OOC part 2: the revenge...   Posted by Mr. Main.Group: 0
Aden Bero
 player, 1081 posts
 HP 51/51
 Flame Juggler
Wed 24 Aug 2016
at 12:13
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Well, Shame on us, as we agreed to getting sent out if we guess wrong.  And the Minotaur only agreed to jump down, but not get sent out.  So he fair and square can use the exploit that we're arguing against using.

I don't really care about being honorable.  Nor does Aden.  He's chaotic good.  This is a competition.  There are plenty of other teams that are more than fine being "dishonorable".  Or logical.  Or whatever.  They play to their strengths to try and win, and so far the crowds have only seemed to respect them for it.

We're not Paladins.  It's okay to be tricky and play dirty.  So I'm unconvinced.

Now it's a fair point that the Minotaur may break the deal because Aden and Dustil are trying to exploit the rules.  But the Minotaur seems so far like the type to state his objection to their attempts before just launching into an attack.  So I think the attempt is worth it to get another man back.

But seems Dustil is unwilling to be levitated, so it's all moot.

And I still think we should've just fought him and could've won.

This message was last edited by the player at 12:18, Wed 24 Aug 2016.

Yanyeeku
 player, 265 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Wed 24 Aug 2016
at 13:11
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
I'm perfectly fine with you taking whatever action. I just want you to be fully aware of what can result from it so you won't be taken by surprise. Also note that the minotaur is probably a barbarian with reach and Superstition, so it'll be a case of beating him down before he beats us down, Combat Reflexes and all.

Yan is TN. He's fine with people making decisions as long as they're informed decisions. Also means he avoids getting his own hands dirty as a result. As a Monk however, Dustil may have objections to this, which was the other reason for me bringing it up. Lawful can be played in different ways; but I figured people probably had forgotten about the exact wording of our wager, hence me bringing it up.
Aden Bero
 player, 1082 posts
 HP 51/51
 Flame Juggler
Wed 24 Aug 2016
at 17:40
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
It's very rare I don't strongly consider the consequences of my characters actions.  One of the luxuries of a play by post.

Dustil can simply be unwilling to be levitated, per the spell description, and it nips the issue in the bud.
Dustil Kraye
 player, 893 posts
 You must clear your thou-
 Hey, is that beer??
Wed 24 Aug 2016
at 17:42
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
And there are differences between Lawful Good and Lawful Neutral. =)
Yanyeeku
 player, 266 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Wed 24 Aug 2016
at 18:33
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Eh. It was less an issue of Good vs Neutral and more an issue of (possibly) Lawful vs Chaotic. It can easily be argued that simply backing out on a wager isn't an alignment issue. Lawful alignments can be expressed in many different ways. That was just an afterthought.

My main concern was the warning of how it will look to the crowd as well as the fact that I'm not sure we can take him. Remember I don't know how well he fought you guys, all I know is that you lost and he has a reach weapon, combat reflexes, and is probably a barbarian. Reason for concern. We're all human, we can miss things.
Morien
 player, 640 posts
 The Frost Lord
 Cometh
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 01:48
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
 Morien is very much "by the letter" when it comes to rules. He also tries to remain aware of the loopholes in said rules (to mitigate any attempt to use them against him).
Safia
 player, 206 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 05:43
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Morien:
... He also tries to remain aware of the loopholes ....


The Minotaur said "and get sent out", not "send yourself out". Therein is a loophole that isn't misaligned with any alignment, in my opinion.

Like 'loophole' is a bad word. *chaotic good eye-roll*

Honestly, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to 'assume' the audience is going to think poorly of Dustil (or Team Arcadia for that matter), because he got caught in a web instead of 'getting' sent out and Aden is clever enough to suggest levitating him out of the web and out of danger. Good on you, Aden! I had no ideas on how Safia could help, so I'm glad you stepped up.

So, c'mon. Seriously? Backing out on a wager?

Not even.

Playing a loophole should be admired as Team Arcadia showing their wit (Intelligence).

Aden coming to Dustil's aid should be admired as a show of Team loyalty, and again, cleverness.

Dustil fulfilled his part of the agreement. He jumped off. He absolutely did not back out on a wager.

Chaotic Good here, so I'm with Aden.

I also think it's a great insult to imply that anyone here hasn't considered the consequences of their character's actions or words.

The only thing I can see that would earn Team Arcadia disfavor in the audience's eyes is how terrible we are at solving or coming up with riddles. Or how two team members are publicly showing the audience that they don't have their other team members' backs, that riddle rules are more important than teamwork. That'll get a team's reputation to drop.

...And this is me, considering the consequences.

Peace out.

This message was last edited by the player at 05:44, Thu 25 Aug 2016.

Yanyeeku
 player, 267 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 05:57
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
... Might I point out that my concern was that you guys are in fact human and could have missed something? I'm not saying that you didn't think things through, I'm thinking you genuinely missed or forgot something and want to make sure you're aware first. Please stop jumping down my throat. As I said, repeatedly, I'm not objecting to anything.

... But you do raise a point with the wording there. If the process fails to send you out, then that's on the process, not on you.

I wasn't objecting to the whole "getting caught on the web" thing. I don't know how you guys got sent out last time. I was pointing it out to the whole "levitate him back up" thing.

I'm not saying "I don't support you, stop". I'm saying "be careful". If you would prefer to not have warnings, please let me know.
Safia
 player, 207 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 12:39
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...

Apologies. It wasn't my intent to jump down anyone's throat. I was actually expressing my opinion, throwing in my two cents. I'm human and I have this habit of sharing my thoughts sometimes too. The written word is generally taken as the reader sees it, rather than in the voice of the writer. So, again. Not jumping down anyone's throat. Just discussing.

Also, this is role play, so what our characters do or say doesn't necessarily reflect what 'we' would do. In other words, there might be times when a PC misses something, because the player is keeping in-character. They're missing something on purpose. So yeah, in-character Yanyeeku could issue warnings. That would be in-keeping with your character. ...Just as it might be in-character for another PC to ignore said warnings or disagree.

I feel as though in such instance, that the one being warned shouldn't be warn-pushed to the point of the 'player' feeling pressured to play out of character because their fun doesn't mesh with the warning.

The motto here is 'have fun'.

This message was last edited by the player at 12:40, Thu 25 Aug 2016.

Yanyeeku
 player, 269 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 12:57
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Ah yeah. My main concern was that the player was aware more than anything. I've made errors before due to misremembering something or not realising something my character did. Had I remembered or known something out of character, then I'd realise that my actions wouldn't make as much sense.

At the same time done I've something because it would be more in-character even if I wouldn't do it out of character. The main thing is that the player is aware more than anything. Communication being what it is, it's difficult to tell in a vacuum if someone is doing something in character in spite of what they know, or because of what they don't know.

But yeah. Yanyeeku was offering a warning in-character because that would be what he'd do; but he wouldn't feel like he'd be the right person to go any further with that. I was offering one out of character in case something was forgotten, given it has been over a month since we initially made the post with the wager.

Not going for the approach "You shouldn't do that". More going for "You know about this right? You do. Cool." and moving along to see what happens.
Dustil Kraye
 player, 894 posts
 You must clear your thou-
 Hey, is that beer??
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 13:10
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
And honestly, you're right. The human player and GM did forget about the "and get sent out" part at first, so it's not a bad thing that you brought it up.

It'll all work out. Or it won't. Lol! =)
Yanyeeku
 player, 270 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 13:25
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
And hey, Safia pointed out that the "get sent out" clause was technically fulfilled. Dustil fulfilled the requirements, not our fault that it didn't work!
Dustil Kraye
 player, 895 posts
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Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 14:59
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Wellllllllllll.....TECHnically....OOC Dustil AIMED for the webs...<laugh>

But in-character, yep, absolutely, those damn webs!
Aden Bero
 player, 1083 posts
 HP 51/51
 Flame Juggler
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 19:45
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
For the record, feel free to question my in character tactics or decisions whenever.  Won't offend me.

And I don't mind others suggesting courses of action or providing warnings.  Just shows you care about the game.  This is just a game, yes, but I'm competitive by nature and play to win.  :)
Morien
 player, 641 posts
 The Frost Lord
 Cometh
Thu 25 Aug 2016
at 22:54
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
 Ehh, Morien wasn't quite so worried about the webs catching him as what happened thereafter (Morien's all for getting Dustil out of the webs, btw), but he's more concerned about what happens afterwards.

 If Dustil can come back into play after getting caught in the webs, then so can Teng... and THAT'S what worries Morien.
Safia
 player, 208 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Fri 26 Aug 2016
at 00:14
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...

Maybe Teng is too heavy to jump high enough to get tangled in the webs too? ;)
Yanyeeku
 player, 271 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Fri 26 Aug 2016
at 07:58
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Teng may be heavy enough to just fall through the webs. :P I'm hoping he just fails this riddle though, I don't think I could handle another one like that! That said, on the next one, let me take the knowledge check. I can Lore Master it for a take 20.
Aden Bero
 player, 1084 posts
 HP 51/51
 Flame Juggler
Fri 26 Aug 2016
at 11:20
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
If teng jumps down, that should give us enough time to run to the exit.
Mr. Main
 GM, 1250 posts
Mon 29 Aug 2016
at 23:20
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
alright this riddle contest is taking to long in real world time. do you guys want to try and switch it up to a different kind of contest or do you want to keep rolling with the riddles?
Morien
 player, 644 posts
 The Frost Lord
 Cometh
Tue 30 Aug 2016
at 04:03
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
 I'm running out of riddles so a change of pace might be good but I think I may have one or two left in me if the group decides to keep with it.
Aden Bero
 player, 1086 posts
 HP 51/51
 Flame Juggler
Tue 30 Aug 2016
at 18:29
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Like maybe an ass kicking contest? :)

Fine, we can try the jumping contest if there are no other ideas.
Safia
 player, 209 posts
 HP 40/41
 Lore Warden
Tue 30 Aug 2016
at 18:43
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...

I'm cool with whatever. I am curious to know the answer to Dustil's riddle though. ;)
Dustil Kraye
 player, 897 posts
 You must clear your thou-
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Tue 30 Aug 2016
at 18:53
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
I'm fine with moving on, but I'm not going to throw a fit if the riddle contest continues.
Yanyeeku
 player, 272 posts
 Teller of Stories
 24/24 HP
Wed 31 Aug 2016
at 08:21
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
I don't mind either way, I'm still not so certain we can take him in a fight, but a jumping contest could work. While we're down Dustil, we still have Yan and Aden for it.
Aden Bero
 player, 1087 posts
 HP 51/51
 Flame Juggler
Sun 4 Sep 2016
at 16:02
Re: OOC part 2: the revenge...
Who says we're down Dustil?  Plan is to still levitate him onto platform and have him remain in contest.

Someone else can suggest an alternative to riddle contest.  Aden has been for fighting this whole time.