Returned from the Abbey   Posted by Narrator.Group: 0
Narrator
 GM, 7041 posts
 DM says
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Tue 19 Nov 2019
at 22:15
Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Narrator (msg # 7):

6 used shortbows 6x$50
6 quivers with 60 arrows total $120+$120
6 good shortswords 6x$40
6 long knives 6x$200
6 daggers 6x$20
6 medium shields 6x$60
6 suits of chainmail 6x $2700
6 cuirasses of light plate 6x$630
1 suit of plate mail w/o head or neck armor$$6625
1 fine  +1 pussiant maul $5400
6 damaged 1lb silver plates, 200sp, or $4000 each, totalling at $24,000
1 amulet +3 vs evil $2500
24 bottles of fine wine 24x$
1 pair of gilt candlesticks $40 each
20 anti-demon candles (8  are cheap) $1200+$400
Wooden box with 10 gold coins $20 + $800*
Tin and brass decorated box with 23 cp, 7 sp 1 gp $50 +$243*

1 large potion of healing (4x1d dose) $480

Books
3x the Three Faces 3x$50
3x songs on high 3x$25
Unnamed occult textbook $100
Magical theory for the neophyte $50
The Ways of True Worship $400
Slim black book of Demonology $75
Practical Conjuration demonolgy textbook $200
The Unseen World (demonology spells) $100
Unseen but not Unheard (spirit lore) $75
Demonskin book $1600
The Wonders of Creation (natural philosophy) $400
Illuminated Scripture of the Blessed Triskelon $1000
The Guild Book of Secrets of the Second Order (spells) $200
A Herbary $50
Book of Binding and Bleeding $25
The Four Humors and Their Balance (esoteric medicine) $150
Finality of the Flesh (thanatology) $80
---- contains a valuable spell scroll*****

Other scrolls:

4x final rest $200ea
Charged scroll of protection vs evil (6 points) $300
Scroll of Summoning a Divine Being (needs 20 fp) $560

This message was last edited by the GM at 22:32, Tue 19 Nov 2019.

Narrator
 GM, 7043 posts
 DM says
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Tue 19 Nov 2019
at 22:28
Returned from the Abbey
Pre- sale value for everthing but the books, cash, and magical items is $28945 retail (you are good for 40% of that)
Solid silver plates are worth a flat $24,000 for the 6
Azrael
 player, 508 posts
 Charismatic
 Exorcist
Tue 19 Nov 2019
at 22:32
Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Narrator (msg # 9):

So $11, 578 total to divide among all of us.
Narrator
 GM, 7044 posts
 DM says
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Tue 19 Nov 2019
at 22:35
Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Azrael (msg # 10):

Not counting magic items, or the books.

There are 9 people, one of whom (Walter) is getting a much lower share; his agreed upon pay would have been $450.
Some of the books might be useful for those looking to either add skills or boost skills
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1719 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 22 Nov 2019
at 07:01
Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Narrator (msg # 11):

Books
3x the Three Faces 3x$50 (What is this about?)
3x songs on high 3x$25  (Sell)
Unnamed occult textbook $100  (Would this increase Occultism skill or give it if not known?)
Magical theory for the neophyte $50 (Could Christine benefit from this, or does she know it?)
The Ways of True Worship $400 (Sell)
Slim black book of Demonology $75 (Would this increase Hidden Lore (Demons) skill or give it if not known?)
Practical Conjuration demonolgy textbook $200 (Would this increase Hidden Lore (Demons) skill or give it if not known?)
The Unseen World (demonology spells) $100 (What spells would it contain?)
Unseen but not Unheard (spirit lore) $75  (Would this increase Hidden Lore (Spirits) skill or give it if not known?)
Demonskin book $1600 (What is this?)
The Wonders of Creation (natural philosophy) $400 (Would this increase a skill or give it if not known? Which skill?)
Illuminated Scripture of the Blessed Triskelon $1000 (sell)
The Guild Book of Secrets of the Second Order (spells) $200  (What spells would it contain?)
A Herbary $50  (Would this increase Herbalism skill or give it if not known?)
Book of Binding and Bleeding $25 (Would this increase First Aid skill or give it if not known?)
The Four Humors and Their Balance (esoteric medicine) $150
Finality of the Flesh (thanatology) $80  (Would this increase Hidden Lore (Thanatology) skill or give it if not known?)

---- contains a valuable spell scroll***** (What spells would it contain?)

Other scrolls:

4x final rest $200ea
Charged scroll of protection vs evil (6 points) $300
Scroll of Summoning a Divine Being (needs 20 fp) $560

Short way to ask, what spells are there Christine could learn? Also, how many CP do we get? Do we need to spend cp if we spend time studying the books, or are they 'bonus' cp?
Stenet Fjall
 player, 297 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 12/13 FP: 13/17
Fri 22 Nov 2019
at 17:51
Re: Returned from the Abbey
Christine Bjorn:
3x songs on high 3x$25  (Sell)
The Ways of True Worship $400 (Sell)
Illuminated Scripture of the Blessed Triskelon $1000 (sell)

Ahem, let's not go deciding what is going to be sold before giving others the chance to even find out what they are?  ;)

Gwythaint, I think also we need to know what the base time to read and learn from each book is (as well as the benefit), and then each of us can access our desire to read them knowing our own Speed-Reading, Eidetic Memory, or linguistical disadvantages on our own...

(Jednesa and Stenet can't read the languages of other races, and Jednesa is very likely to fail any self-learning rolls)
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1720 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 22 Nov 2019
at 20:34
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Stenet Fjall (msg # 13):

Of course, everything there is strictly from Christines perspective. I expect others to add their two-bob as well!
Narrator
 GM, 7056 posts
 DM says
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Fri 22 Nov 2019
at 21:43
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 14):

A 10 minutes for the primers, 1/2 hour for the fairly large ones.
The valuable scroll is exceedingly rare, it has the spell resurrection on it, pre cast, but needs a shit ton of FP to actualize.
Most books could be used to learn or raise knowledge in their field as if taught. The demonskin book is a thesis on demonology whose materials grant bonuses. The spells are varied and extensive and i can give a list.

The theoligical works are very specific to triunists, there is a bunch of them at the cathedral, who might exchange bless spells for goods.
The Hadereum is buying demonology texts to burn.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1721 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 22 Nov 2019
at 22:34
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Narrator (msg # 15):

Sorry about the time it will require, but those spll lists would be useful. Christine would also want to be researching a few water spells to deal with troublesome elementals, too!

If the demonology texts are useful for hunting Demons or learning how to stop others summing them, she would be interested.

She can read them, and then sell them, right?

With those times, she will read them under the auspices of an exorcist!
Azrael
 player, 509 posts
 Charismatic
 Exorcist
Sat 23 Nov 2019
at 00:40
Re: Returned from the Abbey
He has a new interest in Demons himself and would like to broaden his knowledge. New Spells are always useful and the Final rest scrolls have him itching to get them, although common Sense says he wouldn't need four of them.
Narrator
 GM, 7057 posts
 DM says
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Sat 23 Nov 2019
at 02:23
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Azrael (msg # 17):

Most of the "good" stuff could be easily sold to the church, and the hadereum would be happy with final rest scrolls.

Books would take the follotime to use:
Primers, 1 point and 1 day, manuals up to 2 points and 3 days, thesis up to 4 points and at least a week
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1722 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 23 Nov 2019
at 02:27
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Narrator (msg # 18):

Guess Christine will be busy then. Can we have a breakdown of which are which? Can 2 study them together, as it is usually more efficient...so at the least take the same time, right?
Stenet Fjall
 player, 298 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 12/13 FP: 13/17
Sat 23 Nov 2019
at 05:33
Re: Returned from the Abbey
Narrator:
The demonskin book is a thesis on demonology whose materials grant bonuses.

What bonuses?

And can we get a list from you as to what books do what?  There are a few skills Stenet would be interested in learning... and he'd even try to learn the 'common' writing if he had to...

Narrator:
Books would take the follotime to use:
Primers, 1 point and 1 day, manuals up to 2 points and 3 days, thesis up to 4 points and at least a week

Does this mean they "give a point", or do they sub for having a teacher and allow us to invest points we've got laying around?
Azrael
 player, 510 posts
 Charismatic
 Exorcist
Sat 23 Nov 2019
at 18:37
Re: Returned from the Abbey
I presume that more than one of us can read these books and gain from them.
It might be worth doing that and then offering them to the Adventure Guild Library for a price.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1723 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 23 Nov 2019
at 20:09
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Azrael (msg # 21):

My thinking exactly...in fact studying them together may be better again.
Dareos Madrigar
 player, 376 posts
 Dark One/Cleric o Sethygg
 HP 12/12 FP 12/12 PI15/15
Tue 26 Nov 2019
at 15:05
Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 12):

"I'm interested in extensive study of the books before relinquishing them and I believe doing so as a group may be the most beneficial."
Narrator
 GM, 7077 posts
 DM says
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Wed 27 Nov 2019
at 21:10
Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Dareos Madrigar (msg # 23):

They allow learning without need for an instuctor. Peimers are good for spending up to a point, manuals up to 2 , and thesis up to 4. If anyone was a sage, that is how much book learned wisdom they would be good for.
Skills available: first aid, esoteric medicine, occultism, hidden lore:demonology, Theology (triunist), Herbary, Thaumatology,  and a number of spells: at least two versions of summon demon, and a stack of generalist magic ones I will list when I can get on my pc to cut and paste.
Stenet Fjall
 player, 299 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 12/13 FP: 13/17
Thu 28 Nov 2019
at 02:28
Re: Returned from the Abbey
Narrator:
They allow learning without need for an instuctor.

1 - Do we need instructors for skills we've already got?
2 - For skills we don't have?
3 - Or just for spells (I know you've required that last one before)?
Narrator
 GM, 7084 posts
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Fri 29 Nov 2019
at 22:23
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Stenet Fjall (msg # 25):

To diverge again from DF
I do not charge the training costs from DF.

To learn a new, unpracticed skill, you need an instructor or an instruction set (primer, manual, thesis). (Cultural skills are often done without this if you are spending your time immersed in the culture).
To increase a lore skill (for example) you need axcess to texts, a place to do research, or an instructor.
If you already have more points in a a skill than the book offers, you need other training. If you have fewer points, you can spend up to a total in the skill equal  to the books limit.



Spells need a text, an instructor, or a bunch of research and thaumatology rolls.
 Fighting an opponent similarly armed with equal or greater skill is grounds for spending points on the skill.
I need to consider how to raise skills when you are without peer.
Narrator
 GM, 7086 posts
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Sat 30 Nov 2019
at 17:08
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Narrator (msg # 26):

Books and learnable skills

Unnamed occult textbook -occultism, up to 2 points
Magical Theory for the Neophyte -Thaumatology up to 1 point
Advanced Thaumatology - Thaumatology up to 2 points
Black book-Hidden Lore, Demonology 1 point
The Unseen World- hidden lore, Demonology up to 2 points
Demonskin book- Hidden lore, demonology up to 4 points, +1 quality,
----Sense Spirit, summon spirit, materialize, solidify, Summon Demon and
  Pentagram spells
Practical Conjuration- Summon Demon Spell,
   can acquire perk, Natural Demonologist
Unseen but not Unheard-hidden lore:spirits 1 point
The Wonders of Creation- Natural Philosophy up to 4 points
The Blessed Triskelon- theology (triunist) up to 2 points
The Guild book of secrets of the Second order: spells
---detect madic, seek magic, dispel magic, magelock, light, continual light, magelight, continual magelight, magesight, identify spell, analyze magic, seek air, seek earth, seek water, ignite fire, spellshield, scryguard, pentagram.
An Herbary- herbary up to 2 points
Binding and Bleeding- first aid up to 1 point
The Four Humors and Their Balance- esoteric medicine, up to 4 points
A Booke of the Finality of Flesh- Thanatology 1 point
Stenet Fjall
 player, 300 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 12/13 FP: 13/17
Sat 30 Nov 2019
at 19:44
Re: Returned from the Abbey
Narrator:
To diverge again from DF
I do not charge the training costs from DF.

So what are the training costs... or do these instructors work for free?

Ahem:
quote:
To learn a new, unpracticed skill, you need an instructor or an instruction set (primer, manual, thesis).


Narrator:
I need to consider how to raise skills when you are without peer.

No one should ever be "without peer".

If you're actually going to start charging for skill increases (and if you are this should be posted in the faq and the OOC thread) then remember how little you're giving in rewards and account for the increased cost this will bring on the Characters trying to buy new skills and abilities.  And if you're only charging skills, that means more abilities and attributes will be purchased...

Or, to make it simpler... I suggest either not charging training costs at all, or use the costs as given in DF 3 or DFRPG Exploits (or a combo of voth as a few costs are different).

Just post it eh?
Stenet Fjall
 player, 301 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 12/13 FP: 13/17
Sat 30 Nov 2019
at 20:04
Re: Returned from the Abbey
Narrator:
Demonskin book- Hidden lore, demonology up to 4 points, +1 quality

I guessing that the +1 quality is a tool modifier and applies when used for research or to aid in skill uses?

quote:
Summon Demon

Considering how you changed Summon Elemental, is this spell likewise altered?

quote:
can acquire perk, Natural Demonologist

What does this do?

An Herbary- herbary up to 2 points
Do you mean Herb Lore, Pharmacy (Herbology), Gardening, or all three?  (though note 'herbary' is 'gardening' in English)

quote:
The Four Humors and Their Balance- esoteric medicine, up to 4 points

Esoteric Medicine requires a Power Source backing... which one is this?
(note the four I know of in this game are Alchemical, Chi, Druidic, and Holy)
Narrator
 GM, 7088 posts
 DM says
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Sun 1 Dec 2019
at 13:24
Re: Returned from the Abbey
I am still not happy with the pricing for advancement in DF3 and DFRzpG, I have only been charging spells. I will compare the cost per day/week of instructor vs the recommended costs, I want things a little cheaper. This will get posted.

The herbary has 2 points for herb lore, I suppose it could be used for 1 point to pharmacy:herbs and gardening instead. esoteric

****Please tell me if I posted points prior to the arrival of the D'Ivore troops; if I haven't,  everyone gets an additional  12 points, There was an awful lot of play before that,  and I thought it was broken up.********

(The npcs get 0.25 to 0.5 of that for later hiring. Walter is retiring to buy a boat.)
The primary change to summon elenental was due to excessive  customization of created elementals. I rolled that back, and suggested it would be fp cheaper (and more lotal) to have a summonable ally instead, more in keeping with DF9.

 Natural demonologist is a version of the Alternate Path perk, as per DF15, the only variant I use iui s Natural Elder Cultist, both still require magery or power investiture of some kind.
The esoteric medicine book follows a holy tradition.
Stenet Fjall
 player, 302 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 12/13 FP: 13/17
Mon 2 Dec 2019
at 04:01
Re: Returned from the Abbey
Narrator:
Natural demonologist is a version of the Alternate Path perk, as per DF15, the only variant I use iui s Natural Elder Cultist, both still require magery or power investiture of some kind.

This Perk doesn't exist in any GURPS book I've searched, and I've searched everything I can think of.  I suspect this is Charms Perk, just doesn't remove the Magery requirement?
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1724 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 3 Dec 2019
at 00:58
Re: Returned from the Abbey
In reply to Narrator (msg # 30):

Pretty sure the last lot of points were given at northport for Christine.

Yeah, I think I know who broke the system with customisable elementals...those living fireballs were hell for the trolls though, but now she cannot repeat them, she is very mundane, and basically needed to be reinvented.

She could go back to creating normal elementals though as per the spell, but sticking with the templates? It is a bit expensive, though...