Near Al Menir.   Posted by Narrator.Group: 0
Var
 NPC, 42 posts
 Goblin servant
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 13:59
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 682):

"I been with Berry da whole time, at least when I don't get called up fir another gig. I think dat one is kinda winding down, tho."
Gareth
 player, 580 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 19:23
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Var (msg # 685):

"Well, I did not see who hit you. Is there anyone else coming?"
Var
 NPC, 43 posts
 Goblin servant
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 23:55
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Gareth (msg # 686):


"I was in the...a friend's shop, and there was a raid by a whole crew, and this bozo carrying Meikka, this sword I ain't fond of, an he lit into me, an chased me into the terminal.  He was about to get in a fight wit a goon I wouldn't mess wit, an I told him he'd be better off here wit us. Guess he's getting his ass handed to im now."

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 13:50, Fri 13 Mar.

Gareth
 player, 581 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 08:50
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Var (msg # 687):

"Oooh, a fight. Is there anything to be gained by joining the fight?"
Var
 NPC, 44 posts
 Goblin servant
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 13:52
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Gareth (msg # 688):

"You can't get there from here. I can only go if I am summoned."
Gareth
 player, 582 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 21:44
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Var (msg # 689):

"And they cannot follow you here?"
Var
 NPC, 45 posts
 Goblin servant
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 01:23
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Gareth (msg # 690):

"Well, dat guy at least can't come through on his own. The gates only open when an inf... one a da local guys switches it on, and then it is open for a second or two."
Gareth
 player, 583 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 01:45
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Var (msg # 691):

"Waaait a minute. When a what? You are not a normal goblin, are you now..."
Var
 NPC, 46 posts
 Goblin servant
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 19:32
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Gareth (msg # 692):

"I yam wot I yam. Dats noimal for me. Wot's it to ya? You never cared to axe nothing about who I was deese past coupla weeks, like I neva axed you about where ya from. I just have an idear bout where ya might end up."
Gareth
 player, 584 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 21:40
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Var (msg # 693):

"You never did, true enough. But everyone else is very concerned about such matters...sometimes they pertain to what your intentions are incertain life or death situations, so it is good to know folk you fight with."
Ryojin
 player, 50 posts
 Martial artist
Sun 15 Mar 2020
at 03:42
Re: Near Al Menir
"I have no concerns." Ryojin chimes as he practices some moves on the side.
Amelia Montaigne
 player, 73 posts
 Agent about town
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 16:28
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Ryojin (msg # 695):

"Personally, I don't care about who Berry has working for her. Aside from that business with the farmer's daughter along the way, but Var did say that was consensual, so I really don't see much of an issue, altho7gh I am not entirely sure what it is that he does for her... in any case, let's look over this man's gear if the consensus is that we can't ask him anything about this place, we may be able to deduce what he was doing by looking at what he had with him."
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 359 posts
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 19:04
Re: Near Al Menir
Haveron watches the whole interplay carefully, and attentively.  As the discussion proceeds, he considers the abrupt arrival by Var from several different angles.  In the end, he nods at Amelia, and moves forward.

"I do not understand all of this magical discussion, but I do understand building a group of people you can count on.  We may not exactly agree on any number of things, but we can all agree that we need each other to succeed on this mission.  Var, I expect you to behave in a manner we would condone while you are with us.  Beyond that, the extra set of hands is appreciated.  Let's examine this man's gear, and them move forward with our task."
Gareth
 player, 585 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 19:52
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 697):

"Odd. I have simple ways to find out this, but you would prefer infernal assistance to talking with the dead...hypocrites." he mutters to himself.
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 360 posts
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 22:20
Re: Near Al Menir
Haveron stops in his tracks, and turns to face Gareth.  The man took every opportunity to needle him, and this moment was no different.  However, He still does not react impulsively.  Instead, in a measured voice, he addresses the mage evenly, with the faintest edge of frustration.  Or perhaps it's malice.  Different people will probably hear it differently.

"I lead this group Gareth.  You have made it amply clear that you do not agree with some of my decisions.  I respect that.  We are all different people here, with different backgrounds.  Not everyone will agree with my opinions, nor will they agree with your opinions.

When we come together for a mutual goal like this, we all agree to work together.  As the leader, I have to make decisions that everyone can be comfortable with.  Some here do not care if you use your  death magic.  However, some do, to the point that they would consider leaving us.  That puts your life at risk, as well as everyone else's.

You suggest Var is some sort of demon.  I do not want him here if that is the truth.  However, I also have to look at the bigger goal out in front of us and make a judgement call.  If he behaves himself, then he can be with us and we might be better off for it.  If he does not I will ask him to leave.  It's as simple as that.

Now, Gareth, that brings us back to you.  I have no problem is you disagree with me.  However, spiteful comments behind my back or under your breath do nothing but destroy our group.  Thus, I will ask the same question I have asked of Var.  Are you going to work with the group, and behave yourself?  Or, do I need to ask you to leave?"


OOC Yes, I know, playing your character.  And I'm absolutely sure you get a kick out of twisting the knife in Haveron's back.  It just happens that his disads point him at building a group, so he will be patient with Gareth.  But, I hope it's clear he is pushing the line here.  That's of course what you were trying to do, and he fell over himself taking the bait, but...  It's how I think this goes down.

I'm going to suggest to the GM that Haveron deserves a medal for this.

This message was last edited by the player at 22:21, Mon 16 Mar.

Gareth
 player, 586 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 07:00
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 699):

"I have worked with the group and even restricted myself to their hypocritical lines of morality, despite not agreeing with them, so far, and if I am going to change that I will make it known.

But since we are here on a hunch of demonic activity at the tower, you have to appreciate my concern of having a character here that uses a portal smelling of sulphur every so often, for his other 'job'. You are so concerned about the safety of the group, so you say, but when the group is threatened by a three headed tiger and I deal with it, you criticize me. When a member arrived from hell through a portal and I and nervous, since we are here to deal with a possible demon, you criticize me and suggest I leave. Is it really the safety of the group you are concerned with? Whatever I have said, I have been consistent and done things to look after the group. You do what you think is best...you will anyway. But hypocrites are one of my pet peeves, so don't be one!
"
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 361 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 15:51
Re: Near Al Menir
Haveron breaks into a wide smile at Gareth's response.  He even chuckles a little bit.  In something of an amused response he asks "Well, I'm not the person on a first name basis with Var.  You have obviously worked together before, because you know him rather well.  You accuse me of being a hypocrite, but I don't think you're any different than me in this situation.  Instead of calling me names, and pointing out my inconsistencies, perhaps you should take a look at yourself first."

Haveron then becomes serious, and it's rather sudden considering his amused demeanor a moment before. His face drains of emotion, and he looks at Gareth coldly, in a pointed fashion.  "Now, I have entertained your behavior about enough.  I asked you politely to curb your behavior, and stop tearing the group apart.  In response to that, you called me a hypocrite.  I have had enough.  Everyone else is standing around doing nothing while I endlessly handle your childish behavior.  While you ask good questions, we would probably all agree that you lack a lot of maturity.  You can keep your opinions to yourself for the rest of the trip, or you can leave.  I won't ask the rest of the group to wait up on you every time you want to whine like a little baby.  The choice is yours.  What's it going to be Gareth?"
Gareth
 player, 587 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 19:29
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 701):

"Again, it is you tearing the group apart. I have said my piece, and raised my concerns. If that is too much for you, then you use your pretense of maturity to kick out any who voice concerns. The choice is not mine, but yours. I have had 400 years in a friggin bottle to think about my values and what I do, and I have them as consistent as I can.

Berry has kept her friend to herself, and I have had no reason to question what he is until now. I would have thought that raised concerns that it would be good to hear answers to, but if you are happy to have a potential infernal amoung you, fine. I can live with that, albeit uncomfortably.

But I am not the one judging others, other than in self-defence. I have constantly been looking at defending the group and looking out for the groups interest, but you seem to consider that divisive, despite the fact that unless i am looking at raising the dead, you are the only one voicing objections. So my intentions have been clear. If your insecurities require asking me to leave so you feel comfortable, you do that. Otherwise, cut the bluster and lets get on with the mission.
"
Var
 NPC, 47 posts
 Goblin servant
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 20:37
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Gareth (msg # 702):

Whispers to Berry:
""I shoulda brought popcorn. My other gig is in retail, an they had some inna shop."

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 17:42, Wed 18 Mar.

Haveron Stormwal
 player, 362 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 21:03
Re: Near Al Menir
Haveron shakes his head.  For several seconds.  The man was completely oblivious to his own failings.  He was so busy attacking everyone else that he could not see his own errors in judgement.  And to have Gareth along would mean baby sitting him the rest of the way.  Gareth considers the possibilities as he thinks, and then responds in a softer voice.

"Many people objected to your death magic.  I made the decision when I judged it would split the group.  Do not blame me for the discomfort of many.

You say that you are only acting in self defense.  Just a moment ago, you judged me a hypocrite.  And I took your bait by responding out of frustration more than I should have.  I lead this group, and need to show more maturity than that.  However, it does not change your bad behavior.

Take a walk, Gareth.  I can see you are frustrated, and responding in a heated fashion.  You need to cool off, as do I.  While you are gone, the rest of us will decide your fate.  I do not believe you can be present for this, because I don't see that you can stop yourself from responding out of anger and frustration."


Haveron will gesture for Gareth to leave, politely.
Gareth
 player, 588 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 06:28
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 704):

"Fine. Have a nice chat."

He heads on in a direction that irks his fancy.

[OOC: Sorry for splitting the group GM, but I have been given marching orders. What directions does Gareth have as options?]
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 364 posts
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 15:10
Re: Near Al Menir
Haveron watches Gareth go for his walk.  It saddens him that they had wasted so much time arguing.  He felt like the rest of the group had suffered while he paid exclusive attention to Gareth.  It didn't seem right, nor did he feel like the group's morale was good at the moment.  Haveron hated asking Gareth to step away, but they needed the time out.  Both of them did.

The situation was tricky, and Haveron did not know how best to handle it.  Turning to the rest of the group, Haveron looks at them, and sighs.  His face looks sad, or even wistful, and he addresses them softly.  "I apologize for arguing with Gareth.  He is very talented, but also very difficult to manage.  I let that frustration get to me.  In the interest of everyone, I also plan to take a short walk to clear my head.  You all would probably agree it is for the best.

While Gareth and I are gone, please discuss a couple things.

First, I would like for you to make a decision on Gareth.  We all welcome his ability, but his view on magic and death in particular makes some people uncomfortable.  I know the Adept in particular seemed uncomfortable with raising the dead.  And, he argues a lot, which is terrible for morale.  We would all agree that having him along gives us a better chance of success.  But, if we ask him to stay, then we also have to manage his opinions and behaviors.  Please decide if you want him to stay, and then how best to deal with him going forward.  For example, he seems to get along well with Berry.  Maybe she should take the lead with him so we can avoid arguments.  I welcome your opinions and suggestions on how best to handle the situation.

Secondly, I would like your guidance on how I have led, and how I can do better.  The past few minutes have not been a very good example of leadership.  Arguing with Gareth resulted in people standing around uncomfortably instead of us working together.  Please help me to navigate these difficult moments with more grace.  I care about us being successful, not about my pride.  The trip has had some difficult moments thus far, and I want to avoid them going forward."


With a slight nod of his head, Haveron wrings his hands for just a second, in a sort of anxious or apprehensive fashion, and then walks away from the group in the opposite direction from Gareth.

OOC  As a reminder Haveron is attractive and has some charisma when he speaks.  Mostly that is for PCs, but I mention it here in case it matters for player responses.

Also, I don't necessarily plan to divide the group here.  Mostly just giving Gareth and Haveron a time out while the rest discuss among themselves.  In real life walking away from these heated moments is just good sense.  I think the same would apply in this setting.

This message was last edited by the player at 15:12, Wed 18 Mar.

Narrator
 GM, 7552 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 17:54
Re: Near Al Menir
Gareth soon finds himself absently walking in a circle, as the ru estones repell him.

In the meantime, who is taking a clorser look at the dead man's gear?
Gareth
 player, 590 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 19:50
Re: Near Al Menir
In reply to Narrator (msg # 707):

Gareth will try to work out the spell ensnaring him after about the first few laps...
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 366 posts
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 21:05
Re: Near Al Menir
OOC I imagine Haveron and Gareth are in orbit around the main group in the middle considering the ring of trees and tablets.