A requested topic for Kathulos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...6Y&feature=inbox

I'd like to just point out that Replacement Theology seems mean-spirited and out of God's Nature. As a Fundamentalist Christian, I find that Replacing Israel with the Church seems contrary to God's Word. The Old Testament clearly states that the Promise of Abraham was that the nation of Israel would be exceedingly great. This is both a spiritual and a physical promise. Jews today comprise less than 2 percent of the world's population.

Yet Abraham's seed was said to be as inumerable as the stars. The New Testament states that few people would make it to Heaven. Therefore, Abraham's seed is not just spiritual. It must be physical. So there must be a One Thousand Year period where Jesus reigns on Earth for the Jewish people to multiply.

This is an incredibly nuanced topic that biblical scholars have a hard time parsing out.

I'm not entirely comfortable with supersessionism myself, as I think it's not quite so clearcut as what many would want to believe, but making the leap you've made to claim that there will be some sort of 1000 year reign seems a little quick.

I don't even hold a premillenial viewpoint though, so I doubt I will understand or relate to much of what you are espousing.

I think that what's pretty clear-cut to people who take the Bible for what it says is that the Jewish people are in need of Salvation but that the land is their's.

I disagree that it's clear cut at all, particularly when it comes at the cost of treating Palestinians as subhuman animals.

Well sometimes I believe the Israelies do go too far in protecting themselves.

I don't agree anyone should mistreat anyone but the Palistinians are often treated orders of magnitude better than they are portrayed as being treated.

If you've heard of Rachel Cory, for example, you've heard too much. That's one magnificent blow-hard, PR story.

I don't know who Rachel Cory is.

I think that believing that the state of Israel MUST be in existence is actually about as counter-gospel as you can get. If God did not actually complete the work of salvation via the cross and resurrection then sure, argue that there are other things like a state of Israel etc that are needed.  But adding to salvation seems to be an extremely odd thing for anyone who claims to be a fundamentalist to be doing (even though I know that's the stand most fundamentalists take)

The problem is that God is the God of all things. He isn't JUST the God of Salvation. He's the God of the world, the God of everything, and he says that Israel is a part of his plan.

Yes, the plan of Salvation was completed, but guess what, Jesus is coming soon, and when he comes back, Israel/Jerusalem will be his capital.

I completely disagree with that view of reality, but such is life :)

I won't argue or debate with you about it then, but I'd like for you to maybe explain in rmail so other people don't debate it with you either.

Not much to debate or explain.  You hold a completely different view of end times than I do, so you thus have a different view of Israel etc.

EDIT: Jesus has also been coming 'soon' for 2000 years now.  That should be a red flag...
This message was last edited by the player at 17:43, Fri 17 Aug 2012.

Ah, okay.

Keep in mind though that most of the media's coverage of Israeli abuse of Palistinians are often exaggerated or completely wrong.

Not really. The doctrine of eminency is that we should always be prepared to be with Jesus. For 2,000 years he hasn't returned yet. This teaches that whether we could die any moment or that Jesus comes back for us at any moment, we need to be ready.

I am sure it goes both ways with that.  I do know that there are Israelites occupying the homes and eating off of the tables of Palestinians and it is an atrocious injustice that those Isralies should be internationally condemned for.

I also am fully against terrorism.

I'm fine with living life as if it could happen at any moment as long as there is a realization that that moment may not happen for 15,000 more years as well.

Ah yes. Well, it's clear with the sign(s) of Jesus'es return. Jerusalem was taken in 1967. . . That was a major Prophetic milestone for the Jewish people and the return of Jesus. The scriptures even said that Israel would be reborn as a nation in day, and it did, in 1948.