OOC part 2: the revenge...   Posted by Mr. Main.Group: 0
Mr. Main
 GM, 1233 posts
Mon 18 Jul 2016
at 22:14
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
for this specific riddle the group can make a total of three rolls. you cannot assist each other with these rolls.
Aden Bero
 player, 1070 posts
 HP 51/51
 Flame Juggler
Mon 18 Jul 2016
at 23:24
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
I have a +2 to intelligence.

Whoever has highest intelligence mod and highest wisdom mod should make those rolls.
Drazgar In'lyndl
 player, 272 posts
Mon 18 Jul 2016
at 23:27
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
In reply to Aden Bero (msg # 753):

Int +3, wins +2
Drazgar In'lyndl
 player, 273 posts
Tue 19 Jul 2016
at 03:02
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
In reply to Drazgar In'lyndl (msg # 754):

Urea Major?
Yanyeeku
 player, 251 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Tue 19 Jul 2016
at 05:28
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Int +2. Wis +0. But I do add half my level to knowledge checks, and don't need to be trained to use them freely. That said my Nature is only +8.
Morien
 player, 634 posts
 The Frost Lord
 Cometh
Tue 19 Jul 2016
at 06:52
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
+2 int, +1 wis here

something Safia said IC gave me an interesting thought. If this world is similar to Earth, then the constellations might be similar... and some of them are animals.
Safia
 player, 196 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Tue 19 Jul 2016
at 13:01
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...

That's why I said it IC. :) ...but still... how to make the rest of the riddle fit?

I'm feeling very much like Pooh bear, when he says. "Think, think..."

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Dustil Kraye
 player, 882 posts
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 Hey, is that beer??
Tue 19 Jul 2016
at 18:11
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Death of millions...OH! could it refer to stars? I mean, it takes them millions of years to "die" (which could be a twist on death of millions) or maybe how long in years it takes the light to reach us (or is that thousands of years)? From the depths I crawl ashore....if it's being poetic...the depths of space?

Int 10, Wis 17
Aden Bero
 player, 1071 posts
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Wed 20 Jul 2016
at 00:07
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
So Drazgar please make an intelligence check.  Dustil please make a wisdom check.
Drazgar In'lyndl
 player, 274 posts
Wed 20 Jul 2016
at 00:11
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
In reply to Aden Bero (msg # 760):

Of course. And I roll horribly.
(NAT 6 for 9)
Dustil Kraye
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Wed 20 Jul 2016
at 00:29
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
18:29, Today: Dustil Kraye rolled 22 using 1d20+3.  Wisdom check.
Yanyeeku
 player, 252 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Wed 27 Jul 2016
at 13:56
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Okay I will admit I'm at a loss at this stage. After my performance last riddle, I have truly crashed and burned. Very depressing.

So it's a literal death of millions (allegedly), involves crawling from the depths and is used for guidance in the night sky.

Let's try to break it down a bit. The most specific part of this is the night sky.

Elements in the night sky:
Stars
Planets
The moon

If we refer to stuff we might see while looking at said sky:
Nocturnal flying animals
Nocturnal flying insects

Let's break it down further. What would crawl out of the depths of the ocean? Metaphorically or literally.
The moon
Some could argue that planets and stars would also 'crawl' out, though we don't really get a star-rise or a planet-rise, only a moonrise or a sunrise.

Which leads us to the Moon being responsible for the death of millions.
Now there could be an argument for this being the tides itself. Tidal shifts can actually lead to death. Given this is also Pathfinder, it could be arguably linked to lycanthropy as well (I've forgotten the lycanthrope rules, but lore-wise...). The moon itself has not DIRECTLY killed anyone. But indirectly...
Not to mention it is a common navigational aid in the same sense that the sun is. Rises in one direction, sets in the other.

In the interests of time, and unless we can argue another option, does anyone want to take the guess of the moon? Preferably not Safia as in-character she's the one with the possible puzzle solution. If it's wrong, would rather not lose her.
Drazgar In'lyndl
 player, 275 posts
Wed 27 Jul 2016
at 15:48
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
In reply to Yanyeeku (msg # 763):

Probably this paladin of the Dancer in Moonlight should? Sorry, I forgot this is a pathfinder world not a copyrighted world of another companies design. But if Drazgar was born on that world he would worship her

This message was last edited by the player at 15:51, Wed 27 July 2016.

Safia
 player, 197 posts
 HP 40/41
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Wed 27 Jul 2016
at 18:53
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
I'm absolutely stumped too. I had Safia state IC that celestial bodies don't crawl, they rise...so she decided her initial answer (the moon) was incorrect. This was based on the Knowledge Nature roll, but if this was real life, I'd argue that. There are quite a few references in literature and just plain metaphorical speak, where the moon is referred to as crawling from the depths.

But for the purpose of the riddle, Safia said it doesn't crawl.

I have tried and tried to figure this one out, to make all the lines fit to the same answer, but I give. I have no idea what the answer is.
Safia
 player, 198 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Wed 27 Jul 2016
at 19:01
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...

Oh, and when we find out, I'm probably going to groan. Chances are it's as obvious as can be and we're just not seeing it.
Aden Bero
 player, 1072 posts
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Fri 29 Jul 2016
at 18:43
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Is it whoever makes the wrong guess is out of gauntlet?  or wrong guess and we're all out?
Mr. Main
 GM, 1234 posts
Fri 29 Jul 2016
at 22:35
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
well what he said was "If I win you jump off the ledge and if you win I'll jump off the ledge." Now he meant all of you, but if you want to try and play it off as one person per wrong guess he would probably go with that. It certainly makes his odds better if you decide to forgo the riddle contest and just attack. That said You guys don't have to accept the deal. All that matters technically is getting through. Breaking an agreement won't disqualify you. However it is being recorded so if you do that it might effect your reputation. If you do break the agreement though you can figure it's back to being actively hostile.
Safia
 player, 200 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Sat 30 Jul 2016
at 16:29
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Yanyeeku:
If we discuss looking at them in the night sky for hopes of guidance, we have two things. The moon, and the stars. Astrology is a form of divination magic and guidance; as well as both being used for navigation as mentioned earlier.


Maybe it's a crab.

Or a scorpion.

Or a snake.

Scorpions crawl from the depths (live in burrows in the ground), though not necessarily "ashore".
The Deathstalker Scorpion kills over 50,000 people per year.
Astronomers/Astrologers look to the constellation of Scorpius for guidance.

Along the same line of thought would be the constellation of Serpens, or 'a Snake,' but Scorpions kill more people than snakes do. Or the constellation of Cancer, a Crab... because thousands of red crabs crawl ashore every year and die in the sands (or get scooped up and eaten by humans and die).

I'm reaching, and that's based on rl. I honestly don't even know if there are scorpions in this setting, but it's a thought.
Yanyeeku
 player, 253 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Sun 31 Jul 2016
at 08:44
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
We are also assuming those constellations exist as well. While the night sky is similar, location can dictate more recognised constellations.
Aden Bero
 player, 1074 posts
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Sun 31 Jul 2016
at 13:19
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
@DM, what type of knowledge check do we need to make for general knowledge on constellations?  Just to know names of common constellations to see if any match description from riddle.

At this point, my best guess is that it's a constellation of an amphibious creature that as a species eats millions of plankton or something.
Mr. Main
 GM, 1236 posts
Sun 31 Jul 2016
at 13:22
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
well basically the same constellations as earth. So all the major well known constellations are there. So you don't really need a knowledge check to know them, unless you want trivia about them or are looking for lesser known ones.
Dustil Kraye
 player, 885 posts
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Sun 31 Jul 2016
at 14:18
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
I don't know about Scorpion. I could be wrong, but I don't know, it just doesn't strike me as the correct answer. The 'ashore' is part of it. I suppose it depends on how poetic the riddle is.

For a second I thought about a meteor wiping out the dinosaurs and people wishing on them...but "from the depths I crawl ashore" I don't think applies to that.

I think we need to vote on an answer and guess, or else attack the Minotaur. We've been spending a looooong time on this riddle.
Safia
 player, 203 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Sun 31 Jul 2016
at 16:20
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Aden Bero:
At this point, my best guess is that it's a constellation of an amphibious creature that as a species eats millions of plankton or something.

There are three types of amphibians: frogs and toads (Anura), salamanders (Urodela), and the caecilians (Apoda, limbless, serpentine amphibians). The caecilians eat insects, if that matters. I was focused more on the 'serpentine' part. It's just as good a guess as any at this point.

Did you receive anything of use on your Knowledge Religion roll?

Dustil Kraye:
I think we need to vote on an answer and guess, or else attack the Minotaur. We've been spending a looooong time on this riddle.

I agree.

I (and Safia) vote serpent, because it's amphibious and it's a constellation in the night sky.
Yanyeeku
 player, 254 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Sun 31 Jul 2016
at 17:09
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Before I vote, and I do recommend caution...

DM: Constellations of this location. Based on Northern Hemisphere or Southern Hemisphere? If the constellations are based on the Northern Hemisphere, then I'll be fine with it. But if they're Southern...

Well Serpens is a Northern constellation. Scorpius is Southern.

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Mr. Main
 GM, 1237 posts
Sun 31 Jul 2016
at 17:51
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
well if it matters the continent that the Arcadian Alliance is on would be in the southern hemisphere.