Yeah, that's the school of thought I come from, Eso.  Keep true to the EU/NJO/Post-NJO values for the Mandos, and you'll have a happy me.

Thanks Kal! Your vote has been tallied..! ;)




I agree, there wasn't much around even back then. The books held more information, and even that was a glimmer here and there.

I'd accept any type of character that can fit in around RotJ's timeline. That's where I'd like to take off actually, but I might slide it a bit earlier or later. I'd also be starting the politics from scratch, so you might not see the same people that the Wikis are pointing to...

For example, I don't like the schism as they've played out between Pacifists regime that came to power at the end of these wars, led by Duchess Satine Kryze, while those who refused to give up their warrior ways were exiled to the moon Concordia.

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Time Line wise: https://starwars.fandom.com/wi..._of_galactic_history

5000 – c. 1000 BBY - fall of the Old Republic (chronology undefined)

• The Mandalorian-Jedi War occurs.
• The Mandalorian crusades occur as part of the Mandalorian-Jedi War.
• Mandalore is reduced to a barren wasteland in the final stages of the Mandalorian-Jedi War.

c. 1000 BBY - Pre-Dark Age

• The Mandalorian Jedi Tarre Vizsla creates the Darksaber.
• Collapse of the Galactic Republic; beginning of the Dark Age.
• The Jedi-Sith War ends with the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic victorious.
• By this point, Coruscant and the Jedi Temple are occupied by the Sith as part of the war.
• By this point, Mandalorians of House Vizsla have snuck into the Jedi Temple and liberated the Darksaber.

No Mando History from 1000BBY to 40BBY - 960 YEARS of Nothing


Pre-Clone Wars Era
(Which I'm likely going to DELETE from our Campaign)

• 40 BBY - Mandalorian Civil War; Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi are tasked to protect Satine Kryze, leader of the pacifist New Mandalorians.
• 36 BBY    Ahsoka Tano is born on Shili.
• 34 BBY    Crix Madine is born on Corellia.
• 32 BBY    By this point, Wilhuff Tarkin had become the Governor of Eriadu with backing from Sheev Palpatine, Senator of Naboo and secretly the Sith Lord Darth Sidious.
• Han is born on Corellia.
• Boba Fett is born, a clone of Jango Fett on Kamino.
• Nute Gunray ascends to the position of the Viceroy of the Trade Federation and appoints his allies to powerful positions within the Federation.
• Padmé Naberrie defeats the isolationist Queen of Naboo Sanandrassa in an election for the throne. Naberrie is coronated during the Day of Ascendancy; The monarch adopts Amidala as her regal name.
• Trade Federation blockades Naboo in protest of the Senate's decision to tax their much-used Free Trade Zones, escalating the trade disputes;
• Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum secretly dispatches Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi to serve as the ambassadors for scheduled negotiations with the Federation in hopes of resolving the Naboo Crisis.
• Invasion of Naboo; Darth Sidious further manipulates the Trade Federation leadership into instigating a peace crisis for the Republic with the deployment of military forces for the occupation of the harmonious world of Naboo.

More fluff Leading to the Clone Wars.. blah blah.. let's face it, Mando History is relatively forgotten and unexplored above, and I'm not keen about anything from Nute Gunray onward, include the following:

Clone Wars (22–19 BBY)

When the Clone Wars breaks out, the New Mandalorian Government declared that their world, the Outer Rim world Mandalore, would remain neutral.[6] Under the leadership of Duchess Satine Kryze, Mandalore became the leader of the Council of Neutral Systems.

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So to summarize, Mandalore was already a baren rock by the time the Mandalorian-Jedi war happened (let's say it was near 1000BBY ish), but it was worsened in the war to actually forcing Mando cities to be: Domed in order to be protected from the toxic atmosphere.

Then 960 years go by with NOTHING, and suddenly there's a New Mandalore Pacifist government that decides they're neutral in the clone wars?? And they have the clout to be the central leadership on the Council of Neutral Systems!? Ugh...

Seeing as there is 960 YEARS of nothing after the Jedi Mandalorian war, there's a HUGE vacuum to expand on. To say that the New Pacifists take control of Mandalore and put all the warriors on Concordia makes no sense to me.

Then the EMPIRE Happens... which is the era we all love, I think.

I'm tempted to insert our campaign somewhere in here, and delete the prequels from my databanks:

• 19 BBY - The Sith Empire is restored as the Republic is reorganized into the First Galactic Empire by Supreme Chancellor Palpatine—secretly the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Sidious—who declares himself Galactic Emperor and restrains the powers of the new Imperial Senate.
• the Shadow Collective Empire eventually takes over of Mandalore (how is irrelevant); the Mandalorian civil war erupts Anti-Empire Movement Starts.
• 0 BBY - Battle of Yavin - The 1st Death Star is destroyed by the Rebel Alliance.
• Galactic Civil War—after the Battle of Yavin (0–4 ABY) Which leads to:
• New Republic Era (5–34 ABY)

I believe that was in Legacy of the Force: Revelation

I'll get my hands on it.

I honestly don't really like anything to do with Satine, Sabine, Bo Katan, and the Darksaber bullshit.  No he who holds the Darksaber is not the defacto ruler of the Mandalorians.  That thing's dumb.

I'm completely fine wiping the slate clean of the Clone Wars stuff, however there does need to be *something* there to at least create a schism in the Mandos.

However, I will note that Mandalore was never really a barren rock - the worst it got was during the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion, wherein they bombarded it from orbit with multiple sizeable asteroids and such, basically turning the place into a bit of a wasteland.  Before that, it was still a relatively lush world, it had just been (or so they thought) completely mined of its beskar thanks to the Empire.  So, strip-mined, but not necessarily uninhabitable I personally think would be best.  A slaver colony, I'd assume closer to the end of the Empire's reign.

Also, my suggestion for a schism-catalyst: Jaster Mereel and his Suppercommando Codex.  In short: around 60BBY he tried to push for the Mandalorians to adopt a new code of honor based on the old ways as followed by the ori'ramikad, or Supercommandos, for whom he was also a Commander.  In simple terms, it drew from the best of the Resol'nare and the old warrior ways, and strived to make them a warrior culture worthy of respect.  Taking a quote:

"From the Codex,[3] Mereel preached that any Mandalorians who wished to fight[6] would no longer engage in the shameful activities of raiders and brigands.[1] Instead, Mandalorian warriors were to conduct themselves as highly-paid soldiers and honorable mercenaries.[6]"

The Deathwatch, on the other hand, wanted to go back to the Mando roots of raiders and conquerors, while the New Mandalorians wanted to go fully peaceful.  I think there was also a 'True Mandalorian' faction that abhorred any change, but they sided with Jaster Mereel.  Anyway, that's the Mandalorian Civil War, prior to the Clone Wars, and it resulted in something of a schism, and with Jango Fett more or less being named Mereel's successor (and later Boba Fett after him).

I say: take *that* Mando Civil War, have it cause your schism and result in Mereel's tenets forming the 'core', up until the Empire comes calling.  You could also have the other factions be present; the Death Watch wanting them to be conquerors, and maybe the New Mandalorians wanting to become a peaceful civilization.  Or, hell, given what the Empire does, *that* faction could have simply been wiped out - or if not wiped out, forced to adopt either main group's mentality, based on how they were affected by the slavery (ie: whether they were offworld or not).

Them's my thoughts!  From the ROTJ starting point, you can easily 'shift' either of those factions to suit your needs - the Death Watch becomes your radicals, Mereel's faction based on the Supercommandos becomes your 'good guys', and you can even have a True Neutral faction vying for the title of a peaceful Mandalore.  Somehow.  Also, no obligation to include the Fetts if you don't want to - Boba Fett basically just held the title in absentia since the Mandos never again became a single people until the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, so nobody cared enough to claim the title of Mandalore.  All of our game can exist without changing that, just by saying Boba doesn't give a shit.  Which is canon anyway, since he was basically forced into it by his daughter eventually, around when he trained Jaina (which is the awesomest arc, her being a Mary Sue be damned).

Thoughts?

Oh, and you're correct it's in the Legacy of the Force series.  In truth though, the Mandos have a pretty sizeable role in that entire series.

I think the Campaign should explore the actual Schism, instead of living the outcome of it.

THoughts?

BTW:

Deathwatch is the Empire (Maul) trying to control the Mandalorian, I'll be reworking this slightly, and technically NO ONE KNOWS about the Deathwatch unless you're in Deathwatch. It'll likely be a cancer when we're playing against, radicalizing our youth.


Supercommando Codex is pretty much where I think the ideals should lie. That's the inspiration for Oryk in my intro..!


New Mandalorians are the peaceful neutral tree huggers... that somehow manage to snub the Codex and need to be taken down by the Deathwatch.

They make no sense to me, and this is where the current SW schism lies according to wookiepedia. I want to delete this schism, and explore the Codex vs. Imperialistic influence on the Mandalorian Heart. Easy Money, or Hard Work and Honour, if that makes sense?


I'll have to rework my notes and pick out items from EU to sneak into it since I haven't read most of those books. I didn't like the Vong so I gave up on the series, and I absolutely hated the prequals, so I've been unhappy for a while..! LOL, but there is good stuff in EU that I can (and will) use if that's where we're going.

Well, what I mean is - that history can exist and you can continue to do your own schism as well.  The Empire coming in and ruining everyone's day kinda makes that easy.

Regardless, post-ROTJ as I alluded it makes sense that there'd only really be the two factions remaining, with the existence of the Deathwatch being kinda unknown.  Perhaps they were thought to have disbanded or been routed, since they scattered to the winds to be the scummy raiders they always wanted to be.  Only, they're doing as you say.

The Codex faction, with its roots in Jaster Mereel's Supercommandos, are your default or current Mandos, and the 'good' faction.  Codex vs Imperialistic, the latter of which is basically the 'lets go back to being conquerors' faction, yeah?

All sounds good to me there.  I only request that the Mando Civil War - which could have even been won by Mereel's faction (as it essentially was since that culture survived predominantly) remain, since for one it forms the basis of what you want.  The Supercommando Codex was basically penned by him as far as I can tell.  Forget the New Mandalorians, I agree that all makes no sense.

But I'll certainly be playing someone more loyal to the Codex's ways, that's for sure.

And yeah.  Vong was a mess, there's some good stuff in there but not much.  However, I did enjoy those last two series quite a lot; Legacy of the Force and the one that came after it, though the latter's largely a Jedi-focused plot.

EDIT:  Or not honestly, I'm getting a little too focused.  Whatever you decide to roll with if we go with this one, I'll have no trouble slotting my concept in, and I know you'll do it all justice!
This message was last edited by the player at 18:50, Tue 18 May 2021.

Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi were both excellent reads. It helped if you had read all the NJO stuff and the Killik crisis but it wasn't required to be able to enjoy it.

In those series they did a great job of making the Mando into space faring Vikings.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:58, Tue 18 May 2021.

Cool! I actually found the Revelation book, Eso! So, I'll start reading!!

Mirax: I'm saying that the Mando Civil (current cannon) war wasn't an actual war in my opinion, it was a coup. Regardless, I'm proposing that we re-live the Codex vs Covert Imperial influence (Deathwatch), which will lead us to an actual Mando Civil war.

This sounds more exciting to me (RP potential), than to actually say it happened outright and set our story after. I'd rather lead it up to the schism and then have the war.

Sure, there might be some tree huggers in the group, but I can't see millennia of Mando culture suddenly embracing pacifism. They're more likely to choose between two closely related ideas of warrior-like beliefs, than a pure opposition of it. That's why that New Mandalorians make no sense to me.

It's like they decided to replicate the Force concept (Dark and Light) unto Mando culture. WTF..! Akin to a Tyranosaurus Rex going vegan...
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:12, Tue 18 May 2021.

Once upon a time I read the entirety of the NJO and Legacy of the Force. Very enjoyable. I have forgotten many of the details, however.

I will point out that if we want to avoid messing with any of the canon-ish history, we have 960 years that haven't been written about at all that we could explore. And as it's pre-purge, any type of character would be a reasonable option.

That's... pretty much exactly what I was saying, heh.  Forget the New Mandalorians are even a thing and just go with the other two.  I wasn't trying to get the existing 60BBY thing in as the EU has it written since I agree the tree-huggers are silly at best.  I just like the history of Jaster Mereel and the Supercommandos, and it'd give you some background for the Codex faction.  Since, the Codex itself I think comes directly from Mereel anyway, he created it based on the old ways.

Anyway, as I said I have confidence in you, it'll all work out excellently no matter what you go with.

Folks, I think Mirax and myself are grappling about the Mandalorian Civil War (as Mereel winning it = Legend), it's now more about the New Mandalorians protecting their hold onto power, and winning (now Cannon). I think we're both on the same page.. We're just citing different things Cannon (me) vs Legend (Mirax).

check: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mandalorian_Civil_War (check the two tabs), and see why I'm groaning, and why I think Mirax thinks I lost my mind. LOL





For the record, I'm proposing we set it in Legend, right before Mereel's time.

Clearly I didn't look too closely at the page, although I wasn't even looking at that one but rather just going off of some info from the Codex's page.  I wasn't aware that Disney Canon had altered the entire thing rather than tacking on to the end.  Goes to show I shouldn't make such assumptions, heh.

So I'm in agreement, and equally groaning, hah.  Though in my defense, the mentions of ROTJ also kinda threw me off as I was working under the assumption you wanted it to take place in a post-Empire world, which would put that whole civil war 40-60 years in the past.

Glad to have it cleared up~

New Hope to RotJ is what I know the most about, which is the only reason I put everything there by default (and then slide before or after that) based on fact finding (or my ire at what I find).

To be fair, I stated RotJ before exploring the slippery slope that is Wookiepedia cannon fodder.

That's fair, heh.  Guess it mostly is a question of whether you want it to be before/after.  Could go with the Jaster Mereel conflict as you say, involving him directly or not at all.  Could erase all that canon BS with the Mandos and such, and place it immediately post-ROTJ, in the wake of Imperial Occupation.

Whatever the case, I don't see a need to try to give yourself a headache worrying about those slippery slopes.

Aaaanyway, sorry for side-tracking everything!

I think it was a good exercise, Mirax..! So no worries..!

Besides, I want the players to provide their opinion since they're the ones I'd be hosting this for, and I don't want to disappoint anyone. Hence why I got my hands on Revelations instead of Cannon material. ;D

Now, I need a stiff drink. LOL

There's a lot here to catch up on. I'll try to do so in a bit. My wife had an emergency C-section on Sunday, and it's been a ride ever since. The kiddo is in the NICU but doing well, and I think I've had about 12 hours sleep cumulative since then. I'll catch up as I can, but I'm very interested in the new game.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:50, Wed 19 May 2021.

Holy moly, Tervax! Congrats to you and your wife!

Bébé #1, or are you two veterans by now? Sending healing to your wife, and the angel of sleep for the wee one and your sanity.

Glad to hear the kiddo is doing well, and congratulations!

Congratulations! I hope your wife has a speedy recovery. I understand how stressful having a baby in the NICU can by. My second spent some time there when he was born.
How far along was your wife?

I'll vote for the fourth option, but I don't think it matters too much. The game idea seems pretty well geared in a general direction already, which is all good.

Might be a little slow, but if anyone can point me in the right direction for online pdf's or the likes, I'd appreciate the swift one.

Alright! Thanks for your vote Tehrk!

It looks like it's dealer's choice, with a heavy emphasis on a future Mando game! What I propose since the Mando game isn't quite ready yet is, either we:

1. wrap up Episode 2. We're practically at the boss fight, and we're about to have a lot of answers (every gets to play soon); or
   
2. wait for me to finish drafting / researching (month), and start the RTJ process in a few weeks (we hold off playing as I draft something); or
   
3. a blend of 1 & 2, and we play now, finishing E2 and work on RTJs (in the next few weeks)

Would also appreciate everyone's availability to post, please.

1-2 Posts every other week; Low
1-2 Posts a week; Medium
2-3 posts a week; Fast
4-5 posts a week; Very Fast
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:36, Thu 20 May 2021.

check out: http://www.theberserker.net/be...on_Core_Rulebook.pdf

I would happily wrap up episode 2. If nothing else it will help us refresh ourselves on all the rules.

As for posting rate I can post every week day.

I'm happy to roll with the party on this one!  Whatever the majority's happy with, I'll join in.  Finishing Episode 2 would be a good refresher, although I make no promises as to how well I catch up, heh.  Need to sort out my PDFs for one.

Fortunately, past me was smart enough to include which book certain powers/talents were located in, so that will be helpful.

Posting rate, I can manage once a day, barring exceptions.

Hi all. To answer questions:

Wife is semi-mobile. The normal painkillers lower her seizure threshold, so it's been difficult to find pain management that works. She was 34 weeks, so not super early but earlier than the docs wanted. She just got the feeding tube out today which has been nice.

As for posting, I usually check a couple of times a day, and can post every couple of days usually. I've got time before a new game starts so a month or so is perfect. And having a newer game will be great for when I'm deployed later this year.