RTJ, Rules, and Policies.   Posted by Power of the Darkside.Group: 0
Power of the Darkside
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Tue 14 Dec 2010
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RTJ, Rules, and Policies
This is a Star Wars Saga Edition Game.

Time Line: Set during an Alternate Timeline set roughly 35 years after what would have been Palpatine's Ascention as Supreme Chancellor.

Levels: Characters should start at level 6. There are currently no openings, but thank you for checking.


All of the above books are allowed. However, some restrictions might apply when using the Legacy of the Force. Also, I will NOT be allowing droid characters. "We don't allow their kind in here..."

I will be applying the rules from the SWSE Errata and:

RPoL's Mature Games Policy
Mature Policy: /help/?t=faqs&page=maturepolicy
Adult & Mature Games FAQ: /help/?t=faqs&page=adultfaq

If interested:

Please note that you must provide the following information in your RTJ, otherwise it will be turned down:

Character Name:
Character Race:
Character Concept:
Character Destiny:

Character Background: (a paragraph - add here possible RP motivations)

Character Development Guidelines: Aside from your destiny choice, there are 3 questions I’d like each player to answer and get to me. These questions are very important character development items that will affect the game and your character’s journey in the galaxy.

1) Why is your character working for the Republic? Maybe you’re a jedi devoted to your order. Maybe you’re a loyal government agent who has upheld the Republic in battle, or in the senate chambers. Maybe you believe in democracy and the power of a just government. Maybe you’re simply a mercenary – who knows that the Republic pays well.  Bottom line, you all must have worked for Republic interest in the past (out of duty, or credits), and must have a motivation for doing so again. What is it?

2) What do you unconditionally love? Even the most vile and evil characters have something they would sacrifice their lives to protect – or something you would never allow to come to harm. It could be a specific individual, such as a lover, or family member, or a best friend. It could be a home planet, or a small village that took you in when no one else would. Chewbacca has devoted himself in this manner to Han-Solo.

3) What do you unconditionally hate or fear? Even the most virtuous and noble character at peace with themselves and the galaxy harbors a specific fear, hate, or prejudice against something. It could be an individual, such as a Separatist general that slaughtered your family and village when you were young. It could be a group of beings, or a planet; such as Mandalorians (maybe they hurt you in the past, and you thusly hate all of them), or Twi’Leks (perhaps your upbringing gave you a prejudice against this race). Either way, there must be something or someone that you will not trust, or will simply try to harm outright when given the chance.

CONFIRMATION: (in writing) that you understand RPoL's Policy on Mature and Adult Content, and that you agree to abide by the policies. And that you have read my blurb on Mature Content.

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Power of the Darkside
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Thu 6 Jan 2011
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Re: RTJ, Rules, and Policies
RULES FOR THE COMMON OOC THREAD (The Out of Game Discussion Thread)



   to compare gaming experiences. It will ruin things for the others.

3) 1 & 2 aside, you may discuss any topic you wish, but keep it polite. There
   will be no tolerance for any kind of bickering / feud over the OOC.

4) If a mission has ended, it will be made public and everyone will be able to
   read its content. Once a thread is public, you can actively discuss the
   thread among each other.

The Rules are set because we're obviously dealing with two different teams. This is the first time I host a common game with multiple teams, and I do not want people to have their experience spoiled over the OOC if they aren't at the same place as you are in the storyline.

Obviously, the likelyhood of the storylines being in sync is rather low (next to nil), but I'd rather not take chances, so please keep these in mind when you post in the common thread.


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Power of the Darkside
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Mon 13 Jun 2011
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Re: RTJ, Rules, and Policies

Roll your own dice, or your actions will automatically fail..!

1) Force Unleashed Feats and Force Powers

Considering that this is mainly an RP based game that is being played over PBM, it strikes me that a way to augment everyone's potential in cutting through potentially lengthy combat sequences is probably desirable. Because of this, I have decided to make the Force Unleashed feats more accessible and worth using more often.

If you choose to invest in the Force Unleashed Feat, the following rules will apply:

A) The use of a destiny point is no longer necessary to use Force Unleashed Powers, rather, you will need to expend two force points to activate these powers.

B) The imbalance caused by rule A is being offset by an immediate drop of two levels on the condition track which can only be regained through a full 8 hours uninterrupted sleep.

C) Because said Unleashed feats add a fair amount of 'Kick Ass' to your attacks and you are using the Force to augment said 'Kick Ass', I will, at my discretion assign double the Darkside points if I feel that your use of the Unleashed Power is less than noble.

Given the changes in the rules above, I need to precise the following:

D) You may lower your DS Score once per level.

E) A player may skirt the Dark Side and retain his character, but I will be holding you to the disadvantages and penalties that this would normally cause. I will post these later for completion.


2) Grappling 101

Grappling seems to involve a lot of different rules: grab, grapple, pin, trip, crush, throw, opposed grapple checks, and different rules on escaping.  For Yoda's sake, how does it all work!?

It’s actually simpler than it looks. There are only three "states":
- grabbed
- grappled
- pinned
All the other rules (pin, trip, grab attack, crush, throw, opposed grapple check, and escape) are just different ways of moving between these three states.

Untrained attackers can only grab. Trained attackers (those who have either the Pin or Trip feat) can improve their grabs into an improved hold called a grapple. Grapples are harder to escape from, and also allow you to immobilize your enemy, knock them prone, and even cause damage.

Grabbing an Enemy
How do you grab an enemy?  Make an unarmed melee attack roll, as a standard action. If successful, the enemy is grabbed. An untrained attacker (one without the Pin or Trip feats) suffers a -5 penalty on the melee attack roll. A trained attacker (one who has either the Pin or Trip feat) suffers no penalty, AND can immediately try to improve his grab into a grapple, as part of the same standard action.

Being grabbed isn't very fun.  A grabbed enemy cannot move from his square, and also suffers a -2 penalty on attack rolls unless he's using a natural weapon or a light weapon. The target remains grabbed until he escapes or the attacker lets go, or until the attacker improves the grab into a grapple.

Grappling an Enemy
When a trained attacker (one who has the Pin or Trip feats) makes a successful grab attack, he can immediately try to improve his grab into a grapple as part of the same standard action. Once a trained attacker has grabbed the enemy, both fighters immediately make an opposed grapple check. If the attacker's check result equals or exceeds the defender's result, the defender becomes grappled.

The effects of being grappled are exactly the same as the grabbed state: the target cannot move from his square, and also suffers a -2 penalty on attack rolls unless he's using a natural weapon or a light weapon. However , escape from grappled is much more difficult, and the attacker additionally gets the benefit of his chosen grappling style: Pin (possibly including Crush), Trip (possibly including Throw), or a close-range hit with a light weapon. The target remains grappled until he escapes or the attacker lets go, or until the attacker knocks him prone with the Trip feat.

Pinning an Enemy
A successful grapple can become a pin, if the attacker is using the Pin feat, and wins the opposed grapple check. (Note that any pinned target will always be grappled as well, since the attacker made a successful opposed grapple check to perform the pin.)

Being pinned STINKS.  A pinned target cannot move or take any actions, and also loses his Dexterity bonus to Reflex Defense. The target remains pinned for one round, until the attacker's next turn. In each subsequent round, the attacker can try to maintain the Pin by making another opposed grapple check. If the attacker doesn't maintain the Pin, the target ceases being pinned but is still grappled.

So just how does the defender escape from a grab? From a grapple? From a pin?

Escaping from the grabbed state is easy: as a standard action, the defender can break free from a number of grabs equal to his level. No roll is required; success is automatic.

Escaping from a grappled state is harder: as a standard action during his turn, the defender must make an Acrobatics check, with a DC equal to the attacker's last opposed grapple check result.  (As an unofficial house-rule, many GMs will allow the defender to make an Acrobatics check OR grapple check on their turn to escape a grapple.)

You can escape from being pinned only by winning the opposed grapple check during the attacker's turn. If the attacker fails to maintain his pin, the hold is reduced to a grapple.

The attacker can also perform grabs and grapples from a distance by using a net. If grabbed or grappled in a net, escape is a full-round action requiring a DC 15 Acrobatics check or a DC 20 Strength check.

Common Grappling Questions:
- So, I grab my enemy, then make my opposed grapple check to try and trip him, or pin him.  If the defender wins the opposed grapple check, I get that he's not tripped or pinned, but does that mean he also escapes from the grab or the grapple?  Nope. When the defender wins the opposed grapple check, that only means that the attack has failed: the attacker doesn’t get to Pin, Trip, or hit with a natural or light weapon. However the defender is still either grabbed or grappled, exactly as before.

- Okay, so I get that if I have the Pin or Trip feat, I can initiatiate grapple, but not actually pin or trip the target if I win.  I can attack with a light or natural weapon, too.  Cool!  But when I make an opposed grapple check to strike that weapon, do I have to make an attack roll with the weapon, too?  No. There are only three die rolls made:  1) A melee attack roll to grab (if the target wasn’t already grabbed, grappled, or pinned).  2) An opposed grapple check.  3) Damage dice for the weapon.

- Okay, when I'm being grabbed or grappled, can I still fight?  Yes. (As long as you're not Pinned... see below).  However, you cannot move from your square, and you suffer a -2 penalty on attack rolls unless using a natural weapon or a light weapon.

Common Pin Questions:
- When trying to maintain a Pin, does the attacker have to roll both the melee attack roll and the opposed grapple check, each round?  Nope. A melee attack roll is only used to initiate a grab. If the target is already grabbed, grappled, or pinned, the attacker can proceed directly to the opposed grapple check.

- So, a pinned defender loses his Dexterity bonus to Reflex Defense. Does the attacker lose his Dexterity bonus, too?  No. The attacker has more freedom of movement than the defender does.

- Wait a minute, while pinned, can I still... fight with a light weapon? Use a Force Power? Use Acrobatics to escape? Make a Strength check to break free? Use Adept Negotiator? Enter a Serenity trance? Block and Deflect? Cut my way out with a lightsaber? ANYTHING?  Nope.  Nothing. While pinned, the defender "can't move or take any actions." You're hosed until you escape.  And the only way to escape from a Pin is by winning the opposed grapple check on the attacker's turn. Until then, you cannot do anything at all.

A lot of people tend to see this better "in action", so here's some examples just for you:

Example 1:  Say that Gorak has the Pin feat, while Dack is the poor fellow who's getting his arm twisted.

Round 1 - Gorak wants to pin Dack:
- He makes an unarmed attack roll and succeeds (Dack is now grabbed).
- He makes an opposed grapple check and succeeds.
- Dack is now grappled, and also pinned for one round.
- Dack gets no actions for this round because he's pinned.

Round 2 - Gorak wants to maintain the pin:
- He tries an opposed grapple check to maintain his pin for another round, but fails.
- Dack is no longer pinned, but he is still grappled. Since Dack isn't pinned anymore, he can act. He tries to escape the grapple on his turn:
- He makes an Acrobatics check and succeeds.
- Gorak is no longer grappling Dack; he has escaped.

Round 3 - Gorak wants to grapple again, but instead of attempting a Pin this time, he just wants to stab Dack with a vibrodagger:
- He makes an unarmed attack roll and succeeds.
- He make an opposed grapple check and succeeds.
- Dack is grappled again, and also takes damage from the dagger.

On Dack's turn, he can attack Gorak (at a -2 penalty, since he's grappled) or he can attempt escape again with another Acrobatics roll.

Example 2:  Straight from the archives and Episode 93 of the Order 66 Podcast, let's see how a good grappler can DESTROY a trained Jedi.  Let's get into some serious detail, adding realistic round-by-round combat.  Say that Martok the Destroyer (a Togorian with an 18 Str, Martial Arts I and II, Expert Grappler, Pin, Crush, and Rancor Crush) faces off against Master Shoran (a Togruta with Block and Deflect, Skill Focus [Use the Force], and 4 Force Trainings - giving him bevy of nasty force powers).

Round 1 - Martok wants to pin Shoran:
- He makes an unarmed attack roll and gets a 23, beating Shoran's Reflex Defense.
- Shoran reacts, using Block, and gets a 27, negating Martok's grab attempt.
- Martok's standard action is now wasted, and he angrily withdraws.
- On Shoran's turn, he uses Force Slam, and hits Martok with it hard!  Ouch!  The togorian is now prone, damaged, and very angry.

Round 2 - Martok wants to pin Shoran again:
- He spends a move action to stand, and charges Shoran, making an unarmed attack.
- He makes an unarmed attack roll, and (with his charge bonus) gets a 24, beating Shoran's Reflex Defense.  But Martok remembers the last round, and spends a force point to add to his attack roll - bringing the total to 28.
- Shoran reacts, using Block, but doesn't roll as well (only a 24).  Shoran's player declares he's going to use a Force Point to add to his roll, but the GM reminds him, "You can't spend Force Points when it's not your turn".  Shoran's player mentaly kicks himself for not taking Force Readiness.   :wink:
- Martok, having successfully grabbed his foe, attempts to turn it into a grapple immediately, rolling a grapple check of 30.  Shoran's opposed grapple check is only a 20.
- Shoran is now pinned, takes 10 points of damage and moves -1 step down the condition track (thanks to Crush and Rancor Crush), and cannot take any actions on his turn.

Round 3 - Martok maintains his pin:
- Martok rolls another grapple check to maintain his pin, and gets a 29.  Shoran's opposed check is only a 21.
- Shoran remains pinned, can't take any actions on his turn, takes another 11 points of damage, and moves another -1 step down the condition track.

Round 4 - Martok maintains his pin:
- Martok rolls another grapple check to maintain his pin, and gets a 31.  Shoran's opposed check is only a 18.
- Shoran remains pinned, can't take any actions on his turn, takes another 9 points of damage, and moves another -1 step down the condition track (he's now at a -5 on the condition track).

Round 5 - Martok maintains his pin:
- Martok rolls another grapple check to maintain his pin, and gets a 27.  Shoran's opposed check is only a 15 (gotta love that condition track penalty).
- Shoran remains pinned, and can't take any actions on his turn.  Martok rolls very high on his damage, dealing 17 points!  This actually just beats Shoran's modified Damage Threshold (thanks to the condition track penalty) and moves him -2 steps down the condition track.
- Shoran is now unconscious, having been "choked out" by the togorian.

Round 6 - Martok's victory:
- Martok screams in rage and pride over the fallen jedi as a free action.
- As a full-round action, Martok performs a coup de grace, snapping his foe's neck with ease!
- Remember, he says... no one messes with Martok the Destroyer!

This message was last edited by the GM at 12:03, Sat 16 July 2011.

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Re: RTJ, Rules, and Policies
3) The Rules for a HoloNet Battle:
These quick house-rules for computer combat are to be used when two users are competing on the HoloNet. Maybe you’re trying to slice into an imperial mainframe, and the network admin has spied you - and is attempting to lock you out or trace your signal! Maybe the savvy pirate vessel that has you cornered near the Kessel Run has a slicer on board who is trying to interface with your ship’s computer from afar, and shut your ship down… but YOU want to stop him.

The basis for this is the dogfighting rules. Think of it just like a dogfight over the holonet. Now, just like a dogfight, multiple users can also enter into a HoloNet Battle. While engaged in a HoloNet battle, you cannot perform any other action on the computer, until you have left the battle (or disabled your foe).

Entering such a battle is a standard action that requires a Use Computer check opposed by the other user’s check. Both users must be accessing the same system from a sufficiently powerful computer – either by accessing the system in question directly (such as a network admin sitting at a direct terminal), or by interfacing with the system remotely using a Portable Computer. The initiating user must be aware of the target's presence in the system. Leaving a HoloNet Battle also requires a successful Use Computer check, opposed by the other user(s).

Why to get into a HoloNet Battle? To stop another user from issueing commands within the system - or to lock them out (by disabling their point of access). Things you can do after entering into (or being caught in) a HoloNet Battle:

Issue Routine Command: Any attempts to issue a routine command to the system (such as “shut down” or “stop all the garbage mashers on the detention level”) must get by the opposing user. When in a HoloNet Battle, you need to beat the opposing user with Use Computer check – if successful, your same check is compared to the computer’s Will Defense to Issue a Routine Command.

Slice the User: You can attack the opposing user by affecting his electronic point of access. You make an opposed Use Computer check to corrupt his terminal’s sub-routines, attempt to transmit a virus, or short-out it’s control nodes. If you succeed in this attack, your opponent’s terminal moves one step down the condition track. The terminal’s condition track penalties apply to it’s user’s Use Computer checks. Should it reach the bottom of the condition track, the terminal (or Personal Computer) becomes disabled, until undergoing an application of the Repair skill.

Re-organize Sub-routines: by spending three swift actions, you can re-organize corrupted files and delete viral code, moving your Portable Computer or terminal +1 step up the CT, similar to the Recover Action.

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Re: RTJ, Rules, and Policies
Reminder about Force Points and Destiny Points

Force Points:

Are regenerated after each level up. You can spend them to:

1) increase your attack by 1d6 (or more at higher levels)
2) increase your skill check by 1d6 (or more at higher levels)
3) used in Force Powers

Destiny Points:

You get 1 Destiny point for each time you level up. In other words, use them sparingly for when it counts...

You can use a Destiny Point:

1) to get a natural 20, without rolling the dice (in combat).
2) to nullify a hit that was scored against you
3) to act out of turn
4) take the damage that would otherwise harm someone else
5) increase the effects of some force powers / secrets.
6) immediately gain 3 extra force points