Based on my ideas for them and how I try and play them

Melia is Chaotic Good
Sarah is Lawful Good
Hawkeye is Neutral Good

  I dunno how to palce  Shadow..all my charcters i ever  play are Chaotic  good..but..cross the  lives  now and then " what ever it takes to get the job  done"..he is  definatly built along the lines of  'Punisher'

 one of the guys  ( who got frightened  enough  by this , he  suggested  i leave his game )..didn't agree with   my character's  actions..i  explained to him ( in OOC ..back in the Yahoo days )..what my character's   motives were..

 he  friended me on face book  and would send some of those goofy  " which hero are you"

 I did it and it came out to 'Punisher'..i said, yeah?  that's about right...

 i was  unfriended and   my character  'died' in his game.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:20, Tue 25 Aug 2020.

Most of the time when I make characters if it's from a concept they adopt the generalized alignment of the concept. (AKA Hawkeye being based of Hawkeye from MASH where realistically I see him as neutral good, following the rules and laws when necessary, and subverting them when they aren't "good".  Sarah is based off Honor Harrington who while she does what it takes, cares a lot about the rule of law and being good within the rule of law.)

For characters without a general concept I'm building around in games, the alignment is something I consider last and it is informed by the characters background/story, and in turn it informs how they interact with the world and how what drives them manifests.

much like real people, characters  are grown from what has happened to them, and what they see goign on..

 for NPCs? Abby  comign from Money, wanted to maintain that through her career, so  she  slid into the Hole that was the EDT.

 Beth, growing up and struggling  with a Hoker for a Mom and a  tech  guy for a dad.. was left to her own devices alot... she had the good luck to  'fall in' with Shadow and Roles... who knows if she would have  went after  the  darker side?

Zob leans more towards a lawful evil but not always depends on the situation.

Well that is perfect for Lizzy, yes she has always been emotional but when she first came aboard she was closer to Lawful good, with some neutral tendencies. With everything that has happened to her in a very short period of time she is definitely Chaotic good now she will do what needs to be done to win this war no matter what, she proved that to herself watching her Father's execution.

Gava :  Chaotic Amoral to Chaotic Spastic both with good tendencies.

Well Harry has long since made it clear that she doesn't really care about the war and only joined the ESN as a way of escaping her problems on earth. Granted the main reason she chose the ESN over the EDT or a merc outfit (other than the fact that she found their recruitment office first) was her now rapidly crumbling dream of becoming a good person.

Why not call a spade a spade Jug.  Your a Kinder that hunts instead of steals

Hey boss.  I need to flesh out the last group of Defense gunners and I'll be two shy of a full crew.  I was thinking about leaving those spots open in case we find some stemers or other people who might need a job here. What do you think?

I actually really don't like the D&D alignment system...I feel like it's an over-generalization.  I tend to play character who actually have a pretty strong and consistent adherence to a moral code...it's just that they may be the only one who sees much in it that's moral.  I mean, back in the day when I did play D&D on a regular basis (thirty-something years ago), I was the guy who convinced my GM that my assassin character could, in fact, be Neutral Good, if he was very selective about which contracts he took...

So, yeah...no idea where I'd file Roy in that system.  Definitely not Lawful Good...maybe Neutral Good, but with occasional forays into Lawful or Chaotic territory.

For D&D it’s great, it just doesn’t apply to this game however.  Lawful for instance, who’s laws? The laws of different species contradict each other.

Eh...in my mind, that same argument could be made in D&D.  I mean, that Paladin cruising through an Orc village and laying waste is probably neither Lawful nor Good, from the Orcs' perspective...

Yep yep... i have that  head butting with  people who have legal Slavery in thier towns ect...My guys  always fight against  Slavery, so in those  towns they are  The 'wrong people'.

 even to slaves  who became trustees, or 'loyal', they might be seen as , messing up a good thing.

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 Garrat,  Your ship  ship will be along the lines of  the Ironwood, where you can pick up NPCs  how you wish? Just remember Some races   will awlays  be viewed with a distrustful eye , and..yes, i will may rolls now  and then to see if any of the , enemy races  'turn bad".

 for the most part,Its Like Sarah with the Ironwood. you have to RP  the runnign of the ship.

I kinda expected that.  Lol, talking about alignment....First, Are Hyrian, and Ape people Capable of turning  “bad”?  Second, does the treatment of my crew members change the likelihood or difficulty of the roll?  Third, with the Naragrans on board, I have it in my contract to be able to request two random mind readings a day, more in the case of an emergency.  (I wanted to have access to their abilities without feeling I was using them on whim, or taking their value for granted.)  Is this a good way to keep the honest side of my Largans in control?

I will say running a fleet over running a ship is much more difficult, but in a way you become kind of a minor DM/Story teller in the world. I had/have a lot of ideas for Sarah for stories, conflicts, contact with Bura and other such things that should be happening co-currently but even then as fleet Commodore I tend to run her a bit more as a ship Captain because the RP is a little simpler. Realistically, if I had more time in my life I'd likely devote more effort to filling out the Burian aspect of things with "elsewhere" posts in the Bura threads and the like telling Sarah's story as a flag officer in-charge of her own fleet.

Palladium Books, who produced a quite good fantasy RPG at one time, had an interesting 'alignment' system which characterised each individual by likely behaviour.

A good pricipled character, for example, would:

1. Always keep his word.
2. Avoid lies.
3. Never kill or attack an unarmed foe.
4. Never harm an innocent.
5. Never torture for any reason.
6. Never kill for pleasure.
7. Always help others.
8. Work well in a group.
9. Respect authority, law, self-discipline and honor.
10. Never betray a friend.
11. Never break the law unless conditions are desperate. This means no
breaking and entry, theft, torture, unprovoked assaults, etc.

A miscreant evil one would:

1. Not necessarily keep his word to anyone.
2. Lie and cheat anyone; good or evil.
3. Most definitely attack an unarmed foe (those are the best kind).
4. Use or harm an innocent.
5. Use torture for extracting information and pleasure.
6. May kill for sheer pleasure.
7. Feels no compulsion to help without some sort of tangible reward.
8. Work with others if it will help him attain his personal goal.
9. Kill an unarmed foe as readily as he would a potential threat or competitor.
10. Has no deference to laws or authority, but will work within the law
if he must.
11. Will betray a friend if it serves his needs.

And there were a whole load more.

 I believe it is hard to completely put someone in one alignment at ALL times, we are human (mostly lol) I believe you have a base belief/ alignment but that all changes depending on the situations they are put in. Like before Lizzy got to the Hermes she would not condone torture and later after finding out what her Father really did wanted to torture him really bad. It all depends how the person reacts to the situations they are put in. In stories there are some VERY good people who have done awful things FOR THE GREATER GOOD, but are still good people in their heart.

    I have recently been enjoying "Assassin's Creed: Odyssey".  In there, the issue of slavery in the Greek world is looked from different directions.  In one instance a slave is concerned that his master is going to release him which would force him to make his own living.  He asks your character to lie to his master saying he was involved in a theft so he won't be released.  If you lie, the master casts him out immediately not wanting to have an untrustworthy soul under his roof.
    In another case, a man who is technically a slave does more out of loyalty for his people and his country than most free men ever think of doing.  His master frees him saying that he had earned it and more long ago.  Yet again, without the direction of someone in charge the erstwhile slave, needs to fall back on his convictions and help from the very man to whom he was a slave to seek his own direction and ability.

    One begins to examine the definition of slavery in relationship to what it means.  Is legal ownership limited to slavery? We end up tied to jobs, in the old days apprenticeships were contracts that could not be exited by the signee. The difference between rights granted or taken away by law, and rights granted or taken away by ethics [or lack there of] comes down to who you can go to to help you achieve those rights or deny them to another.

   Robert E Heinlein explores this in his book Citizen of the Galaxy in which his protagonist goes from Being a slave to being the owner of a galactic corporation in stages, along the way he seems to be less free in some ways than when he started.

   Even in this fictional realm, the Largans engineers on my ship, are no longer bound by the oppression that marks their jobs in the empire.  My character sees them feed, sheltered, and given a purpose as well as much better materials to do the things they have always wanted to do with a ship that they still have been allowed a stake in.  They are dependent on Garrat like he was their master, yet they are freer than they have ever been.  Is a race is evil by nature, wouldn't it be evil to it's own citizens and fall apart?  Do they then become slaves to their own nature?
   It is my belief that ultimate selfishness when exorcised with intelligence and foresight would result in one utilizing ones powers to create a positive environment for those around them on order to enforce a positive and reliable environment for ones own self.  Hurt creates an unsustainable sense of power that eventually collapses on its self.  There is only ruin on the horizon.

In reply to Mila (msg # 944):

Yeah, I played in so.e Palladium campaigns for several years back in college.  I like their alignment system better because it isn't defined by abstract concepts like Law and Chaos or Good and Evil...it's defined, in large measure, by character behavior.  That makes much more sense to me.

But, ultimately, my favorite gaming systems just didn't bother with it.  Any 'alignment' a character might have was based on the character's reputation and how other PCs and NPCs interpret the character's actions.

Yes, I prefer to just watch a character's behaviour to see what they are like. Actions have consequences in my games, too. Go around being a murderhobo and the law or outraged victims will catch up with you :)

Waking up later then usual, neat to see we got another touchdown.

I should go back and tally Melia's yards and TDs the rate she's going even with the fumbles she's kinda racking them up....

wow?..looking  at Mila's lists, I think Shadow might be a bad guy!

he does..kIll unarmed  bad folks...he  has tortured more then his fair share  traitors..he sorta likes killing bad  guys...don't respect scum balls who, who ( he thinks)  shouldn't have the job..and?  Laws  don't matter to him, if they  are in the way of getting things  done.

 the 'slave thing" was always used  by bad  guys   who said? " what will they do if i don't take care of them?"

 granted i am sure  there were people  who 'were nice"..but not having freedom is kinda bad thing!

 for Shadow and a couple other   NPCs... there are alot more people happy , because he's around, then there are if he wouldn't have been!

Ummm I think that last post in Everest thread should be in the events thread?