So, I understand ESA's "surveillance" satellites ar not fully deployed yet...



To ease thing on following Combat Cycles, and as I agree in your time saving measure; would it be useful for the players to tell their intended purchases beforehand (e.g.: Initiative will be used to purchase up to 2 columns and bonus for next turn), so that you could use it to the best of yuor understanding but according to players' wishes?
This message was last edited by the player at 15:16, Fri 30 May 2014.

In reply to Germany (msg # 27):

>So, I understand ESA's "surveillance" satellites ar not fully deployed yet...
See sec 12.0 par#1 sentence#2 of versio20140501 Technically the wording just leaves it up to the GM if they are to be counted or not. Which is the point where I remind you that I did ask if there was anything going on in the world relevant to the situation that I should know about, like building a spy satellite network, ... because I didn't know. Which is why there is always sec 3.0 point#6 of version20140501

>would it be useful for the players to tell their intended purchases beforehand
The problem is that there is a d10 roll added to the initiative so we do not know ahead of time what is the total. Even if we change things to do some variation of discounting/removing this roll the players are still not going to know the total points available until the final lineup of forces, as those points available depend on things like 'most' or 'only' etc. So you still cannot have the players tell you what they can afford to get, except only in the most general terms, ahead of time. Fortunately the calculation for initiative is not (supposed to!) come up all that often.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 21:42, Fri 30 May 2014.

Ok, Sorry, I assumed that being it in the Eurocorps and German pages it would be known.



That's what I meant, general directives (off course you cannot give exact ones when ther's a reandom factor in it.

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 20):

-Minor correction to Chinese forces based on the 'China_Military_2025' file.

-Revision of the Russian allied forces. I found the original notes.

-Something that was not properly updated in the rules proposal file posted to the main website was the statement that because of the time consuming back and forth it would take in our PBEM format, the GM will choose which units take damage based on first those with 'Heavy' ability, then strongest, then greatest mass. 15 Initiative points to reverse that order. So yah, I messed up on the encounter results too, but it does not really change anything. I will update the text of the rules on the website in a while, but first I want to figure out what to do about the problem with missile interceptions that Lluis pointed out.

While reviewing the combat as was described, just wanting to ask for a clarification (as I think this should also be used for uss all to see how the system Works).



(bolds are mine)

I understand the bold multipliers are for quality. If so, those units being veteran, shouldn't it be 1+0.5 instead of 1+1?

Rules, 12.1:



Needless to say, I don't intend anything to be changed, just being sure I understand well the system. After all, I guess numbers won't change too much...

In reply to Germany (msg # 31):

You are only just now figuring out that I messed up ;), I have known for days. It is history now, there is still nothing that can be done about it.

Player Iran says:

In Iran´s defence

The evil degenerated colonial west and its allies are once again on a crusade to take over or destroy all who refuse to bow down to the almighty dollar. Now the turn has come, yet again to Iran.

This time the enemy has allied itself with Kurdish terrorists who have been proved to be supported by the Israeli aswell.

Iran is fighting together with our good neighbor China to stave off this injust attack. We call upon the international community to speak out against this aggression. In order to show that we only want to defend ourselves we have not and will not fight outside Iran or our waters (ie the Persian Gulf).

Iran has not sought this fight. We are fighting at home, in our garden, protecting our families and homes. Can the American, English, German, Russian say the same? No, they have crossed oceans and mountains to come and attack us at our homes. Is this just? No

Please stand up with Iran today or you might be next.

Forces Available
USA/UK
hex I23

1 Aircraft Carrier (Heavy)
3 Naval Veteran Multirole Plane Squadrons
1 Naval Veteran Multirole Helicopter Squadrons
2 Veteran Attack Submarine Squadrons
1 Veteran Frigate Squadron
4 Veteran Destroyer Squadrons
2 Veteran Cruiser Squadrons
1 Veteran Helicopter Carrier
1 Multirole Helicopter Squadron
2 Marine Elite Multirole Plane squadrons
2 Marine Elite Multirole Helicopter Squadrons
2 Marine Support Helicopter Squadrons (Transport)
1 Elite Multirole Helicopter Squadron
2 Experienced Support Helicopter Squadrons(Transport)
6 Elite Multirole Plane Squadrons (Stealth ability)
1 veteran Aircraft Carrier group  - HMS Invincible
    -2 elite multirole planes squadrons(Harriers)
    -1 veteran support helicopter squad(CCC)
2 veteran Destroyer squadrons
1 experienced corvette Squad
 2 Spy Networks
2 Comm Network
2 GPS Network

I21
1 Veteran Bomber Squadrons (longrange)
Saudi Arabia
-Hex J23
• 2 exp SAM brigades
• 1 exp ABM brigade
• 5 vet multi-role squadrons (keeping NFZ)
• 5 exp multi-role squadrons (keeping NFZ)
• 2 green support helo squadrons (AAT)
• 1 exp frigate squadron
• 2 exp patrol squadrons



Iran
Hex H20 Kurdfront
5 Experienced Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
10 Green Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
4 Green Artillery Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 2x Combat damage=Reserve status
10 Green Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5,) 1x Combat Damage=Reserve status
6 Veteran Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Airborne ability) 1x Combat Damage=Reserve status
5 Experienced Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
3 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5)
4 Green IRBM squadrons (Space 7.7)

Hex H22 (H21 missing...) Turkmenistan border
1 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability)
1 Reserve Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)

hex I22 Iraq border
2 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability)
5 Reserve Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)

Hex I23 Gulf navy and coast
1 Experienced Destroyer squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
2 Experienced Frigate squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
5 Experienced Patrol/Corvette squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
10 Green Patrol/Corvette squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
2 Experienced Attack Submarine squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
2 Green Attack Submarine squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
3 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.2)
4 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5)
4 Green SAM Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) (if they can have effect at sea, otherwise deploy to H20)
5 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Stealth ability) Combat Damage=Reserve status
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability)
5 Reserve Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
2 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5, Airborne Assault Transport ability )1xCD=Reserv

Hex I24 Pakistan border
2 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 1x Combat Damage=Reserve status
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability)
4 Reserve Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)

China
hex H20 - Hamadan
1 Experienced Support planes squadron (CCC)
4 Veteran Multirole planes squadrons
10 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons
1 Veteran Bomber planes squadrons
8 Experienced Bomber planes squadrons
6 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Transport)

hex I23: Bandar-e Emam Khomeyni Sealift
2 Experienced Aircraft Carrier (Amphibious Assault Transport)
    - 2 Experienced Multirole Squadron (Amphibious)  -each Carrier
    - 1 Experienced Support Helo (Amphibious) -each Carrier
    - 1 Experienced Mechanized Brigade (Amphibious)  -each Carrier
1 Veteran Destroyer
2 Experienced Destroyer (Reserve)
3 Veteran Frigates Squadrons
2 Experienced Frigates Squadrons
1 Veteran Attack Submarine
1 Experienced Attack Submarine
3 Experienced Destroyer Squadrons (Amphibious Assault) (1xReserve)
6 Experienced Mechanized Brigades (Amphibious)
3 Experienced Infantry Brigades

1 Spy Network
1 Comm Network
1 GPS Network

Russia
hex H19 Syria 3 Experienced Multi-role Plane Squadrons (T-50)
              2 Veteran Mechanized Brigade (BMP-4) -1 is 'Reserve' status at the moment due to only have just been moved in.

hex G18 5 Experienced Multi-role Plane Squadrons (T-50)  enforcing NFZ H22
        5 Experienced Multi-role Plane Squadrons (Kazahakstan/Turmenistan/Uzbeckistan planes)

hex G24  1 Experienced Cruiser (Slava)
         2 Experienced Destroyer Squadrons (Udaloy &Sovremmenny)
         2 Experienced Frigate Squadrons (Steregushchy)

1 Spy Network
1 Comm Network
1 GPS Network

Free Kurdish Republic
Military-Ground 7.7, Mil Rank 4
1 Veteran Mech  Brigade w\Israeli commandos & other assets (SAM, Stealth)
2 Experienced Motorized Brigades (SAM)
3 Experienced Infantry Brigades
4 Green Infantry Brigades (Stealth)
4 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth)


-------------------------
Initiative

Iran/China
-2 most Reserve
-2 alliance
+2 most air
+2 most Support
=-2 +9 roll = +7
Use to:
1xChange die roll by 1

Russia/stans
-2 alliance
=-2 + 10 rolled = +8
Use to:
1xChange die roll by 1

USA/UK
-2 alliance
-2 Most Heavy
+2 Most Vet or Elite
+2 Most Spy
+2 Most GPS
+2 Most Comms
+42 tech 7.1 avg vs. tech 8.5 avg
+16 lowest Mil Rank: 1 vs. 3
+8 from previous
=70 + 1 Roll =71
Use to:
1x Reverse order of Combat Cycle
1x Reverse order of Damage
1x Force one ‘Hidden’ status to be revealed
2xColumn shift
1xChange die roll by 1

Free Kurdish Republic
+2 Most Stealth
=2 + 9 rolled = 11
2xChange die roll by 1


Saudi Arabia
= 0 + 6 Rolled
Use to:
1xChange die roll by 1


Order will be
Saudi Arabia 6
China/Iran 7
Russia 8
Free Kurdish Republic 11
USA/UK  71
This message was last edited by the player at 19:22, Wed 18 June 2014.

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How does the reversal of order for the Combat Cycle choosen by UK/USA affect Saudi turn in this Combat Cycle?

In reply to Saudi Arabia (msg # 36):

Instructions from Liam is not to use it unless some other side tries to reverse the order. So in this case, it is a defensive measure to revert things back to the 'normal' order, if needed.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:47, Thu 19 June 2014.

For the rest of the Turn at least I have asked David Harris, the player for Brazil, to run the affairs of India. If your nation has done anything with regards to India this Turn then now is the time to let me, and him know. You can contact David by sending a Private Message on this site to Brazil, be sure to make clear you are actually addressing India and to CC me (Combat Cycle ref) and Andreas (Japan).

I have not allowed India to start with any forces in hex I23 or I24 and only a 1 sub, 2 corvette force in J24.

I am sure we are all eager to get the Turn moving but in light of this new addition I will hold off until sometime of my choosing late on the 20th of June to advance things, hopefully this will be enough time for everyone to adapt and send a few messages. This does not mean I am going to allow any of you to completely change your orders that you sent in, you wrote them with the knowledge that India existed, so they are basically set. I am just recognizing that I brought David in late to the party and he might want to do something so you all should have some chance to react.

Wellcome to the mess David



I guess some Indian naval forces (probably light ones) will be in L24 or adjacent hexes, as they participated in the international anti-piracy misión there (along with Germany, South Africa and China).

Actions for Saudi Arabia

Space: NA
Air: Abort attack
Naval: Abort attack
Ground: NA

Actions for China/Iran

Space:                                                 and then
                                                    up          down
                                                 up                  down
A salvo of rockets leap into the sky, they go up                          down, aiming for the NATO ships in the Gulf

with conventional warheads
5 Vet IRBM tech 7.7 Base Combat Strength is 2.
5 Exp IRBM tech 7.7 Base Combat Strength is 2.
4 Green IRBM tech 7.35 Base Combat Strength is 2.
Total Attack is 1697

Total Defense of all NATO forces in I23 is 12344, reduced to 3086 because this is an attack from above. Ratio is 1697/3086 = 0.54 rounded down to 0.5, so column 1:2 is used, NATO uses their initiative advantages to shift this to 1:4. NATO and Chinese/Iranian initiative advantages changes to die roll cancel out.

22:02, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 8 using 1d10. China/Iran Space Attack I23.

Result 100/0, damage to Attacking units ignored because weapons of defenders cannot reach back to origin. Final result 0/0

Zoink!!!

And the world breathed a collective sigh of relief, as the missiles were not nuclear armed, and they missed their targets.  Were it not for the second, tens of thousands would have died.  Were it not for the first, tens of millions would have died.

Actions for China/Iran (continued)

Air:
Total Attack is 6858 (of all available air units the Chinese Support-Transport do not assist)

Total Defense of all NATO forces in I23 is 12344, reduced to 9386 because this is an attack from above though some are Air units and others have SAM ability. Ratio is 6858 / 9386 = 0.73, so column 1:1.5 is used, NATO uses their initiative advantages to shift this to 1:3. NATO and Chinese/Iranian initiative advantages changes to die roll cancel out.

23:07, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 5 using 1d10. China/Iran Air Attack I23.

Result 100/0

The following Chinese Air units are reduced to Reserve status
1 Experienced Support planes squadron (CCC)
4 Veteran Multirole planes squadrons
10 5 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons
1 Veteran Bomber planes squadrons
8 Experienced Bomber planes squadrons

The following Iranian Air units are reduced to Reserve status
3 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons
4 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons

No NATO units are reduced to Reserve status
This message was last edited by the player at 18:47, Mon 23 June 2014.

https://www.youtube.com/v/xslM...rel=0&autoplay=1

This is the BBC with a special announcement - we now go to 10 downing street for an announcement by the Prime Minister.

....

I am speaking to you from the cabinet room at 10 Downing Street. Earlier this morning Chinese and Iranian forces in the Persian Gulf began moving towards the British and American forces in Saudi Territorial waters participating in the international No Fly Zone over the Kurdish region of the middle east.

Given that Iranian and Chinese forces had been reported as violating the No Fly Zone currently in force the senior task force officer, Vice Admiral Richard Charkabrati, took the decision to dispatch a flight of Harriers from HMS Invincible along with several light ships into the path of the Iranian and Chinese forces as they crossed into Saudi Territorial waters. This was done to warn away Chinese and Iranian forces moving as if to threaten his command, and both I and the government support his decision completely. The forward British forces were then fired upon by the Iranians and Chinese.

Following this action no UK forces or NATO forces were reported to have been damaged significantly, though in response our forces seriously damaged a Chinese destroyer.

This minor action did not dissuade the Chinese and Iranian forces from closing with the NATO task force.

As I speak to you our forces, alongside our allies, are engaged in a struggle against Chinese and Iranian forces who have attacked them without warning. This battle is still raging in the Persian Gulf.

Approximately 10 minutes ago I was informed that a large launch of Ballistic missiles had been detected in mainland China and these missiles were being tracked on a western course - given the situation in the Middle east and the possibility the Chinese had decided to launch a nuclear first strike against us or another of the nations currently opposing them I, as other European leaders, felt there was no choice but to employ emergency measures to try and prepare our nations for a potential nuclear attack - One I admit I personally believed was imminent.

Thankfully, no nuclear attack has taken place - I say again, there has been no use of Nuclear weapons.

The launch we detected was aimed at our forces in the Persian Gulf - we are still awaiting confirmation of what has happened but early indications are that this missile attack was completely ineffectual.

Despite the possibility for civil unrest and disruptions the use of our emergency broadcast system could have caused and the understandable terror all of us felt I am proud and humbled by the strength, determination and fortitude most of you have shown since the first emergency broadcast. I know as we face an uncertain future that together as a nation nothing will prevent us from achieving our ends.

This attack against our men and women in uniform aiding our allies in preventing the massacre of the Kurdish peoples by the cabal currently in power in Iran, who are now clearly being supported by the the government of the Peoples Republic of China, is a clear act of war, and one that cannot, and will not, go unanswered.

Tonight you can go to bed happy and relieved that the worst has not come to pass, but tomorrow you should know that we, alongside the rest of the world, march to war.

Alongside our allies, both those currently bound to us in treaty and spirit and those who will no doubt come forward distressed and shocked by this further escalation by China, we shall be going to the aid of the Kurdish peoples. We have a clear conscience. We, and our partners, have done all that any country could do to establish peace save stand aside and allow a peoples to be massacred.
The situation in which China can not be trusted to restrain its militarism and no people or country could feel themselves safe has become intolerable.

Finally, I know the BBC world service is carrying my voice not only to the people of the UK but to many others around the world. I want to speak directly to those of you caught in the current combat in Iran. Regardless of your race or creed I assure you, NATO and its allies are not your enemy. We are involving ourselves in your affairs to prevent the cabal of despots in the form of Iran's supreme ruler and guardian council from undertaking a campaign of extermination against the Kurdish peoples who have risen up in protest against oppression and percicution they suffered under the rule of these men - Men who have sold you and your nation into Chinese slavery in exchange for nothing more than the protection of their privilege and power and who have proven willing to exterminate their fellow man on a massive scale to preserve their own power and wealth.

In the forthcoming months you may find Nato and its allies engaged in war against these despots and their minions, but we have no desire to conquer you or render you slaves to us as your leaders have rendered you slaves to Chinese ambition.

Should the time come, you will be offered an opportunity to help cast off the oppression of those who are willing to prostitute their people for no reason more than their own greed. You have the chance to redefine not only how the world see you but in what you as a people stand for. Do not be persuaded by those who currently rule over you that they are the only option you have, that Nato and its allies are the servants of Satan, that you must resist foreign interference in their plans to annihilate a portion of your countrymen simply because they are Kurdish.

I know many, indeed most of you, are believers in the Muslim faith. As you face the days to come you will be told by many of your clerics to resist us. Many will have been seduced by the power they currently enjoy, the privilege afforded to them by your current rulers or the belief that we are somehow evil regardless of our actions, other will oppose us because they truly believe we are in the wrong. As you consider where you stand I ask you to look to the Koran itself and remember

" be persistently standing firm for Allah , witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness"

Islam as a faith does not, could not, support the actions of those men who in their conceit have suborned your nation to their greed following the revolution of 1979.

I call on you to take the side of Righteousness, I beg you to cast aside your preconceptions of us and consider instead what we are doing and have done. Do not let distrust or hatred of others blind you to what is happening - stand with us in defense of your fellow man and in defense of justice against those who call themselves men of god but have sold you and yours for no greater cause than their own pride and greed.
This message was last edited by the player at 09:08, Mon 23 June 2014.

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 43):

Actions for China/Iran (continued)

Air: Iran vs. Russia&allies in hex H22
Iran
3 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons from H20
Total Attack is 453

Russia&allies
5 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.6)
5 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 6.5)
Total Defense of all forces in H22 is 1742 Ratio is 453/ 1742 = 0.26, so column 1:4 is used. Russia and Iranian initiative advantages changes to die roll cancel out.

23:05, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 9 using 1d10. Iran Air Attack H22.

Result 60/20

The following Iranian Air units are reduced to Reserve status
1 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons(Military-Air 7.1)

The following Russian Air units are reduced to Reserve status
1 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons(Military-Air 8.6)

---------------------------

Naval: Chinese/Iranians attacks NATO I23
Total Attack is 2599 (Carriers and Reserve quality ships do not participate.

Total Defense of all NATO forces in I23 is 12374 Ratio is 2599 / 12374 = 0.21, so column 1:4 is used, NATO uses their initiative advantages to shift this to 1:6 . NATO and Chinese/Iranian initiative advantages changes to die roll cancel out.

23:44, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 7 using 1d10. China/Iran Sea Attack I23.

Result 100 / 0

The following Iranian Naval units are reduced to Reserve status
1 Experienced Destroyer squadrons
2 Experienced Frigate squadrons
5 Experienced Patrol/Corvette squadrons
2 Experienced Attack Submarine squadrons
2 Green Attack Submarine squadrons

The following Chinese Naval units are reduced to Reserve status
1 Veteran Destroyer
3 Veteran Frigates Squadrons
2 Experienced Frigates Squadrons
1 Veteran Attack Submarine
1 Experienced Attack Submarine
2 Experienced Destroyer Squadrons (Amphibious Assault)


No NATO units are reduced to Reserve status
This message was last edited by the player at 18:45, Mon 23 June 2014.

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 46):

Actions for China/Iran (continued)

Ground: Iran vs. Kurd in hex H20
Iran
Use of WMDs by Artillery brigades
Total Attack is 4526

Free Kurdish Republic
Total Defense 1108

Ratio is 4526 / 1108 = 6.08, so column 6:1 is used. Kurdish and Iranian initiative advantages changes to die roll add up to +1 for Kurd.

12:41, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 7 using 1d10. Ground: Iran vs. Kurd in hex H20. Modified to 6 due to Kurd init advant

Result 0 / 100

The following Iranian units are reduced to Reserve status
None

The following Kurdish units are reduced to Reserve status
1 Veteran Mech  Brigade w\Israeli commandos & other assets (SAM, Stealth)
2 Experienced Motorized Brigades (SAM)
3 Experienced Infantry Brigades
1 Green Infantry Brigades (Stealth)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:46, Mon 23 June 2014.

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 47):

Actions for Russia&Allies

Space: None
Air: Continue to enforce NFZ
Naval: NA
Ground: NA

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 47):

Actions for the Free Kurdish Republic

Space: NA
Air: NA
Naval: NA
Ground: The following Kurdish units move to H19
1 Veteran Mech  Brigade (SAM, Stealth) CD 1xReserve
2 Experienced Motorized Brigades (SAM) CD 2xReserve
3 Experienced Infantry Brigades CD 3xReserve
This message was last edited by the player at 18:23, Mon 23 June 2014.

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 43):

Please note the changes to Chinese/Iranian Air units reduced to Reserve. My apologies but I had completely forgotten to take into account the effect of armour on this combat. Usually I do not like to make changes after the fact, it tends to cause more problems than it solves, but I think I caught this mistake early enough that it should be ok.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:56, Mon 23 June 2014.

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 46):


Please note the changes to Chinese/Iranian Naval units reduced to Reserve. My apologies but I had completely forgotten to take into account the effect of armour on this combat. Usually I do not like to make changes after the fact, it tends to cause more problems than it solves, but I think I caught this mistake early enough that it should be ok.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:56, Mon 23 June 2014.