Tycho:
Is that a cause or an effect, in your opinion? Does getting married cause you to be more committed, or do people get married because they've made more of a commitment, in your view? Also, in this day and age, I'm not sure that it really does show a deeper level of commitment, based on the rate of divorce (which is perhaps your point).
Yes, being married causes you to be more committed. It is harder to break up, there are legal ramifications, so it is more galvanizing in helping you work out differences and problems instead of just breaking up. Absolutely.
As for the level at marriage, it's hard to say. Of course, people who are willing to go that extra step and the entire process of marriage are certainly demonstrating a certain level of commitment, but that's a case by case thing.
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Nobody's children have a choice in the matter, though. That's nothing special about these kids.
I see what you're saying, but it's not her specifically I'm talking about. She's a very prominent and exaggerated display of what is going on all over America. It's what she stands for that I'm really talking about, and all the kids across the country in similar situations.
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I might think people who indoctrinate their kids with religion from an early age are harming my innocent fellow citizens, but I don't feel I have any right to stop them from doing it.
First, that would be opinion, and not a reasonably sufficient harm in any case. This woman, for example, already had one of her kids walk off and get lost for hours because she wasn't watching, and now she has 8 more. In any case, she's being investigated by CPS, so that should tell you something. And they certainly aren't any better off for being poor, on welfare, with no father and 13 siblings...hard to argue against that, I think.
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And like I said, compared to all the other things my tax dollars are paying for that I don't like, this is way down on the list of things that get me upset. compared to $12 billion per month for the iraq war, I just can't get all that worked up about something like that.
(Notice how I trust your statistic without requiring backup and derail this topic, even though the number fluctuates and $12 billion is just the 2008 number, and it was cheaper during different times.)
I quickly looked up welfare costs. I didn't find the latest stats, just up to 1995, but over 20% of our gross domestic product was spent on social welfare programs. That was over $1.5 trillion in 1995 and is probably much higher now.
So:
Cost for the war: about $12 billion per month
Cost for welfare programs: well over $125 billion per month
So it is not fair to use the cost of the war as the concern. If money is your concern, welfare programs cost 10 times as much as the war each month, so under the standard you stated, you should be much more concerned about the welfare programs.
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Compared to other places my tax dollars are going, this is neither that big, nor that offensive.
Hmmm....see my comment above. Not big???