DFRPG adjustments?   Posted by Narrator.Group: 0
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 899 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 23 Sep 2017
at 10:30
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Dareos Madrigar:
Important question for the conversion.

Armor costs and weights are different (as are armor enchantments!).  Are we grandfathered in with what we've got, converting to the new equivalent and ignoring the cost difference, or do we need to sell back our armor at full price and buy new armor with that same money?


And what about those of us who don't (and probably won't) have the DFRPG book?
Narrator
 GM, 4447 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 23 Sep 2017
at 12:25
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 41):

I am grandfathering in current equipment, and will charge new rates for any new armor. I  don't  have the pdfs, so the new bits may be represented by shoddy phone pucs in private threads.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1190 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 9/10
Sat 23 Sep 2017
at 16:59
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Ardenas Barehand:
And what about those of us who don't (and probably won't) have the DFRPG book?

Armor and weapon costs are taken straight from Low-Tech (AFAIK).  I'll be cross-checking more thoroughly as time goes.

New Enchantments are simply following this rule:  Everything* is Slow and Sure.

So all prices are 20$ per energy point.  This means new Cornucopia quivers are 2,010$.

* Except the Staff spell because Wizard's are cheating bastards.


And Narrator, I can help post weapon and armor costs and weights (and other weapon stat changes if necessary) as well.

Personally I think everyone should switch over* (weapon and armor stats) at the end of whatever adventure they are on (or now if they aren't in the field).  If people can't keep something really important (like the new armor weight puts them past their acceptable encumbrance limits) maybe hand out a few Lighten enchantments?


* I think I'll end up losing 1 DR on Jareth and Ulo as I think I think I used the weights from basic, which is more forgiving (and as both are edged right up against an encumberance level, I'd like to keep them trim).  Jednesa doesn't wear armor (though her axe/mace might get heavier).  I'm sure Stenet will lose some speed, he can't afford to downgrade his armor at all.
Chye Isuel
 player, 861 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Isuel!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 23 Sep 2017
at 19:15
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
yeah, i'll probably never get the new book either. i don't even have any DF stuff. i have a collection of 4e pdf books, that were relevant up to now. xD
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1255 posts
 blue haired
 mountain elf
Sat 23 Sep 2017
at 22:24
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 44):

Have most of the Basic set, DF and most Techs, but not the new ones. Be some time before I get that sort of cash...
Chye Isuel
 player, 863 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Isuel!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 01:09
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
i mean, i'd invest in books if i were playing with live groups, but for post-by-post gaming (although i love it, and plan on staying on, til the servers crash) i wouldn't go invest in so much, for the sake of it... if that makes any sense.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1256 posts
 blue haired
 mountain elf
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 05:39
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Narrator:
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 10):

The flying elementals cost 6 rather than 4 points. On the other hand, having one as an ally costs 4 character pts;


Actually, I just noticed: this is for summoning. Cost for creation is double, effectively making it unusable for Christine as the recovery time would exceed the duration the elemental would hang around, not to mention the effects of zero FP, even factoring in skill (she does not have many FP). The previous elemental was built on 20 cp. Given how often she had used this in the past, suggestions on how to roleplay the sudden change?
Gorgath
 player, 385 posts
 HP 20/20 FP 11/13
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 07:10
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
The Grand Vizier of the Fire Elementals has grown tired of your continuing summoning of his subjects and now prevents you from summoning now until he is appeased.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1257 posts
 blue haired
 mountain elf
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 07:47
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Gorgath (msg # 48):

Se did not summon: she created!
Dareos Madrigar
 player, 304 posts
 Dark One/Cleric o Sethygg
 HP 12/12 FP 12/12 PI15/15
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 07:54
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Jareth Mooncalled:
Armor and weapon costs are taken straight from Low-Tech (AFAIK).  I'll be cross-checking more thoroughly as time goes.


For the few types of armor I've cross referenced with Low-Tech Instant Armor, they're close but not precise.  Light Cloth torso armor, for example, is $53 6.3lb in DFRPG.  Padded Cloth is $50 6.0lb in Low-Tech: Instant Armor.
Chye Isuel
 player, 864 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Isuel!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 07:57
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Elements of eternity, above and below...

Balance of essence, fire begets snow...

Locktwarr danalora luatha danu...
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1258 posts
 blue haired
 mountain elf
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 08:02
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Dareos Madrigar (msg # 50):

From memory, I think most of my characters did armour out of Low Tech. So that should be OK? Perhaps a list of what is available in a thread?

Chye???
Chye Isuel
 player, 865 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Isuel!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 08:05
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
someone will get it.... we're all mostly 30+ xD
Dareos Madrigar
 player, 305 posts
 Dark One/Cleric o Sethygg
 HP 12/12 FP 12/12 PI15/15
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 08:13
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 53):

Do we have to be 30+ to get a Willow reference?
Dareos Madrigar
 player, 306 posts
 Dark One/Cleric o Sethygg
 HP 12/12 FP 12/12 PI15/15
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 08:14
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Christine Bjorn:
From memory, I think most of my characters did armor out of Low Tech. So that should be OK? Perhaps a list of what is available in a thread?


Yeah, that'll have to be left to the GM.  I can't post that information.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1192 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 9/10
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 08:41
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Gorgath:
The Grand Vizier of the Fire Elementals has grown tired of your continuing summoning of his subjects and now prevents you from summoning now until he is appeased.

Well that's certainly a hot situation.  To bad Christine couldn't just wait for him to cool off!




Dareos Madrigar:
For the few types of armor I've cross referenced with Low-Tech Instant Armor, they're close but not precise.  Light Cloth torso armor, for example, is $53 6.3lb in DFRPG.  Padded Cloth is $50 6.0lb in Low-Tech: Instant Armor.

You forgot to account for the fact that Body in DFRPG covers the neck, Low-Tech Instant Armor does not on it's Torso armor.  Add 5% to weight and cost...
Dareos Madrigar
 player, 307 posts
 Dark One/Cleric o Sethygg
 HP 12/12 FP 12/12 PI15/15
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 08:46
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Jareth Mooncalled:
You forgot to account for the fact that Body in DFRPG covers the neck, Low-Tech Instant Armor does not on it's Torso armor.  Add 5% to weight and cost...


I absolutely did forget that.  That explains so much.  I didn't understand why they would make such a slight but consistent deviation.

So other than the combining of that location for simplification and some naming adjustments, it appears to be accurate to Low-Tech: Instant Armor.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1193 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 9/10
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 08:53
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Christine Bjorn:
Perhaps a list of what is available in a thread?

What is listed in DFRPG as available armor:

DR	Armor Type
1	Light Cloth, Leather, or Fur
2	Heavy Cloth or Leather
3/1	Light Mail
3/2	Light Scale
3	Light Segmented Plate
4/2	Mail
4/3	Scale
4	Segmented Scale
5/3	Heavy Mail
5	Heavy Scale
5	Heavy Segmented Plate
5	Brigandine
6	Plate
7	Heavy Plate
8	Extra-Heavy Plate
9	Epic Plate

This message was last edited by the player at 08:54, Sun 24 Sept 2017.

Chye Isuel
 player, 866 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Isuel!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 10:26
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Dareos Madrigar (msg # 54):

few people i know born after 1985, even remember willow. xD
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1259 posts
 blue haired
 mountain elf
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 13:55
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 59):

Do you have weights and costs of them jareth?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1194 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 9/10
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 18:31
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Christine Bjorn:
Do you have weights and costs of them jareth?

Yes... but that's more typing than I wish to do right now*.  Do you have Low-Tech or LT: Instant Armor?

Everything except Heavy Plate and Extra-Heavy Plate are right in Instant Armor.


* I can start putting something together later today or tomorrow.
Oly
 player, 935 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 1 Guild badge
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 18:42
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 58):

Brigandine is suddenly much heavier than it was... used to be metal plates on light leather or worn over a light gambeson.  Layering armor was common.

OK Checked  Low Tech and the lighter version is there ... but is considered TL 4
 TL 4  Light Brigandine     DR 3      $900      10 Lbs.

At TL 2 and 3 you have to use the heavier Jack of Plates,  same DR and only $300 but weight is  18 Lbs.
Gorgath
 player, 386 posts
 HP 20/20 FP 11/13
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 19:07
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
Oly:
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 58):

Brigandine is suddenly much heavier than it was... used to be metal plates on light leather or worn over a light gambeson.  Layering armor was common.

OK Checked  Low Tech and the lighter version is there ... but is considered TL 4
 TL 4  Light Brigandine     DR 3      $900      10 Lbs.

At TL 2 and 3 you have to use the heavier Jack of Plates,  same DR and only $300 but weight is  18 Lbs.


It's actually LIGHTER than it should be.

Base DR of Brigandine is 3, using the Heavy Plate option means each +1 DR is $450 and 5 lbs.

The DR 5 version should cost $1800 and weigh 20 lbs.

It's actually a good deal.

EDIT:

Oddly the Body version is correct but the Legs location is not.

This message was last edited by the player at 19:09, Sun 24 Sept 2017.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1260 posts
 blue haired
 mountain elf
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 19:25
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
In reply to Gorgath (msg # 63):

As mentioned, have used LT, but understood this differed a little, and it was the differences that I was interested in. But for future reference, having it all in one place would be good. Including spider silk armour lining...
Gorgath
 player, 387 posts
 HP 20/20 FP 11/13
Sun 24 Sep 2017
at 19:27
Re: DFRPG adjustments?
From what I can tell, they changed the Leg cost/weight modifier from 100% to 75%.