Yep, I can imagine - It's a problem I've always found with any online role playing game - I do a lot of pen and paper stuff on Roll 20 and its always seemed to me people have a tendency of thinking of online games as not involving 'real people' - because there is that disconnect of the internet.

If there is anything else I can do to help out, as Luis says, just let me know

Does intelligence tell us to what point has IC reinforced itself (its strength now, be it in units or in combat points as you suggested)?
This message was last edited by the player at 13:08, Sun 02 July 2017.

Ok, finally managed to find a computer that would not be improved by slathering it with formic acid. I finally have some hope of doing this War Round shortly.

Before we begin I need to make a general statement about 3 kinds of questions which I am seeing coming up, and yes, these will be made clearer in the rules for next turn.

#1 Questions along the lines of '...after all the changes to borders due to wars, then within a hex on Earth, does nation X still border with nation Y?'

    There was a time when we could and did care about national borders within a hex based on a 2010 vintage map. That time has past and borders within a hex on Earth have changed, especially in the Middle East, and we are not going to detail them. From now on, within a hex on Earth we will assume that any land unit can reach any other point within the same hex without starting a war in attempting to make the crossing*, unless the GM explicitly says otherwise.

*what happens at the end point of the move is a completely different situation.

#2 Questions about what kind of society is an NPC, e.g. are they democratic or not.

     Beyond the deliberately vague listings for 'Trade Code' and 'Stability' in the Settlement_List file there is no mechanism for generating and tracking such things, and especially no mechanism on how they would automatically evolve to over time in response to events in the game, nor do I ever foresee a need to have such a mechanism. In the course of telling a story the GM might occasionally make a reference as to the current nature of an NPC's government/society for the purpose of role-play, but it is ONLY for the purpose of role-play.


#3 Questions about what actions an NPC have been doing, especially to another NPC.

     Nations were chosen to be available as PC nations because taken together they dominate anything important, that means that in general any NPC vs. NPC conflict is unimportant. Unless the GM feels a particular NPC vs. NPC conflict is of unusual interest to the rest of the players then do not expect to see a combat roll, or even a mention in the History section. The GM has more important things to do. So perhaps Iraq has been engaged in a vicious war with a portion of the IC and this is causing a drain of the resources and reinforcements of the IC away from the IC's conflict with the West ... or perhaps Iraq and the IC have enjoyed a mutually beneficial relationship of trade and trust. Whatever it is, do not expect it to be detailed, or even mentioned, until the GM determines it is useful to do so.
This message was last edited by the GM at 05:26, Tue 25 July 2017.

Fitna
Prince Ali executed: King Khalid City, Saudi Arabia: Prince Ali, former 7th in the Saudi line of succession has been flogged and beheaded today in a public square in King Khalid City. It is his defection to the Caliphate when sent on diplomatic mission to Iraq in 2032 that was seen then as a personal insult by the Saudi King, and after his capture while attempting to surrender to the withdrawing UK forces, he has been judged for high treason in what International Amnesty has claimed to be “a mocking trial with no guarantees”. Allegedly, Prince Ali asked personally to the King for mercy, and the King’s answer was to slap his face.

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking the Islamic Caliphate

Russia unit#437, 438, 439, 440, 441 Experienced Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
25 SU required, 147 SU available, 122 SU final

Germany Unit#3: Veteran armor: 5: H. Sol-Earth H20.
Germany Unit#101: Veteran mech : 3: M: : Sol.Earth H20.
10 SU required this WR, 127 SU available, 117 SU final

Saudi: Unit# 3: Green Armor: 5: H: Sol-Earth K24 (moving through J23)
Saudi Unit#101: Elite infantry: 1: U: Sol-Earth, Airborne ability.
10 SU required this WR, 121 SU available, 111 SU final

USA 3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
35 SU required this WR, 471 SU available, 436 SU final

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.3, Sum Basic Strength: 42, Final Combat Strength: 2 893

Islamic Caliphate Defending:
1 Green Motorized Brigade (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
1 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia)
1 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 4, Final Combat Strength: 219

Odds are 2893/219=19.2 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted { 2*(4-2)=4 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage by defender and worldwide terror campaign by IC} final odds >10:1
21:48, Today: Co-GM rolled 2 using 1d10.  Fitna.
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,
0.2 X 4 available hits =0.8 = 1

IC losses:
1 Reserve Infantry Brigade

Saudi, Germany, Russia, USA losses:
None

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Turkey cooks
Your Friendly News Advert: Ankara, Turkey: Rioting and acts of terrorism and sabotage continue across Turkey. Watch Turkish security forces battle Gulen elements in the capital and the Armenian ethnic Van and Nazarian organizations in the east. Would you like to know more? Click YES   NO.

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Bloody Damascus#6:
Fire Threatens Area Just Reopened After Last Summer’s Food Riots: Bratislava, Slovakia: Conditions are set to improve over the next couple of days," CNN meteorologist Judson Jones said. Temperatures that soared to 35.6 Celsius on Tuesday will drop to the mid 20s C on Thursday and Friday -- giving firefighters a hand in combating the blaze, Jones said."All our efforts to control and contain the fire were challenged by this extreme fire behavior," forestry manager Milan Schmitte said. "Efforts were also hampered by smoke conditions. Basically fire behavior was beyond all control efforts."The main challenge ahead: fierce winds gusting in different directions."If it's constantly changing direction in different ways, it's hard to control a fire," Jones said. About 500 firefighters and 12 helicopters are battling the blaze.

Russia and Syria attacking
Russian unit#445-454: Experienced Infantry :1 : U: Sol Earth H19: Security
Russian unit#214-216: Experienced Multi-role Plane :3: L: Sol Earth H20
65 SU required, 122 SU available, 57 SU final

Syria: 5 Green Tank :5:H : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Motorized : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Green Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Reserve Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19 Stealth Ability, various militias
Syria: 4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
Syria: 1 Green Artillery : 6: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 8 Green Multi-role planes : 3: L : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Multi-role Helicopter : 2: M : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 4 Green IRBM : 6: U : Sol Earth H19
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 147, Final Combat Strength: 13985

Syrian rebels defending
Syrian rebels: 1 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia forces)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Mechanized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Artillery Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 9, Final Combat Strength: 506

Odds are 13985/506=15.5 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right for Military Rank, final odds >10:1
21:49, Today: Co-GM rolled 5 using 1d10.  Bloody Damascus#6..
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender
0.2 X 9 available hits = 1.8 = 2

Syrian rebels losses:
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Artillery Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)

Russia Syria losses:
None

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Occupation Duty
Your Friendly News Advert: Al Fallujah, Iraq: The NGO Médecins Sans Frontières has set up a field hospital just outside the city to help treat Shiite refugees fleeing from Sunni pogroms let loose in the wake of the invasion. Saudi forces have taken up defensive postures just the other side of the river. Would you like to know more? Click YES   NO.

Saudi Arabia attacking Iraq
Unit #1: green tank; 5; H; Sol Earth I22
Units #32, 33: green mech, 3, M, Sol Earth I22
15 SU required this WR, 111 SU available, 96 SU final
Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 7.6, Sum Basic Strength: 11, Final Combat Strength: 635

Iraq Defending, frontier force
1 Reserve Tank Brigades
1 Reserve Mechanized Brigades
4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
6 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militias)
1 Green Artillery Brigades
2 Green Multi-role Helicopter squadrons
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.1, Sum Basic Strength: 25, Final Combat Strength: 1260

Odds are 635/1260=0.504 which becomes 1:2 odds, shifted 2*(4-2)=4 = 4 columns to right for Military Rank shifted 2 columns to right for Saudi pressure to Baghdad government to concentrate in the Shiite part of the
country and not to interfere, final odds 4:1

Iraq concedes round before combat roll can be made.

Iraq losses:
Loss of 20% of territory

Saudi losses:
None
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:20, Wed 26 July 2017.

I worry that I did not make it clear, but a while revolt of the ethnic Armenian peoples in Turkey is underway, there is not currently any brigade level combat between the Turkish and Armenian nations.

You will have until August 6 1200 UTC to post to me in the appropriate threads about what your nations are going to do in response before I start Quick Combat Round #2.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:17, Wed 26 July 2017.

In reply to Co-GM (msg # 10):

I am leaving for holiday on the 28th July, and so will probably not be available for consultation - if you need something from the US or Korea let me know asap

First of all, glad to see things moving again at last. Just some comments (after a quick read), though they will change nothing:



According the Settlement_List_20170214 IC's MR is now 3 (I guess they trained their forces last turn).



According my calculator, ratios it should be 2893/219=13.2 and 13985/506=27.6. As said, it changes nothing, but I'm afraid if you're using a spreadsheet it might have some formula wrong...
This message was last edited by the player at 15:16, Tue 25 July 2017.

...and now I am down to using a mobile with limited connection. I am pushing back the deadline for orders to August 10th.

Whatever are the discussions going on over Saudi-Iraq, I am sure they are fascinating, but I cannot get involved until the 7th. Just assume that Canada is keeping up the pressure.

Fitna#2
Apophis Station Continues Tumbling: (Apophis Station, Earth Orbit) Apophis station manager, Margaret Blaine, assured reporters via Link that the latest series of malfunctions were minor setbacks, not likely to significantly extend the construction timeline, and that the now highly erratic orbit of the asteroid would soon be brought back under control. The interview was cut short when what ground control called a " ... temporary station wide power glitch, which we are still working" has knocked out all communication with the entire facility.

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking the Islamic Caliphate

Russia unit#SEC-4 Infantry Division : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
25 SU required, 57 SU available, 0 used, 57 SU final

Germany Unit#3: Veteran armor: 5: H. Sol-Earth H20.
Germany Unit#101: Veteran mech : 3: M: : Sol.Earth H20.
10 SU required this WR, 117 SU available, 107 SU final

Saudi: Unit# 3: Green Armor: 5: H: Sol-Earth K24 (moving through J23)
Saudi Unit#101: Elite infantry: 1: U: Sol-Earth, Airborne ability.
10 SU required this WR, 96 SU available, 86 SU final

USA 3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
35 SU required this WR, 436 SU available, 401 SU final

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.3, Sum Basic Strength: 42.5, Final Combat Strength: 2 927

Islamic Caliphate Defending:
1 Green Motorized Brigade (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
1 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 3, Final Combat Strength: 164

Odds are 2927/164=17.8 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted { 2*(3-2)=2 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage by defender and worldwide terror campaign by IC} final odds >10:1

12:39, Today: Co-GM rolled 5 using 1d10.  Fitna#2.
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,
0.2 X 3 available hits =0.6 = 1

IC losses:
1 Green Motorized Brigade (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)

Saudi, Germany, Russia, USA losses:
None

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Turkey cooks#2
Refugees Speak at Armenian Parlament (Yerevan, Armenia): Telling harrowing tales of death, torture and oppression, ethnic Armenian Turkish refugees were on prominent display at the the Armenian Parliament today. These refugees are now on a speaking tour of world capitals at the behest of the Armenian government to raise awareness of the bloodshed in Turkey.

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Bloody Damascus#7:
Syria Discards WMD (Damascus, Syria) President of Syria - Hafez al-Assad speaks:- Yes, that's true. We deliberately forego from use, production or storage of weapons of mass destruction of all sorts. There were multiple fake reports that Syrian governmental army used the WMD against its own population, and there were no real evidence to that, ever. There is no need to use WMD in a war we are obviously winning - here I want to thank Russian Federation who proved to be loyal ally against all odds of malevolent propaganda - now, we deprive enemies of state of any single argument and hand over our WMD under control of Russia.

Russia and Syria attacking
Russian unit#MEC-3 Infantry Division Infantry
25 SU required, 57 SU available, 0 SU used, 57 SU final

Syria: 5 Green Tank :5:H : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Motorized : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Green Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Reserve Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19 Stealth Ability, various militias
Syria: 4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
Syria: 1 Green Artillery : 6: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 8 Green Multi-role planes : 3: L : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Multi-role Helicopter : 2: M : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 4 Green IRBM : 6: U : Sol Earth H19
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 124.5, Final Combat Strength: 8371

Syrian rebels defending
Syrian rebels: 1 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia forces)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Mechanized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 5, Final Combat Strength: 281

Odds are 8371/281=29.7 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right for Military Rank, final odds >10:1
12:49, Today: Co-GM rolled 10 using 1d10.  Bloody Damascus#7:.
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender
0.2 X 5 available hits = 1

Syrian rebels losses:
Syrian rebels: 1 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia forces)

Russia Syria losses:
None

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Occupation Duty
Canadian General to Speak Before UN (New York, USA): Canadian General Ian Maclutchen is set to begin today his highly anticipated speech before the UN General Assembly detailing his findings on the Saudi incursion into Iraq. His speech is expected to be highly critical of the Saudi action, likely noting in no uncertain terms what everyone already knows, that Saudi forces have made no move to withdraw or to stabilize the situation. This follows reports that the Canadian Prime Minister's office is fervently working behind the scenes with numerous world leaders to stiffen resolve against the occupation and get a coalition together to do something about it.

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You will have until August 19 th 1200 UTC to post to me in the appropriate threads about what your nations are going to do in response before I start Quick Combat Round #2
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:15, Sat 12 Aug 2017.

I'll be unavailable form 17^th to 19^th this month. Any diplomacy with Germany, Nigeria or Saudi arabia, please, send messages after 17^th

So, IC forces are now down to 1 SAM battery.

Rule 8.7 (military units):



Rule 10.11 (quick combat):



(I understand it means sections 10.4, 10.8,10.9 and 10.12, according the name of the sections you fixed in latter editions)

See that the 0 combat factor for 8.7 (assuming the coalition does only use ground combat forces) is not ignored in 10.10, according this rule...

So, assuming the Coalition forces don't use air units nor missiles or space forces, IC combat factor is 0.

How will it be handled? auromatic 10:1? automatic destruction (and occupation of the territory, as per last paragraph rule 10.7)?

Finally, the days I will be probably unavailable will be from 18^th to 20^th. So I'll post my orders tomorrow (17^th).

I'd like, if posible, to have an answer to my former post (about how 10.10 affects figting against SAM alone) before answering.

OOC (of course):

Just in case anyone is worried (and as I will unavailable now for a few says), I've not been afected by the terrorist attack in Barcelona.

In reply to Germany (msg # 17):

>auromatic 10:1?
If no air then strength is 0, odds >10:1

Fitna#3
Plan مطرقة من نجوم. : During the decide activity, the targeting board produces a prioritized list of targets and a recommended course of action associated with each. Executing targeting decisions may require the operations section to issue fragmentary orders. Each of these orders is a task that should be nested within the higher headquarters’ plan and the commander’s intent. ….-Excerpt from a counter insurgency manual captured in an abandoned HQ post of the Islamic Caliphate

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking the Islamic Caliphate

Russia unit#SEC-4 Infantry Division : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
25 SU required, 57 SU available, 0 used, 57 SU final

Germany Unit#3: Veteran armour: 5: H. Sol-Earth H20.
Germany Unit#101: Veteran mech : 3: M: : Sol Earth H20.
10 SU required  this WR, 107 SU available, 97 SU final

Saudi: Unit# 3: Green Armor: 5: H: Sol-Earth K24 (moving through J23)
Saudi Unit#101: Elite infantry: 1: U: Sol-Earth, Airborne ability.
10 SU required this WR, 86 SU available, 76 SU final

USA 3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
35 SU required this WR, 401 SU available, 366 SU final

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.3, Sum Basic Strength: 42.5, Final Combat Strength: 2 927

Islamic Caliphate Defending:
1 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 3, Final Combat Strength: 164

Odds are 2927/164=17.8 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted { 2*(3-2)=2 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage by defender and worldwide terror campaign by IC} final odds >10:1

22:30, Today: Co-GM rolled 8 using 1d10.  Fitna#3.
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,
0.2 X 3 available hits =0.6 = 1

IC losses:
None, insufficient to destroy a unit

Saudi, Germany, Russia, USA losses:
None

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Turkey cooks#3
Daily Disruptions List Rundown: (Ankara, Turkey) Kars province, Akyaka district: Youths went on rampage in most villages on Tuesday, burning cars, properties, and even attacking personnel of the police intervention unit deployed to the villages to quell a protest organized by some disgruntled youths, the Freedom Newspaper can reveal.  Injuries were recorded from both the protesters side and that of the PIU. This followed attempts to demolish some structures outside some of the villages, which was greeted by a strong resistance from the village youths.

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Bloody Damascus#8:
Malaysian Climate-Induced Migration: In recent years has been mainly caused by floods and heat stress, which force people to migrate temporarily or permanently. For example, people in Johor over the past few years have faced unpredictable extreme weather conditions, resulting in torrential rains, flash floods and landslides. These conditions forced people to migrate. Monsoon and snowfall patterns have also shifted due to a rise in temperature in Malaysia in the past few decades. The summer monsoon has shifted toward the end of the season. –UN report, Climate Refugees of 2043

Russia and Syria attacking
Russian unit#MEC-3 Infantry Division Infantry
25 SU required, 57 SU available, 0 SU used, 57 SU final

Syria: 5 Green Tank :5:H : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Motorized : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Green Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Reserve Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19 Stealth Ability, various militias
Syria: 4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
Syria: 1 Green Artillery : 6: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 8 Green Multi-role planes : 3: L : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Multi-role Helicopter : 2: M : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 4 Green IRBM : 6: U : Sol Earth H19
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 124.5, Final Combat Strength: 8371

Syrian rebels defending
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Mechanized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 4, Final Combat Strength: 225

Odds are 8371/225=37.2 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right for Military Rank, final odds >10:1
10:34, Today: Co-GM rolled 7 using 1d10.  Bloody Damascus#8.
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender
0.2 X 4 available hits = 0.8 = 1

Syrian rebels losses:
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)

Russia Syria losses:
None

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Occupation Duty#3
Disorder in the House
<Honourable Neil Harper, Minister of Defence> I beg to move, that this House ….
<Overwhelming shouting, indiscernible >
<Speaker of the House, Honourable James Signy> Order! Order!
<Honourable Neil Harper, Minister of Defence> Let me say that this ….
<Overwhelming shouting, indiscernible >
-Transcript of Canadian Parliament debate on the recent alleged atrocities by the Iraqi army

Iraq attacking the Saudi Arabia
4 Reserve Tank Brigades
8 Reserve Mechanized Brigades
8 Reserve Motorized Brigades
8 Reserve Infantry Brigades
8 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
15 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militias)
3 Green Artillery Brigades
6 Green SAM Brigades
8 Green Multi-role Plane squadrons
2 Green Multi-role Helicopter squadrons
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.1, Sum Basic Strength: 116, Final Combat Strength: 5847

Saudi Arabia Defending:
Unit1 1: Green Armor: 5: H: Sol-Earth I22
Units 32 to 35: Green Mech: 3: M: Sol-Earth I22
Units 66 to 71: Reserve motorized: 1: U: Sol-Earth I22
Units 301, 302, 303: Veteran multi-role planes: 3: L: J23
Units 304, 305: Veteran multi-role planes: 3: L: I22
Units 308,309,310: Experienced multi-role planes: 3: L: I22
65 SU required this WR, 76 SU available, 11 SU final
Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.7, Sum Basic Strength: 47, Final Combat Strength: 3557

Odds are 5847/3557=1.64 which becomes 1.5:1 odds, shifted { 2*(4-2)=4 to right for difference in Military Rank, 3 to left for building patriotic fever as well as extensive international (Canadian ) aid} final odds 1:1

14:59, Today: Co-GM rolled 1 using 1d10.  Occupation Duty#3.
Results: 60%/5=12% loss to Attacker, 0%/5=0% loss to defender,
0.12 X 116 available hits =13.92 = 14

Iraqi losses:
3 Reserve Motorized Brigades
3 Reserve Infantry Brigades
2 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
6 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militias)

Saudi losses:
None

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You will have until August 31st 1200 UTC to post to me in the appropriate threads about what your nations are going to do in response before I start Quick Combat Round #4
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:03, Sat 02 Sept 2017.

First of all, glad and thankful you could resolve the turn quickly again. Now some comments:




How can basic strenght be fractional?



See that this is not how it has been handled before. As an example, in WR1


Combat power or the artillery was 3, but 2 hits were enough to destroy it (even while there were weaker units that could be destroyed instead).

And, if so, how can one destroy a last unit if it is a mech or armor one? Damage will never be above 1 (100%/5, combat power 3 or 5, result is 0.6 (rounded to 1) or outright 1, so less than what's needed), and their combat power is respectivelly 3 and 5, so, Reading rules this way, you cannot destroy it as long as it has supplies (and if it is reserve, it can never be destroyed).

In reply to Germany (msg # 21):

Please only post such comments in the appropriate thread, namely the thread about rules discussion.

Once again I am at a location where I cannot connect much with the game. Deadline is moved to Sept 3

In reply to Co-GM (msg # 22):

I hope you're not affected by the Hurricane Harvey

(I know this whould not be i nthis thread, but there's a long time I've been asking for an OOC thread for those things)

Sorry, I assumed that the rules discussion thread was for the latest proposal, to help you siwht new ideas and clarifications, as well as mopping up errata, while the turn resolution should be discussed here, so that we avoid confusion (mostly in teh rules discussion thread, that this way we don't discuss several rules sets at once).

Fitna#4
UN Discussion on Libyan Action. (New York, USA) "...What are you going to do about the mass Russian movement of forces into Armenia? A dozen brigades or more! Who are they planning on attacking?! What are you going to do about that!" -Ambassador Amr Diab of the Egyptian Empire

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking the Islamic Caliphate

Russia unit#SEC-4 Infantry Division : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
25 SU required, 152 SU available, 0 used, 152 SU final

Germany Unit#3: Veteran armour: 5: H. Sol-Earth H20.
5 SU required  this WR, 97 SU available, 92 SU final

Saudi: Unit# 66, 67: Reserve Motorized: 1:U:security ability: Sol-Earth I22
0 SU required this WR, 76 SU available, 76 SU final

USA 3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
35 SU required this WR, 366 SU available, 331 SU final

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.3, Sum Basic Strength: 26.5, Final Combat Strength: 1 825

Islamic Caliphate Defending:
1 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 3, Final Combat Strength: 164

Odds are 1825/164=10.9 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted { 2*(3-2)=2 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage by defender and worldwide terror campaign by IC} final odds >10:1

22:50, Today: Co-GM rolled 10 using 1d10.  Fitna#4.
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,
0.2 X 3 available hits =0.6 = 1

IC losses:
None, insufficient to destroy a unit

Saudi, Germany, Russia, USA losses:
None

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Turkey cooks#4
Primer Book on English Language (Yerevan, Armenia)
See our Leader reviewing new gift brigades from friend Russia. Shiny tanks!
See sad mothers hurt by Turk. Bad Turk!
See brave fathers sneak across border join volunteer brigades for duty freeing mothers from Turk.
See volunteer brigades beat up Turk. Armenia shiny tanks join help soon! Run Turk!
- Published by the Armenian Education Ministry

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Bloody Damascus#9:
Battered 'City of Light' Embraces Chance to Shine as Olympic Host. (Paris, France) Packed among thousands of Parisians waiting outside City Hall the governor ordered a mandatory shelter in place for the next line of storms. Declaring that emergency services are suspended for the duration, the crowd cheered when he promised to rebuild in time for the opening ceremonies.

Russia and Syria attacking
None
0 SU required, 152 SU available, 0 SU used, 152 SU final

Syria: 5 Green Tank :5:H : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Motorized : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Green Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Reserve Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19 Stealth Ability, various militias
Syria: 4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
Syria: 1 Green Artillery : 6: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 8 Green Multi-role planes : 3: L : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Multi-role Helicopter : 2: M : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 4 Green IRBM : 6: U : Sol Earth H19
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 119, Final Combat Strength: 8001

Syrian rebels defending
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Mechanized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 3, Final Combat Strength: 168

Odds are 8001/168=47.6 which becomes >10:1 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right for Military Rank, final odds >10:1

22:53, Today: Co-GM rolled 9 using 1d10.  Bloody Damascus#9.
Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,
0.2 X 3 available hits =0.6 = 1

Syrian rebels losses:
None, insufficient to destroy a unit

Russia Syria losses:
None


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You will have until September 19th 1200 UTC to post to me in the appropriate threads about what your nations are going to do in response before end of the Turn.

We have finally made it to the end of the Turn!

As you might have seen, I have already begun making adjustments to the website to accommodate keeping the game going. The most obvious is replacing the map of Earth that we had been using with one generated inside the Heaven&Earth system that we will be using for all other worlds. I know that it will be a hassle to make the change in the map, everything we have is listed according to the old coordinate system; I am sorry, but that old map has significantly outlived its relevance. Too little in the way how the game currently operates works with that old map, it had to be retired.

There will be many more updates to other documents that we have, and I also want to recruit more new players. There is a great deal for me to do, so I can only guess that we will not be able to start the next Turn for some weeks.

Two more articles to finish off the last of the news

Saudi Ports Busy With German Support (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) The flow of German made supplies into the Saudi Arabian war machine have made it clear what is the German position on the Saudi-Iraq war. An astonishing level of clarity of position given the lack of response from most of the rest of the nations of the world. German officials would not say when German military units are expected to join in the Saudi attack, but our military experts think it may be soon. -BBC World News


Dow Jones Plummets, Experts to Revise Downward All Growth Projections (New York, USA) Following the joint statement of several producers, lead by Saudi Arabia and Russia to slash world oil supplies to levels not seen since the Great Oil Drought of 2020 - 2034, has caused all fuel prices to skyrocket. Panic buying of supplies and violence on the street have already been seen. As with the years the globe laboured under the Great Oil Drought, fuel rationing is expected to be imposed shortly, undoubtedly food rationing will soon follow.

First of all, glad to see something moving again. This said, I took a skip glance on the settlements spreadsheet, and the part of the SRUs confuses me:

WIth the rules changes, the oil SRU became all forms of non-renewable energy such as hydrocarbon gases and liquids, coal, and fission of heavy elements (literal from currently posted rules) instead of just non-coal hydrocarbon production at the time of game start (literal from oficial rules 20151225). Yet, neither the reserves, production nor needs have been modified.

Where are the coal reserves that allowed some countries to gasify coal, just to give an example?

In reply to Germany (msg # 27):

>Yet, neither the reserves, production nor needs have been modified.
Ummm, I am certain that you had already asked that same question and I had already answered it. Anyways, the answer is the same: The share of the world's non-renewable energy from non-hydrocarbon sources is too small for me to be worth the time to figure something out or the disruption to the game to make those changes. Yes, there are resources online to help with that kind of information now, but we are at 2045 on an alternate history timeline starting in 2010, try Googling information on that. If I was going to make the kind of extensive changes to the game you talk about, I would have told you so already. Production, supply, and demand figures will be unchanged by this rule change.

>Where are the coal reserves that allowed some countries to gasify coal
Coal reserves: That pretty much is the perfect example of why those figures will remain unchanged. Figuring out the coal reserves alone of each and every nation in 2045, on an alternate history timeline mind you, is something that is not going to happen. To answer your question specifically: coal<--->gasoline, it is all the same under the current rules, so see column X and AA of the Settlement List file for your nation's coal reserves. Yes, I know IRL Germany has coal reserves and should get a bonus to the number for 'Oil Reserves', but every nation IRL has coal reserves, so there is no point in taking the effort to adjust the figures until you can show that in 2045 on an alternate history timeline Germany has so much more coal reserves than everyone that it alone deserves a bonus of 'X' (be precise, show your work, factor in all the various in-game events that have happened, *exactly* much is 'X') AND the distortion to the game universe in missing 'X' is so severe it is worth it to alter the Settlement List file. Repeat for each and every non-gasoline, non-renewable energy source.

In reply to Co-GM (msg # 28):

Then, just curious, why the change in definition?

In reply to Germany (msg # 29):

Because there is an assumption deeply embedded in nearly every aspect of this game, an assumption that cannot stand and I have been working for some time now to fix. The assumption is that the game universe will never change, that we will never have to actually deal with anything outside of Earth's atmosphere. Yet we have to prepare for the time when there will be new Core Settlements, that may be on different worlds, that may not have atmospheres with Oxygen or biospheres that ever produced liquid hydrocarbons. A discussion of the liquid hydrocarbon consumption of these Settlements may be meaningless, we can have no expectation that we know what are the major energy sources of these Settlements.

Because we have to begin to lay the foundation for the introduction of environmental damage as a formulaic and automatic thing in this game. In a discussion of Germany's environmental toll, I would much rather base it off in part on Germany's non-renewable energy consumption than merely just Germany's liquid hydrocarbon consumption.
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:09, Tue 30 Jan 2018.