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Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code.

Posted by katisaraFor group 0
katisara
GM, 5306 posts
Conservative human
Antagonist
Thu 21 Jun 2012
at 00:08
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Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code

This thread is to discuss those rules of behavior which are universal to all societies.

I think it's fair to say that if a code of behavior is followed or believed by 90% of all people in the world (so not including criminals, sociopaths, people raised by wolves, or other fringe members), it's 'universal'.
Doulos
player, 56 posts
Thu 21 Jun 2012
at 12:23
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Re: Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code

The reason I disagree with this is because in wartime conditions humans turn into animals that throw much of the universal moral code out of the window.

This seems to demonstrate to me that this code is based only on societal norms and not anyting else at all.

If you look at the way that so many of us treated one another in WWII then you can see how when conditions change so do the things that we deem "allowed".
katisara
GM, 5307 posts
Conservative human
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Thu 21 Jun 2012
at 12:57
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Re: Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code

Doulos:
This seems to demonstrate to me that this code is based only on societal norms and not anyting else at all.


I don't think that's an unfair assessment. I'd argue that morality is based on relationships (for religious people, that includes relationships with God). An individual with no relationships has no need of morality. Because society is nothing but a web of relationships (and war is the intentional destruction of those relationships) it would make sense that a 'universal morality' applies "only" to socialized people, and perhaps does not apply to war-time.
Alexei Yaruk-Mundhenk
player, 40 posts
Ad Majoram
Dea Gloriam.
Thu 21 Jun 2012
at 13:01
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Re: Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code

We are not debateing if humans are inherently good or evil, that is a different thread. What we are examining is do human socities have a comon code of morality and I contend that if we restrict ourselves to ones which did not colapse and/or implode they do, which is as follows.

quote:
1: Do not harm pregnant women. (Period.)

2: Thou shalt not kill: except in justice. (Killing other human beings is only permitted if they are doing or have done something that the socity deems heinous enough that allowing it to continue is worse than murder. In almost all cases being part of or suporting "the enemy" falls into this catagory.)

3: Thou shalt not steal: except in justice. (Stealing is considered wrong, unless the person stolen from has violated social conventions with respect of obligation to help the broader socity with their wealth and accomplishments, then they become a valid target.)

4: Do not harm children without good cause. (Good cause in this case can sometimes be stretched quite far. The obvious example is that of parental discipline, but sometimes things like child slavery are justified thus saying things like "at least they have food and somewhere to sleep.")

5: Do not do to others what you would not wish them to do to you.*
* Unless they have made themselves acceptable targets by violating social convention.

Doulos
player, 57 posts
Thu 21 Jun 2012
at 13:34
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Re: Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code

katisara:
I don't think that's an unfair assessment. I'd argue that morality is based on relationships (for religious people, that includes relationships with God). An individual with no relationships has no need of morality. Because society is nothing but a web of relationships (and war is the intentional destruction of those relationships) it would make sense that a 'universal morality' applies "only" to socialized people, and perhaps does not apply to war-time.


I wonder then if it's more helpful to think of it as a universal culture that has many shared cultural norms, and to just leave morality out of it completely.

Particularly since the morality of those cultures seems to change based on certain factors, but at least among most cultres there is a shared shift in the morality when circumstances change (such as wartime).
katisara
GM, 5308 posts
Conservative human
Antagonist
Thu 21 Jun 2012
at 13:52
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Re: Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code

I see your point. So what are the Universal Cultural/Social Mores? i.e., the rules that everyone follows as a member of a functioning society, regardless as to whether we believe them to be morally right?
Alexei Yaruk-Mundhenk
player, 41 posts
Ad Majoram
Dea Gloriam.
Thu 21 Jun 2012
at 16:51
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Re: Let's All Agree Here: Universal Moral Code

That's how I veiw it anyway, but I tend to think of it as cultural morality. That doesn't mean that it is always consistent, or that it matches up with personal morals at all well, but that is how I see it.
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