Wow, I should have read a little longer/more carefully.  I spent a half hour last night putting together a first hack at a 62 point "rogue" -- and now I see I have another 13 points to play with.

Fine point question, though -- do attribute reductions below 10 always count against disads?  I recall it used to be 8 or lower, but that may be something that changed between 3rd and 4th editions.  If so, I may only have 3 points left (due to 50 point disad limit).

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 416):

Unless it is part of a racial template, attribute points do usually count against disads, though it often depends on the GM.

Is your theif the grabby or stabby sort? Mine is more specialized in utilizing pointy things in subtle ways, though with 15 Lockpick, she can open stuff. But sleight of hand and pickpocket are much lower...but with filch at 14, I probably should utilize these skills more...

Several... oh wait, you mean the actual Template?  ;)




By RAW, yes.

Another GM on this very site once ran a large group of 50 point orcs and goblins against a small group of 250 point knights.  It was a tower scenario, where the goblinoids had to invade and kill the inhabitants, pretty standard stuff.  I found that game quite enjoyable as a pure combat game.  It was a challenging build because you had to be combat effective but still competent at climbing and other sorts of stuff.

Larger point games mean you can be good at IQ skills AND DX skills at the same time.  Smaller point games mean you tend to be more specialized.  However, with a good mix of characters you can function almost as efficiently.  You're only going to have one person with Merchant, for example, instead of 3 at varying levels of skill.  And only half the party will be any good in a fight, so the combat challenges have to be tailored to the skill of the group.

I 100% agree this is usually a GM issue as much as it is a player issue.  The GM has to find challenges and a story line appropriate to the group as constructed.  I don't typically GM because it's way more involved than it looks (from my perspective).  Plus, creating a good story line really seems like a talent to me.

Don't forget the player issue, however.  Many of us gamer types like to min/max our characters to make them insanely good at some class of skills (or spells).  It's nice to have an almost guarenteed success, and be mostly automatic at one role in the group.  However, a smaller point total means there will be way more gray area, as in way more uncertainty in just handling more mundane tasks.  Not every gamer will be comfortable in that space.

I personally try hard to manage my tendency towards being a power gamer.  It's not always easy.  Thankfully improving a character over time ends up being just as much fun for me, so I can live in the character development space.

Mostly this rehashes a few of the points already made.  But, we can all probably relate to part of what I said.  Thare's a lot more to it than meets the eye.  :)

Carry on.  Very good then.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:38, Wed 21 Aug 2019.

For the sub juniors, I would prefer that the characters be built from these templates. Some of them have reduced attributes already, which is figured into the disad limit, including things like reduced per, will, or basic move.
https://drive.google.com/file/...rj/view?usp=drivesdk

Okay, trying to work from the Thief template -- can't find Manual Dexterity under advantages in any of the usual rule sets.  Ah, wait, found it -- under "High Manual Dexterity".  Okay, back to the sheet edit...

Looks like there's a calculation error in the Attributes total of the Thief template.  I get a cost of 55 for the exact values listed, but the bottom of the template shows 65 for Attributes.  And I still had to take more disadvantages (Unluckiness, Scotophobia CR12) to make -50, even counting the Per 9 (IQ-2) as a -10 disad.

Got it worked out; had to give up a little color (no more having Father Robards as a contact, just couldn't afford the 4 cp, etc.).  Working on equipment now.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:49, Thu 22 Aug 2019.

I'd be interested, but already have enough bodies to marionette.  :)

[Private to GM: Omar has most of a character sheet up.  Needs help on equipment and a few details like attack stats, but I can fill that in later.  Wanted to get at least most of the character up.]

Almost done with my Sub-junior Mage, got equipment left to work on.

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 421):

Eh you can still be friendly with Father Robard, he is just "busy" and you can buy into it. He isn't a very powerful person, and his contact can be occasional.

I have to review the file... Thanks for checking my math!

In reply to Narrator (msg # 424):

I have been under a great deal of stress lately, between work and the decreased control rating of my mental disads, the commissions I am working in, the ftf game I am running tomorrow, and the serious issue of  my spending more time on all o of these hobbies than my marriage. I will definitely be caught up by Sunday. But things may seriously start slowing in the months to cone, as my wife's job will have her working from home, which will cut down on my posting at lunch and during the time she is usually on her way home from work.

And It shouldn't be a problem for any of us ... we have always said RL comes first. That includes wives.

"I've never said that!" protests the unmarried person.

;)

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 427):

Understand perfectly well. I may be heading back to sea at the end of September, so I might likewise be gone.

There's a good reason I haven't GMed in more than ten years.  Takes too danged much time.  I have time to play (in addition to three characters in this game, I'm in two D&D 5th groups each meeting every other weekend).  I don't have time to spend tens of hours a week prepping.

Do what you need to do.  Keep the wife happy -- else everything else goes to hell.

Old wive's tales!

*Gives the side-eye*

In reply to Hetilda Yurick (msg # 431):

Delay in Al Menir is waiting on Haveron, who is the group leader. I need to know if we are stopping in the rooms first, reactions from cityfolk depend on it; if not there will be more fighting in the way to the sage.

I didn't expect to be off this weekend, wife was out of town and so I expected to have plenty of time.  Then that morphed into a giant house project and poof...  There it all went.

Have a post up this morning as I get caught up.  Sorry for the delay.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 432):

Ohh, burning fighting? Burning down the house...

In reply to Gareth (msg # 434):

Haven't been able to post; yesterday I was visiting my mother (she is well and planning a trip to Portugal);
Today was grossly overscheduled at work, worked through my free time, break, and after hours. Plus it was enema day.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:34, Wed 28 Aug 2019.

I bet you were gushing with excitement.

.....Sorry, I'll just mark him down for a new 25 pt disad now.

In reply to Aegis (msg # 436):

It is really a lot rougher on the patients even when I have more mess to clean up. Coming to the hospital is tantamount to an alien abduction. I try to alleviate the stress and anxiety, or at least of coming to my department. I have been working in health care for 29 years this December, and ten in radiology. I have been a patient myself on several occasions, and I see a lot from their end.

Just the same, this was my day:

https://drive.google.com/file/...6d/view?usp=drivesdk

In reply to Narrator (msg # 437):                                                                    taco day at the cafeteria, and enema day, on the same day!
This message was lightly edited by the player at 02:28, Thu 29 Aug 2019.

so, this var is the same var that's with berry, and works at the illicit magic shop. he can apparently teleport back and forth, and maybe this rethus fellow is the mysterious proprietor of the said shop...shit's about to get very interesting. :P

In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 439):

"I do not own or operate that establishment.  I merely profit by it. You ought question where summonable allies are when not with you."