@ Tan Xiaohan

<evil GM laughter here>

@ Zek

To be fair to Jane, she didn't know Hickok had gone 'round the bend until he started shooting innocents, and then she was hit on the head. She always did swear like a trooper, though. She's really a decent person most of the time...this game is pretty full of shades of gray like that.

Re: Maddox being extremely confused about why the guy he thinks ran out on him is trying to kill him, or re: Thunder Walker already having a name but being forced to help out by doing all LAD's laundry?

The first one. Because that was exactly what I was thinking of. Though Bullock won't be happy with Maddox, either, when he learns why Janet sicced the cult on him...

Wasn't Laughing Calf the good cop to Horn Chips' bad cop when providing more information to Art and Rabbit about the Ghost Dance?

He was!

Ah, family, who needs them...at least he can truthfully say that Janet just turned up one day and declared herself his secretary? 'cause he did amost arrest her on sight.

You're right. Never mind. I'd forgotten about that. But he's still the Good Cop to Horn Chips.

In reply to Tan Xiaohan (msg # 766):

Was not wild bill always a pretty awful person in real life? I got the idea he was, and the circus he had going was just pr for him...

[confused] Circus? I always heard he was a lawman/scout who spoke out against lynching...maybe you're thinking of Buffalo Bill (though he was definitely a good guy)? Or maybe his bad traits sank in the Atlantic.

I know he shot a bunch of people, but most famous Americans of the era did that.

I don't think there's much for Wild Bill being an awful person, honestly, unless there's something specific that I just don't know about.

There are a lot of people of that era who were up to a lot of different things. It was a turbulent time in the country, and there were a lot of people out there who got good at killing during the war wandering the west and trying to make their futures. That list includes outlaws and lawmen alike.

None of these people were saints and surely some stories were exaggerated, but I at least tend to take a more favorable look at those who were lawmen like Wyatt Earp and Wild Bill.

In reply to Tan Xiaohan (msg # 774):

Yeah, I am thinking of the other bill. Although Hickok was a famous Indian hater.

At that point in time, that hardly makes him stand out. Not saying it is good to be an Indian hater or alright if everyone else is one too, but it certainly doesn't on its own make him any worse than most people at the time.

Aye, him and everyone employing him to scout and kill them...I think hating them from an armchair Back East (and boy did they) might actually be worse than hating them whilst they're (justifiably) killing you back, and he was never a scalper. Those were serious frontier monsters. Not much out there worse than a white scalper.

Sidestepping the real Hickock's merits and vices, though, being the best friend/lover of a horrible person doesn't automatically make one a horrible person too. If they know the other is scum and are all right with that and want to join in, that's one thing, but if they don't know, or if they do and are trying to stop the other...? It is not so simple, really. Especially where the bond may be romantic, because most of the worst black-hearted psychos aren't obvious black hats, and lovers may well be victims: falling for the mask and desperately trying to get that "good person" back when it's taken off. In this instance, I don't think Human!Bill is coming back...

My bias here, of course, is not only that Game!Calamity is Rabbit's friend, but that the real one is one of those on my list of people who need hugs if I ever get a time machine. She got so far from being that 12-year-old kid raising five siblings on anything she could earn, then wound up pretty much useless, vagrant, and ended drinking herself to death. Just...dammit, Marthy, you could've had so much.

I am ridiculously charmed by the specificity there. <3

In reply to Tan Xiaohan (msg # 778):

My point was in reguards to Jane-was she assinting Hickok? Of her own will while he did terrible things-even as a harrowed? In Zek's estimation she was. That may be an incorrect conculsion, but right now Wild Bill is in his way-and anyone on his side is not on Zek's side.

I don't think he had enough information to judge either way (she was assisting him without knowing he planned to kill people other than Swearengen - whom she hated for being a trafficking boss - then got knocked out, and still doesn't know what a Harrowed is, much less that Bill might be a manitou), but he doesn't seem the type to give any benefit of the doubt, it is true. [passes moltov cocktail]

Oh, and Wilder - the fact that James pronounces 'baubles' like Johnny Cash is the Best Thing. [so much glee]

In reply to Tan Xiaohan (msg # 781):

Well, she kept speaking very highly of him, and they did arrest her for something criminal...not that all criminals are villians, and all villians criminals...

I thought all Jane said to Zek was "blarghlll~*" ?

...and unfortunately for him, Maddox isn't the Marshal, or even a deputy, so the arrest was never official...and the law doesn't know what happened to her, so she'll be assumed on the run and anything left of her will probably never be found. [pause] Zek is just going to sound nuts when he starts going on about this, as no-one else can remember the place existing...

That and she called him a cocksucker, and wondered where Bill was while dazed, concussed, and being carried around like a shank of lamb.

Well, she was speaking tenderly of him in her sleep, too.




Then there is Maddox's version of events...



Finally, while the house may or may not erase people's memory of it-I don't think it does that to people who have been inside of it. I mean-I still remember it, and I am pretty sure the wizards who live there remember. And Maddox had to go inside to drop Jane off-and the clan who lives there reguards Maddox as a cousin...

edit-Also, I interacted with Maddox outside of the house. How much memory can the thing erase? Is it prefect memory wipe, or imprefect? Is it 'minor NPC' wipe, or full PC erase everything?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:29, Wed 11 Feb 2015.

HAHAHAHA...sorry, Zek. It's just hilarious that Calamity can't go two minutes of consciousness without swearing at something.

I'm reminded of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Dcl2aUzsc (for non-Father Ted fans, the senile/alcoholic old priest was asleep until that torch was shone on him)

"Why, Bill, why?"...sounds more like asking 'why the bloody hell did you start killing people?' than 'why [something romantic]?' to me.

So...Zek took Maddox's word that it was her shooting people with some random dressed as Hickock blamelessly wandering around...after meeting Demon!Hickock? I think Zek's manitou has more hold on him than he thinks.

The House's removing itself wouldn't affect Zek because he's supernatural, and probably won't affect the full-blood Whateleys for the same reason, even Janet (though it'd be funny if it did). It'll be fun to see just what Maddox does remember...

In reply to Tan Xiaohan (msg # 786):

Maddox's story could be independtly verified-although granted Zek does not trust him all that much right now. He does not know what happened with Hickok and Jane, only they are connected. Granted Hickok is rabid-but that does not mean that Jane is innocent.

Maddox is a Whateleys realtive, so he very well may share thier immunity.

The difference between you and Maddox is that you're Harrowed, and Maddox isn't. Oh, and the House tried to kill you, which tends to make more of an impression than it does on those it just tried to spook a bit.

As for the depth of how deep it can erase...that's rather fuzzy. People who've been inside it when it was laying in wait probably remember just "staying at a boarding house of some kind" and couldn't tell you where. People who've never been inside it have forgotten it was at that location completely. Those it has actively tried to harm, or those who have been protected (such as the Whateleys) will have the clearest memories of it. Those who have supetnatural powers are also more likely to remember things (Maddox is a Hexslinger...not a powerful one, he relies more on his regular fighting skills, but he does have some magic about him)

In reply to The Stray (msg # 788):

So, as I met Maddox outside the house, and given his conenctions to the Whatelys, being inside, and being supernatural himself, chances are he should remember me-and has a good shot at remembering the house and Jane.

He remembers that he paid a guy to watch over Jane, which he stashed in...some house, and when he got back, the guy he'd paid and Jane were gone. He also knows his family is in town...somewhere, he thought he knew a minute ago, it's right on the tip of his tounge, see you, just give him a minute to think...

In reply to The Stray (msg # 790):

And as a hexslinger, he does not think anything is wrong with that?