Nik's report will also still exist but he has forgotten he wrote it unless he discovers and reads it again.

Edit: Editing the Students list for your year guys so it has 32 students I went back the first 5 pages of the diagon alley thread and resurrected some names... whew that was a long time ago and some names were a blast from the past. Will be posting a Time Change as soon as it is done being typed.

This message was last edited by the GM at 17:13, Fri 13 Feb 2015.

Athene Shoe
 player, 1003 posts
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Fri 13 Feb 2015
at 20:36
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Are Athene's electrical burns dealt with before the memory charm is used?

This message was last edited by the player at 22:32, Fri 13 Feb 2015.

Nikolous Androus
 player, 184 posts
Fri 13 Feb 2015
at 21:57
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
 Since Nick was not with the group during this short battle at the school, does he remember nothing of maggie parker or the prophet?. He would still have the notes he wrote about that research he did on the Lady Red and the war. Unless they came into his house and took his notes. I just want to pin it down.

 As to why that girl is ranting about Robert and Corrina, true she maybe upset with Robert and James but that has nothing to do with Corina.
Lady Red
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Fri 13 Feb 2015
at 22:30
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Not sure about the first part, but your second question is a matter of Snape mistyping Corina's name.  The first reference I can find to her is Corina Adams.  But her name has been misspelled several times.  And her mother's name is given as Moxie Beaglehole which is where there might be confusion as to her last name.

Hope that clears up your second question.
Severus Snape
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Fri 13 Feb 2015
at 23:16
Re: Still yet another O.O.C.
Robert, yes it is supposed to be his girlfriend chewing him out. I never remember her name! She doesn't like him and Claire being friends. As to the spell, it affects everyone who had memories of Maggie Parker or Cowlings, so it affects Nik as well. The spell makes people ignore all information regarding a certain topic, so he even forgets the paper he wrote unless he stumbles upon it an reads it. Then he would recall writing it but not why and get a slightly fuzzy headache upon reading it. Same goes for everyone concerninf Maggie Parker/Cowlings. You all know Claire's Mum for instance but if tou try to remeber her name it seems perpetually on the tip of your tongue as to what it is. ClIre will knkw her Mum's name but her past is that sort ofnslippery thing most parents' pasts are to their kids when the kids are young. Da Cowlings is the same for everyone.

Athene's electrical but s were already treated but no one took the dagger. You can have a hole in your memory.