Out of Character 8.   Posted by Narrator.Group: archive 0
Aldous Hack
 player, 90 posts
 Housekeeper's orphan,
 Street runner, rogue
Thu 6 Feb 2020
at 00:01
Re: Out of Character 8
Huh?  What?  Was that opera?
Grimaldi
 player, 593 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Thu 6 Feb 2020
at 01:50
Re: Out of Character 8
a night at the opera, in fact.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1793 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Thu 6 Feb 2020
at 06:46
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 942):

Lol, How can you not know Bohemian Rhapsidy by Queen? Shame on you!
Aldous Hack
 player, 91 posts
 Housekeeper's orphan,
 Street runner, rogue
Thu 6 Feb 2020
at 10:07
Re: Out of Character 8
This player used to sing right along with Freddy back when Night at the Opera was fresh and new.  Aldous, however, is barely an adult, born after Freddy died...
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1794 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Thu 6 Feb 2020
at 10:15
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Aldous Hack (msg # 944):

In a different world...where Freddy may have thrived! Oh, wait, he pretty much thrived here, really.
Dareos Madrigar
 player, 383 posts
 Dark One/Cleric o Sethygg
 HP 12/12 FP 12/12 PI15/15
Thu 6 Feb 2020
at 14:39
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Narrator (msg # 931):

That's correct. Dareos was originally created for a game where there were numerous demi-gods and room to grow.
Narrator
 GM, 7382 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 7 Feb 2020
at 01:18
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Dareos Madrigar (msg # 946):

May the coils of great Sethyg heal your wounds! Bets are the 0pt effect of getting resoration would involve peeling out of one's old skin!

Ardenas is working on a healer type, might be a bit. New player may be onboarding.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1795 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 7 Feb 2020
at 22:08
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Narrator (msg # 947):

Sounds good. Should Christine post in the guild thread to look for extra members?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1394 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 7 Feb 2020
at 23:50
Re: Out of Character 8
I may be a couple more days before getting the character sheet(s) to Gwythaint; I don't have a bunch of experience building healers and priests, so I'm going slow to be sure I don't miss anything.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1797 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 7 Feb 2020
at 23:56
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 949):

No worries. Let me know if you need help.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1395 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 7 Feb 2020
at 23:59
Re: Out of Character 8
Thanks.  I got some good suggestions from Gwythaint based on the backstory I gave him, I just need to follow through the base template and those suggestions.  Extra time needed, too, because there's also an ally/dependent, who is an acolyte with a point total between henchman and full adventurer, which requires adjusting the template a bit.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1798 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 05:48
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 951):

I must begetting old and forgetful: do we use the scale in Magic for how expensive powerstones must be, or the one in Dungeon Fanatasy 1?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1879 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 07:52
Re: Out of Character 8
Christine Bjorn:
I must begetting old and forgetful: do we use the scale in Magic for how expensive powerstones must be, or the one in Dungeon Fanatasy 1?

We switched over to DFRPG, so we're using Power Items from DF/RPG.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1799 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 08:05
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 953):

So this one then, right?

Value  FP
 $50    1
 $120   2
 $220   3
 $340   4
 $490   5
 $670   6
 $880   7
 $1,100 8
 $1,400 9
 $1,700 10
 $2,000 11
 $2,400 12
 $2,800 13
 $3,300 14
 $3,800 15
 $4,300 16

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1880 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 08:32
Re: Out of Character 8
Christine Bjorn:
So this one then, right?

Value  FP
 $50    1
 $120   2
 $220   3
 $340   4
 $490   5
 $670   6
 $880   7
 $1,100 8
 $1,400 9
 $1,700 10
 $2,000 11
 $2,400 12
 $2,800 13
 $3,300 14
 $3,800 15
 $4,300 16

Yes.  But don't you already have a Power Item?  You can only have one Power Item.  So if you acquire a new one, the old one is still your Power Item until you perform the "one day of treating the new one special" and it becomes your new power Item and the old one stops being a Power Item.

Power Items aren't enchanted like Power Stones are, Power Items simply are.  An items' value as a Power Item is equal to its value as a mundane item (so don't count enchantments)... and not that you have to worry about it, but Meteoric items can't be Mana-user Power Items.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1800 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 09:40
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 955):

Yes, but power items can be increased.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1881 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 15:13
Re: Out of Character 8
Christine Bjorn:
Yes, but power items can be increased.

/thumbsup.gif


I need to figure out how to make Jareth's Power Item useful to him... it regens 1 point per day, so so far it's been paying for his Weird Dreams... but now that he's leveled up as an Elder Cultist a Sage Spellcaster, yeah that's the ticket, sage spellcaster... err, anyway, now that he has a few, err, spells, he's gonna need that Power Item to have actual Power.

Or somehow learn an Elder Cultist a Sage version of Recover Energy... maybe Steal Gently Massage Energy...

This message was last edited by the player at 15:14, Sat 08 Feb.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1882 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 19:07
Re: Out of Character 8
I hope the Mage Hunters need another Squishypokler... cause I just made a stealthy one.
Narrator
 GM, 7392 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 21:06
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 957):

I think you may have to key your portal properly and poke the staff through. Item in question is a bit odd though, it is a magic item that allows casting by squibs like you... I am not certain that you can have a spellcasting device be a source for psi energy. If you use normal fp to channel energy to it, and any psi energy reserve and any power item energy to power psi, then good, but we have already played out charging it magically...if we cconsider it an item with dedicated power (its built in spells only, as if it were an old school wand) then cool. You would need a psi poer up device, like a crystal or a pyramid hat.
Narrator
 GM, 7393 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 8 Feb 2020
at 21:27
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Narrator (msg # 959):

A gentle reminder to all: Any reduction to attributes,  primary or secondary,  count toward your disadvantage total, not your attribute total. If your template has 40 points of disads listed, it is because it usually has a reduction to basic speed, will, or perception. These are all disadvantages,  and choosing to reduce an attribute means you picked a disadvantage.

Counting it the other way was a 3e thing, where it counted toward the attribute total if under 15 points.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1883 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 9 Feb 2020
at 00:07
Re: Out of Character 8
Narrator:
I think you may have to key your portal properly and poke the staff through.

I'd prefer there are be some cost associated with it.  Perhaps a Religious Ritual (Elder Thing) roll and resources spent in the ritual?  Bring it to being on par with the cost of recharging regular Power Items.


I'd say, "Or just switch it over to being recharged like a regular Power Item" but then Jareth would have to be slipping off the the Evil Elder Thing cult to get it topped up... and he's actually hunting them, so it'd be awkward.


Have you given any thought to switching Heroic Items over, or, allowing them something similar, say a physical/meditation ritual and (expensive) essential oils rubbed into it so the Weapon Masters, Trained by Masters, and Heroic Archers can have their Power Items recharged?



quote:
Item in question is a bit odd though, it is a magic item that allows casting by squibs like you...

It's an enchanted Casting Item, just other Wands, Staves, Jewelry.  Nothing odd there.

quote:
I am not certain that you can have a spellcasting device be a source for psi energy.

By the RAW?  Yes, we can.  It's no different than a Cleric's Holy Crozier having Puissance, Lighten, and Shatterproof enchanted on to it.  Nothing stops it from being the Cleric's Power item.

quote:
If you use normal fp to channel energy to it, and any psi energy reserve and any power item energy to power psi, then good...

Well, yes.  The Casting enchantments require Mana/FP, his Psi abilities and spells require Psi energy/FP.

As a Power Item, it holds Psi Energy.

quote:
...but we have already played out charging it magically...

It has never been Charged (as in Recharged via paying $5/FP).  The only energy ever used from it's "Power Supply" as a Power Source has been the 1/day it recharges and that has been to pay for the Weird Dreams ability.

Technically it started play at 0 FP... because neither of us realized you can't hand your Power Item to someone else to use couldn't (and so couldn't actually ever have a Magery based Power Item, so it's always been Psi based).

quote:
...if we cconsider it an item with dedicated power (its built in spells only, as if it were an old school wand) then cool.

It has never been a Self-Powered Casting Item.*  And there are no Self-Powered casting items in DF/RPG, there are only User Powered, Always On Enchantments, Charged, or Single Use items now.

quote:
You would need a psi poer up device, like a crystal or a pyramid hat.

Sure.  See my above comments about some sort of Ritual.




* You keep thinking of Power Items as Powerstones/Manastones.  They aren't.  Non-Mana (Non-Wizard/Bard) Power Items work irrespective of Mana Levels.  A Cleric, Holy Warrior, or Druid Power Item only works where they can use their Divine/Nature's Strength based abilities, so they 'require Sanctity/Nature's Strength'.  Wizard and Bard (and anyone using Magery based Powers or Spells) Power Items only work where their powers work, so 'require Mana'.  Heroic Power Items, Endurance Power Items, Sage Power Items, and Psi Power Items don't care about Mana, Sanctity, or Nature's Strength.

That's because the 'power' of a Power Item is based on and in the user†.  It's better to think of Power Item's being like Dumbo's Feather rather than like Powerstones.

Yes, they are recharged in Town, but that's because Kromm/Sean Punch didn't want to deal with daily recharge rates, with PCs learning Enchantment spells, etc (which is why Power Items aren't enchanted‡ and don't recharge on their own‡).


† Despite it literally being in the Item and only usable if you can touch the Item.  But it's not there based on "an enchantment" or "ritual" or anything else.  You want to sell your old Power item and have a new one?  Do it!  There is nothing stopping this, the new Item just starts at 0 FP and has to be Recharged as per normal.

‡ Which burns my biscuits that Kromm/Punch made Psi, Heroic, etc Iems Passive Recharge... and Endurance Items are actually an Enchantment that costs $2,000.  WTF Kromm?!?!?!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1396 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 9 Feb 2020
at 01:25
Re: Out of Character 8
Okay, done here for tonight, off to spend an hour or two with templates and Basic Set...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1884 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 9 Feb 2020
at 02:48
Re: Out of Character 8
Ardenas Barehand:
Okay, done here for tonight, off to spend an hour or two with templates and Basic Set...

That was my yesterday deciding to finally put my spear fencer together...
Narrator
 GM, 7394 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 9 Feb 2020
at 14:47
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 961):

Mechanically, and by price, power items are effectively manastones; they (generally) do not charge passively, and need one shot recharging for cheap.

That said, poking the item into a field of Eldritch energy should restore a psi item in a day's tome, like parking a crystal underca glass pyramid,  or dipping it into a pool of energy, rather than waiting a few weeks.
Narrator
 GM, 7397 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 9 Feb 2020
at 14:54
Re: Out of Character 8
In reply to Narrator (msg # 964):

Just a few more posts and then I archive this thread