Temple Hill.   Posted by Narrator.Group: 0
Goran the Marked
 player, 183 posts
 Priest of Hors
Mon 21 Oct 2019
at 15:37
Re: Temple Hill
Goran is surprised at this reaction, as he didn't expect the reaction from Urrun.  However, instead of asking his fellow adventurer a question out loud, he instead gives him a quizzical look.  As his eyebrow arches up in a questioning eye gesture, he feels it pull on his facial scar a bit uncomfortably.
Urrun
 player, 240 posts
Mon 21 Oct 2019
at 15:54
Re: Temple Hill
The look on airtime face is inscrutable. , So you send ashes to the next life? Think this is good?
Goran the Marked
 player, 184 posts
 Priest of Hors
Tue 22 Oct 2019
at 14:26
Re: Temple Hill
Goran is taken aback by Urrun's question, but he answers it straight, assuming that the dog-man does not understand how the Shevnian religion works.

"We believe that the spirit of a person leaves his body at death.  The body is left behind, and it is our responsibility to cleanse what is left and return it to the earth, using fire.  The ashes left behind fertilize the soil, and give us the means to sustain ourselves as we move forward with our lives.

Those left behind can celebrate the lives of the dead with a beautiful bonfire.  The dancing flames will keep them warm, and they can celebrate the memories of their loved ones while they watch them leave this world.  It's a wonderful ceremony, full of sorrow but done with much love.  I find that it draws families and friends together, to build the bonds that link them over their lifetime.

Is this not how you do things...?"


OOC Not sure what the tenants of the Shevnian religion are so I went with what made sense.  If incorrect, please let me know.
Urrun
 player, 241 posts
Tue 22 Oct 2019
at 17:48
Re: Temple Hill
Urrun shakes his head violently ... NO, put dead on,  umm,   high table with gifts and ceremony. Then leave, spirit travels away, animals take some sometimes if spirit permits this. All stay away for three moons. Then spirit gone and ... who cares about table.
Goran the Marked
 player, 185 posts
 Priest of Hors
Tue 22 Oct 2019
at 19:39
Re: Temple Hill
Goran's face contorts into something between horror and incredulousness...  It's obvious he's shocked, and almost as a reaction the words pour out of his mouth, even as he feels his heart clench in judgement:

"We would never allow a human being to be treated like this!  That's how you treat animals!  What you describe is barbaric!"

Goran catches himself after a moment.  While his eyes remain wide with shock, he stops talking, although his mouth still moves for a few seconds.  Almost visibly, he wills himself to regain his composure, and his face slowly regains his more customary discipline.  In a more measured voice, he continues a moment later.

"The Shevnian religion does not allow this.  We are very strict on our rituals and practices.  It may be that you have death rituals, but we do not recognize them as valid.  In fact my leadership would identify your ways as something more akin to Shamanism instead of a valid religion.  It's a basic tenant of our religion, and not negotiable.  These people must be buried according to the Shevnian way."

After saying this, Goran sighs.  Then he pushes a gloved hand through his hair, pulling off his helmet as he does so.  The gesture conveys conflict, as Goran feels an internal pull in many different directions.  Religion has defined his whole life, and his connection to his god was strong.  In this moment he was feeling tested, like he had a direct challenge to his religious beliefs.  He could not help but react defensively to this, because it was something so close to his heart.

At the same time, these were the conversations he most hated to have.  There were many good people who were misguided about religion and what it meant.  They clung to pagan rituals, and the traditions of their past, without ever questioning whether they really meant anything.  In most cases they never knew any better, but also had no interest in looking at the bigger picture.

Religion was one place where people were often the most resistant to change, and he guessed Urrun would be no different.  Goran knew that religion would come between them, and he hated it.  However, he had undergone rituals, and made oaths, and he was bound by the life he had chosen.  Even beyond this, it was something he cared deeply about, and that wasn't something he was going to change.

Still, Urrun had proven honorable, even if he was a savage.  Goran recognized this.  It was hard for him to separate the person from the religion in many cases, but in this moment he could.  Thus, he finishes off his comments with:

"Urrun, you have been honorable in fighting against the demons, and against the corruption we found here.  I recognize that.  We have a difference in religious beliefs, and I do not take that lightly.  However, I can separate the two in this moment.  As long as you can respect my ways with regards to these humans, I will not leave or ask you to leave.  However, I cannot proceed in the way you would for your own kin.  This has to be done my way."

This message was last edited by the player at 19:40, Tue 22 Oct.

Urrun
 player, 242 posts
Tue 22 Oct 2019
at 20:17
Re: Temple Hill
So Your relig-eon say do it our way or go away, you bad?  Most relig-eon say this ... although all say things not the same as other ones.
We have many, many life times experience with our way. Not do evil with those be dead.  You do .. I not help, not watch, not stay close to such evil.



Urrun heads for the door to outside, where he will wait.
Narrator
 GM, 6936 posts
 DM says
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Tue 22 Oct 2019
at 21:08
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Urrun (msg # 184):

Two holy types of conflicting religion and a barbarian... what could go wrong?
Urrun
 player, 243 posts
Wed 23 Oct 2019
at 00:00
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Narrator (msg # 185):

God's idea of a true test of his teachings...
Goran the Marked
 player, 186 posts
 Priest of Hors
Wed 23 Oct 2019
at 17:38
Re: Temple Hill
While Goran does not approve of Urrun's response, or his handling of the situation, he also recognizes that he has not been condemned for having different beliefs.  It was an impasse, but also a truce of sorts.  That was the most he could have hoped for, given the difficult situation between them.  For a moment Goran purses his lips, biting back any comments he might have in response to what Urrun said.  Instead, he quietly watches the bouda leave, before going about his business.

OOC Take all the flammables and use them to provision the pyre of bodies.  Take all the corrupted items identified by Urrun and being them along too, so they can be put on the fire at it's height.  Once all of that is done, perform the ritual, and the burn the corpses.  When the fire is at it's hottest, then add anything Urrun identified as corrupted.

You gave us a nice opportunity for RP with this one, but yes...  It is a very difficult position for the 2 characters to be in.  I'm not sure how they reconcile this, if they even can.

Narrator
 GM, 6940 posts
 DM says
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Thu 24 Oct 2019
at 01:36
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Goran the Marked (msg # 187):

I will need a search roll in the flower room to identify what is there, or Per-5. Urrun would have a bonus to this...
Urrun
 player, 244 posts
Thu 24 Oct 2019
at 04:33
Re: Temple Hill
Urrun is willing to do that, but his nose has been deadened by all the scents present and he can't point out anything.
Hograth Podkarmen
 player, 385 posts
 Holy Dwarven Warrior
 Of Hades, Get it Right!
Thu 24 Oct 2019
at 09:38
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Narrator (msg # 188):

Separate from Hograth s roll in message #169?

He has been staying out of this discussion because, frankly, he sees these as demon worshippers who have already been sent to hell, but he is not particularly comfortable with either suggestion.
Narrator
 GM, 6949 posts
 DM says
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Sun 27 Oct 2019
at 00:40
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Urrun (msg # 189):

Urrun starts sneezing repeatedly, causing his ears to pop, and his eyes are itchy and watery from all of the pollen.

Clearing aside the rotting flowers, Hograth finds a set of sigils painted on the back of the altar, and feels something uncomfortable.... IQ+holiness (or power investiture)

This message was last edited by the GM at 00:43, Sun 27 Oct.

Hograth Podkarmen
 player, 386 posts
 Holy Dwarven Warrior
 Of Hades, Get it Right!
Thu 7 Nov 2019
at 04:05
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Narrator (msg # 191):

Hograth definitely feels uncomfortable here...
Goran the Marked
 player, 187 posts
 Priest of Hors
Thu 7 Nov 2019
at 17:51
Re: Temple Hill
OOC Is Goran also feeling uncomfortable, or just Hograth?  You didn't specify, but I believe Goran should be performing a different set of work.
Narrator
 GM, 6994 posts
 DM says
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Fri 8 Nov 2019
at 14:53
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Goran the Marked (msg # 193):

If in the room, he should roll.

As more is cleared away, it becomes evident that this area has been repororposed, and consecrated to something antiethical to nature magic... something quite alien was being worshipped here.
Goran the Marked
 player, 188 posts
 Priest of Hors
Fri 8 Nov 2019
at 15:27
Re: Temple Hill
A few seconds after Hograth feels his discomfort, Goran steps into the room to get another load of flammables, and pulls up short immediately.

"Something is very off here.  I didn't notice it at first, but now that my thoughts are clearer, this evil feeling seems familiar..."

Narrator
 GM, 6997 posts
 DM says
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Fri 8 Nov 2019
at 19:45
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Goran the Marked (msg # 195):

This area has an elder aspect.
Goran the Marked
 player, 189 posts
 Priest of Hors
Fri 8 Nov 2019
at 19:52
Re: Temple Hill
With a sigh, Goran sits down for a moment.  He takes off his helm with a gloved hand and sighs.  "We are going to have to exorcise this room as well.  It seems that some have dedicated this room to the elder beings.  While they are not good or evil, necessarily, they are also not fit for human worship.  We are mere ants to them, and they care not what we do or do not.  This place must also be cleansed."

OOC Since I made the roll by a lot, I took some liberties.  And played disadvantages.
Hograth Podkarmen
 player, 387 posts
 Holy Dwarven Warrior
 Of Hades, Get it Right!
Fri 8 Nov 2019
at 23:40
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Goran the Marked (msg # 197):

"New corruption or old, it all needs to be gotten rid of. Lets hurry up about it so we can find the perpetrators."
Narrator
 GM, 7002 posts
 DM says
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Mon 11 Nov 2019
at 00:05
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Hograth Podkarmen (msg # 198):

The altar might simply be smashed as a start in ridding the taint.
Goran the Marked
 player, 190 posts
 Priest of Hors
Mon 11 Nov 2019
at 19:02
Re: Temple Hill
Goran appraises the situation for a couple minutes as they are looking things over.  Once Hograth speaks up, Goran nods.  "This place must be cleansed.  I agree with you.  Please do what you must to cleanse this area while I handle my people outside.  Those citizens had souls, and by Hors I must make sure their bodies are properly cleaned and prepared.

I cannot sanction your cleansing of this area, but if it removes the taint then it may be sufficient.  When you are done, I will come back and make sure it will meet with Hors' expectations.

While I respect your honor and integrity, Hograth, I must answer to Hors in religious matters.  I hope you understand and respect my clarity on the issue."


OOC As a player, I know an exorcism should be the same everywhere.  For the intolerant Goran, only his way is valid.  I tried very hard to word his reaction in such a way as to show him being a jerk, without fracturing the party if possible.  Not sure if it will work, but the correct approach is a very fine line, almost impossible to find given the situation, really.

That's good GMing, since these are the sorts of no-win situations we sometimes have to navigate in real life...

Narrator
 GM, 7009 posts
 DM says
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Tue 12 Nov 2019
at 00:59
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Goran the Marked (msg # 200):

Urrun breathes in the fresh air at the entrance, free from demonic and otherworldly taint. Neither of these priestly men, the yooman and the dwarf are civilized. Regretfully, Urrun may have to see them done with this place to be made free of the Hadereum so that he might join some of the bouda in this town and be among his own people.
Urrun
 player, 245 posts
Tue 12 Nov 2019
at 03:26
Re: Temple Hill
Urrun considers the choices with distaste, it's almost worth going back to the wilds, although that was a tough life with little future.
If he could fly, he'd pee on the Hadereum again. But the reality was that he had to see these weird savages through their task ... he howls his frustration, nose high in the air,  then turns and heads back in ...might as well get it over with.
Narrator
 GM, 7016 posts
 DM says
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Fri 15 Nov 2019
at 16:58
Re: Temple Hill
In reply to Urrun (msg # 202):

While the yooman is still trying to build a pyre, The short one is trying to knock over a rock... that seems more bearable to deal with.