Answers, pending GM approval...or editing.



"We asked around the guild if there were any building available, and were told to ask at the Hadereum. When we did so, they mentioned that there was recently a number of structures here granted to adventurers or guild members or something, so we came here to ask."



"Not here. We arrived last week, and were told we needed to join some organization or be charged as vagrants. Since Benito wanted to get into business, the guild seemed the safest group to join. For both of us. Well, especially for me, I suppose."



"Benito can make and sell stuff. He has his own equipment in a large secure box. I...do security for him. And source things for him to...sell."



"Right now, you don't. And we don't know you can be trusted, either. But sometimes we just need to take a chance."



"Alive. Hopefully found some incredibly rich asshole whose wealth I found a legitimate way to transfer to my own account after his most timely demise."



"Huh? I try to stay away from spirits and undead..."

Whoa... part of the group?  Hang on now...

According to the map, Basement access should be through 4, the Bone Gate should be under 7 or 8.

But eh, that's just my rough map from gwythaint's in thread description from his "I'm not using a map"* style.

I did also confirm back then (when we first took individual rooms) that the Bone Gate wasn't under whicher apartment had the basement access.  Which is probably more important than my "I'm not even using measurements or a scale"* map.  ;)



* So if we combine his No Map GMing style and my No Scale, No Measurements mapping style we get a completely accurate in all ways map.  That's just how it works, right?

We can have Brodak use the Basement access room/building/apartment/condo or whatever it is...

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 29):

The bone gate in my spotty memory would have been in the common area under the garden. All of the other houses had basements, but the access to the gate area was barred on both sides... this is my recollection. The cultist area was outside, tnrough the (bronze) gate the Bhole pushed through and accross the way. So dar you have only seen the cultist area and the iron door as having stairs, the rest of this level is connected to the one below with ladder wells.

I edited the map based on a few things people mentioned.
* The Drakes wanted a corner home
* Building 4 provides access to the basement, so I moved Jareth and the Ymid there
* Jocelyn goes next door for...reasons.
* Nodwin will want to be close to the tunnels, so he moved
* Clarence seems more religiously inclined, so I put him next to the refugees
* People will think twice about defacing property when there is a grumpy ogre watching them from across the street

I think that works out better, actually, for at least the one night.  We can figure out the rest when the next day is done in game.

I can't do more until we figure out the map situation.  You guys tell me if you want me to take the plunge.  I can guestimate something from what you have mentioned in passing.  If we go that route, then you'd need to refine it to what the GM thinks is right.  Once we finalize something, we can just assume that previous observations may not have been completely accurate or something.  :)

Okay.  I'd specified taking an apartment directly above it a few times and you never said "it's under the garden"... or he'd have probably slept out there at least once...

Sigh, bonna have to renovate one of the basements next to it then.

All of the other houses had basements, but the access to the gate area was barred on both sides... this is my recollection.
If by barred you mean "bricked up basements and a collapsed wall on one side and an ironbound door on the other", that matches what was described in thread.


There was no "across the way" through that gate.  That gate opened into a T intersection, msg #623 link to a message in this game

The Bone Gate room was actually a bit of a distance south of there, though the distance was an ambiguous "a ways" and there was a slight curve (not represented on the map).  So if the tunnel curved back towards the Bone Gate area that could easily account for it being under block in some fashion.

I am going to have to reread all of this and present you with a real map.
Wednesday? That is the next time I have a couple hours free.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 34):

Early maps:



https://drive.google.com/folde...Dg4ZFveE1KII5kSKKtvO



That 4way intersection between the two ruined rooms and the bone gate has a small room to the other direction
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:47, Tue 18 June 2019.

FWIW, those match pretty well with my recollection, at least of the underground sections.  I don't recall seeing a map of the street level before.

I was under the impression that the kitchen was at a dead end, Nodwin declared it in msg #280* (and wasn't corrected), however I've reread the thread and that wasn't mentioned by Gwythaint, so we'll need to explore that way before we do anything permanent down there.

And there was no 4 way beyond the summoning portal as per msg #308:






* Against the Cult: link to a message in this game

Quoted from link to a message in this game  msg# 991



When did Anita and Benito get added to the Juniors such that they should be buying into the Junior House?

At first they were going to be someone (Clarence's?) Allies.  Then they became secondary characters...  and now they are 'full fledged' members of the group?  Without any discussion?
This message was last edited by the player at 01:29, Thu 27 June 2019.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 38):
i mentioned an interest in joining junior house to that effect, as well. just think of the block parties we could have!

As a Player, I think the new Characters should earn a voice at the table (ie vie roleplaying) before purchasing a seat at the table (buying into the Base, Ind Inc, etc).

But that's just my 2 cents.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 40):
Agreed.

In reply to Leroy du Lac (msg # 41):

Looking forward to it...

I don't disagree.  Benito's already been some help, he got us the use of the donkey and cart without spending any house funds.  All I offered Leroy was a meal for some "extra hands" help moving Benito's (very heavy) stuff out of the Guild.  Seems like a pleasant enough sort, though.

In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 43):

Your neighborhood is likely to get popuated on the perimeter by other junior types, although they aren't considered part of the subguild

May  make a diplomatic suggestion?  I don't remember the exact placement of all the parts, but I recall the important parts.  It has been a bit of time since I looked at it.

I'll preface the discussion by agreeing with Jareth.  They should earn their place at the table.  At the same time, I can see where the newcomers might have a lot to add with skills, as they were originally intended to help us shore up the house

Nodwin has yet to haggle over the buildings across the street from our main city block.  Depending on how that goes the main Juniors group may or may not gain control over them.  It has yet to be decided.  However, we have privately agreed the newbies will not be informed of the basement access to the sewers, the bone gate, and all of the other goodies we have already uncovered.

Perhaps we should break into 2 parties, as the GM suggested.  We can operate autonomously, but when necessary we can come together as a larger whole.  The old group can maintain the city block as we have been.  The new group can take up residence across the street in the homes with no access to the undercity.  Everyone gets some space, but they can pay for theirs out of their own pockets, while still getting a good initial set up.

As payment to Nodwin for procurement (and assuming that goes well), they can handle fixing up the structural defects of the buildings.  That was the original plan, and would work well with story line.  The refugee followers of Vejovis could handle the cleaning and organization in the meantime.

That would allow the older group to get back to adventuring.  The newer group could handle some logistics and organization as something of an orientation, and then head off on their own set of quests.  Maybe they are related to what we're doing, maybe they aren't.

I think it works out to be a nice compromise, with everyone getting most of what they wanted, while it also maintains continuity within the established groups.

Sound like a sound set of ideas?  All in favor?

In reply to Nodwin Zideqick (msg # 45):

Benito is going to be busy a while, but Anita is looking for work to pay for it...

In reply to Benito Drake (msg # 46):

Anita, Leroy, Wiley and whoever else joins on can be a new group.  Benito is essentially opening a business, and working directly to improve things.
If the group accepts him directly, there will be definite work to do in the vicinity of the bone gate and its approach, shoring up the whole in the wall everyone has been climbing through, and preventing the rubble being loaded into the pit from pushing over the wall, in one area at least, there was a small hole that led to the surface, large enough to let sunlight into the room.  'Elga the henormous would be available for hire to assist with that from her end, for roughly the base rate of hire for a laborer.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 47):

hopefully, all the weird stuff, stays on their side of the street!

I believe that Nodwin and Jareth came to the same conclusion and agreed that we'd do the work ourselves, between his Shape Earth (or Jocelyn's?) and Jareth knowledge of Architecture (skill 11).

And if it comes to it, Jareth has a Masonry default of 12.  He'll just knuckle down and do the work himself (with Brodak's help with the heavy lifting).

Oh, boy.  With Brodak acting as the crane, that leaves us ordinary folks to carry your hod, then.

For that matter, Jocelyn probably also has a decent Masonry default, it's IQ-4 after all.




Nah, you and Mel will be the plumbs and levels.