Out of Character 9.   Posted by Narrator.Group: archive 0
Narrator
 GM, 7396 posts
 DM says
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Sun 9 Feb 2020
at 14:54
Out of Character 9

Last thread capping out
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1397 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 9 Feb 2020
at 23:45
Out of Character 9
I discovered, while my head was buried in DF1, DF9, Basic, and Magic, that a Druid, as defined in DF, has no actual healing spells.  Cure Disease, Detect and Neutralize Poison, yes, but no Minor Healing, Major Healing, etc.  Get wounded, and you'd better have an actual cleric along, unless you want to spend a bunch of your loot from last adventure on healing potions for the next one.

Which is fine, unless you're building something a little off the wall specifically to fill a need for a healer but don't want a boring same-old priest of something-or-other.

Fortunately, having an Ally can often fill that gap, if the Ally happens to be a Cleric...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1885 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 00:36
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
I discovered, while my head was buried in DF1, DF9, Basic, and Magic, that a Druid, as defined in DF, has no actual healing spells.  Cure Disease, Detect and Neutralize Poison, yes, but no Minor Healing, Major Healing, etc.  Get wounded, and you'd better have an actual cleric along, unless you want to spend a bunch of your loot from last adventure on healing potions for the next one.

There's five ways to go...

gwythaint allows the Charm Perk to be taken which can give you a single spell per Charm.  This spell wouldn't be affected by your Power Investiture unfortunately as, as you note, Druid's don't get Heal spells.

Two, you take New Realm (from DF 11 Power-Ups).  You'll probably be limited to the 'nature' Gods like Agriculture, Earth, Hunt, or Storm, but you'll be able to onboard the Heal spells they get.  This is 2 points per level, and expands your Power Investiture.

You could outright take a second Power Investiture and get Cleric spells as well, or buy Holiness 1 and take Faith Healing (38 points total).

Four, talk gwythaint into allowing you to just take some sort of Druidic healing ability and build it (or file off the serial numbers on Faith Healing and refluff it).

quote:
Fortunately, having an Ally can often fill that gap, if the Ally happens to be a Cleric...

And there's #5.
Aine Walsh
 player, 25 posts
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 00:42
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 3):

Yes, but unfortunately the Leprechaun Charm only allows for druidic spells. Is there a more general charm perk allowed that allows for clerical healing spells?

I am looking at #5 for Christine, though even if I get a PC healer, this may not be a bad idea. But what sort of cleric would want to ally themselves to her?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1398 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 00:55
Re: Out of Character 9
Aine Walsh:
even if I get a PC healer, this may not be a bad idea. But what sort of cleric would want to ally themselves to her?


To misuse a famous quote, "Hold my beer."
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1886 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 01:34
Re: Out of Character 9
Aine Walsh:
Yes, but unfortunately the Leprechaun Charm only allows for druidic spells. Is there a more general charm perk allowed that allows for clerical healing spells?

Fortunately, I wasn't referring to that particular Perk, but the Charm Perk from Power-Ups 2 Perks (which the Leprechaun's Racial Charm Perk is based on).

For Wizard/Bard spells it allows you to ignore prereqs, but still grants your Magery (or if applicable Bardic Talent) bonus.  For Divine Magic it waves the need for PI (but if you have the appropriate PI, it grants it's bonus).  Etc.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1647 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 02:07
Re: Out of Character 9
i have a character that is half kami, and is blessed with heroic feats. i would like to acquire various charms, including healing, instead in power investiture.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1802 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 02:30
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 7):

Ah, this one. GM, if a mage took these for healing spells, would they get to apply magery to the spell, or is it just at IQ-2 (H) or IQ-3 (VH) until they get PI? This seems to suggest that the mage would need a god...

Power Ups 2 - Perks:
Charms†
Charms resemble Unusual Training (p. 21) but bestow supernatural, intuitive (not learned) knowledge. Each Charm waives the spell and Magery prerequisites for one particular spell. You must pay points for the spell like any other IQ/H or IQ/VH skill, and Magery gives its usual bonus. You can’t cast the spell unless you have at least Magery 0 or are in an area with high or better mana.

For divine magic, a Charm waives the need for Power Investiture – such spells don’t have spell prerequisites – and does let you cast the spell. However, you can only choose spells offered by your god.

This message was last edited by the player at 02:30, Mon 10 Feb 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1648 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 02:57
Re: Out of Character 9
this would enable a saint/demi god to have various spells like water to wine, create food, create water, neutralize poison, cure disease, minor healing, etc. by grace, rather than as ordained priests.

This message was last edited by the player at 02:57, Mon 10 Feb 2020.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1887 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 03:03
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
This seems to suggest that the mage would need a god...

Unless Christine is an atheist, she probably does have some gods she pays lip service to...




Chye Isuel:
this would enable a saint/demi god to have various spells like water to wine, create food, create water, neutralize poison, cure disease, minor healing, etc. by grace, rather than as ordained priests.

You don't have to be ordained to get spells*.  In fact the only thing ordination (Clerical Investment) does is give 10% off holy items purchases from the Church, better sales to the Church, and allow Sanctifying Shrines and Leading Prayers... and a +1 Reaction Bonus to followers of your Faith.

You have to have Power investiture (or Charms) to have Divine Spells, and neither require Clerical Investment.


* In fact Power Investiture is available to Holy Warriors, but Clerical Investment is not.

This message was last edited by the player at 03:08, Mon 10 Feb 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1803 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 07:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 10):

Noticed this...and Munchkin in me got to wondering...

GURPs Power Ups 2, P15:
Attribute Substitution†
You’ve trained a skill to use an attribute other than its usual controlling score. The GM decides what to allow, and the change should make sense. Some guidelines:

DX-based skills with a complex technological aspect can shift to IQ (“Battlesuit based on IQ”), while those that involve fine work or hand-eye coordination can move to Per (“Driving based on Per”).

IQ-based skills for small tools can go over to DX (“Lockpicking based on DX”), those used to find or follow things can move to Per (“Shadowing based on Per”), and those with a supernatural angle can shift to Will (“Ritual Magic based on Will”).

HT-based skills for movement can shift to DX (“Swimming based on DX”), those with a social side can move to IQ (“Sex Appeal based on IQ”), and those for cinematic combat effects or resistance can become Will-based (“Body Control based on Will”).

Will-based skills can generally drift to IQ (“Exorcism based in IQ”), and those with cinematic combat effects or that aid resistance can shift to HT (“Power Blow based on HT”). Per-based skills involving hand-eye coordination or fine manipulation can move to DX (“Search based on DX”), and most Per-based skills can shift to IQ (“Detect Lies based on IQ”).

This affects routine skill use but doesn’t override a GM- or scenario-mandated roll based on a specific attribute (see p.B172). For instance, if an adventure calls for a Per-based Lockpicking roll, Attribute Substitution (Lockpicking based on DX) doesn’t let you make a DX-based roll – you have to make a Per-
based roll like anybody else.

You must specialize by skill and attribute, as in the examples. Nobody may have more than four Attribute Substitution perks.


Couple of Ideas:

1) Suitable to make Innate Attack an IQ based skill? Still would not benefit from Magery, like Psychic Guidance would, but would be better for most mages all the same.

2) Suitable to make Stealth an IQ based skill? Knowing how to keep quiet...

3) Suitable to make Armoury a DX based skill...

4) I think this is the basis for making Lockpicking a DX based skill, right?

5) Suitable for making Shadowing a DX based skill?

Thoughts?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1888 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 11:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
1) Suitable to make Innate Attack an IQ based skill? Still would not benefit from Magery, like Psychic Guidance would, but would be better for most mages all the same.

Yeah, but keep in mind it's also per Specialization.

quote:
4) I think this is the basis for making Lockpicking a DX based skill, right?

Lockpicking is DX based in DFRPG, you're probably grandfathered in on this one (and note Traps is based on three different Attributes depending on use:  Per for Finding, DX for Disabling, and IQ for setting).
Narrator
 GM, 7402 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 18:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 11):

Psychic guidance is a perk that makes Innate Attack (specialized by spell) into an IQ based skill.

You need the base pi/magery advantage to get a bonus on charms. Generally I use charm as "alternate path" so as to bypass prerequisites
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1804 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 19:00
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 13):

So magery would offer a bonus to healing spells taken as charms?

Confession...and you wonder why Christine is not so devout!

and these?

2) Suitable to make Stealth an IQ based skill? Knowing how to keep quiet...

3) Suitable to make Armoury a DX based skill...

5) Suitable for making Shadowing a DX based skill?
Ryojin
 player, 40 posts
 Martial artist
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 19:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 11):

Psychic guidance is a perk that makes Innate Attack (specialized by spell) into an IQ based skill.

You need the base pi/magery advantage to get a bonus on charms. Generally I use charm as "alternate path" so as to bypass prerequisites


Actually, Psychic Guidance perk lets you use your effective spell level instead of Innate Attack skill to attack as well as to cast a specific spell.


Thaumatology - Magical_Styles p 29
quote:
Psychic Guidance†
You’re capable of controlling a Missile spell with your mind
instead of hurling it like a bolt or a grenade. Use your effective
skill with the spell instead of the Innate Attack skill to attack as
well as to cast. Ranged combat modifiers apply as usual. You
must specialize by Missile spell.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1649 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 19:41
Re: Out of Character 9
Wonder Boy's "mind bullets"
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1805 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 19:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 16):

Yeah, so Psychic Guidance does benefit from magery, but Innate attack (Beam or missile) do not. That was at the heart of my question earlier. Innate attack (Missile or beam) based of IQ seems a good 1 point perk. Sort of between Psychic Guidance and Innate attack skill.
Narrator
 GM, 7403 posts
 DM says
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Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 20:25
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 17):

Stealth stays dx based-Streetwise lets you know when to keep quiet and who to ask, shadowing can default ftom it, but is iq based, armory is IQ based, because it is not just getting dressed or repairing, it is manufacturing also.

I am using specific  books, and not all extraneous options apply.

Ty for the clarification on psychic guidance, it is only a perk after all.


Magery gives to bonus to healing. Only the appropriate power investiture or magery as is required as a prerequisite gives a bonus, not one of any of the above. A mage gets a healing spell, it is not magic, it is a divine prayer.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1889 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 10 Feb 2020
at 22:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
Magery gives to bonus to healing. Only the appropriate power investiture or magery as is required as a prerequisite gives a bonus, not one of any of the above. A mage gets a healing spell, it is not magic, it is a divine prayer.

Those bolded sentences feel like contradictory statements.
Narrator
 GM, 7405 posts
 DM says
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Tue 11 Feb 2020
at 02:12
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 19):

To clarify: if a mage gets a healing spell by way of a charm, it is a singular divine spell, not magical.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1890 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Tue 11 Feb 2020
at 02:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
To clarify: if a mage gets a healing spell by way of a charm, it is a singular divine spell, not magical.

To clarify, does Magery give it's bonuses or not in this case.
Narrator
 GM, 7406 posts
 DM says
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Tue 11 Feb 2020
at 03:36
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 21):

If the charm is a divine thing, magery does not, and power investiture does.
 If the charm is a magical thing, magery gives a bonus, and power investiture does not.

Of course, having a charm for your own sphere amounts to an alternate path perk instead of a charm, unless it is something you couldn't access due to insufficient power investiture.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1806 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 11 Feb 2020
at 03:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 22):

How does a character gain a charm in play?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1399 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 11 Feb 2020
at 10:16
Re: Out of Character 9
One of these days, I'll learn to quit letting my RP background dictate how I want to build a character.

For that time, I don't care about burial practices, do what's cheap and easy.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1891 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Tue 11 Feb 2020
at 11:22
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
One of these days, I'll learn to quit letting my RP background dictate how I want to build a character.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!  I laugh the laugh of those unable to bo otherwise.

quote:
For that time, I don't care about burial practices, do what's cheap and easy.

Sold to Selan it is then!
Narrator
 GM, 7407 posts
 DM says
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Tue 11 Feb 2020
at 15:35
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 23):

there needs be an rp reason - alternate path can come through instruction, be it weird book or Jocelyn learning a spell via telepathic instruction. Charm is different. I had misapproved a spell that came into play, and made that alternate path for Syvanus.
A divine charm could be the result of placing an offering at a forgotten shrine, but I am trying to steer away from mages learning healing without dropping in a lens with PI.
I use charms for my celestials, who have to pay for each spell like power as charms, in addition to the skill points, because, while not clerics, they are using random spells without prereq chains.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1400 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 12 Feb 2020
at 00:22
Re: Out of Character 9
Of course, the down side of taking path #5 (from discussion above) is having to build two characters, one of which is either from a henchman template or shaved down to 75% value from a full template.

I think the Ally is done, aside from equipment.  Not very happy with the main character, going to take another pass with a different template.  Might try a Druid with a Clerical lens, or vice versa (the god involved is, um, rather primitive).
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1809 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 12 Feb 2020
at 09:29
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Of course, the down side of taking path #5 (from discussion above) is having to build two characters, one of which is either from a henchman template or shaved down to 75% value from a full template.

I think the Ally is done, aside from equipment.  Not very happy with the main character, going to take another pass with a different template.  Might try a Druid with a Clerical lens, or vice versa (the god involved is, um, rather primitive).


Down side? That is one of the fun parts of GURPs! Wait, who let the munchkin in me out....

Also considering an Ally for healing. May have to be for Gareth, though, as I am not sure if anyone else will want to heal him...he does not seem popular for the clerical types for some reason! Is there a God of Fire who supports Necromancy?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1401 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 12 Feb 2020
at 10:08
Re: Out of Character 9
Oh, and you think that'll be the big question?

You may wind up thinking Gareth is a nice, soothing normal...
Gareth
 player, 559 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Wed 12 Feb 2020
at 10:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 29):

yes...what are you trying to say?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1402 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 12 Feb 2020
at 23:28
Re: Out of Character 9
Just that I've had a couple "hold my beer" moments since starting this build.  We'll see where I am when I'm done with it.  Hopefully, I can finish the complicated stuff tonight...
Aoife
 player, 675 posts
 Leprechaun
 Priestess of Cerrunos
Thu 13 Feb 2020
at 00:23
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 31):

Lol, Jocelyn. No batteries here!
Var
 NPC, 33 posts
 Goblin servant
Thu 13 Feb 2020
at 01:22
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aoife (msg # 32):

Those items are in aisle six@"
Jocelyn Lemru
 player, 459 posts
 Sorceress
 hot and hotheaded
Thu 13 Feb 2020
at 01:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aoife (msg # 32):

Must be powered by a mana stone or something ...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1893 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 13 Feb 2020
at 02:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Jocelyn Lemru:
Must be powered by a mana stone or something ...

It's a Divinely Charged item... which makes getting them recharged embarrassing...
Jocelyn Lemru
 player, 460 posts
 Sorceress
 hot and hotheaded
Thu 13 Feb 2020
at 02:11
Re: Out of Character 9
Just depends on the deity; I remember one who would have been perfectly happy to do it ... I believe Kho Khilana was her name.
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 977 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Thu 13 Feb 2020
at 10:12
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 36):

I believe you are correct, and she is now cohabiting in a certain silver and jade tea set with the Lighter of Incense, to ease the passage of the remainder of his thousand year sentence.

As she noted -- watch out for the sandstone.
Harro
 NPC, 7 posts
 Satyr priest
 Of Priapus
Thu 13 Feb 2020
at 21:15
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 37):

"The temple of Priapus would gladly help with that."

Evelina Grattan
 player, 2 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 00:47
Re: Out of Character 9
Bow ye all down and worship the Frog God!

Well, if you choose.  We're no conquerors.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1812 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 01:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Evelina Grattan (msg # 39):

Lol, suddenly we have a lot of healers!

But now that I have raised the question in jest, what god would be appropriate for Gareth?
Rethus
 NPC, 14 posts
 Handsome stranger
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 03:28
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 40):

Perhaps I can make a suggestion...
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1813 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 04:13
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Rethus (msg # 41):

Lol, an evil god? He is not evil, just a little misunderstood!

Who is your suggestion?
Ales Konstantin
 player, 821 posts
 Spellsword
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 08:11
Re: Out of Character 9
Kami?
Gareth
 player, 561 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 08:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 43):

Tell me about her/him...
Rosewood
 player, 80 posts
 Pixie
 Wizardling
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 09:10
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 42):

Very misunderstood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ZjnrHR8EA
Evelina Grattan
 player, 5 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 09:57
Re: Out of Character 9
Pretty sure the Frog God isn't a good match for Gareth.  He doesn't like fire much.  Also agrees with Hadereum on preferring the dead stay dead.
Rethus
 NPC, 15 posts
 Handsome stranger
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 16:03
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Gareth (msg # 44):

Search your heart"

This message was lightly edited by the player at 23:25, Fri 14 Feb 2020.

Gareth
 player, 562 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 21:50
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Rethus (msg # 47):

"Heart searched. I am NOT evil. Tell me about Kami..."

Or perhaps En or Enji would be more appropriate! From Wiki...

According to Karl Treimer, Illyrians worshiped a fire god named *Enji, related to the Vedic fire god Agni, descending from the root *Hₓn̩gʷnis, the Proto-Indo-European divinised fire. In the Illyrian pantheon the fire deity expanded his function considerably, therefore ousted the cosmic-heavenly deity, and was the most distinguished Illyrian god in Roman times, when the weekday names were formed in the Albanian language. Indeed, the Latin Jovis dies was translated with the Illyrian fire god Enj rather than with the Illyrian Sky father, thought to have been Zot, from Proto-Albanian *dźie̅u ̊ *a(t)t (a cognate of PIE *Dyḗus ph₂tḗr), or Dei-pátrous. With the coming of Christianity En was demoted to demonic status...

A misunderstood god for a misunderstood man!
Rethus
 NPC, 16 posts
 Handsome stranger
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 23:30
Re: Out of Character 9
The man who casts burning death on a defeated foe has a destination... why not secure yourself a place at the table?

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 23:30, Fri 14 Feb 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7413 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 14 Feb 2020
at 23:32
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Rethus (msg # 49):

Rough couple of days at work, may not be able to post much this weekend.  Will catchbup when I can.
Gareth
 player, 563 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 00:19
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 50):

He was only defeated after I cast burning death...until then he was simply repositioning!

You make is sound like my place is already secured! I purified the evil man with fire...I should sit with the gods for that, after all, don't they do the same? Ever heard of the triunists story of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Hmmm, maybe he should be a triunist?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1404 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 00:45
Re: Out of Character 9
I've met a few Triunists who think a lot that way.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1650 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 01:57
Re: Out of Character 9
if any man becomes a sword of vengeance, claiming that for the sake of THE LORD, then he shall die by the sword he takes up in vainglory. For vengeance is MINE sayeth THE LORD...
Grimaldi
 player, 598 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 02:00
Re: Out of Character 9
good thing there's plenty of charlatans, heretics, and then other pantheons, spirits, and so on and so forth...
Dilandua
 player, 6 posts
 Shadow Elf
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 02:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
if any man becomes a sword of vengeance, claiming that for the sake of THE LORD, then he shall die by the sword he takes up in vainglory. For vengeance is MINE sayeth THE LORD...

"I am right with my goddess and know my place in the tangle.  Not reward, nor punishment, for I serve."
Gareth
 player, 564 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 02:37
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
if any man becomes a sword of vengeance, claiming that for the sake of THE LORD, then he shall die by the sword he takes up in vainglory. For vengeance is MINE sayeth THE LORD...


Ah yes, but don't we all want to be Gods chosen instrument?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1894 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 03:22
Re: Out of Character 9
"Does our want matter inna t'e will t'e gods?  Is why I mostly avoid 'em."
Evelina Grattan
 player, 7 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 03:30
Re: Out of Character 9
But your own special god can be your friend, as well as your power and glory.  Mine is green and slimy and lives in the mud.
Jednesa
 player, 405 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:29/36 FP:13/13
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 04:11
Re: Out of Character 9
"Someday Jednesa meet Chlapáku at Nikdy Život.  Punch Chlapáku in face, show Jednesa strong.  If Chlapáku like what he see, Chlapáku hit back.  Then we fight.  If he strong enough... and look nice... maybe Jednesa let him win..."
Chye Isuel
 player, 1651 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 04:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Gareth (msg # 56):
The Tripartite God uses individuals as vessels that be filled with His Holy Spirit. One can be ordained as such an instrument, as many biblical figure have, through the revelations of prophets, or saints. Indeed, pacifism is a heresy... but let not what may be your final vows, be impious vows, even unto the eve of battle!
Aoife
 player, 677 posts
 Leprechaun
 Priestess of Cerrunos
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 05:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Evelina Grattan:
But your own special god can be your friend, as well as your power and glory.  Mine is green and slimy and lives in the mud.


Lovely. What is attractive about that exactly?
Chye Isuel
 player, 1652 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 05:17
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 57):
The tripartite God knows all the desires of those which he hath made. With our free will we must sacrifice our own desires and passions, in this life, and choose this willingly. In return, God will give us each our rewards, in His kingdom in heaven. This will be different according to each one's deeds, and to the degree one has cultivated one's spirit. But the aim is to attain union with the kingdom of heaven, through theosis. this is a position and a status that is higher than even that of the Angels in heaven. They are His beloved servitors, but we were made to be his true children and companions, and through serving Him, our rewards as exarchs of THE LORD, in His kingdom, are bound to be immense. not only everything in your life that you sacrificed will be multiplied, but who knows what sort of abilities we will have, when we too, like God, through our theosis, are no longer bound by the limits of physics, time, or space?
Evelina Grattan
 player, 10 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 14:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aoife (msg # 61):

Attractive?  Nothing, in the human sense, though I think Holy Sister physically enjoys the rituals, the dancing naked and getting covered in mud and slime.

But just imagine, a newborn god has chosen you as his first prophet, given you the ability to peform miracles and taught you things you'd never have learned had you stayed at home in the fields and orchard -- and for this, asks only that you worship properly.  How could that not be attractive to a couple young sisters?
Rethus
 NPC, 17 posts
 Handsome stranger
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 17:27
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 62):

The tripartate god has always been healous, judgrmental, and ungrateful. They are an enemy of free will and self actualization.  They cast their children into torment, permit disease to run roughshod on creation, and regularly ignore thr pleas of those they have not anointed.
In contrast, we prefer for an individual to be uninhibited in their chouce, for their person to be sovereign from the judgement of others, and free to perfect themselves through acts of will if they so elect. Nothing should be forbidden,  although you are always free to not partake of that which displeases oneself,  it is a vile act to prohibit another's agency in engaging tin acts which please them.

They have sired children without asking consent, we always respect it and cannot enter another's flesh without invitation.
True,  we admire acts of excess,

This message was last edited by the player at 03:55, Sun 16 Feb 2020.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1895 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 18:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Rethus:
The tripartate god has always been healous, judgrmental, and ungrateful. They are an enemy of free will and self actualization.  They cast their children into torment, permit disease to run roughshod on creation, and regularly ignore thr pleas of those they have not anointed.
In contrast, we prefer for an individual to be uninhibited in their chouce, for their person to be sovereign from the judgement of others, and free to perfect themselves through acts of will if they so elect. Nothing should be forbidden,  although you are always free to not partake of that which displeases oneself,  it is a vile act to prohibit another's agency in engaging tin acts which please them.

They have sired children without asking consent, we always respect it and cannot enter another's flesh without invitation.
True,  we admire acts of excess,

"You've read T'e Law t'en.  Interesting philosophy but does not ya 'god' leave ya make ya own way an help not those who cry out for succor in 'his' name, but rat'er bless t'em what help t'ey selves?

So, more t'e deity that reward t'e successful an ignore t'e failures."

Chye Isuel
 player, 1653 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 18:37
Re: Out of Character 9
all that which the Tripartite God giveth and taketh away, is given back many times over in the end. discipline, and humility must be shown HIM, and the struggles against the passions must be ongoing. In serving and showing restraint, by going against our corrupted natures, it prepares us for deification, and the keys of heaven become ours. come judgement day there will be weeping and men shall gnash their teeth, as the tares are gathered and burned, and the wheat is safely gathered into HIS barn...
*totally gonna make a triunist priest at some point* xD

This message was last edited by the player at 18:38, Sat 15 Feb 2020.

Stenet Fjall
 player, 356 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 13/13 FP: 17/17
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 18:54
Re: Out of Character 9
"Blah, blah blah... bloody god botherers.  If you had any respect for the celestial bureaucracy you'ld properly appeal to your ancestors to file requests for intercession for you, or intercede themselves when they have been granted those responsibilities, rather than constantly, selfishly, take up your god's time with your requests in person."

*beard scratching*

"Excepting the newly minted Frog God worshipers, you probably don't have ancestors to intercede with your god yet... and being a very small world wide congregation, your Frog god probably has plenty of time to make personal responses to your requests.  Though, it might want to petition the bureaucracy, there is always a place in the transcendent and immanent City of Heaven for a young god with a lot of hustle."



"OOC"  And with that I've given voice to all four character's thoughts on their gods and their place within their religion.  I've never finalized Ülo because I have no idea what the Trolls worship and she was a teenage Wizard/Druid anyway, so 'angry teen', 'vengeful witch', and 'nature lover' probably cover it.

This message was last edited by the player at 18:55, Sat 15 Feb 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1654 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 21:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye is no doubt a worshiper of his ancestors, and the kami, to which he is also related, through his dragon blood. the women of his line were chosen for their beauty, and unorthodox fighting spirit, that would prepare them for raising a prodigious and often unruly, dragon spawn. (think Chi Chi from DBZ) they are all "tiger-mothers", and quite gifted, themselves.

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 21:15, Sat 15 Feb 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1817 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 21:17
Re: Out of Character 9
Evelina Grattan:
In reply to Aoife (msg # 61):

Attractive?  Nothing, in the human sense, though I think Holy Sister physically enjoys the rituals, the dancing naked and getting covered in mud and slime.

...  How could that not be attractive to a couple young sisters?


Add in a Coitaphobic Elf and another priestess, and Masugatan and Hugh are going to have a tantalizing journey!

Look, but no touching, or a god (or a mage) will smite you! For a man with limited self control, what could go wrong?
Gareth
 player, 565 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 21:19
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 69):

Lol, perhaps En would be best for Gareth...it is not like he needs encouragement to burn shit...or people. So it is not like he bothers the god, just gets justification and approval for what he is already doing. Well, is that not how most people choose their god?
Iskander
 player, 1713 posts
 Iskander Cambriel Almonte
 Valdassyan Adventurer.
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 21:20
Re: Out of Character 9
Iskander is a trinunist, among a mainly muslim people. as such, he is a protected "Dhimmi", from a wealthy merchant house, that pays a jizya tax, that compliments the other muslim's zakat, which are obligatory alms.

This message was last edited by the player at 21:25, Sat 15 Feb 2020.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1896 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 21:34
Re: Out of Character 9
Gareth:
Well, is that not how most people choose their god?

In the really real life?  No...  not as far as I can see.  Most are shaped to acceptance and belief in that religion during their childhood, or they hit rock bottom and have their entire world view shattered and have that belief system* show up at that moment to fill the new void they have.


* Which doesn't have to be a 'religion'.  Plenty of people have hit rock bottom and then taken a stark and fanatical turn in their philosophic, ethical, or political beliefs.  However, those beliefs are the least likely to survive the teenage years unquestioned in the way a religion can, so most people do not question if someone has a shift in politics, philosophy, or ethics later, or even several times in their life.


[EDIT]
Now as far as ingame is concerned?  Most Players probably chose deities for their Characters for the way they want to play them.

If that means the Character is restricted in behavior (Stenet), completely unrestricted in behavior (Jednesa), unrestricted but will have to apologise for bad behavior later (Dilandua), or constantly waiting for the lightning bolt to strike because they know they pissed of a god or two all of them (Jareth), is between the Player and their wrothful god GM.
[/EDIT]

This message was last edited by the player at 21:45, Sat 15 Feb 2020.

Jednesa
 player, 406 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:29/36 FP:13/13
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 21:49
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Add in a Coitaphobic Elf and another priestess, and Masugatan and Hugh are going to have a tantalizing journey!

Look, but no touching, or a god (or a mage) will smite you! For a man with limited self control, what could go wrong?

How could you forget Jednesa and her frequent sartorial destructions?  Granted that is far less an "Oh baby!" and much more a "But these were my good eyes!"
Gareth
 player, 566 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sat 15 Feb 2020
at 23:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
Gareth:
Well, is that not how most people choose their god?

In the really real life?  No...  not as far as I can see.  Most are shaped to acceptance and belief in that religion during their childhood, or they hit rock bottom and have their entire world view shattered and have that belief system* show up at that moment to fill the new void they have.


* Which doesn't have to be a 'religion'.  Plenty of people have hit rock bottom and then taken a stark and fanatical turn in their philosophic, ethical, or political beliefs.  However, those beliefs are the least likely to survive the teenage years unquestioned in the way a religion can, so most people do not question if someone has a shift in politics, philosophy, or ethics later, or even several times in their life.


Hmm, there is a fine line between 'religion and belief system, in that I have met some fanatical people who will get very upset if you call their beliefs a religion, but they have their 'priests' (folk who espouse beliefs as facts), their doctrine (what they are certain is true despite a complete lack of evidence, which they expect other to take 'on faith', and their expected ways of behaving. But lets stay out of the real world, or different opinions are sure to upset someone who is currently comfortable in their beliefs.

Jareth Mooncalled:
[EDIT]
Now as far as ingame is concerned?  Most Players probably chose deities for their Characters for the way they want to play them.

If that means the Character is restricted in behavior (Stenet), completely unrestricted in behavior (Jednesa), unrestricted but will have to apologise for bad behavior later (Dilandua), or constantly waiting for the lightning bolt to strike because they know they pissed of a god or two all of them (Jareth), is between the Player and their wrathful god GM.
[/EDIT]


You forgot about the ones who do not believe the gods are anything more than a powerful patron who gets benefits they don't fully understand, but believe they might with some research! (Reanna! Huh, you thought I was going to say Gareth, didn't you!)

No, Gareth sees the gods as some patrons. You scratch their backs, they scratch yours. Piss them off, and they scratch your eyes out instead, or stick you is some horrible creatures larder for 400 years...The gods in his eyes use people like necromancers use bodies. The gods are just better at it, in that they use people while they are still alive, something Gareth is yet to master. So in the meantime, he 'frees' people from the gods control with fire. So in his mind he is helping people, doing a good thing! See, not evil, just misunderstood!!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1897 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 16 Feb 2020
at 01:02
Re: Out of Character 9
Gareth:
Hmm, there is a fine line between 'religion and belief system...

Religion is a belief system, just not one founded on rigorous scientific testing.

But then... the same holds true for politics, philosophy, and ethics.  ;)

Science is also a belief system, it's just founded on rigorously tested and repeatable hypothesis.

Like that "one plus one is always equal to two".  Except when it isn't.

quote:
But lets stay out of the real world, or different opinions are sure to upset someone who is currently comfortable in their beliefs.

Yeah, yeah, no upsetting someone's apple carts (no matter how much tipping apple carts is my thing).

quote:
You forgot about the ones who do not believe the gods are anything more than a powerful patron who gets benefits they don't fully understand, but believe they might with some research! (Reanna! Huh, you thought I was going to say Gareth, didn't you!)

Nah, that's pretty well covered in my "restricted behavior, unrestricted but punishable, completely unrestricted, and worried about attracting anymore attention".  I mean I guess there's also the "trying their hardest but can't get Senpai to notice them" type.

Jednesa's personal 'deity' that she would pray to (if she were the type to pray) is a 'hero'.  A mortal who made it big and joined the gods because they couldn't stop him.

quote:
So in the meantime, he 'frees' people from the gods control with fire.

"Only in life does one have t'e freedom to change who one be.  Ya strippin t'em that freedom an sending t'em whatever awaits.  Most cases, it ain pretty."
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1898 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 16 Feb 2020
at 01:03
Re: Out of Character 9
And I figure someone would get a kick out this:  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ...t=png&name=small
Gareth
 player, 567 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sun 16 Feb 2020
at 01:43
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 76):

Lol, Rethus hand you that? I only deal with undead, they are tool. Demons are inherently evil.
Evelina Grattan
 player, 12 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Sun 16 Feb 2020
at 03:31
Re: Out of Character 9
The Frog God finds undead most distasteful, and has no truck with demons.  He's what most folks would call a "good" god -- he'd like his followers to prosper, and has given us, his priestesses, powers and knowledge that will promote that end.

Oh, and Masugatan?  My opinion on sex, at least with men, isn't too far from Christine's.  I think Holy Sister's differs; you'd have to ask her directly -- but you'd better respect the answer you get.  Neither of us is under any kind of vow in that department, but we do know how to use these whips.  As weapons.
Narrator
 GM, 7414 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 16 Feb 2020
at 04:19
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Evelina Grattan (msg # 78):

Masugatan may find his own companionship.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1820 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 16 Feb 2020
at 04:37
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 79):

Yes, that might be wise!
Narrator
 GM, 7415 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 16 Feb 2020
at 19:06
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 80):

Have that in the works
Narrator
 GM, 7421 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 17 Feb 2020
at 21:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 81):

Hoping to catch up tomorrow
Evelina Grattan
 player, 14 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 10:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Can anyone point me to an R.E.I. store?  All this equipment is so heavy!  We need down sleeping bags, titanium cooking gear, a lightweight backpacking tent, and aluminum frame packs.

My pack alone is over fifty pounds!  Holy Sister's is forty-something.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1824 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 10:41
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Evelina Grattan (msg # 83):

Yep. Poor Holy Shitster...That is why it is useful to have a pack animal...or a golem! Chris is carrying over 70 lbs of stuff, including a 2 gal water barrel I just bought him and 20 rations in case of emergency...and a single WOMAN tent...she will make sure Masugatan gets that!

Talk nicely to Jednessa about what she can fit on her cart...group basics and a Legionary tent (8 person or a 1 Jednessa tent) is worth $275 lbs, she might come at that.

Hey, Jednessa, Masugatan is missing female company!
Jednesa
 player, 407 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:29/36 FP:13/13
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 11:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Talk nicely to Jednessa about what she can fit on her cart...

"Yes, Jednesa have cart.  Put whatever want on cart.  Jednesa not want walk slow like last time!  Stupid dwarf and grumpy man walk slow..."

quote:
Hey, Jednessa, Masugatan is missing female company!

"Him small, look puny, not survive Snu-Snu."
Evelina Grattan
 player, 15 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 23:38
Re: Out of Character 9
We'd both be grateful of the offer to put our packs in Jednesa's cart.  Rope, rations, waterskins, and such are heavy.  That'll bring us both down from Heavy to Light, and double our movement.  Probably still walk slow by her standards; our legs are a lot shorter.
Jednesa
 player, 412 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:29/36 FP:13/13
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 05:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Evelina Grattan:
We'd both be grateful of the offer to put our packs in Jednesa's cart.  Rope, rations, waterskins, and such are heavy.  That'll bring us both down from Heavy to Light, and double our movement.  Probably still walk slow by her standards; our legs are a lot shorter.

Dragging a fully laded OX Cart, Jednesa has a Basic Move of 4.8.  Dragging it only say half laded, she's at 6.4.

However this is moot as even if our slowest crawled at a 1 or we all moved at 8, it's a 10 day journey one way.  Jednesa just likes to gripe about the "slowpokes keeping Jednesa from the fun stuff".

This message was last edited by the player at 05:32, Wed 19 Feb 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1828 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 05:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jednesa (msg # 87):

Christine would be happy to put the following in the Cart crom Chris's back pack, taking him out of light encumbrance and increasing his speed above 4.

• Rations ×20 (p. B288)                                                 10 lbs.
• Waterproof 2 Gal Barrel, $68, with rope loops, 5 lbs, 21 lbs full of (16 lbs) water

Also wanting to take the Herbary (Textbook, may split points among; Herb Lore, Gardening, and Pharmacy (Herbalist)) book we got at the Abbey. How heavy is it?

This message was last edited by the player at 06:00, Wed 19 Feb 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7424 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 14:35
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 88):

Chris is at medium from armor
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1831 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 19:12
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 89):

Ah, thought it was built in, so not applicable?

What is the weight of the book?

I will want him back to light an minimum.

This message was last edited by the player at 23:20, Wed 19 Feb 2020.

Evelina Grattan
 player, 18 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 23:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Light for us is move 4 -- and that's as good as it's going to get with our armor, whips, shields, and pouches of sling stones.  Honestly, I don't know how anyone affords enough ST to get around in chain mail, never mind heavy plate.
Jednesa
 player, 415 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:29/36 FP:13/13
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 23:23
Re: Out of Character 9
Evelina Grattan:
Light for us is move 4 -- and that's as good as it's going to get with our armor, whips, shields, and pouches of sling stones.  Honestly, I don't know how anyone affords enough ST to get around in chain mail, never mind heavy plate.

It's most of what they do.  Also, Lifting ST is only 3 per lvl.

For instance by weight* Jednesa is 60% ST.



* As in 60% of her points are in ST.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 231 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 23:25
Re: Out of Character 9
There are several ways to get there, but I will throw out the most obvious example.  Dwarves get extra lifting ST.  Doesn't help with hitting stuff, but it allows the character to equip a nice set of heavy mail.  If you're playing a Dwarf, you might as well spend a few extra points.  Paying for that armor ends up being a significant financial investment, which probably explains their tendency towards greed.
Evelina Grattan
 player, 20 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 23:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Where I've got about an even split between attributes and advantages, with a bit more than half of either one in the total of skills and spells (so 2:2:1, roughly).  Probably works better when you want to do more than just smash things...  ;)
Balir Ironhide
 player, 232 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Wed 19 Feb 2020
at 23:38
Re: Out of Character 9
High ST is an investment, but it pays for itself in hit points and offense.  Jednessa can probably take damage all day with the DR reduction from her armor.  She's going to be more one-dimensional, but she's going to excel at it too.

I'll add...  Enough DX to defend and enough HT to stay conscious are the other required pieces to really be effective here.

Combat in GURPs is deadly, so you want (and possibly need) a big meat shield if you're going into the wild.  A party can compensate if they have enough offense in other places, like expert archers or offensive spellcasters.  Still, a wrecking ball like Jednessa is ALWAYS welcome as long as you have someone willing to play them.

And, there is the SnuSnu...
Jednesa
 player, 416 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:29/36 FP:13/13
Thu 20 Feb 2020
at 01:26
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir Ironhide:
High ST is an investment, but it pays for itself in hit points and offense.

Yeah, ST is incredibly cheap for the dual purpose it pulls... but it is also so very limited in how you can apply it to the game world.

quote:
Jednessa can probably take damage all day with the DR reduction from her armor.
  She doesn't have any armor.  But as a Barbarian and an Ogre she has access to buying stupid amounts of DR (Thick Skin).  Buck naked she's probably the heaviest "armored" meatshield we've got in game right now (at least until Gorgath comes back) at DR 10/12 (Everything/Crushing; Thick Skin).

quote:
I'll add...  Enough DX to defend and enough HT to stay conscious are the other required pieces to really be effective here.

Yeeeeeaaaahhhhhh....  sacrifices had to be made to hit a 30 ST.

quote:
Still, a wrecking ball like Jednessa is ALWAYS welcome as long as you have someone willing to play them.

I never go for "brute" types.  But I saw the massive DR and ST build possibilities and said "Hey, a Wrestler would be fun, let's play with having to touch all the horrible hazardous things in a dungeon!"

quote:
And, there is the SnuSnu...

Someday her prince will come and Northport will recoil in horror at the tremendous music they make.  Or it will be leveled by the foreplay fight.  Probably both.
Evelina Grattan
 player, 21 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Thu 20 Feb 2020
at 10:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Holy Sister performs weddings.

Just saying.
Mancini
 player, 326 posts
 Shrewd Guildsman, Rank 3
 Charisma 2, Voice
Thu 20 Feb 2020
at 15:19
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm not really looking forward to that day.... All the bribes, err victim compensation, for people not to riot when half the city is leveled.
Aegis
 player, 289 posts
 Veteran Mercenary
 Master-at-Arms
Thu 20 Feb 2020
at 16:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Are you trying to say the whole damn dungeon is foreplay leading up to snu-snu...?

With enough payment in alcohol, Aegis is probably one of the few who wouldn't care.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 233 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 20 Feb 2020
at 16:07
Re: Out of Character 9
I don't typically play fighter types either, but this game requires many hats so everyone can play what they love.  Thus, I have several characters outside my usual comfort zone, in an effort to make the stories go.  Many others have done the same, I'm sure.
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 522 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Thu 20 Feb 2020
at 18:59
Re: Out of Character 9
I love that you have Blade shopping at the specialty shop.  Cracking me up.
Jednesa
 player, 417 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:29/36 FP:13/13
Thu 20 Feb 2020
at 21:54
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir Ironhide:
I don't typically play fighter types either...

I don't mind playing fighting types, I just tend towards Characters with skills and some measure of intelligence, as such I avoid meatthugs.  Jednesa is a mountain of meat, with meat piled on, shored up with meat terraces, and meat avalanches rolling down into the meat valleys... and nothing really else going on.


I mean I just made Dilandua, who is a cross between Swashbuckler (mostly) and Ninja (a little bit), which means "skill heavy".
Gareth
 player, 571 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Fri 21 Feb 2020
at 00:08
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jednesa (msg # 102):

I have a healthy mix of hand-me-downs and own characters, and I like the chance to play a few oddballs I normally would not due to the adverse effect they have on group cohesion. But we have so many groups...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1902 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 21 Feb 2020
at 16:50
Re: Out of Character 9
For those that didn't immediately recognize it... The Lament Configuration, aka (properly) The Lamentation Configuration or Lemarchand's Configuration/Box is the "Hellraiser Box".

And yes, I did hear that Mario is more than smart enough to not touch anything.  Jareth is worried that others might not be so smart...  such as...


TFW when you have a kleptomaniac as a 'familiar' and you're in ye olde cursed items shoppe.
Narrator
 GM, 7434 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 21 Feb 2020
at 18:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 104):

The ferret is more likely to steal a spellstone of (singular) demon summoning  or a bejeweled er, ring, that casts the obverse of strike barren, and vibrates. Or an old pocketwatch with a funny winding stem.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1903 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 21 Feb 2020
at 19:00
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
The ferret is more likely to steal a spellstone of (singular) demon summoning  or a bejeweled er, ring, that casts the obverse of strike barren, and vibrates. Or an old pocketwatch with a funny winding stem.

Still cursed items that Jareth does not want to find their way into his pockets.  Or someone else's pockets if Akimbo has that rare moment of stashing things elsewhere.
Narrator
 GM, 7435 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 21 Feb 2020
at 21:33
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 106):

Well, lets make a control roll vs klepto, with will 10.
Narrator
 GM, 7436 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 21 Feb 2020
at 22:25
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 107):

Just grabbed Cold Shard Mountains. Shitty thing is that the file includes an oversize map, which means I can't Lulu it!

should be back on tomorrow. Sorry I haven't been regular this week.

This message was last edited by the GM at 22:26, Fri 21 Feb 2020.

Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1407 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 21 Feb 2020
at 23:51
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm far from an expert with Lulu, but is it reasonably possible to get Lulu to ignore one sheet out of the book, or resize that one image to page size?  It's certainly not hard to get a single page out of a PDF printed to actual map size (providing your local Staples etc. aren't the "we won't print anything that you can't prove is public domain" sort).
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1905 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 22 Feb 2020
at 01:10
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
Well, lets make a control roll vs klepto, with will 10.

Will is of no value with a Self Control roll.
Narrator
 GM, 7439 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 22 Feb 2020
at 19:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 109):

They take it as is. Unfortunately, I don't have a pdf editor thst would let me rip it out. I had to settle for a double sided printing without a cover, like a peasant.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1835 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 08:48
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 111):

Hate that when my computer does not do what I want it to...

For those who know the books backwards, was there a bow modification somewhere that allowed a bow to be used as a staff in Melee combat? For that matter, it should be simple to imbue a bow with the staff spell to enable it to be used as a magic staff, right?
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 981 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 10:15
Re: Out of Character 9
Getting Staff spell on a bow should be simple enough -- it's once-living material (wood, sinew, maybe a little bone), and isn't even an edge case like my whip (that wouldn't work if it were longer than it is, I'm told).

Seems to me there was "Battlebow" or something of the sort -- I do recall something about a bow that was reinforced to be used as a quarterstaff (presumably when unstrung).  Powerups?  Maybe?
Ryojin
 player, 43 posts
 Martial artist
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 10:29
Re: Out of Character 9
I will post later today.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1908 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 11:15
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
For those who know the books backwards, was there a bow modification somewhere that allowed a bow to be used as a staff in Melee combat?

DF 11 Power-Ups, Bow Fencer [10 points] you may treat your bow as a baton in melee combat, Reach 1.  Beware Parry with it however as it is still only as heavy as a bow.
Oly
 player, 1180 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 16:42
Re: Out of Character 9
I think the Staff spell is a much better choice, stronger, better parry skills and doesn't risk losing your missile weapon to breaking.
Narrator
 GM, 7446 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 21:10
Re: Out of Character 9

Might not catch up until tomorrow.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1909 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 21:41
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
I think the Staff spell is a much better choice, stronger, better parry skills and doesn't risk losing your missile weapon to breaking.

I don't think that spell does what you think it does... and it certainly doesn't do what Christine was asking about.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1661 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 21:43
Re: Out of Character 9
i like polearms. i've been thinking of a wizard that uses one, instead of a staff, with staff spell placed on it.
Narrator
 GM, 7451 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 21:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 119):

The blade wouldn't have mages touch, only the other end.

This message was last edited by the GM at 21:55, Mon 24 Feb 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1662 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 21:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 120):

that's cool enough, for some ideas i have.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1411 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 24 Feb 2020
at 23:50
Re: Out of Character 9
I recall a limitation of no more than 2 yard length for Staff spell items, as well.

I read Christine as being interested in a bow with Staff, for an archer-mage, and having Bow Fencing would gain an additional bit of versatility.  Though I also recall an advantage that lets you shoot without penalty even in melee, so you don't have to switch weapons if the enemy closes.  Not Weapon Master or Heroic Archer, just checked those.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1663 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 00:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 122):
you could do a mean crossbar, and there's techniques to strike with the shaft, as well as the sword technique to wield staves. you could hit them in combat and magetouch the crap-ola outta them, along with a nasty crushing blow. i might make me a sahudese magi-martial artist, in this style.

This message was last edited by the player at 02:15, Tue 25 Feb 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1836 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 01:48
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 123):

The staff spell cast on the bow should allow the bow to be used to extend reach with spells, but the bow would still be vulnerable in melee combat. I guess just carrying a Jo could resolve that.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1910 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 01:54
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Though I also recall an advantage that lets you shoot without penalty even in melee, so you don't have to switch weapons if the enemy closes.  Not Weapon Master or Heroic Archer, just checked those.

That is a small part of Heroic Archer; shooting in melee without taking Bulk Penalties.  There are no other Advantages that do this, though there is a Technique.


Christine Bjorn:
The staff spell cast on the bow should allow the bow to be used to extend reach with spells, but the bow would still be vulnerable in melee combat. I guess just carrying a Jo could resolve that.

Or you take Bow Fencer as I posted above which allows you to parry with the bow.  It also increases the Bow's DR from 2 to 6 for melee and parrying, though again, you still have to worry about parrying weight.  However making it a Fine, Sylvan bow would help to mitigate that.

This message was last edited by the player at 01:57, Tue 25 Feb 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7454 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 02:15
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 125):

Not a fan of either bow fencer or bow harp.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1912 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 02:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Oh poor wretch, whatever did she do to Christine to deserve this fate!



And no for soemthing less funny...
Narrator:
Not a fan of either bow fencer or bow harp.

Any particular reason?  I admit, I don't like abilities that aren't 'supernatural' in nature changing the properties of physical objects, though it could be a Chi thing with Bow Fencer... and I semi agree on the dislike of Bow Harps.  It has never set well with me despite the fact that I know someone who plays a mean recurve.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1837 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 09:36
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 127):

Um, if she can create food and remove curses...why is she hungry?
Narrator
 GM, 7455 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 15:02
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 128):

Didn't realize she had create food or remove curse. The point was she was cursed, and her savior is Christine.  That was how the intro would work, and the need for food was the reason it was a curse. Perhaps being utterly alone and chummy lowered the skills until she failed too bbn often, or she had a crit fail on remove curse.
Oly
 player, 1181 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 17:31
Re: Out of Character 9
I thought Nice entry to the thread myself... even if I don't play in it...

This message was last edited by the player at 02:03, Wed 26 Feb 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1840 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 00:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 129):

Or had forgetfulness cast on her, perhaps due to an item that she forget she was wearing. Christine has Dispel Magic, but not Remove Curse...

Do like the general idea though!

This message was last edited by the player at 05:49, Wed 26 Feb 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1841 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 06:28
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 131):

Another quick question, weight and cost for a light leather skirt?
Chye Isuel
 player, 1665 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 06:37
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 132):

use the partial coverage chart, for custom armor. add up weight and cost for light leather, covering the thighs, to the knees. then, you'll find the total cost and weight.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1842 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 07:05
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 133):

The Low Tech Custom coverage chart says that armour covering thighs and knees is half the weight and cost of torso armour. So using the chart for armour given, that would be 3.15 lbs and $26.50. I wanted to confirm this and not just assume it though.

Dragonbone is also notably absent from the charts as well, but I believe it is identical to Orichalcum but +24 CF. This is all correct?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1913 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 11:29
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Dragonbone is also notably absent from the charts as well...

Huh, weird copy/paste error.  I'll have to edit it in when I get home from work.

quote:
but I believe it is identical to Orichalcum but +24 CF. This is all correct?

Correct.
Al'abalah
 NPC, 10 posts
 Valdassyan ruffian
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 20:07
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 131):

Dispel magic would work, as it is not a curse but a critical success on a spell of Insignificance.




Rough couple of days between commissions and work being ugly, may take a while to catch up

This message was last edited by the player at 20:09, Wed 26 Feb 2020.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1914 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 21:37
Re: Out of Character 9
Al'abalah:
Dispel magic would work, as it is not a curse but a critical success on a spell of Insignificance.

Insignificance is resisted by Perception not Will... so it's possible some people might have had an easier (or harder) time resisting it... (Jednesa is unaffected, her Will and Per are equal).
Evelina Grattan
 player, 27 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Thu 27 Feb 2020
at 00:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
(Jednesa is unaffected, her Will and Per are equal).


So are ours.  That's the default condition, after all.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1915 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 27 Feb 2020
at 02:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Evelina Grattan:
So are ours.  That's the default condition, after all.

Masugatan and Christine weren't made using Templates...  and by 'default' you mean just Bards, Clerics, Druids, Knights, and Swashbucklers that didn't spend any Advantage points to boost one?  Also note Barbarian, Holy Warriors, Martial Artists, Scouts, Thieves, and Wizards all 'default' to having differing Will and Per as per template.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1916 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 27 Feb 2020
at 02:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Dragonbone is also notably absent from the charts as well, but I believe it is identical to Orichalcum but +24 CF. This is all correct?

Follow up note... you cannot make bows out of Dragonbone as it is not flexible, just in case that was the direction you were heading (not sure if you are still refining Christine's staff or the new Allys' bow).

If you're aiming for "unbreakable" bow the directions to go are Very Fine and Sylvan; and then Shatterproof (VF and Sylvan for those rare moments caught in a No Mana Zone, also because it adds +1 damage if you have to smack someone with it in melee).
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1843 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Thu 27 Feb 2020
at 05:10
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 140):

New Allies staff, actually, since priests of Helios carry staffs and not bows, as per my original concept.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1918 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 27 Feb 2020
at 06:13
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
New Allies staff, actually, since priests of Helios carry staffs and not bows, as per my original concept.

Dragonbone staff is best staff.  /thumbsup.gif
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1844 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Thu 27 Feb 2020
at 08:19
Re: Out of Character 9
Al'abalah:
Dispel magic would work, as it is not a curse but a critical success on a spell of Insignificance.


So strong that even her god forgot about her, so did not grant her spells! That makes sense, actually...
Dispel Magic has been used...with not a bad roll...

Al'abalah:
Rough couple of days between commissions and work being ugly, may take a while to catch up


Happens. Next week will be like that for me. Starting after tomorrow...
Narrator
 GM, 7459 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 27 Feb 2020
at 19:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 143):

Looks like not catching up... Masugatan was built on the brute template
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 530 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Fri 28 Feb 2020
at 16:11
Re: Out of Character 9
Who doesn't love Curious with Weirdness Magnet.

quote:
“Oh the places you'll go! There is fun to be done! There are points to be scored. There are games to be won. And the magical things you can do with that ball will make you the winning-est winner of all.”
― Dr. Seuss, Oh, The Places You’ll Go!


This quote couldn't be more perfect, since he's holding a sunbolt in his hand 'just in case'.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1920 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 28 Feb 2020
at 20:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Nodwin Zideqick:
Who doesn't love Curious with Weirdness Magnet.

"Pretty partial to 'em.  Bu' t'en I loaded up on Curious, Impulsive, Weirdness Magnet, an Xenophilia.  So maybe I gots t'e bias."
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 531 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Fri 28 Feb 2020
at 21:46
Re: Out of Character 9
I'll politely suggest to Kalima's player that she should keep an eye on you...  One way or the other.

I'm guessing you might have a bit of fun with Gareth, in an "I don't want to think about this" sort of way.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1921 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 28 Feb 2020
at 23:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Nodwin Zideqick:
I'll politely suggest to Kalima's player that she should keep an eye on you...  One way or the other.

I'm guessing you might have a bit of fun with Gareth, in an "I don't want to think about this" sort of way.

In GURPS, Xenophilia just means that when the weird big-eyeballed sorcerer from another dimension makes threats and shows up ready to fight, Jareth talks first heedless of the obvious danger signs.  And when an otyugh is out wandering around, he treats it like an errant (but very deadly) puppy instead of "kill on sight" like most adventurers.  Or when he encounters weirdly coloured Hobgoblins who are clearly of a death cult and dropping obvious "and we're going to unleash death on everyone" threats, he'll speak amicably and wish them well on parting.

Basically, unless he knows it cannot be talked to or reasoned with, he'll try talking and reasoning even if it's making the threatening gestures and clearly intent on attacking.  I'm waiting for him to mistake a "mindless" danger for something he can diplomacy at and get chomped.  I know it's coming.


[EDIT]
I mean, he's right now commiserating with a demon summoning, infernally bound, practitioner of what are probably the Darkest Arts, who happily sells people cursed (and worse) goods.
[/EDIT]

This message was last edited by the player at 00:14, Sat 29 Feb 2020.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1922 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 29 Feb 2020
at 00:07
Re: Out of Character 9
So... what's the political situation between the Empire and Northport?  How much pull does the Imperial Mages Guild (which apparently doesn't maintain a strong presence in Northport) have with who/what/how ever runs the Empire?

Asking for a friend....
Narrator
 GM, 7471 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 29 Feb 2020
at 03:12
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 149):

The empire has been in deep decline since the plague, so not a lot of pull
Dne Utrotare
 player, 200 posts
 Anyone
 down there?
Sat 29 Feb 2020
at 03:41
Re: Out of Character 9
I finally got a chance to use that catchphrase.  Lol

This message was last edited by the player at 03:42, Sat 29 Feb 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7472 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 29 Feb 2020
at 12:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Dne Utrotare (msg # 151):

New player onboarding, Jendrich
Jendrich
 player, 1 post
Sat 29 Feb 2020
at 17:51
Re: Out of Character 9
Hello everyone! I'm the newest arrival in the Adventurer's Guild. I'll be easy to find, just look for the guy that looks like a fish out of water.

I'll be honest, it's a bit intimidating to jump into a game where the 'Private to' section is bigger than the 'Message' section...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1924 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 29 Feb 2020
at 19:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Jendrich:
Hello everyone! I'm the newest arrival in the Adventurer's Guild. I'll be easy to find, just look for the guy that looks like a fish out of water.

Welcome.  The hard part is finding a party to jump into with when most (but not all) are out and about (there are a few just gearing up so to speak).

quote:
I'll be honest, it's a bit intimidating to jump into a game where the 'Private to' section is bigger than the 'Message' section...

Are they?  Where are those stats located?  Or did you do the hard work of calculating it?
Grimaldi
 player, 610 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sat 29 Feb 2020
at 22:55
Re: Out of Character 9
"Or which groups to bail from. I haven't been fortunate with my employers, as of late."

This message was last edited by the player at 01:38, Fri 06 Mar 2020.

Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1416 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 00:17
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth, I think he's talking about the immense list of characters a message cna be "private" to, just below the editor box.

Jendrich, that box includes every character, PC or NPC, that has ever posted to any thread in the game.  GM doesn't get rid of them, and they turn up again (player) years later.  I've been playing for almost five years, and I've met fewer than half of them.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1925 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 01:04
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Jareth, I think he's talking about the immense list of characters a message cna be "private" to, just below the editor box.

Ah, good call.  Yeah the PC and NPC list is yuge.  Just massive.  Really big.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1927 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 01:19
Re: Out of Character 9
Can Mario resist one-shotting the Load-Bearing NPC in the eye?  Will said NPC do something terribly stupid and get shot in the eye?

Tune in next update for the continuing adventures of Oh Shit We Are So Fucked.
Jendrich
 player, 2 posts
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 02:51
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
Ah, good call.  Yeah the PC and NPC list is yuge.  Just massive.  Really big.


Especially compared to the few games I've been in so far.

So are any group looking for an extra swordarm to assist them?
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 997 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 11:53
Re: Out of Character 9
I can shoot him anywhere.  Eyes are good when you need to end something quickly.  A knee or foot works well when you just want someone to stay where they are for a while, without needing a necromancer to question them later.  Voice of experience, here...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1929 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 13:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Mario Crowfoot:
I can shoot him anywhere.

I know.  I was making a Scout/Archer joke.
Narrator
 GM, 7474 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 15:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 161):

I should be able to post tomorrow.
Any opinions in the group on the Oh Hell No thread?
Oly
 player, 1183 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sun 1 Mar 2020
at 17:35
Re: Out of Character 9
Out of the frying pan, into the fire ...

Sometimes the person putting you in the deep Poo isn't your enemy and the person trying to get you out isn't your friend.
Var
 NPC, 38 posts
 Goblin servant
Mon 2 Mar 2020
at 00:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 163):

"Ya die in Hell without being a shoo-in, an all we get is boring litigation.  Ya go forth and do tings that guarantee a fair collection  it makes management happy."
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 999 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Mon 2 Mar 2020
at 00:16
Re: Out of Character 9
I won't go through there if I know what it is, and I'm pretty unlikely to if I don't.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1930 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 2 Mar 2020
at 03:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
Any opinions in the group on the Oh Hell No thread?

There's a group?  Does Sedeeric have MPD?

If you want opinions... well... sometimes Characters dies.  Otherwise I suggest Sederic run for the Valdassya gate.  And maybe kill the demon once he's safely back in Prime Mundus.

And then tuck in for a long walk home.

Or if he thinks his Dodge is up for it, dive back through the gate and hope to survive a swipe from a bill-voulge-glaive-guisarme-ranseur... with extra spikes (though where anyone would fit them at that point is beyond me).
Grimaldi
 player, 611 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Mon 2 Mar 2020
at 03:35
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 162):
given his experiences and the words he overheard, with Grimaldi being a no-nonsense type, he'd have done exactly what i had him do: head back to the guild, sign off the books, and look for his next job. Maybe he can join up with jendrich.

This message was last edited by the player at 03:36, Mon 02 Mar 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7475 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 2 Mar 2020
at 17:49
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 167):

That's cool. Not everyone needs be on the same team
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1000 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Mon 2 Mar 2020
at 23:14
Re: Out of Character 9
No, makes the party too big.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1418 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 2 Mar 2020
at 23:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Always wondered what happened to Mythos Songau.

Still don't know, but I think we just found out where he wound up, anyway.
Narrator
 GM, 7477 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 3 Mar 2020
at 01:38
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 170):

Just someone in a similar profession
Grimaldi
 player, 612 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Tue 3 Mar 2020
at 22:23
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 168):
Which thread shall I go to?
Ryojin
 player, 47 posts
 Martial artist
Tue 3 Mar 2020
at 23:18
Re: Out of Character 9
GM got me looking at my other character sheet wondering if he killed my Artificer off LOL, you listed almost everything my guy has!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1419 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 3 Mar 2020
at 23:28
Re: Out of Character 9
Sounded like almost a standard load-out for an artificer.  Hence why I thought it might be Mythos -- he was the only one I've met.
Narrator
 GM, 7479 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 3 Mar 2020
at 23:38
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ryojin (msg # 173):

Admittedly there was some inspiration.

I will post a thread for Jendrich and Grimaldi, welcome to the guild.

Meanwhile,  work has been kicking my ass and my commissions of evil goatfolk and some stuff for Gabor have been eating my time. Hoping to be all caught up tomorrow.
Mythos Songau
 player, 116 posts
 If it ain't broke,
 it needs more parts!
Wed 4 Mar 2020
at 00:30
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Sounded like almost a standard load-out for an artificer.  Hence why I thought it might be Mythos -- he was the only one I've met.



I am not dead yet! Just drawing up blueprints! :D
Narrator
 GM, 7487 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 5 Mar 2020
at 02:16
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mythos Songau (msg # 176):

Be back tomorrow
Narrator
 GM, 7490 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 5 Mar 2020
at 22:12
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 177):

Be spotty for some days, travelling
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1002 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Thu 5 Mar 2020
at 23:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Sigh.

We have a weirdness magnet and a Thing from Beyond in an extradimensional shop run by (or employing) demons.

Of course it's going to get confusing...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1933 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 6 Mar 2020
at 19:10
Re: Out of Character 9
Mario Crowfoot:
Sigh.

We have a weirdness magnet and a Thing from Beyond in an extradimensional shop run by (or employing) demons.

Of course it's going to get confusing...

I'm not sure that Ymid is a 'Thing"... okay wait.  Clearly it's a Thing, I'm not sure it classifies exactly as "from Beyond".  gwythaint hasn't outlined the cosmology but 'from Beyond' usually means "that which exists outside time and space", at the very least "from beyond the Stars/Firmament" however that works.  Where our ;friend' the Ymid clearly comes from another dimension, just like Blade the Hunter in the 'Speciality Shop' thread is 'from another dimension'... and demons are just 'from another dimension'.

Actually at some point I need to nail gwythaint's feet to the floor on this one, especially as Jareth is like one or two adventures away from being able to Create Gates at his leisure and I'll need to know the cosmological ramifications of just willy-nilly making and using Gates.

For instance, if every world is its own 'Prime Mundus', that has different ramifications than if there is only one Prime Mundus.





Oh, and the reason I came in here this time:  Be ready for a site wide shutdown for 5 minutes at 11PM PST (GMT -7) tonight (March 7 Friday).  The hosting company is taking down and replacing their primary router for the servers the site is hosted on.  While it's predicted to be no more than 5 minutes... when has Tech Support ever not pulled a Reverse Scotty?
Ymid
 NPC, 94 posts
 Mysterious sorcerer
 With one huge eye for a h
Fri 6 Mar 2020
at 21:11
Re: Out of Character 9
"The people have travelled for so long, and so far, none are quite certain ofvthe point of origin, and whether this was our original form, or the first Ymid was a member of a servitor race that was exposed to a Great Old One. They are the constant. Gods die, demons and elementals are cast out, yet the Old Ones remain."

This message was lightly edited by the player at 23:10, Thu 12 Mar 2020.

Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 534 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Fri 6 Mar 2020
at 22:16
Re: Out of Character 9
I am in tech support, and out change window time frames are immaculate.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1934 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 6 Mar 2020
at 23:36
Re: Out of Character 9
Nodwin Zideqick:
I am in tech support, and out change window time frames are immaculate.

I can't tell if you're making a very, very dry joke... or if you live in paradise where there are never any 'unknown unknowns' to gremlin up your works.
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 535 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Fri 6 Mar 2020
at 23:37
Re: Out of Character 9
That, sir, was a wee bit of sarcasm.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1420 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 6 Mar 2020
at 23:41
Re: Out of Character 9
I've worked in, and with tech support.  The only way a time window is immaculate is by way of having no father.  Which is to say they're bastards.

Wheee!  I just looked up Create Gate (figuring your psionic ability probably has similar abilities and costs).  That's one expensive spell to cast, even though you don't need access to both sides like you did in 3rd ed.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1935 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 02:06
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Wheee!  I just looked up Create Gate (figuring your psionic ability probably has similar abilities and costs).  That's one expensive spell to cast, even though you don't need access to both sides like you did in 3rd ed.

Actually, don't tell anyone, but Jareth is using the spells.  As a cultist they're Psionic spells, so independent of Mana and Sanctity... and they cost a bit more FP.  And might, ah, summon an Elder Thing.

So basically Psionics just using the spells system, which is less exp and simpler.
Narrator
 GM, 7494 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 21:22
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 186):

Just to clarify for the temple hill group, The area of temple hill is about the same as little Shevnia, and while the population is less, they can get into dockside, artisinal, or merchant in under half an hour.
Johan Faustus
 NPC, 21 posts
 Questionable vendor
 Of occult supplies
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 00:36
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 187):

"Finally! some one asked what things cost."
Grimaldi
 player, 618 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 01:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Grimaldi found the shop acceptable to exist. though a bigger fan of order, in the chaotic shop he saw a place where vigilante/hunters frequented. he didn't find it evil enough to justify attacking the staff or shopkeeper on sight. if demons attacked first, it would have triggered his blood lust, them being legitimate foes. He doesn't trust the merchandise and suspects hidden contracts abound, and/or cursed items. demon lore would reveal the etiquette and laws of demon contracts, and tricks..

This message was last edited by the player at 01:52, Sun 08 Mar 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1671 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 04:33
Re: Out of Character 9
lol the motorola 3200 is the "zack morris" phone.
Ryojin
 player, 48 posts
 Martial artist
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 18:52
Re: Out of Character 9
Haveron Stormwal:
Haveron frowns back at Gareth and speaks more sternly.  "Gareth, who is this, and how does he appear out of no where, knowing who you are, in the middle of our journey?  I fear whatever magic is at play could attract the attention of our target.  Like I said, I would like an explanation of whatever just happened here."



Seems like you are missing some info that is already in play.

Var is Berry's servant, not Gareth's, and Berry already answered your question as to who Var is. Gareth was asking the same question you had.
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 355 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 20:00
Re: Out of Character 9
Yes and no.

The description of Var's appearance states he is Berry's apprentice.

quote:
There is a loud bang and a puff of greasy sulpherous smoke, and Berry's servant stumbles into the clearing, bleeding heavily from his shoulder.


In response, Gareth responds with something that sounds like some sort of entitlement or ownership:

quote:
Where the hell have you been?


Berry on the other hand, speaks to Var more like they are familiar with each other:

quote:
I think Gareth is just defaulting to a cautious response when faced with something sudden. Var, if you carry one of these weird stones back to sell you can probably make some cash. Also we are engaging in technically not grave robbing now. I assume you approve.


As a player I know Var belongs to Berry.  In character, Haveron probably does not really understand the organization of it all.  Gareth spoke with much more authority than Berry did, so he seemed more owner than Berry.  It seemed like a reasonable interpretation of the situation to me.
Ryojin
 player, 49 posts
 Martial artist
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 20:26
Re: Out of Character 9
But Var has interacted with the group on several occasion already, Var is not an unknown variable.
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 357 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 22:17
Re: Out of Character 9
As a gentle remember, I came into this character later.  Berry has called Var in back alleys, in the other room, and generally while Haveron has not been around.  It may be that I missed it happening when Haveron was present, and if so that's on me.  You may be correct that Haveron "should have known".
Narrator
 GM, 7502 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 23:00
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 194):

This is also the first time Var has made a dramatic appearance. Typically he has done this trick out of sight, which suggests a dire situation transpired.


I am probably going to be posting infrequently this week.
Gareth
 player, 578 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 05:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 195):

Gareth does not miss the opportunity to put Haveron back in his place, though, as he feels Haveron has been giving him an unnecessarily rough time! Hence I took the chance to role play it!
Narrator
 GM, 7507 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 13:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Gareth (msg # 196):

Posting while I can
Clarence Montague
 player, 283 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 09:13
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 197):

Kind of tempted to take Clarence on a whirl in Blades world...a light mage vs Vampyres, though his skill is the lowest of any mage! But he does have several sunlight spells...
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1006 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 09:21
Re: Out of Character 9
And now Mario has to figure out (or guess) whether the demon is immune to silver as well as ordinary arrows, or just has enough DR to turn the point -- and whether it matters.
Narrator
 GM, 7512 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 13:49
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 199):

Try an eye shot.

Hope everyone stays healthy, should be posting again by monday, will tey in the interrum.
Narrator
 GM, 7514 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 14:44
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 200):

Might want an orc or two for the new thread. Fighter/thief types welcome, also agent/veteran
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 539 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 15:28
Re: Out of Character 9
I was tempted to have Nodwin stay with Blade too.  His curiosity is only at 5 points though, and he has an equally strong drive to protect his group.  You could argue weirdness magnet either way.  The deciding point was just how far he is in over his head.  His discomfort level probably went through the roof going from medieval to modern in the blink of a door closing.  Nodwin is more broad-minded than most, but it still seemed like too much.

From a metagaming standpoint, the GM is already stretched with additional work stuff going on.  I think Nodwin would have returned to the group anyway, but as the player I also wanted to limit how much we're asking of the GM.  Let's be honest, it's a demanding gig, otherwise we wouldn't see so many games die.
Clarence Montague
 player, 284 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 19:05
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Nodwin Zideqick (msg # 202):

Good point. Narrator, what would you prefer? Did you want to try a modern stint?
Syvanus
 player, 876 posts
 Wood Elf
 Archer
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 20:45
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 201):

I will apply... good with a bow, OK with a sword.

Will replace his two alchemical arrows and buy 4 silver arrows.
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1007 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 22:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 200):

Eye shots (-9) take time to aim a couple rounds or the chance of a miss is near 50%.  Vitals I can do standing on my head (almost literally).
Narrator
 GM, 7515 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 23:16
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 205):

You are with another archer, and between you and Mellarill,  you might accomplish something.

Thank you for not starting a modern adventure,  but I was thinking of it...

Actually, Ullo could come back for the shopping trip... and I have a reason for her to cooperate. But I need at least two orcs, and one could be an npc. Syvanus would be welcome; there are already two fighter-spellcaster types
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1008 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 08:50
Re: Out of Character 9
Mellarill's been so quiet I forgot she was there...
Narrator
 GM, 7518 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 11:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 207):

Also Jocelyn has an attack that bypasses DR: magic bolt
Jocelyn Lemru
 player, 463 posts
 Sorceress
 hot and hotheaded
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 19:30
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 208):

But she is by the door we came in through with Mell and Brodak ... not sure what she can see with the shelves in the way, although always willing to help.
Narrator
 GM, 7532 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 18:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 209):

Posted some trade related rulings let me know what you think


link to a message in this game
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 363 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 21:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Good interplay between Haveron and Gareth, with lots of good RP.  Still, I'd like to move the thread on so the rest of the group can participate.  I assume they would rather play than watch these two knuckleheads go at it...and eat popcorn.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1423 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 21:45
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 211):

Var seems to be enjoying it.  Then again, consider the source...
Gareth
 player, 589 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 06:33
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 212):

Lol, sending Gareth off so you can talk is a great way to advance the plot! He is sure to attract some trouble...

I am glad others are enjoying it as much I am enjoying playing him!
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 365 posts
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 15:34
Re: Out of Character 9
He is a complete pain in the butt, Gareth.  But, he's also spot on from a character point of view.  I worked with kids for a number of years in my early career.  You're playing him very accurately.  Perhaps too accurately...  :)

I have Haveron doing the very best he can to try and manage him.  He's having a lot of trouble with it, as you might expect.  Like you said, Gareth is going to be a management nightmare for whoever leads the party.

My biggest concern is that it might break the morale of the group, and cause a rift in the party.  That's why I have Haveron stepping away for his own time out, while the rest of the group tries to figure out how to manage things.
Aoife
 player, 685 posts
 Leprechaun
 Priestess of Cerrunos
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 07:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 214):

You want Kalima to push the demon back through the shop, through the door, into the next room and through the gate? By the time she did that, she could pincushion it ten times over!
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1015 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 08:56
Re: Out of Character 9
Really?  It's got a DR of at least 7.  That was a near-max roll on the arrow that just bounced off.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1674 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 09:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Haveron has always been an overbearing character, from his start. a total control freak. xD
Gareth
 player, 591 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 09:10
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 217):

But Mario, it was not holy...

Chye, that is what has made Gareth such fun to play! And now, instead of discussing it like he asked, everyone is just ignoring the question! lol...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1675 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 09:46
Re: Out of Character 9
a classic foil.
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 367 posts
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 14:58
Re: Out of Character 9
I think the previous owner was overbearing with Haveron.  During my tenure I have tried to be more organizational.  Then again, that assumes people with social skills and the presence to recognize the bigger picture.  Gareth has the tendency to stare down the tree and miss Sherwood.  To him, Haveron probably does seem like a bit of a tyrant, because he doesn't accept Gareth's opinion on death magic.
Gareth
 player, 592 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 19:57
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 220):

Not knowing his strengths and weaknesses, you have played him pretty consistently as a leader frustrated by someone who does not follow real well! I have, as mentioned, found the interactions fun.
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1016 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 21:22
Re: Out of Character 9
Gareth:
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 217):

But Mario, it was not holy...


It was silver-tipped, though.  Unless this Khozapukt is demon enough to need magical weapons, it was sheer DR that turned that shaft.
Khozapukt
 NPC, 13 posts
 Bat winged demon
 With bill hook
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 21:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 222):

As a creation of one of that short lived but extremely efficient band of munchkins that flew through here last year, I can definitely say it come from a sh!t tonne of DR rather than esoteric immunity"
Narrator
 GM, 7554 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 21:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Khozapukt (msg # 223):

I know the rl situation with this plague is laying serious stress on everyone. Work is going to be sucking heavily on my downtime, as we are a recieving center rapidly becoming a source. As a mildly paranoid person, I find this iteration of reality to be what I expected,  and only tiring, but then I am on some really sweet meds that make coping easier.
Not everyone is that lucky, and the fear is palpable enough to have physical effects.
Be kind to yourselves.  I will try to assist in your escapes from what is going on, and from the outright catastrophe we are being told is going on. I love all of you, and I want things here to be relaxing and enjoyable.

If anyone wants to pause a thread because of what's up, let me know.

Be at ease, and remember that when you want to scream, you can also laugh.

This message was last edited by the GM at 12:01, Fri 20 Mar 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1676 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 22:22
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm on some pretty sweet meds too. they're called starburst, and sherbet, strains. :)-~~~
Aegis
 player, 308 posts
 Veteran Mercenary
 Master-at-Arms
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 23:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Kind of you to notice boss.

In my case, we're doing fine on my end.  I updated Aegis' equipment, and hope to get the character you requested started in the next day or two.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1947 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 01:39
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
I love all of you, and I want things here to be relaxing and enjoyable.

Right back at ya.  If you need a week or four off, if it gets too crazy at work, just say the word, we'll still be here.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1861 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 02:13
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aegis (msg # 226):

Ditto. We could have extra time due to being in isolation though. Or not, if we are sent to be isolated at sea!
Oly
 player, 1191 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 03:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Well we've been ordered to stay home unless we have to go somewhere important ...  still plenty to do around here, but certainly time to do post here.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1424 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 09:01
Re: Out of Character 9
I was kind of looking forward to a vacation, paid with Federal funds, but alas, it's not to be.  My employer, a major industrial supply distributor, is considered an "essential" business (we distribute cleaning supplies, among other things, and deliver to businesses who buy from us) and will remain open until or unless there's a total lockdown.

Meanwhile, I've got close to six weeks of backlog in my tool repairs, for tool types no one else in the shop works on.  So, aside from lower traffic on the roads and a bit more inconvenience getting lunch, it's business as usual here.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1948 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 14:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
My employer... is considered an "essential" business...

Mine is so unessential it's not funny, but unless we have an order of shelter issued* for my area the Big Bosses are keeping us open.  Luckily the biggest Big Boss decided to lift penalties company-wide for people calling out and for picking up OT... so the Mother Unit is staying home and I'm doing overtime every week.

I work in the credit card mines (call center for CC enrollment), so normally we're packed in like sardines (and sicknesses spread like wildfire).  But almost half of us are elderly, and most of the elderly in our sales floors have decided to stay home, so it's actually pretty desolate looking in the building.


* And an order written such that our building manager can't weasel into us staying open, which he'll look for every loophole to stay open, his bonuses depend on it.
Narrator
 GM, 7560 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 20:21
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 231):

Oops! Sederuc may have to find another way home...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1425 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 22:33
Re: Out of Character 9
We kind of knew that would happen...
Grimaldi
 player, 625 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 22:52
Re: Out of Character 9
I said this wierdo bologna is fa da boids.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1950 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 23:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
Oops! Sederuc may have to find another way home...

If the Gate and the Seal decides "hey, now is a good [term not found] to 'eat/subsume/make part of my infinitely vast quantum nothing' a small infernal cursed item shop" he might want to find the long way home... of course That Which Was and Shall Again Be might just open all the doors for a bit, which could serve Sedric well, or not (depending on where the door opens to).
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1018 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 23:03
Re: Out of Character 9
You might be right, Grimaldi, but when else would there be any practical value in being able to throw a bottle and then shoot it out of the air?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1951 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 00:51
Re: Out of Character 9
And an excellent shot too.
Grimaldi
 player, 626 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 00:54
Re: Out of Character 9
well, had everyone stayed together, we'd have had the inevitable bloodbath, just on a much greater scale. it's ironic though how the spoils are probably all, cursed... xD
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1952 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 15:52
Re: Out of Character 9
Putting together a Dungeon Saint... most boring stat line ever.  Flat 12 in everything.

On the upside I'm finally going to indulge in my favorite (and most underused) naming scheme, the pun...
Sederic
 player, 380 posts
 half elven
 sword mage
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 19:28
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 232):

He may not get the chance to find another way home with the rolls he gets...nothing under 10 with this build will be fatal soon enough!
Narrator
 GM, 7563 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 20:30
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Sederic (msg # 240):

A point for coolness to Mario!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1953 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 21:35
Re: Out of Character 9
Sederic:
He may not get the chance to find another way home with the rolls he gets...nothing under 10 with this build will be fatal soon enough!

Nah, see Jareth just had to sweet talk the Gate into bringing you back in exchange for eating the shop... or whatever the Gate is doing besides opening the way, err, for you!  Totally for you...
Narrator
 GM, 7566 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 15:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 242):

Ryojin/Zeelzeel/mythos just got deployed.
Narrator
 GM, 7570 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 25 Mar 2020
at 00:00
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 243):

Going to try and post tomorrow
Narrator
 GM, 7571 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 18:26
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 244):

Thank you for bearing with me
Oly
 player, 1194 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 18:42
Re: Out of Character 9
Not an issue... all of us are being wagged around by the dog...
Balir Ironhide
 player, 242 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 18:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Last I heard you were getting your butt handed to you by some combination of a virus and an overflowing sick ward.  No need to worry about us.  We all understand and sympathize with your situation.

In fact, we're very grateful that you're out there helping save lives.  That dwarfs anything here in game.

You keep doing what you're doing.  And thanks for your efforts.
Narrator
 GM, 7573 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 19:38
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 246):

DrDestructo just got made a mandatory essential worker.

My wife and eldest are recovering, some body achhes and headaches, the last of low grade fever this morning. They seem to have conteacted mild cases. So far, my youngest and I are asymptomatic, although I am pretty sure we have been exposed.
Apparently  85% of cases are this mild, 15 percent require hospitalization, (or 85% of people who are positve get sent home to convslesce) and a third of those hospitalized require ICU care. Some of those get somewhat better, many do not.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1429 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 09:06
Re: Out of Character 9
Sederic, I'm pretty sure where you were was a day at the beach compared to where the shop is going now.
Sederic
 player, 385 posts
 half elven
 sword mage
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 09:23
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 249):

Perhaps. You are not making staying attractive...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1959 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 10:40
Re: Out of Character 9
"Stick around, ya get see what t'e outside reality look like!"
Jednesa
 player, 432 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 01:46
Re: Out of Character 9
"Masugatan momentarily closes his eyes and sighs dramatically.  "Would you pluck this tale from me like a jagged arrowhead from my heart?""

Then he gets shot in the chest with an arrow like a minute later.  Theatre critics are everywhere.
Ales Konstantin
 player, 834 posts
 Spellsword
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 00:45
Re: Out of Character 9
It's getting hot over at the Rice Run...
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 992 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 09:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Yep, leader should have been done by now, except I can't roll damage at present...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1683 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 13:15
Re: Out of Character 9
me eyes are damaged...
Narrator
 GM, 7598 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 14:32
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 254):

He has DR7 (cloth plus brigandine plus armor mastery) on hands, torso, face, and only cloth over the rest, so is eating most of the damage flung his way. he isn't that much of a heavy.

His men wear reinforced leather torso armor and pot helms over cloth armor, the rain of fire has hurt most of them.

This message was last edited by the GM at 14:34, Wed 01 Apr 2020.

Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 993 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 22:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 254):

He has DR7 (cloth plus brigandine plus armor mastery) on hands, torso, face, and only cloth over the rest, so is eating most of the damage flung his way. he isn't that much of a heavy.


Well, it would also help if I could make some damage rolls...
Narrator
 GM, 7615 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 16:48
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 257):

Been digging in deep into the old Broderick threads to get a final on the maps of the area So I can prep it for publication.  Holy crap what a jackhole he was!
Grimaldi
 player, 630 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 17:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 258):
He was a dastardly douchebag, who met a gruesome end.
Narrator
 GM, 7617 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 20:43
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 259):

I have gotten about 5 maps in order, and have one more to reformat.

(The adventure is the sequel to Broderick's demise, I ran it using 187 pt characters at a mini con) but going through 48 pages of him was draining.
Grimaldi
 player, 631 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 22:21
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 260):
The aftermath is quite a scene, and the loot is considerable...

This message was lightly edited by the player at 22:21, Thu 02 Apr 2020.

Tyger, tyger
 NPC, 2 posts
 Burning bright
 In the forest of the nigh
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 21:22
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 261):

Oh well

https://wp.me/p3zcVI-Nu
Narrator
 GM, 7627 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 12:22
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Tyger, tyger (msg # 262):

Sorry, been sick, have trouble focusing.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1963 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 22:11
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
Sorry, been sick, have trouble focusing.

Take however long you need to get well, we'll still be here.
Mancini
 player, 346 posts
 Shrewd Guildsman, Rank 3
 Charisma 2, Voice
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 23:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Not unless the Covid-19, err Eldritch devours you first....
Narrator
 GM, 7629 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 11:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mancini (msg # 265):

I haven't been tested, but it looks like a mild case of rona. I'll be fine, just had fever for a few dsys and a week of this wretched cough. I got off easy.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1964 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 11:15
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
I haven't been tested, but it looks like a mild case of rona. I'll be fine, just had fever for a few dsys and a week of this wretched cough. I got off easy.

Even so, take some time and rest, 'cuase you certainly aren't getting any rest at work.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 249 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 15:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Last day has been rough for me too.  Either seasonal allergies or a regular case of the flu because my temp was 95 degrees this morning.  I feel your pain my friend.  Take it easy and get healthy.
Narrator
 GM, 7631 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 16:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 268):

Stay well everyone!
Chye Isuel
 player, 1688 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 18:11
Re: Out of Character 9
i reckon i'm more worried 'bout a coup, than the flu...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1432 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 21:44
Re: Out of Character 9
I deleted the political comments I had typed.

Probably best we don't start that kind of discussion here, tempting as it is.
Narrator
 GM, 7633 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 7 Apr 2020
at 17:02
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 271):

We have a broad spectrum of opinions there, I am quite certain, and while you and I might have some common ground, it isn't my business to make any assumptions there. I think it is a good idea to keep our game fairly neutral out of respect for one anotner, and also because Echelon does a lot of targeted word searches for specific phrases that could come up, and I'd rather not invoke their attention.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 250 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Tue 7 Apr 2020
at 17:50
Re: Out of Character 9
I will add this, and apologies for the minor soap box...

In this day and age, it has been easier than ever to see our differences in opinion and action.  It has been much harder to find our common ground, and the things we all can agree on.

We're in something of a crisis right now.  In my opinion this should be one of those times that transcends politics.  No one in leadership will be faultless.  We can all probably agree on that.  However, focusing on that takes our attention away from the things we can do to help and support the people around us.

I have already lost one person I knew to COVID-19, although we were not close.  It will surely get worse for everyone before it gets better, as I'm sure the Narrator can tell us.  Let's care for the people that matter.  That's something we can control in the moment.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1965 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Tue 7 Apr 2020
at 18:41
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
i reckon i'm more worried 'bout a coup, than the flu...

You're worried about 2-door sports cars?  Then definitely stay inside.  Far less occurrence of those indoors...  ;)



Narrator:
...also because Echelon does a lot of targeted word searches for specific phrases that could come up, and I'd rather not invoke their attention.

/tightens tinfoil sweatband before posting

Yes comrades friends, let us avoid the use of targeted phraseology such as [FNORD] and [DOUBLE FNORD] and other such trigger codes.


:P

Honestly, I'm far less worried about covert government surveillance than I am the people at work who refuse to social distance.  I can't wait till we go work from home, sorry gwythaint, I know you're stuck at the hospital.  Impossible to do remote work of that nature.  Y'all are heroes.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1689 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 19:46
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 274):

coup d'état
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1967 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 20:06
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
coup d'état

2 door sports cars blowing the state?  Weird fetish, but whatever floats your boat... ;)


Where you at, that you're more worried about a violent overthrow of the government than getting pandemiced?  Thailand?
Narrator
 GM, 7635 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 22:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 276):

I haven't been able to focus on posting today.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1690 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 00:02
Re: Out of Character 9
i live in the michiana area, where there's no lockdown yet. we're probably their biggest threat, in the midwest. everyone here is heavily armed, in the bread basket.

This message was last edited by the player at 00:03, Thu 09 Apr 2020.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1968 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 00:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
i live in the michiana area...

You're not in Idaho, so you don't have the absolute dumbest of the dumb*, but yeah, Michiana can get pretty "Yer can ha' me Rights† over me cold dead body".

But I don't see those counties going all civil insurrection over a lockdown.



* Bundy and the 'Liberty Rebellion' group.
† Usually meaning "guns and free speech", but I can see them getting huffy over the right to assembly.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 251 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 01:03
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm from the Michiana area myself, although I moved west in 2000.  Guessing you know the Griffin well.  I still have lots of family there, but don't get back much anymore.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1969 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 01:35
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir Ironhide:
I'm from the Michiana area myself, although I moved west in 2000.  Guessing you know the Griffin well.  I still have lots of family there, but don't get back much anymore.

I got family right across the lake in Chicago (Aurora).  So I don't 'know it well' but I hear stories.

Supposedly it's better than than the redneckery they get up to in southern Illinois...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1691 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 06:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 280):
yup, the griffin is well known to me since middle school.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1435 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 09:12
Re: Out of Character 9
I grew up in North Idaho -- once knew a fellow who pulled a "drive-by shooting" on an empty Mormon church.  Fired two rounds of .22 at the massive wooden front doors.  Some sort of signal to tell 'em to stay out of town (seemed a little late, the church construction was complete and services were scheduled for the next Sunday).

He was a trained anthropology field worker who later got hired doing living history work at the local university.

My conclusion is and was that even the smart folks can be pretty dumb, and I generalize that (which is to say, I don't think Idaho is in any way unique).

That said, I never spent any time around Rathdrum, the reputed core of the stupidity.  Drove through once, in daylight, on my way to Henley Aerodrome in Athol to see WWI vintage aircraft fly.  Legend was, driving near Rathdrum at night was a Very Bad Idea, as you might wind up as the guest of honor at a sacrifice by the local devil worshippers...
Narrator
 GM, 7636 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 21:08
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 283):

I live in Washington Heights in upper Manhattan in New York, in the middle of a Dominican neighbo, accross the street from a homeless shelter. There are several different flavors of stupid in the area, (mine included) and a veritable potpourri of idiocy in the city as a whole. The place is a helluva lot less violent than it was thirty years ago when I moved to this neighborhood,  and I am quite comfortable being an unarmed citizen here.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1692 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 21:53
Re: Out of Character 9
there's alot of thug mentality around here, but if you see it coming a (make a streetwise roll) you can avoid being involved in most trouble. there's alot of armed rural folk, both crazy and clear-eyed.
Oly
 player, 1198 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 23:26
Re: Out of Character 9
Yes, out here in Arizona most rural folks are armed in various ways, so it's wise to approach openly.  The city types are more like folks back east, so weapons are more like a 50-50 chance.
That said, the rural folks are experienced more often that not, the city sorts have a better chance of being daft.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1693 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 05:05
Re: Out of Character 9
we also have alot of amish, nearby.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1436 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 09:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Where I live now (rural North Carolina) I see Confederate flags nearly every day.  People fly them in their front yards, mount them on their gas-guzzling trucks, etc.  Armed is the normal state here -- and that includes me; I'm very liberal in many ways, but I'm also a firm believer in keeping the ability to defend myself and my home.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1972 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 13:00
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
... I'm very liberal in many ways, but I'm also a firm believer in keeping the ability to defend myself and my home.

Ditto, except for the owning a firearm part.  I don't enjoy guns, so I don't own one.

This message was last edited by the player at 13:01, Fri 10 Apr 2020.

Oly
 player, 1199 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 18:36
Re: Out of Character 9
So the two handed sword is indeed a daunting foe for a housebreaker, but the shorter Gladius & Shield is more useful in tight confines.
Or there is the little two foot long child's baseball bat, a truly lethal weapon.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 253 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 19:20
Re: Out of Character 9
And you can hide those things anywhere.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1973 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 19:21
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
So the two handed sword is indeed a daunting foe for a housebreaker, but the shorter Gladius & Shield is more useful in tight confines.
Or there is the little two foot long child's baseball bat, a truly lethal weapon.

For intruders, I'd prefer the hatchet I have on the shelf above my bed (yes, it's in a sheath bolted to the shelf.  Yes a cat once, once, knocked it down onto my pillow right next to my head, hence the bolt).

I don't have a shield*, and if I have to take someone in the hall to my bedroom, I wouldn't want a shield, it's cramped enough as it is in there.



* I mean, I don't have a real shield.  I have some boffer shields which are foam and canvas on a frame, in a duffle, in a closet, stored... I guess if the attacker had a knife or bat it might help.  A second hatchet or maybe a baton would be better for me, though I do have a cane beside my door, but it's collapsible.  And I've never really liked using shields†, my actual combat training was with bare hands and polearms... so... my hatchet-fu isn't exactly topform either.

† With a shield I tend to forget to use it actively, it just mostly hangs around.  I have used small bucklers, and I do well(ish) with them, but again, I'd rather just have an off-hand weapon.  I'm far more active with paired weapons than sword and board.  But you want to see actual skill?  Give me a duelling glaive, quarter/bo staff, or naginata.  I've trained with those and half-assed kept up on my katas (until I blew out my knee last thanksgiving).
Jednesa
 player, 436 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 19:31
Re: Out of Character 9
In other topics... for my party fellows in Seekers of The Flame:

The Player is fine returning to town.  The Character is a bit miffed because there is a dragon out there that we have turned around to walk away from without her getting to wrassle it.  Sure, sure, it'll still be there tomorrow... but she's rather wring the bandit's neck, toss him in a ditch, and start beating feet towards the dragon, err, I mean The Sacred Flame, rather than away from it, no matter how temporary.

Expect further grumping if we actually have to enter town to finish disposing with the bandit.


(And yes, I know, if we see an actual dragon on the horizon and the party runs away, she'll follow the Parties' lead, but expect mild grumpleing about that too.)
Oly
 player, 1200 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 19:50
Re: Out of Character 9
A poleaxe is the same value as the two handed sword, keeps them away if you can get it in front of you and will dissuade charges.
But sorta sucks against a firearm. The hatchet isn't a bad weapon, just requires you to get in close and again isn't what you want in a gun fight. The Shortsword is preferable to anything you have to swing, as it will stab, slice, dice, draw cut or you can swing with it, more ways to use it in close confines.  I think it is cold steel that makes a rubber handled Quama/Gladius/50 other names that costs about $30-$40, is darn sharp and has a useful 18-20" blade. If you insist on no gun, it's the ticket in my book for INDOORS.
Personally I have a 44 special that will put a 230 grain soft lead hollow point out at 870 fps (measured at 8 feet) ... all I have to do is hit him with it and I get 5 tries before having to throw it at him. I'm not great but inside 15 yards, I am reasonably good and will put all shots within a 1' diameter circle double action.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1694 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 20:20
Re: Out of Character 9
i have a fairburn-sykes, a folding stiletto, and a homebuilt, .410/45 colt that i keep a mix of defense shells for, which are capped, with a .41 slug, with two .35 balls behind it, which spread out, and i have the big, .45 colt cowboy rounds, in hollow point.
Aegis
 player, 317 posts
 Veteran Mercenary
 Master-at-Arms
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 20:33
Re: Out of Character 9
See the violence inherent in the system?
Narrator
 GM, 7640 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 23:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Thanks for bearing with my slow rate, been working on a publishing product
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1437 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 00:58
Re: Out of Character 9
Well, if we want to get detailed...

I'm not a big fan of knives and swords, but I've spent a certain amount of time on a range and I'm very confident with a pistol.  Hence I keep a pistol handy where I sleep, an EAA Witness Steel (large frame), currently setup as .38 Super (but I also have 10mm/.40 S&W upper with both barrels, a .45 ACP upper, and a 9mm barrel for the .38 Super upper).  Two mags hold 17 each in Super or 9 mm, 13 each in 10/.40 (though I've got extensions for those that add two rounds each), or 10 each in .45.  I've got the .22 conversion for it, but it's very picky on ammunition so I haven't shot it much.

Near my computer, I have an 1890s vintage H&R .32 revolver (ejector isn't quite right, but it works when the trigger is pulled, just an extra second to reload).  My shotgun is currently broken down in its case, but I've also got a Mosin Nagant (Russian/Soviet infantry rifle, roughly .308 power), a Marlin 795 (.22 rimfire semi-auto) and a Polish P-64 in 9mm Makarov with two 7-round mags.  Somewhere here, I have a Dan Wesson revolver in .357 Magnum.

Hey, I grew up in Idaho...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1974 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 02:34
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
... I've also got a Mosin Nagant...

I've never understood anyone's love for this Russian longspear.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1696 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 05:07
Re: Out of Character 9
Ideally, i'd like a FEG Model PJK-9HP Pistol, an SKS paratrooper, with bayonet, 40 rnd banana clips, and a 75 round drum. sturdy, reliable, and cheap firearms. they also fit my aesthetics.
I'm also looking for a good, police positive, in .38 special with at least a 4" inch barrel.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 254 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 15:54
Re: Out of Character 9
I have never understood the fascination with guns.  More power to you if you enjoy them.  I shot many as a kid as an uncle was an enthusiast, so it's not inexperience.  It's probably the time I spent working with kids when I was younger - I have seen the damage that violence and death has inflicted on families.  A lot of people are very responsible with firearms.  Unfortunately, enough aren't, and the aftermath can really impact lives.

No matter which side you're on, it's a passionate issue.  I can see both sides have merit, and have no intention of judging your hobbies.  Please don't be concerned there.  I just didn't expect the chatter to go so far down this particular road, and figured another opinion wouldn't hurt.

You guys stay safe out there.
Oly
 player, 1201 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 21:42
Re: Out of Character 9
Have to agree with you Balir, I have seen too many people who shouldn't have guns, either because they didn't know how to use them or didn't have enough sense to use them safely/correctly.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1438 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 23:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
Ardenas Barehand:
... I've also got a Mosin Nagant...

I've never understood anyone's love for this Russian longspear.


Well, they were very, very cheap for rather a long time, because the Soviets made so very many of them.  And yet, they've all got history attached; mine was made in Izhevsk in 1942, and was almost certainly on the front before the lacquer on the stock was dry.  They're strong, simple, and easy to handle, maintain, and repair.

Yes, they kick (they were made for use in heavy winter clothing, and the length of pull is too short for most folks using one in summer).  As they come out of the cosmoline, they're ugly beasts and don't shoot well, but with very minor work, they can be accurate enough (I've seen video of someone hitting a target the size of a truck door with one over original sights, four rounds out of five, at 900 meters).

But mostly, it's a good, reliable, durable rifle that was in my price range.  It's the only full power rifle I've ever owned, despite growing up around guns.
Oly
 player, 1202 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 02:33
Re: Out of Character 9
My son  bought one and cleaned it up, he thinks it great and I can't argue, I watched him hit an e-type silhouette 3 out of 5 times at 500 yards. Considering that many of hese were turned out under miserable conditions, they border on the amazing. Russia was producing quantity, not quality, but these are still rock solid! I stayed away thinking they were junk too, but they aren't.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1439 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 10:41
Re: Out of Character 9
Exactly.  The only thing on mine that isn't an original part is a Smith Sights adjustable front sight to allow setting zero in elevation as well as windage.  I've adjusted it to shoot to point of aim without the bayonet (arsenal set them up with), scraped the barrel channel to remove pressure from the barrel, and with '70s vintage surplus ammunition it shoots better than I can see (though to date I've gone bust trying to put a scope on it to see what it can really do).

In 1942 in the Soviet Union, what mattered was that it go "bang" when you pulled the trigger, feed the rounds when you work the bolt, and outlast the conscript it was issued to.  They did every bit of that, and really shined on the "outlast" part -- and yet, churned out literally by the million, they were well enough made to be converted for snipers with just a scope, and a bent bolt handle to allow operating with the scope.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1698 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 21:39
Re: Out of Character 9
probably the rifle that coined the term "obrez".
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1870 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 22:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 304):

Out of circulation for a while. We have put to sea to self quarantine!
Narrator
 GM, 7650 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 22:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 307):

Sail safely
Jednesa
 player, 438 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 00:23
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Out of circulation for a while. We have put to sea to self quarantine!

Don't worry, Jednesa will keep teh adventure on track while you're away...

/Christine comes back to find the wagon in flames, the Frog Sisters alternately trying to put it out and heal the Ogress, Jednesa wrestling a dragon, and Masugatan trying to backstab its tail...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1441 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 08:58
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
probably the rifle that coined the term "obrez".


Obrez is a Mosin after an encounter with a hacksaw.  Like making a mare's leg from a long infantry rifle, instead of from a lever action carbine.

"For when you need to blow a fist size hole in someone and set their clothes on fire at the same time."  A rifle round from a short barrel loses a lot of power -- but gains a bunch of fireball.  BATFE frowns on them, though; convert a rifle into a pistol and you need a $200 tax stamp before you start cutting.
Narrator
 GM, 7658 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 16 Apr 2020
at 00:26
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 310):

Going to try and catch up tomorrow.  Today I got to rebuild a set of wireframe shelves with 200 zip ties....

This message was last edited by the GM at 00:26, Thu 16 Apr 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7659 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 16 Apr 2020
at 23:26
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 311):

Gah. Back at work, even less time to respond to anything.
Aoife
 player, 693 posts
 Leprechaun
 Priestess of Cerrunos
Sat 18 Apr 2020
at 12:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 312):

Seems the group at the shop split again...
Narrator
 GM, 7668 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 18 Apr 2020
at 13:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aoife (msg # 313):

They are two separate groups, and were supposed to return to their respective threads.

Meanwhile,  there are more items to be examined...
Aoife
 player, 694 posts
 Leprechaun
 Priestess of Cerrunos
Sat 18 Apr 2020
at 23:43
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 314):

We probably should clarify that, though the group looking for the specialty shop may now need a new thread...and a new mission. Hunting Demons? Hmm, there are a few doing that. Escorting Kalima may have an issue if someone else casts banishment...
Narrator
 GM, 7695 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 23 Apr 2020
at 20:48
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aoife (msg # 315):

Just teying to keep up as best as zi am able

Also once Leroy and co get back to town, they will hook up with Rosewood  again.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1875 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 03:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 316):

All good, just do as we can!
Leroy du Lac
 player, 217 posts
 Mercenaire gent d'armes
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 20:35
Re: Out of Character 9
do we post in "welcome to the adventurer's guild", upon our return?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1985 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 05:22
Re: Out of Character 9
Leroy du Lac:
do we post in "welcome to the adventurer's guild", upon our return?

That is normally what gwythaint's transitional phrasing means... however he usually also phrases it bit more specifically, like "Meanwhile, back at the guild" and there would be a thread called "Back at the Guild".*

In this case there is no such thread... so either he means "wait while I whip a new one up" (which he normally does in a hour or so). or he means "go use a thread with a similar name".... however the only first page thread that is similar is "Welcome to the Adventurers Guild" which is dissimilar enough to make me think he doesn't mean it.


* there are two similar threads, "Back in the guild" which has lain unused for four years and "Back to the Adventurer's guild", likewise fallen fallow for four years.  Both are on page 6 though so I doubt he means them.
Narrator
 GM, 7699 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 12:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 319):

In rhis case, the scene but noot the thread changes. Should have phrased it differently.  Looking to hear from Rosewood,  who had some pm's while away from the main group, and also has info to share.
Narrator
 GM, 7700 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 12:32
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 320):

Also Benny Morales is looking for a mid range city focused group, his point range is standard, but effective skill levels are closer to a lower point group.

Discuss.
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1032 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 13:17
Re: Out of Character 9
What does Benny do?  Wizard? Healer?  Ranged fighter?  Close fighter?  Second story?  Frog god follower?  ;)
Benny Morales
 player, 1 post
 Hermetic Envoy
 HP 10/10 FP 12/12 PF 11
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 14:55
Re: Out of Character 9
Mario Crowfoot:
What does Benny do?  Wizard? Healer?  Ranged fighter?  Close fighter?  Second story?  Frog god follower?  ;)

"Well, charitable folks would say I'm a humble spreader of the inspiring mercantile words of the Lord of Doing Business, Hermes.  I'm no word mumbling, finger wagging, bandage dispensing, moralizing preacher, though I can perform the miracle of laying on hands and I am known to offer advice on matters of the coin."



Benny is a Dungeon Saint, so don't expect spells, he deals in miracles (and coin).  The difference is that Clerics are pretty straight forward and reliable with their magic, sure it might fizzle out here and there (bad rolls), but Saints talk directly to the source and ask "What can [GOD] do for me today?".  Sometimes [GOD] answers, "Oy, here's a miracle ya schlub!" and sometimes [GOD] is too busy shtuppin shepherdesses or stealing another [GOD]'s cattle to pay any attention to mere mortals (but as mentioned, Benny can perform some miracles reliably without asking, Healing is one of them, just to make sure he was useful on an adventure).

Also, admittedly to reflect his old age, I traded some of the Saints head-busting points for smooth talking... to better reflect the Lord of Merchants (and Thieves and Con Artists).  Benny would prefer to talk his way out of trouble, but he does carry a shield and wear armor for when it's time to stop sparing the rod.


[EDIT]
And Benny is Played by evileeyore, so the following groups are off limits for him baring limited crossovers or divine intervention:
Juniors (Jareth), Seekers of the Flame (Jednesa), Against the Mageguild (Dilandua), Temple Hill (Stenet), Trading with Trolls (Ülo).

His combat and 'adventuring' skills are thin enough to fit well into 125 or 62 point group, though his Smooth Talking, Charisma, and Social Skills are solidly into the 250 point range for diplomancing.  And his Healing and miracles are strong enough to perhaps elevate him out those lower groups completely (overshadowing with power).
[/EDIT]

This message was last edited by the player at 15:07, Sat 25 Apr 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1705 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 20:32
Re: Out of Character 9
i have a number of completed pcs, i'd like to introduce as well...
Alastor Pouviours (+125),
Gennojo (+75),
Kunio Yamamoto (+250),
Mikogami (250+)

This message was last edited by the player at 20:50, Sat 25 Apr 2020.

Aldous Hack
 player, 133 posts
 Housekeeper's orphan,
 Street runner, rogue
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 21:46
Re: Out of Character 9
We could use a good healer.  Not sure how much good those other skills would be (so far, we've seen only rats, in swarms and size XXL, and walking corpses).
Aine Walsh
 player, 53 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 22:45
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aldous Hack (msg # 325):

Yeah, the Mug and Couldron are <100 cp, so he would likely overshadow the group. Unless he planned the hire them...all!
Narrator
 GM, 7701 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 15:27
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 326):

Already planning something Merchant's guild related... a membership perhaps?
Benny Morales
 player, 2 posts
 Hermetic Envoy
 HP 10/10 FP 12/12 PF 11
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 21:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Aine Walsh:
Yeah, the Mug and Couldron are <100 cp, so he would likely overshadow the group. Unless he planned the hire them...all!

Well, if my services were needed I could certainly swing by and heal any who are very badly wounded... for a small donation to the coffers of Hermes of course.



The interesting thing is Benny can perform resurrections, Hermes willing.
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1028 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 21:31
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Benny Morales (msg # 328):

As can Kirpich... though with a cost of 300, we might need a big group to assist! But of the players that have died, which would you resurrect?
Benny Morales
 player, 3 posts
 Hermetic Envoy
 HP 10/10 FP 12/12 PF 11
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 21:39
Re: Out of Character 9
Kirpich Rockson:
As can Kirpich... though with a cost of 300, we might need a big group to assist! But of the players that have died, which would you resurrect?

Benny's a Saint, not a Cleric, so he doesn't pay FP normally... he prays and Hermes willing, it happens.

Gas anyone actually died PC-wise?  I know I haven't read over every thread, but I can't think of any Character that was around that is gone due to death...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1706 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 21:46
Re: Out of Character 9
broderick got killed off. lol
Benny Morales
 player, 4 posts
 Hermetic Envoy
 HP 10/10 FP 12/12 PF 11
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 22:33
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
broderick got killed off. lol

Well... 'killed off' is a bit different than 'died'.  I mean it's not the Player is here trying to raise up an expedition to retrieve the corpse and get him rezzed.


And... yes.  Benny, having not had to interact with Broderik, could be persuaded to ask Hermes for a rez.  Though now that I think more about it, Hermes (as a psychopomp) conducted the souls of the departed to the Underworld, not the other way about... though being a trickster god, he might be up for some 'reverse the spirit journey' shenanigans.
Mancini
 player, 356 posts
 Shrewd Guildsman, Rank 3
 Charisma 2, Voice
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 22:56
Re: Out of Character 9
Would Benny be willing to teach such skills to someone with the cash to put into the appropriate coffers?
Benny Morales
 player, 5 posts
 Hermetic Envoy
 HP 10/10 FP 12/12 PF 11
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 02:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Mancini:
Would Benny be willing to teach such skills to someone with the cash to put into the appropriate coffers?

All are welcome to learn if they have the coin.
Mancini
 player, 357 posts
 Shrewd Guildsman, Rank 3
 Charisma 2, Voice
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 16:17
Re: Out of Character 9
What would the Church of Hermes consider an appropriate donation? Asking for a very interested bureaucrat...
Narrator
 GM, 7705 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 17:06
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mancini (msg # 335):

Rank in the merchant guild paid for with s"liberated" coin would getvyou noticed, cash from any source to revitalize the temple. The current priest is a wealthy ranking member of the Merchant's guild who requires donations to the temple to get audiences and transact business. He has jewlers make all sorts of emblems and trinkets for the temple, and the temple, on an accessible lower portion of temple hill not too far removedfrom the sheine of Priapus. In town is a smaller shrine, part of a gymnasium, reflecting the athletic aspect of Mercury.  There are rumored to be a series of shrines to his thiefly aspect, once tended by the disbanded rogues guild. Finding and tending each of these would surely gain hermetic favor.
Ales Konstantin
 player, 842 posts
 Spellsword
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 20:43
Re: Out of Character 9
I smell an upcoming plotline for Mancini...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1707 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 22:35
Re: Out of Character 9
"As to my employer,  he's been around for a long time, he is a man of wealth, and taste."
Pleased ta meeeetchu! *WOOOO WOOOOOOOO!, WOOOO WOOOOOOOO! AWW YEAAH!!*

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 22:35, Mon 27 Apr 2020.

Grimaldi
 player, 643 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 22:37
Re: Out of Character 9
What's puzzling you, is just the nature of his game. Hope ya guess his name...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1708 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 22:40
Re: Out of Character 9
maybe he teach Chye how to play maracas.
No contracts though.
Mancini
 player, 359 posts
 Shrewd Guildsman, Rank 3
 Charisma 2, Voice
Mon 27 Apr 2020
at 23:29
Re: Out of Character 9
Mancini has strong suspicions on his identity, but isn't about to cut any sort of deals.
Rethus
 NPC, 18 posts
 Handsome stranger
Tue 28 Apr 2020
at 18:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 340):


"$50 for a copy of Idiot's guide to playing maracas, $40 for a set, 1 point in maracas, -1 likes to play maracas, cash refundable if you leave a booklet of erotic woodcuts in the cathedral ofthe Triunists.No contract."

Chye Isuel
 player, 1710 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 28 Apr 2020
at 21:12
Re: Out of Character 9
naughty naughty
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1450 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 13:36
Re: Out of Character 9
Sowing chaos.  Selling relatively mundane goods that aren't readily available in Northport, then offering a discount or refund for doing something that sows chaos in the community.  Who needs souls, when simple penuriousness does the same work?
Rethus
 NPC, 19 posts
 Handsome stranger
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 14:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 344):

"Contract terms usually involve conditional advantages, coupled with disadvantages. The first level is owing a favor (-1), the next involves excommunication (-10) and cannot be raised or contacted via necromancy except in hell (-1), greater rewards may add a further cost of Vulnerable to Holy (-10) and Detects as Evil (0), and more than that would include Duty, involuntary, summonable (-20). Anything that doesn't cost points is a cash or favor based transaction, although you can contract for anything you want.  Stealing from one of our shops is also pleasing to us."
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1986 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 16:09
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Who needs souls, when simple penuriousness does the same work?

Not sure that word means what ya think it means...

"Who needs souls, when simple 'desire to not spend money' does the same work?"

See, don't quite flow right.  Mean, has proper grammar, an conveys meaning, but was that what ya were aiming for?  Doing t'e Devil's work'll get t'em what t'ey want, so, yeah, tradin favors for damnation...
Narrator
 GM, 7710 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 20:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 346):

gonna keep answering what I can as I can
Dilandua
 player, 45 posts
 Shadow Elf
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 21:31
Re: Out of Character 9
And this is when the Mageguild Killing crew realizes that Dilandua forgot to mention that oneself is a ranged weapon...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1452 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 23:02
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
Ardenas Barehand:
Who needs souls, when simple penuriousness does the same work?

Not sure that word means what ya think it means...

"Who needs souls, when simple 'desire to not spend money' does the same work?"

See, don't quite flow right.  Mean, has proper grammar, an conveys meaning, but was that what ya were aiming for?  Doing t'e Devil's work'll get t'em what t'ey want, so, yeah, tradin favors for damnation...


Flows better when you use the single word that replaces the phrase.  And yes, that's exactly what I meant.  The Northport version of offshoring jobs to keep prices down, presented in such a way that some might not even realize they're doing the work of demons or devils (the two seem to cross over a lot here).
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1988 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 00:09
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Flows better when you use the single word that replaces the phrase.  And yes, that's exactly what I meant.

Just checking.  You pulled out an 'archaic' word that even I had to go look up... so I was just making sure you were aiming at that.

quote:
...of demons or devils (the two seem to cross over a lot here).

They are the same thing as long as your not in a D&D campaign.
Jednesa
 player, 444 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 00:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Elaina Grattan:
"Why do we need to have people waking through the night?  The Frog God has given me a spell that will instantly wake me if anyone or anything enters its area with hostile intent -- so we only need awake if we're attacked; we can all sleep straight through a quiet night."

It's times like this that I really wish Jednesa were smart enough to make a coherent argument against this...  oh well.  The tank will probably survive... if she even wakes during the inevitable ambush.



And pssst Mario, you posted as Aldous in the Junior thread.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 258 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 23:03
Re: Out of Character 9
Father is out of the hospital.  What's a little pneumonia among friends?  Thankfully no Covid, which would have really put an exclamation point on that.  Everything is back to normal.

Oh, wait.  I mentioned Covid.  Crap.  It's still bonkers.  Just slightly less so.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1456 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 1 May 2020
at 11:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Yeah.  That.

And on top of that, my house is currently torn up.  Got a contractor to "patch" a soft spot in the kitchen floor, turns out something had been leaking under the sink and instead of a few hundred dollars it's now something over five thousand.  Good news is, insurance is paying most of all of that (minus deductible, of course).

Bad news is, walling in and plumbing my darkroom, which was also to have been done this week, won't even start until Monday, and I have to be back at work on Monday.  Boss is letting me have the rest of next week off, though.  Meanwhile, painting today.  Where did I put my safety glasses (to keep the paint off my seeing glasses), anyway?
Balir Ironhide
 player, 259 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Fri 1 May 2020
at 14:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Sorry to hear about your water leak.  Having the kitchen out of action is...rough.  On the upside, you'll avoid the Covid-19, meaning the extra pounds people have put on going to the fridge so often.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1713 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Fri 1 May 2020
at 14:41
Re: Out of Character 9
covid schovid blowvid! bah humbug!!!
Narrator
 GM, 7718 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 1 May 2020
at 18:11
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 355):

Eh. Just got back my positive serum antibodies level. I was stupid lucky with minimal symptoms.  Glad your dad is out of the hospital Balir, here is to a speedy recovery for him.

Probably be checking in on Monday, no real downtime at work, family stuff this weekend.

Happy May Day all!
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1881 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 1 May 2020
at 20:33
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 356):

Sounds like everything still crazy. Probably have a drop in connection again next week, and for the next 6 weeks.
Oly
 player, 1209 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Fri 1 May 2020
at 23:10
Re: Out of Character 9
For 6 weeks straight or on and off like it has been?
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1882 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 1 May 2020
at 23:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 358):

Excellent question, well asked...just need to ask those who make decisions!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1457 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 2 May 2020
at 11:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Contractor's gone after kitchen work, back on Tuesday, now (has to deal with a rat problem in a rental house for one of his established clients).  Got the main construction done on the window insert (required for the "dark" part of darkroom) and the walls that won't be torn up to remove the mobile home door.

Contractor only needs to finish walling in, about five feet (frame, drywall, and mud) and install a standard prehung door in the new wall, then plumb in a laundry tub for a sink and install a counter with cabinet base.  Shouldn't be more than a couple days' work, if he doesn't find a disaster in the plumbing wall.  Sure glad my partner found this guy, he does better work than the last one we had in.

After he's done, I need to weatherstrip the new door (for light sealing) and paint the new section of wall; hopefully my enlarger carts will be here by then (free shipping from Lowe's is free, but it ain't fast, apparently), locate, haul in, and organize the stuff that's been in storage for the past five years, and I still need to get an Ikea type counter/cabinet to fill the dry side -- but I should be able to develop and print in there within a couple weeks after the construction work is done.

The weekend will be mostly reorganizing stuff disrupted by the kitchen work (which included new floor in the living room, as that was affected too), likely swapping the hinge on the fridge door so it can be moved to a more sensible location, finishing the window insert and painting it, and "other duties as assigned," as they say in job descriptions.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1990 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 2 May 2020
at 14:25
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
...t I should be able to develop and print in there within a couple weeks after the construction work is done.

Very cool.  I used to do photography (B&W only) back when I was in school.  Always considered taking it up again... but as a renter of modest means it was just never feasible.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1458 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 3 May 2020
at 12:09
Re: Out of Character 9
Check YouTube -- if you have a bathroom in your apartment, it can be a temporary darkroom for a couple hundred bucks or less.  You need a way to block light from any windows, possibly from the exhaust fan, and around the door, and something to set an enlarger on (a table that will bridge over the toilet stool works well).  If you can work only after dark, this is FAR easier; dark curtains and turning off lights outside the bathroom might be good enough for printing.

There are 35 mm enlargers that weigh only 10-15 lb. but I used to use a 4x5 enlarger that weight close to 60 lb. in a temporary bathroom darkroom by standing it on a kitchen cart and wheeling it in to work, out for storage (that might be a bit large for an apartment, though).  Enlargers can range from thousands of dollars (new condition, refurbished from a dealer, 4x5 size) to free (whatever shows on local Craigslist or similar).  My first one, back in the 1970s when every photographer needed (that is to say, they weren't obsolete "junk" like they were a few years ago) cost me $10 at a yard sale; came with a 35 mm film carrier, lens, and bulb.

Most places, you can use tap water for everything -- no need for distilled -- and most chemicals can just go down the drain into urban water treatment (not spent fixer, please, and not some of the more advanced stuff like reversal bleach).  Some chemicals are even safe for septic systems.

Minimum setup: changing bag, daylight developing tank w/ reel that fits your film, some airtight bottles big enough to hold the chemicals to fill your tank, some way to hang the film for drying (in the shower is good, you can run the shower for a couple minutes to pull dust out of the air before you hang the film).  Pair of scissors and a bottle opener (some folks don't bother with the opener, they just rip the 35mm cassette open with their fingers) or leader retriever -- these last needed only if you develop 35 mm; for 120 you don't need either.

Bought new, the equipment to process your film shouldn't cost more than $150, and you might be able to get a whole setup on eBay all at once for less than a third of that.  Enlarger, whatever you're willing to spend traded off against how long you'll wait for a bargain.  Film, chemicals, and printing paper are pretty much fixed cost, but you can start (enough to shoot, develop, and make some prints) for about $50.

And all of this will go in a good size box that will sit on the enlarger base plate in the bottom of a closet when not in use.
Narrator
 GM, 7723 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 3 May 2020
at 18:49
Re: Out of Character 9
I haven't smelled dektol since I was a student... 11 years ago for Xray, and 32 years ago for photography,  but I swear I could smell it there for a moment.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1992 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sun 3 May 2020
at 21:39
Re: Out of Character 9
Good ideas, though my bathrooms are tiny.  Might be able to set up in the garage though.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1460 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 4 May 2020
at 09:15
Re: Out of Character 9
Garages work well enough I know of at least three YouTubers who have garage darkrooms.  Seems to  me to be a PITA to light seal, but as long as you remember to disable the door opener (assuming there is one), so you don't get any surprises, there's the advantage of space.  Potentially the disadantage of a shortage of outlets, but darkrooms don't need too many of those.  Enlarger (which plugs into timer if you have one), safelight, potentially an immersion heater of some kind if you want to do color (needs 100-102F), inspection lamp (needs to be closer and brighter, likely whiter, than the main white light), possibly a dorm fridge to store bulk buy materials like film, printing paper, etc.

Dektol isn't the smell I usually associate with darkroom, it's the acetic acid in stop bath and the slight sulfur tang of fixer.  But yes, Dektol is pretty much the basic -- if you have a supply of Dektol and fixer, you can do what you need to do.  Dilute 1+9 for film (sharp, no grain reduction) and 1+2 for paper.  Not my favorite film developer (I prefer Parodinal -- made from acetaminophen -- and HC-110), but it does work well.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1461 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 4 May 2020
at 09:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Ugh.  Have to work today, so out of time.  Get back to my other threads this evening.
Narrator
 GM, 7734 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 5 May 2020
at 19:00
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 366):

Working on a painting.  Hopefully be on tomorrow
Rosewood
 player, 98 posts
 Pixie
 Wizardling
Tue 5 May 2020
at 22:55
Re: Out of Character 9
Will post tomorrow.

Life a bit odd at moment.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 261 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Wed 6 May 2020
at 19:10
Re: Out of Character 9
Dad is back in the hospital, so I will be a bit spotty for a few days.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1464 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Thu 7 May 2020
at 11:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Hope things improve again.

I may miss a morning or afternoon here and there over the next few days; construction on my darkroom should be mostly done today and then I have to help move stuff in there -- after fighting with FedEx to get the two kitchen carts I ordered (for enlargers) off their delivery truck.  They've been out for delivery the last two days, only to land back at the FedEx facility, quite possibly because they train their drivers to give up at the slightest impediment.  Also have to finish building the window insert (caulk up with black caulk, paint outdoor side black, glue foam in place with more caulk, weatherstrip, install, and paint room side to match walls).  Still, hope to be able to at least develop film in there (i.e. room light tight and water working) by Monday.

Then, next weekend, I get to rearrange things in my office space and clear out a bunch of junk, set up my partner's old desk -- and probably get volunteered to help with other stuff, like setting up partner's new desk.  It's all worth it, though, I should be able to make B&W prints by the weekend after.  Color will take a bit longer...

Affects:
Ardenas Barehand
Mario Crowfoot
Aldous Hack
Evelina Grattan
Elaina Grattan
Chye Isuel
 player, 1717 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 7 May 2020
at 11:26
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 370):

shipping has been slow as molasses. i'm still waiting on my damned percolater coffee pot, i ordered a week ago to ship. been that way with all my mail order purchases the past couple months.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1465 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Thu 7 May 2020
at 12:07
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
damned percolater coffee pot


Ugh.  Very apt description.  One of the worst possible ways to make coffee.

Pour-over drip is best, in my opinion, followed by automatic drip and espresso.  Given automatic drip machines are inexpensive, usually available locally, and can be had with internal clock/timer (so my coffee is ready when I stumble into the kitchen about 4:05 on a weekday, and the machine will automatically shut off the warmer after an hour or two), that method wins in my house.

I have a little espresso machine (fully manual, pump fed) that works well, but due to space it's "put away" and now I'm afraid the insert for the filter has gotten lost (filter's in the dish rack, the insert isn't in it; hopefully it's in there too, or in the sink).  Without the insert, the whole machine is useless, as there's no way to tamp the coffee and the machine is a long discontinued model.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1717 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 7 May 2020
at 12:51
Re: Out of Character 9
I agree, but it's really the only way to make coffee, in the bush. I can perk a great cuppa java.

This message was last edited by the player at 12:52, Thu 07 May 2020.

Oly
 player, 1212 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Thu 7 May 2020
at 17:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Actually you can steep coffee in the field. Get the water just below boiling or boild it and add a bit of cold water to stop the boil, then add coffee. You can just pour the grounds in or warp them in cheeses cloth or a very clean sock. Let it steep about 5 minutes or so, then IF you just poured the grounds in, pour a small amount of cool water in to settle the grounds. My old mess sergeants also suggested a couple of egg shells after you broke the eggs for breakfast. The egg whites tends to gather up floating grounds too. I prefer the cheese cloth or pour through filter, which really is easy to use as long as you have two containers, one with boiled water and one for coffee.

Anyway, just other solutions ... some folks just boil grounds adding water and grounds as needed during the day ... I can't recommend that as coffee though. Scissors beside the pot to use to cut the flow off is a bad sign.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1993 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Thu 7 May 2020
at 22:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
They've been out for delivery the last two days, only to land back at the FedEx facility, quite possibly because they train their drivers to give up at the slightest impediment.

At imagined impediments as well.  See... the drivers are given a route for the day and are told "get these deliveries done by X o' clock".  The schedule is supposed to take into account all stops, traffic, flights of stairs, and even leave wiggle room for things like "broken elevator and 10th floor delivery".  In practice however...  if your stop is after the 'midway' point and the driver is running late (because the algorithm scheduling program is garbage), and your package cannot be left at the door, most drivers will practice ye olde "stop, hop out, run to door, lightly knock, run to truck, leave before resident can get to door" in order to make up for time and just mark your package 'undeliverable'.




Oly:
Anyway, just other solutions ... some folks just boil grounds adding water and grounds as needed during the day ...

That isn't coffee.  That's punishment.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1466 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 8 May 2020
at 01:37
Re: Out of Character 9
It is possible to make tolerable coffee in a percolator, but not easy.  I've done it, over a campfire.  The trick is knowing when to stop, and it's sooner than most would think.  Boiling coffee is very bad for it, so you want to take the percolator off the heat as soon as there's color in the dome, don't keep perking until it looks like coffee in there.

There's so little coffee showing in the dome that any color there at all is dark enough for correctly brewed coffee; continuing past that point is just continuing to boil the coffee and overextract the grounds -- and making the coffee bitter and burnt tasting.

If you can boil water, you can operate a pour-over filter.  Melitta (and I presume other vendors) make one that just fits on the top of a coffee mug.  Boil your water, take it off the heat, wait a few seconds for the boil to subside, then pour it slowly over the grounds in the paper filter.  Fill up the filter, and stop pouring to let the coffee run through.  The #2 filters used in most of the single-cup brewers are likely to require filling the filter a second time to get a good sized mug filled, but you'll get good coffee, presuming you start with good quality and reasonably fresh grounds (no more than a week since grinding, ideally ground fresh from beans roasted within the past couple weeks).

A single-cup cone filter and small spice grinder (which works fine for a couple cups worth of beans at a time) probably weigh less than a percolator and will make much better coffee.  The grounds and filter are fully biodegradable, or can be burnt in the fire (the latter probably better, coffee grounds are harmful to some animals) -- or can be packed out, if you're a no-trace camper.  In the latter case, drip coffee also uses less stove fuel than percolating, as the water doesn't have to be held on the boil.
Narrator
 GM, 7747 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 8 May 2020
at 17:09
Re: Out of Character 9
Permanant bronze mesh filters for pour over are available and fairly cheap, they do acquire bitter oils after a point though.
Good luck with your roughing it!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1994 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Fri 8 May 2020
at 17:46
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
If you can boil water, you can operate a pour-over filter.

When I've gone camping I take two camp pots, one to boil the water in, one to make the coffee in.

Granted I've been spoiled last several camping trips as I was running a LARP and we had a pair of guys who lived close enough they'd go home each night and return at day break... with several gallons of Dunkin Donuts coffee cartons to bribe the GMs with.

I of course approved of coffee and donut bribery and made sure they got extra exps.  This wasn't hypocrisy, we had a pro-bribe the GMs and Narrators policy after all.
Narrator
 GM, 7748 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 8 May 2020
at 19:21
Re: Out of Character 9
As it s Mother's day this weekend I will be scarce until Monday. Be good
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1467 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 8 May 2020
at 20:56
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
Permanant bronze mesh filters for pour over are available and fairly cheap, they do acquire bitter oils after a point though.
Good luck with your roughing it!


The permanent filters are, in my experience, inferior to paper filters, and fragile enough that it's easy to destroy one when trying to scrub away the accumulated oils.  Paper filters trap more of those oils and keep them out of your cup -- which is better for your health, as well (the fatty acids the paper traps are bad for your cholesterol balance).

None the less, if cowboy coffee is all the coffee I can get, I'll drink it.  I'll look around for some sort of milk product (even powdered milk, if it goes that far) and artificial sweetener (or sugar, if I'm desperate -- 10 grams isn't that much, on a short term basis).  Good coffee, I can and will drink black.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1719 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 9 May 2020
at 00:01
Re: Out of Character 9
i take mine black, with sugar. if i'm making iced, i add whole milk.
though, i like milk and sugar in my hot tea, and iced chai, is a whole new can of worms..
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 1996 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP: 9/9 FP: 4/10
Sat 9 May 2020
at 01:16
Re: Out of Character 9
My drinks in order of amount per day...

5L Red Rose Tea, black
2.12L Coffee, tannish (1/2 & 1/2†)
0.5L Water, tap
.00001L V-8‡  Usually heated with butter, sriracha, and a mix of herbs and spices.

These are estimates as some days I drink a little less (because it's a slow day so I'm not talking as much) or I drink more (busy day with lots of talking and/or I'm out mowing lawns for a half the day - which I do once a week for cash).  But on average, yeah I drink that much.  Untreated/undiagnosed diabetes makes one very, very, very thirsty.




† Despite being lactose intolerant.  Powdered crap tastes even worse than diary does these days.  And I've yet to enjoy any dairy substitute liquid (I'm mean I don't enjoy dairy either, but it's better than non-dairy or black).

‡ Every so often I want a 'soup bowl' of V-8.  But because I'm thrifty I always buy it in the biggest bottles... and it won't store for long once opened, so I'll burn through a 64 fl oz bottle in week or two, like once every two-three months.  I like it as a tastier, thinner version of tomatoe soup.


And yes, I do know roughly how much I drink, not because I deliberately track it, but because I drink from specific bottles, in set amounts (2 bottle of coffee, 3 bottles of tea, 1 bottle of water) so it's real easy to track retroactively.  The V-8 is harder to figure because it's sporadic and I don't keep track (also I don't so much 'drink it' as I 'eat it' as soup with grilled cheese sammies, I mean, I drink it and dunk the grilled cheese in it... look you get the idea).
Narrator
 GM, 7751 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 11 May 2020
at 17:03
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 382):

I tend to have artificially sweetened dairy products that have been minimally exposed to coffee that is frequently decaffinated, along with pale milky red rose or chai tea, and a crap ton of diet decaffeinated iced tea. I am told to avoud stro g doses of caffeine as it can detract from the effectiveness of my assorted meds, and am a teatotaler for the same reason.
Narrator
 GM, 7759 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 13 May 2020
at 19:35
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 383):

Combo plate today, painting plus ikea shelf assembly
Chye Isuel
 player, 1721 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 13 May 2020
at 20:18
Re: Out of Character 9
when i was growing up, in the winter, we'd heat up tomato juice, with a dash of worcestershire, and a pat of butter before we'd hit the toboggans. my aunt liked to drink spicy v-8 and beer, to make "snappy toms". i have an older roommate who does the same, for his hangovers. i don't drink much myself, anymore. i'd gotten that all done with by the time i was 20, after about 5 yrs of heavy drinking/partying. i like to drink a couple 32 oz's and call it a night, although i do like to smoke my cannabis. :)-~~
Stara Babicka
 NPC, 8 posts
 Fey woman of the fens
Thu 14 May 2020
at 17:34
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 385):

Just so the New in Town crww is clear, the wild goose chase you went on was because of a critical failure on a lore roll. You did end up learning a little (Rosewood from another Pixie) and from the hag (low reaction roll; she could have given more) but you know more about the factions of Faerie, and have a handful still of magic hazelnuts.  Carry on.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2001 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Fri 15 May 2020
at 21:48
Re: Out of Character 9
When your pagan god has to come down and chastise you about your Sacrifriday conduct, you know you done fucked up...

(a mini-comic by the Mighty Yaba, McNostril himself... Yann Ben Alluch)

https://twitter.com/mcnostrilc.../1258805716485316612
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1470 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 15 May 2020
at 22:48
Re: Out of Character 9
That was worth a genuine belly laugh!  Thank you, Evileeyore!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2002 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 16 May 2020
at 01:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
That was worth a genuine belly laugh!  Thank you, Evileeyore!

And immediately after posting it (I've been sitting on it for days waiting for it to finish) I found he wasn't even done yet (check back over the next two days for three more comics).
Narrator
 GM, 7774 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 16 May 2020
at 14:40
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 389):

To the rice run crew, feel like adding a farmer cleric? Healing and sunbolt.


To the prospective cleric, you arebig on animal husbandry so no prudishness! Not part of your template.
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 1006 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Sat 16 May 2020
at 16:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Combat healers are always welcome, at least with me.
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1040 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Sat 16 May 2020
at 16:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Ah, yes, Hephaestus.  The Romans called him Vulcan (and at least in some versions, Aphrodite/Venus was his questionably faithful wife).  Lame, because in more ancient times than the Greeks, tribes used to hamstring their smiths to keep them from taking their skills on the road.  Hunchbacked, in some versions, perhaps mainly due to the asymmetric muscle growth from hammering all day, every day, beginning in late childhood (longbow archers had a similar condition due to drawing a bow of up to a hundred pounds, thousands of times a year).

In the Greek myths, the creator of the sword and shield of Perseus, as well as Athena's mechanical owl automaton.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1723 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 16 May 2020
at 16:58
Re: Out of Character 9
I've always been a fan of hermes, and his son, dionysus.
perseus, and odysseus, and orpheous are probably my favored heroes.
Grimaldi
 player, 659 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sat 16 May 2020
at 17:00
Re: Out of Character 9
Aeneas, is pretty cool too.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2004 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 16 May 2020
at 21:09
Re: Out of Character 9
"He's too much chaos in one person" says the curious, impulsive, xenophile Elder Thing cultist...
bear
 player, 10 posts
 Roawr
 Gimme a HUG!
Sat 16 May 2020
at 21:42
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 389):

To the prospective cleric, you are big on animal husbandry so no prudishness! Not part of your template.


Not sure I see the connection between prudishness and animal husbandry...bigger fan of plants to be honest! I have 5 spells specific to plants, and just 1 specific to animals. Farming and Naturalist can g either way...
Narrator
 GM, 7782 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 17 May 2020
at 18:44
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to bear (msg # 396):

1) I am not accepting another uneccessarily prudish character from you muchless one involved in fertility worship.

2) this is for anyone: the only creatures with packs are draft animals like horses, mules, camels, lamas. No dogs, cats, or elementals wear packs. Humainoid laborers, and , yes, golems can carry gear, but no little dogs. Or extraplanar things. If you own a saddle or saddlebags, and create animal, you can make a pack horse but not a pack snake, bear, eagle or anything not normally used for this purpose.
Hire a laborer, buy a wheelbarrow, or just spend points on lifting strength, but stop trying to make inappropriate creatures and creations wear a backpack !

This message was last edited by the GM at 18:50, Sun 17 May 2020.

Grimaldi
 player, 661 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sun 17 May 2020
at 18:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 397):
what about necromantic, draft animals, and mounts? like mummified/skeletal horses/oxen?
Narrator
 GM, 7785 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 17 May 2020
at 18:57
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 398):

Those are valud, as are humanoid undead. Skull spirits are a no.
bear
 player, 11 posts
 Roawr
 Gimme a HUG!
Sun 17 May 2020
at 21:47
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
In reply to bear (msg # 396):

1) I am not accepting another unnecessarily prudish character from you muchless one involved in fertility worship.


Those two seem opposite extremes, but ok. I had no intention of having him a prude...it does not seem to be a part of ancient chinese philosophies.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1724 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sun 17 May 2020
at 23:16
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to bear (msg # 400):
only for those bhuddists, and those whose specifically sworn oaths of chastity.
which chye hasn't!
Narrator
 GM, 7790 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 19 May 2020
at 17:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 401):

Back tomorrow
Saishi Jin
 player, 2 posts
 Harvest priest
Thu 21 May 2020
at 03:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 402):

I notice we do not make use of Language groups. Do we just specifiy when we speak in a language other than Aralaise?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2009 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 21 May 2020
at 03:52
Re: Out of Character 9
Saishi Jin:
I notice we do not make use of Language groups. Do we just specifiy when we speak in a language other than Aralaise?

Mostly the GM (and some Players - mostly so far just me...) uses substitute languages and Private Messaging in post to convey foreign lang usage and understanding.

Frex:

"Right now I'm murderin t'e common tongue." in Accented Arailiase.

"Nüüd räägin ma trolli keeles."  (Private to CHARACTER NAME: Now I'm speaking in trollish.)

"Jetzt spreche ich in Zwergen."  (Private to CHARACTER NAME: Now I'm speaking in dwarven.)


Noting that the above Private text would use brackets to actually be private.


Otherwise, yes, just toss parenthesis or something around what you're saying and indicate it's in a foreign language if you're not into copypastaing from google translate.
Saishi Jin
 player, 3 posts
 Harvest priest
Thu 21 May 2020
at 04:01
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 404):

What if I don't know who else knows the language?
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 1007 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Thu 21 May 2020
at 09:16
Re: Out of Character 9
What do you do in real life when you don't know who knows what languages?

Try speaking in a likely-seeming choice, and see what (if any) response you get.  If you choose, I presume the boss (or Jareth's player) could post up a list of what actual languages are used for which in game.

As I recall, Aralaise is posted in English, despite being linguistically closer to actual French.
Valdassyan appears to be a mix of Spanish and Arabic (or may be Arabic with minor Spanish influence).
Shevnian (also spoken by many Orcs, or Urhaqui as they call themselves) is either Russian or something else from Eastern Europe, written with Cyrillic.
Jareth somehow manages to post Eldritch (the Elder speech, my native tongue) as a combination of R'lyehian and Valyrian with a Welsh accent, I think.
Sahudese is generally posted as transliterated from a combination of Mandarin and Japanese.  Boss requests we always include the transliteration.
Dwarvish is posted in German.
Elvish is posted in Welsh.

I think those are all the languages we run into with any frequency, though there are more around.  There is a population in Northport who speak Hindi among themselves, at least a couple individuals who speak actual German (as opposed to Dwarvish, which is posted as German), Father Robards (a goblin Christian priest) and some of his congregation speak and read Latin, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to encounter actual Greek or Hebrew, especially if one went looking for them.
Saishi Jin
 player, 4 posts
 Harvest priest
Thu 21 May 2020
at 09:23
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 406):

Oh, I have understood plenty of the Russian, even without the translator! Unfortunately my character did not know Shevnian, so I had to play dumb! Sahudese in Mandarin of Japanese...that makes it tricky though as in RL I don't know either of them, so I will not know which translator to plug it into, since this character speaks in Sahudese most of the time...

I actually did study Greek, many years ago, and a little latin, but have forgotten pretty much all of it...Should we have a list up so that people whose characters speak languages they don't can know which google translate to use?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2010 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 21 May 2020
at 11:13
Re: Out of Character 9
Chou-Zhen Mou:
Shevnian (also spoken by many Orcs, or Urhaqui as they call themselves) is either Russian or something else from Eastern Europe, written with Cyrillic.

Shevnain is Slovak (close enough to Russian I suppose), as is Orcish.  Ogres speak Czech.  Technically, all three can speak the others languages at broken as Orcs speak an "orcish version of Shevnian".

Trolls speak Estonian.  Gobbos and Hobs speak Yoruba (because it fit the naming style they have).

quote:
Jareth somehow manages to post Eldritch (the Elder speech, my native tongue) as a combination of R'lyehian and Valyrian with a Welsh accent, I think.

Exactly... I muddle through using a R'lyehian dictionary (https://www.yog-sothoth.com/wiki/index.php/R%27lyehian) and a High Valyrian translator (https://lingojam.com/EnglishtoValyrianTranslator).  And I sometimes combine or make up "it looks right" words for Eldritch...

Linguistics is a hobby of mine, unfortunately my ear isn't good enough to speak them (mostly I just study what makes up languages, I used to be able to speak "English as though it never had any Latin roots", that was weird, but still remarkably understandable).

The Welsh is because Elves used to speak Welsh when I started and then sometime a few years ago the boss started using Sindarin for them...  though this may be in flux again as I'm in discussions about it (I'd prefer not to use Sindarin, the alphabet is ludicrously small).

quote:
... it wouldn't surprise me at all to encounter actual Greek or Hebrew, especially if one went looking for them.

Greek is used by some Sages for research, as is latin.  Latin is also used by the Triunists, and I suspect Hebrew might be used by 'old school' monotheistic Triunists (though I can't speak with any sort of reliability here, none of my characters are Triunists, as they all worship in radically different ways, radically different deities or Edler Things).



[EDIT]
I had to delve into this with Jareth because as a linguist (he has almost all those languages on his Character Sheet), I figured they'd come up.  And once I recognized that gwythaint hates the gobbledygook that the Language Groups use, I figured I should have all these languages in my bookmarks...
[/EDIT]

This message was last edited by the player at 11:21, Thu 21 May 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7798 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 21 May 2020
at 18:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Shevnian is Slovakian, Orcish was Slovenian. Trolls speak Estonian, due to the preponderance of dotted letters, and proximity to Finnish.
 I may shift to Georgian for elven, due to the better vocab than the Sindarin translator.
I have been trying to use the Black Speech of Mordor for Gobs, but the translator is hideously limited.

I have been using Chinese (simplified) for Sahudese, but pulling names out of whichever mythology things come from; most of the Yokai are Japanese,  Ming-Sa was based on Ming-Na.
Saishi Jin
 player, 6 posts
 Harvest priest
Thu 21 May 2020
at 20:03
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 409):

Cool. I will keep using Mandarin (which is Chinese (Simplified)). How does the last post work, using spoilers for the translation?
Balir Ironhide
 player, 267 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 21 May 2020
at 21:23
Re: Out of Character 9
I should be doing broken Araliase.  Keep forgetting it.  Maybe I'll put one of those points into spoken so my lack of mental acuity isn't bad character play.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2011 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 21 May 2020
at 22:00
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir Ironhide:
I should be doing broken Araliase.  Keep forgetting it.  Maybe I'll put one of those points into spoken so my lack of mental acuity isn't bad character play.

That's okay, Jareth has a weird accent for an Elf... I based it on Welsh... but now that elves speak Georgian he sounds odd for an Elf.

Which is fine.  I mean, he's a weird guy anyway.
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 1008 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Thu 21 May 2020
at 22:10
Re: Out of Character 9
Saishi Jin:
In reply to Narrator (msg # 409):

Cool. I will keep using Mandarin (which is Chinese (Simplified)). How does the last post work, using spoilers for the translation?


Almost everything that gets posted in other than English is pasted from Google Translate (Jareth is the exception here -- Chou-Zhen speaks Eldritch, but the player can't even consistently make sense of Jareth's posts with both translators, never mind go the other way).

If Mario says something in Shevnian that someone in the thread shouldn't understand, I'll type what I want to say, plug it into Google Translate, and then copy/paste the result to the thread.  Aldous is Triunist and has Latin only at broken (aside from memorized prayers), so a word or two here and there does the job; I usually have to dig up the pre-1980s version of Catholic prayers for that.

Rather than using true spoilers for the translation, you'll want to use "insert a private line" in the lower right of the editor, and select GM.  PCs who should understand what you've said can retranslate, and those who shouldn't can choose to metagame or not (Aldous has understood almost nothing of the recent exchanges in the Mug and Cauldron, because he doesn't speak a word of Shevnian (it's not that common in Artisan, that area is mostly goblins and they mostly speak Aralaise in public).

And yes, it's a bit of extra work, but it's a fun role-playing opportunity that few if any face to face games can include (picture looking up what you want to say in Shevnian in an English/Slovakian dictionary, then not being able to read the Cyrillic/Greek alphabet well enough to pronounce the words).
Balir Ironhide
 player, 268 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 21 May 2020
at 22:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Wanted to make a few observations for Jareth's driver here.

Honestly, I think he's fairly refreshing, as he breaks most of the typical fantasy RP conventions.  Most of your characters hit this mark, to varying degrees.  That's pretty much what GURPs is all about, and so I applaud you for the creativity.  (this applies to many people, by the way)

The flip side of that is the characters can be a little hard to relate to sometimes.  I don't mean that to be negative in any way.  Your deep knowledge of the system from more of a developer perspective is impressive.  It's more of an observation for myself.

As a player, I have to guess what your characters can and cannot do.  They don't fit into traditional roles, or match up with conventional stereotypes.  In real life, the different people in the group would have a much better feel for each other.  In a RP setting, I am sometimes unsure how my characters should act.  For example, when Jareth seems to know all about the Eldritch realm, how should Nodwin and the group react?

From a metagame standpoint, we work together and recognize that the players are typically unified for one goal.  If this were real life, it strikes me just how different this would be.  The other characters would likely start with fear of Jareth's abilities, leading to judgement because he is different.  Realistically, I have to ask myself if the relationship between the characters would be strong enough to ward off the inevitable bigotry that would creep in for some.  It's a deep philosophical question well worth a few minutes of examination.

I personally think it's a great allegory for real life.  Let's think about it in that context, and not discuss it here.  I want to preserve the sanctity of the game for everyone, no matter their backgrounds or world views.  Why do I bring this up?  It is my hope that we could learn something from the game, and bridge some divides in our lives.  No one seems to be happy with the current state of affairs, and I'd like to build on what we can agree on instead of focusing on the tribal groupings.  We should be coming together in times like these, at least in my opinion.

Please, please, forgive the soap box.  I'm (perhaps naively or innocently) trying to make things better in my own little way.
Gareth
 player, 615 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Fri 22 May 2020
at 01:05
Re: Out of Character 9

Balir Ironhide:
From a metagame standpoint, we work together and recognize that the players are typically unified for one goal.  If this were real life, it strikes me just how different this would be.  The other characters would likely start with fear of Jareth's abilities, leading to judgement because he is different.  Realistically, I have to ask myself if the relationship between the characters would be strong enough to ward off the inevitable bigotry that would creep in for some.  It's a deep philosophical question well worth a few minutes of examination.
....


Pretty much the entire reason I created Gareth...and the way I play him! It is actually fun to play out some of these bigotries a little.
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 383 posts
Fri 22 May 2020
at 02:54
Re: Out of Character 9
And I have patiently been foiled by you again and again.  No easy button for Haveron.  Ever.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2012 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Fri 22 May 2020
at 03:45
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir Ironhide:
Honestly, I think he's fairly refreshing, as he breaks most of the typical fantasy RP conventions.

Thanks!  Most of my characters are a bit more 'straightlaced', Jareth is a bit weird.  He wasn't quite this weird five years/days ago (years real time, days game time), but his last five days have been real eventful...

quote:
As a player, I have to guess what your characters can and cannot do.  They don't fit into traditional roles, or match up with conventional stereotypes.  In real life, the different people in the group would have a much better feel for each other.  In a RP setting, I am sometimes unsure how my characters should act.  For example, when Jareth seems to know all about the Eldritch realm, how should Nodwin and the group react?

Hah, yaeh.  Well, he was hired as a Sage and a guide into the undercity.  So he has specific knowledge there, as well as a lot of broad, but not deep knowledge in general.

But he was built as a Linguist and Sage with the potential to go Psi... and his boosted Hidden Lore skill is Elder Things.  Basically he knows a lot about stuff you don't want to know about, which means you don't have to worry because he knows it (hah).  And like all good Call of Cthulhu cultists detectives, the guy with the elder thing spells and knowledge is going to go crazy first...

I've been waiting* for Nodwin to decide he needs to have a talk with Jareth about what sorts of things are okay to invoke, or parlay with, or even talk to...  what is allowed to be 'known' is way passed stopping.  That barn doesn't even have doors no more.


* But it has only been an hour or two game time so Nodwin is probably still processing.


quote:
The other characters would likely start with fear of Jareth's abilities, leading to judgement because he is different.

About the only thing he's done that's really out there* is accidentally invoke a manifestation of YOG-SOTHOTH, which I mean, if I was thinking about it makes sense, there we were in the "outer realms" beyond space and time, and Jareth basically (as part of a spell) said "hey big guy, can you do me a solid and give me the power to shut these gates down?" and good ole YOG went "DON'T MIND IF I DO!".  So really, Jareth will be more careful about name dropping in the future.  Maybe.  Probably.  As long as he remembers to.  (which for someone with Eidetic Memory his Absent Minded kicks in a lot)


* And parlay with the Hob slaves of the Dark Ones who are probably setting out to murder everyone?  I'm still not sure exactly what they were talking about, but we seemed to part on good terms.  Maybe their dark gods will eat us last.



Chou-Zhen Mou:
(Jareth is the exception here -- Chou-Zhen speaks Eldritch, but the player can't even consistently make sense of Jareth's posts with both translators, never mind go the other way).

That's because A) R'lyehian is weird, half the 'words' are suffixes or prefixes to be added to other words, so I jam them on all hodge-podge, and 2) sometimes I have to fudge words in from other sources (like Black Speech) because there is no correspondent word in either R'lyehian or high Valyrian.

And lastly I'm just aiming at "does it look right"?  I mean, the dictionary has like maybe a 100 words between them, so I do an awful lot of shrugging and saying "yeah, that looks like someone with heavily accented Eldritch".

quote:
...then not being able to read the Cyrillic/Greek alphabet well enough to pronounce the words).

I can still pronounce Cyrillic.  But Greek has always been Greek to me...
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 577 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Fri 22 May 2020
at 14:46
Re: Out of Character 9
You, sir, just happened to pull the long straw.  Your main healer happens to have Curious, Selfless, and Weirdness Magnet, along with Imaginative and Broad-Minded as quirks.  Things have been strange for him his whole life, so he has learned to take all the oddities in stride.  In fact, he has come to accept that there is more out there, and is curious about it.

When I inherited the character, I had a few moments where I asked the very same question.  But Nodwin also has the  Sense of Duty to his fellow adventurers.  As built, he's going to watch you and support the group, and try to learn from all the craziness.

It does seem to be a bit at odds with his god of worship, but perhaps he was chosen by Vejovis because of his weirdness.  Maybe there is a greater plan for him spinning in the mind of...Gwythaint...?
Narrator
 GM, 7800 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 22 May 2020
at 17:37
Re: Out of Character 9
Vejovis needs Nodwin to speak for the underdog,  provide healing for all, and maybe overthrow the monarchial system. That work may take you into strange places.

Jareth also came to the group with needed benefits, Clarence and Charlene were originally his hirelings, and he used a personal item to really mess up the first batch of cultists they had dealt with. His abittraction of weird things (there were 4 people with weirdness magnet in the group at one point brought the Ymid to them, instead of to another are for its investigation of the street collapse, and he was able to speak with the gobbo slaves, but they are pretty chill with everyone due to experimental neurosurgery...
Narrator
 GM, 7802 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 22 May 2020
at 17:50
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 419):

Be back Monday
Clarence Montague
 player, 308 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Fri 22 May 2020
at 22:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 419):

I probably should have had weirdness magnet as well, but most of my other character have it and it was becoming a bit cliche. So instead he is a socially repulsive criminal with loyalty to his companions (read, whoever hired him!)

Not the most socially normal character though...
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 579 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Fri 22 May 2020
at 22:34
Re: Out of Character 9
"...Here there be spiders..."
Clarence Montague
 player, 309 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Fri 22 May 2020
at 22:37
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Nodwin Zideqick (msg # 422):

"Cute little fluffy little eight leggy spidies..." [Must be sung as a nursery rhyme]  why does he not have weirdness magnet again? Oh that is right, he is the weirdness attracted to the magnets!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2013 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Sat 23 May 2020
at 02:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
... the gobbo slaves, but they are pretty chill with everyone due to experimental neurosurgery...

See, and now we totally need to rescue those guys and get them some help.
Narrator
 GM, 7806 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 25 May 2020
at 15:09
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 424):

I did indicate in their descriptions that they had shaved heads with scarring on them.
Gareth
 player, 616 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Mon 25 May 2020
at 20:45
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 425):

Is a lobotomy on a Gobbo a bad thing? :)
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2017 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Tue 26 May 2020
at 03:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
I did indicate in their descriptions that they had shaved heads with scarring on them.

Both Jareth and I geeked out over the linguistics and ignored any oddities they displayed.



Gareth:
Is a lobotomy on a Gobbo a bad thing? :)

Depends.  Who is doing the lobotomy?  Why are they doing the lobotomy?  Is the goblin a friend or client or enemy of mine?
Gareth
 player, 617 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Tue 26 May 2020
at 07:58
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 427):

They were not friends before, or you would have known about it. Given they are Gobbos, odds are on enemies...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1471 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 26 May 2020
at 09:06
Re: Out of Character 9
Gareth, it isn't long (game time a couple weeks at most) since my group went to considerable effort to keep the population of town-dwelling goblin artisans from winding up in a war against the population of town-dwelling orc entertainers -- over a Romeo and Juliet situation involving rival crews of juggers and their cheerers.  I personally count Glosso the Quick and Razpodiel, one of Fezokeel's guards, as friends.
Gareth
 player, 618 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Tue 26 May 2020
at 09:13
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 429):

Friends? You have friends? Poor, vulnerable you...

Though Gareth might count some of his companions as friends. Well, those who can accept his weird twisted version of morality, perhaps! Probably would not use him as a character reference though...
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 384 posts
Tue 26 May 2020
at 16:09
Re: Out of Character 9
In a dramatic twist of irony...would Gareth consider Haveron to possibly be his closest friend...?
Adept Yisslitheniss
 player, 207 posts
 Reptileman cleric
Tue 26 May 2020
at 17:09
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 431):

Nah, It's the Adept I am sure...
Amelia Montaigne
 player, 77 posts
 Agent about town
Tue 26 May 2020
at 17:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Hmmm, that might be even more ironic....
Narrator
 GM, 7812 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 26 May 2020
at 18:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Amelia Montaigne (msg # 433):

I may be slowbovervthe next several days, I am not quite in the right headspace, and I have commissions  to work on tomorrow.
Gareth
 player, 619 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Tue 26 May 2020
at 20:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 434):

Well, they say you need to have feeling for folk to fight with them over little things...lol, maybe he and Haveron are becoming friends without either of them noticing!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2022 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Wed 27 May 2020
at 23:13
Re: Out of Character 9
Acolyte Flavius:
"Furthermore, it has been brought to our attention that the shop and its agents have been distributing instructions on how to summon demons. Those things need to be found and destroyed for the safety of all."

Did you... did you just admit to stealing the plot from the Friday the 13th tv show?



;)
Narrator
 GM, 7817 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 28 May 2020
at 19:18
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 436):

You yourself returned an uncataloged book on demonolgy from the dismal tower to the Hadereum- where do you think it came from?

Seriously  though, Bazaar of the bizarre   in Newhon, a similar shop in Thieves World, andpart ogmf the Fluff text in Monster Hunters:The Enemy.


Not everything in the shop is cursed, but there were cursed items ampng the other gewgaws.

This message was last edited by the GM at 19:18, Thu 28 May 2020.

Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 587 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Thu 28 May 2020
at 21:06
Re: Out of Character 9
You can HAVE the succubus stick by the way...  I imagine you're way more comfortable with it than Nodwin would be.
Clarence Montague
 player, 314 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Thu 28 May 2020
at 21:09
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Nodwin Zideqick (msg # 438):

Clarence has a mirror he want to sell as well...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2024 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 28 May 2020
at 21:28
Re: Out of Character 9
Nodwin Zideqick:
You can HAVE the succubus stick by the way...  I imagine you're way more comfortable with it than Nodwin would be.

Jareth has no use for it, he's got a dance partner already...
Clarence Montague
 player, 315 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Fri 29 May 2020
at 05:22
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 440):

Sell it at the docks...the sailors would probably make good use of it after a few months at sea...
Mellarill
 player, 188 posts
 Wood Elf Archer
 murderous and autistic
Fri 29 May 2020
at 17:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Oh Hell Yeah, that would fock them over... and they'd be a workin' fer the devil .. Brilliantly stoopid!
Narrator
 GM, 7824 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 29 May 2020
at 18:28
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mellarill (msg # 442):

Check with the Hadereum,  or gift it to a predator
Narrator
 GM, 7825 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 29 May 2020
at 18:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 443):

May be back on tomorrow.
Clarence Montague
 player, 316 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Fri 29 May 2020
at 20:56
Re: Out of Character 9
Mellarill:
Oh Hell Yeah, that would fock them over... and they'd be a workin' fer the devil .. Brilliantly stoopid!


Dumb ideas are my speciality! Getting the highest price for it is the best way to find dumb ideas! Predators are already doing the devils work...they don't need no re-inforcements!
Reanna Draegan
 player, 484 posts
 Burglar, scout
 Rank 2 Admin badge
Fri 29 May 2020
at 22:11
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Clarence Montague (msg # 445):

Masugatan, pretty sure you are no-where near Dilandua, and she was not even talking about pushups! They were fencing, though, so she could give you a good jab...
Jednesa
 player, 456 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Fri 29 May 2020
at 23:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Masugatan could offer to make Jednesa's pushups harder... if Jednesa ever did exercises.
Gareth
 player, 622 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sun 31 May 2020
at 02:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jednesa (msg # 447):

Needing a half crazed fire mage to bring down the wrath of gods onto the Pit creatures for the trolls? Why, oh why, did the trolls not recruit Gareth?
Narrator
 GM, 7828 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 31 May 2020
at 19:15
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Gareth (msg # 448):

Aside from you being the pit creature's bitch for four centuries, the trolls have issue with fire casters that you play.


My mother just went to the emergency room, will check in later.
Oly
 player, 1218 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sun 31 May 2020
at 20:06
Re: Out of Character 9
God be with you both!
Balir Ironhide
 player, 275 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Sun 31 May 2020
at 20:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Very sorry to hear that boss.  As you know I have been through this with my father.  Take care, we feel for you, and if there is anything we can do to support you through this please let us know.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1900 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 31 May 2020
at 20:58
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 450):

Ouch, Boss. That must come first...we can do nothing but pray for you guys.
Narrator
 GM, 7829 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 12:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 452):

She is home now, ome to see her, my siblings went to ER to get her, she had been in a very minor traffic accident, got one stitch.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2026 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 14:34
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
She is home now, ome to see her, my siblings went to ER to get her, she had been in a very minor traffic accident, got one stitch.

That is welcome news.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 276 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 17:35
Re: Out of Character 9
Glad to know it was minor.  My co-worker lost his wife last night.  Puts things in a broader context.  Take care of yourself, sir.
Oly
 player, 1219 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 18:25
Re: Out of Character 9
Your news is Good GM, My condolences to Balir's co-worker, that is tough I am sure.  Ask not for whom the Bell Tolls...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1731 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 19:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 453):
thankful to hear everything was minor. well wishing, to you and yours.
Narrator
 GM, 7831 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 19:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 457):

Damn Balir, that is terribly sad. My codolences to your workmate.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1902 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 20:00
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 458):

Ouch, Balir. That is tough. Condolences to them. Narrator, that is good news.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 277 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 20:46
Re: Out of Character 9
She has been very sick for a while.  Based on the little I know, it might be considered a mercy at this point.  But yes, it is very sad for him.  And he is a really good man, so doubly so.
Jednesa
 player, 459 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 23:38
Re: Out of Character 9
Hey Masugatan, want to clean your mispost over in Against the Mageguild?  I think some people are waiting to for that to be dealt with...
Narrator
 GM, 7832 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 21:46
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jednesa (msg # 461):

Spent the day disposing of my dining set, new one was due this evening,  but my city has a curfew, so the new one may be in tomorrow. Bleagh.
StY safe everyone.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1732 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 21:50
Re: Out of Character 9
i'm proud with how my state and city has handled not only covid, but also this anarchy. there is order and peace, and businesses are opening and dining in, is once again an option. I hope order is soon restored, and everyone remains safe.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1474 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 22:51
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
In reply to Jednesa (msg # 461):

Spent the day disposing of my dining set, new one was due this evening,  but my city has a curfew, so the new one may be in tomorrow. Bleagh.
StY safe everyone.


Ruh roh.  Got TV trays?  O.o

We've got curfews in the bigger towns here, too.  In fairness, there were demonstrations here, and both Greensboro and Winston Salem had minor looting.

My employer brought around letters verifying we work for an essential business; hopefully I won't have to show mine on my way to work (driving into the sunrise) in the morning.  I haven't seen anything that specifically says what time the curfew ends in the morning...

And those affected probably already know, but UPS has reduced or even canceled LTL service in certain parts of certain cities -- parcel delivery is said to be unaffected, aside from COVID-19 delays, but business bulk delivery and pickup are affected.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2027 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 23:19
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
i'm proud with how my state and city has handled not only covid, but also this anarchy. there is order and peace, and businesses are opening and dining in, is once again an option. I hope order is soon restored, and everyone remains safe.

The jury is still out on my state WuHu Flu-wise... I think the Governor did a splendid job, and I think most of the counties did a splendid job (some were little "no we don't need to close the beaches" shitstains though).  Granted the governor and mayors refused to send overflow patients to our residential care/assisted living centers* so we really dodged that bit of stupidity (granted only Miami got overwhelmed and they literally just shipped all their non-covid patients to other hospitals around the state and their overflow covid patients to specific hospitals) so we didn't have the problems of the more population dense cities/states.


* Old farts homes.


I'll admit I've been ignoring the protests that have been happening in my home state (Minneapolis has my full and undivided attention), but then so many blacks down here are legally well armed... so I suspect we won't have the same problems as the Democrat run cities/states.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1733 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 23:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 465):

yeah, indiana is a republican stronghold.
we had protests, but they were peaceful and orderly. though some fools in the next town, were lying down in the street, blocking traffic. there have been crowds lingering near certain
 local businesses, and those businesses and police are both vigilant and working together to make sure no mickeymouse horseshit starts here.

This message was last edited by the player at 23:33, Tue 02 June 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1734 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 23:31
Re: Out of Character 9
60 police with pellet guns and a bobcat came and dispersed a tent city, before all this happened. order is kept pretty well.
Oly
 player, 1220 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 00:08
Re: Out of Character 9
Tucson had some black Protesters trying to stop the white rioters! Rumor says the rioters are white supremacists trying to make the blacks look bad and Liberal Protesters trying to create havoc and start civil unrest ...  My first inclination is to shoot the looters, but that would just escalate the mess ...  paint ball guns and nets might be more useful.
Hats off to the police who have sympathized with the protesters and kept things civil ...  but they need to do something about the bad cops and bad cop unions. Most all the Local police chiefs have come out strongly against what they saw on TV in Minneapolis.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2028 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 00:16
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
Rumor says the rioters are white supremacists trying to make the blacks look bad and Liberal Protesters trying to create havoc and start civil unrest ...

Or, and I know this 'unconventional' thinking*... but it's just antifa being antifa.  You know, privileged white shitheads who like to destroy the neighborhoods of the lower class and beat up defenseless old people.




* I don't know why it's so unconventional.  We've had over ten years of watching them do this shit here and abroad.  I mean, just look at Portland.  But for some reason the lefty news media just loves them.  I wonder if CNN still loves them...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1735 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 00:35
Re: Out of Character 9
i fear that if the unrest continues, and a democratic president is elected in, inheriting this, they will call in the UN "peacekeepers" to come "restore order" meaning indefinite, nationwide martial law, and door-to-door search and seizures, round ups, and shooting it out with anyone resisting the new draconian suspension of civil rights. listen, those governors and mayors, refusing to keep order, are doing so, on order by their shadowlords. they've sold out. this is all a power struggle vs nationalist and globalist interests.

This message was last edited by the player at 00:36, Wed 03 June 2020.

Oly
 player, 1221 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 02:02
Re: Out of Character 9
I have some serious issues with those who think the Black helicopters are about to swoop in ...
That said, we do have some serious issues to address, not sweep under the table.
There are certainly some behind the scenes big wheels who try to affect everything... but they aren't as powerful as they think and the public at large can fix things if it works together ... obviously the powers that be don't want to see that.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2029 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 05:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
I have some serious issues with those who think the Black helicopters are about to swoop in ...

Yeah, I don't see that happening either.  A lot of people on the left who were sympathetic to antifa are having their windows smashed in right now, and that tends to really sour one's sympathies towards a movement that literally has "Liberals get the bullet too" as a slogan.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1736 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 06:58
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 472):

they'll learn the hard lesson that they might be down with the cause, but the cause ain't down with them...sometimes at great cost, and far too late.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1737 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 07:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 471):

we need to deal with a marxist media first, seize back control of the culture war, and win it, root out the marxist elements, and establish a new political machine that can actually effect organic democracy. this can either be achieved by a fascist party being elected in (not happening), or somebody going francisco fuckin' franco, seize power for 20-30 yrs, fix shit, then, re-establish a one party, nationalist republic. with the affidavit that upon fixing shit, that the fascist state yield power back to a republic, and that person be hailed a hero of the republic, going down in history as such.. :)

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 07:05, Wed 03 June 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1903 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 08:27
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 472):

Down under, we just gotta wonder what sort of Democracy it is there. Seems that those who don't like the president are stirring up as much trouble as they can, instead of just waiting until the next election. Are they just a violent minority worried Trump might get back in, or what the 'ell?

Maybe you need some Russian Peacekeepers! lol
Narrator
 GM, 7833 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 12:55
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 475):

Over here, and in a number of cities, the out of state rioters are more boogaloo boys than black bloc antifa agitators.

The astroturf militia groups, normally very uncoordinated,  are getting some higher level direction, which makes them more dangerous than they would be on their own.

Meanwhile  USPS has gotten its shit together,  and after spending two weeks shuttling a package back and forth between Nashville and Memphis, have finally got it into an adjacent state to me. Initial delivvery date: May 23 (mailed May 9) new date supposedly today, more like Friday.

On the other hand, UPS has been leaving things to be stolen out of my lobby.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2030 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 15:11
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
... either be achieved by a fascist party being elected in (not happening), or somebody going francisco fuckin' franco, seize power for 20-30 yrs, fix shit, then, re-establish a one party, nationalist republic.

Not gonna happen.  My prediction?  Buckle up for four more years of Trumpiekins, four more years of the left having existential meltdown after existential meltdown, four more years of lying ass lefty media, four more years of Republicans and Democrats being shit in office (with a few exceptions), and everything slowly sliding towards the worst.

Though I have very grave concerns about the EARN IT bill.



Christine Bjorn:
Down under, we just gotta wonder what sort of Democracy it is there.

A republic.  :P

quote:
Seems that those who don't like the president are stirring up as much trouble as they can, instead of just waiting until the next election.

This is our election year, so getting the word out about how upset they are mmight just be the game plan.

quote:
Are they just a violent minority worried Trump might get back in, or what the 'ell?

Antifa is a violent minority worried that anyone will be in power.  BLM is a minority group that froths up anytime a black person has a bad day with the police (regardless of the cop's skintones).  The former needs to be stamped out hard, fast, and with minimal mercy.  The later is generally peaceful, they just have no idea how bad they're being used.




Narrator:
Over here, and in a number of cities, the out of state rioters are more boogaloo boys than black bloc antifa agitators.

I keep hearing people (and especially the lefty media) saying that, but I've yet to see any pic or vid evidence.*  I know this ain't your socmed feed, but if you run into a story verifying this with oics, can you throw them in a Facebook post?  Please.


* I follow a lot of uber lefties, you know the type, the ones calling for "death to all cops" right now.  So I'm getting every pic or vid of every instance of police brutality (even ones being dredged up from 2011)... but not a one has shared a single pic or vid of the Boojahideen† even being out there.  And I know they would, they're terrified of the boogaloo boys.

† Proud Boys, any neo-nazi group, any 'normie' militia gourp, anyone wearing fatigues, ect.

quote:
The astroturf militia groups, normally very uncoordinated,  are getting some higher level direction, which makes them more dangerous than they would be on their own.

Antifa has been training and getting their shit together for years.  Some of us have been quietly waiting for the day they kicked off a multi-state rioting, burning, looting, assault/murder spree.

I'm just glad Florida has a very high rate of black gun ownership (I mean, we have a higer rate of white gun ownership, but there are a lot of non-white gun owners down here as well).  I like to think of it as "herd immunity" to this sort of fuckery.


quote:
Meanwhile  USPS has gotten its shit together...

USPS has always good down here for me.  It's UPS/DHL/FEDEX that have always been shit.  Leaving packages in the rain, throwing them 20 feet across the lawn at the door, no knock drops, etc.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1738 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 16:26
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 477):

lol i still think aunt-queefa's best and bravest are a bunch of basement dwelling diabetics. get ready mom and dad! better stock up on the bagel bites and hot pockets! it's a long time til, 2024! bwaahahahaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa!

This message was last edited by the player at 16:27, Wed 03 June 2020.

Oly
 player, 1222 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 17:42
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 474):

The Media is hardly Marxist, it is is left leaning in most cases, although FOX is falling over to the right ... add are even more stupid in their news bytes, as many thinking people can see right through the sham. The left leaning newsies are a bit more experienced and practiced, although it isn't too hard to see past their BS either.

None of your solutions will fix things ... what we need is for all the disgruntled independents to create a centrist party and leave the left and right in the gutters. I have heard that some Far Right folks have been found rioting (breaking windows and urging looters) but some far left have been found too ...pity they don't cancel each other out.

4 more years of Trump? If he can pervert the systems to do it, yup.  But I hope he can't ... he is building a strong resistance against him among the quiet center. We shall see ...  My concern is that if any outlying group tries to take control, we end up with our own version of the French Revolution. That would be catastrophic.  Lets hope the center exerts itself and stops this crap. It seems to be happening here in S. Arizona and further North some too.

As for armed citizens ... We are the Russian* National Rifle Associations #1 state for gun ownership.

*They provide a good bit of their funding ... Putin doesn't spend money with out purpose.
Narrator
 GM, 7835 posts
 DM says
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Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 18:04
Re: Out of Character 9
The black bloc organization of antifacists are against any form of lawful society, and are extremist. Being anti fascist is not an organization,  it is a point of view, not even an extremist viewpoint, and one I subscribe to, but that is neither here nor there.
I used to be a peace officer. Sworn inby the NYPD.

In this game you will find benevolent despots and ineffective  commu es, aLong with trade unions and empire both good and evil. Yes, I tend to make the well intentioned NPCs in keeping with some of my politics, but they all need help, partly because I recognize that thoae views don't protect you from better armed people with greater numbers, regardless of their affiliation.

This message was last edited by the GM at 18:27, Wed 03 June 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1739 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 18:23
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 480):
not without a fight, going quietly, into that gentle night!
somebody play garryowen, and get a case. 'merica.

This message was last edited by the player at 18:25, Wed 03 June 2020.

Oly
 player, 1223 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 18:26
Re: Out of Character 9
"Politics comes out of the barrel of a gun"  Mao Tse Tung

Regrettably this is a growing truth here.
Narrator
 GM, 7838 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 19:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 482):

Catching up tomorrow.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1475 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 22:41
Re: Out of Character 9
Might be getting time to get my 870 out of its case and load up the buckshot, and put the .45 slide on my Witness (because I've got the most ammo in that size).  Fortunately, I live far enough out that if the local "cities" go down the tubes, no one is likely to burn my house -- but my income will go south pretty quick anyway.

From what I've just read, a lot of you will probably think my politics are a little, um, odd.  I'm about as liberal as the boss, except I also firmly believe in the reality of the need, on occasion, to defend personal freedoms with gunfire.  I hate living in redneck country (where gays and trans folk are persecuted) but at least I can own and buy guns...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2032 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 02:13
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
what we need is for all the disgruntled independents to create a centrist party and leave the left and right in the gutters.

We have some 'centrist' like 3rd parties, but yeah, i'd love to see a strong centrist party form, unfortunately as long as people believe they have to vote Blue or Red to have a voice... this is the timeline we live in.

quote:
I have heard that some Far Right folks have been found rioting (breaking windows and urging looters)...

I keep hearing that as well, but I've yet to see any pic or vid evidence.

quote:
4 more years of Trump? If he can pervert the systems to do it, yup.

He doesn't even have to 'pervert' the system.  He just has to be less scary than Biden's VP pick.  Becuase you know whoever runs with Biden will be president if Biden wins.  They'll just declare Biden non mentis compos immediately after his hand leaves the bible (hyperbolic statement is hyperbolic, but you know what I eman.  Biden won't get to enjoy being pres for long if he even recognizes he is the pres)...

quote:
As for armed citizens ... We are the Russian* National Rifle Associations #1 state for gun ownership.

You should be relatively safe... or maybe safe adjecent.




Narrator:
The black bloc organization of antifacists are against any form of lawful society, and are extremist.

Exactly.

quote:
Being anti fascist is not an organization,  it is a point of view, not even an extremist viewpoint, and one I subscribe to, but that is neither here nor there.

Agreed... but that first part doesn't describe antifa.  Antifa is an organization and their definition for "fascist" and your's is radically different.  I bet you are damned close to text book, while theirs is literally "anyone not standing with me to smash the state".

By their literal definitions for 'fascist', Starbucks is fascism.  BLM is fascist.  Anyone not in an anarcho-collective trying to smash the state, or at least willing to completely stay out of the way*, is fascist.  And depending on the socpol ideology of a particular antifa org, some antifa orgs are also fascist... because they don't go far enough.


* And they'd probably come after them once the state is gone for "not doing their part".

quote:
I used to be a peace officer. Sworn inby the NYPD.

YOU FASCSIT!  :P




Ardenas Barehand:
From what I've just read, a lot of you will probably think my politics are a little, um, odd.

We're probably rather similar.  However, I don't own guns, just because I live in the city and haven't (until recently) ever felt I might need one.
Oly
 player, 1224 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 02:26
Re: Out of Character 9
And if you buy one, then you have to learn to use it, learn the laws about using it and practice, practice practice.

If The Narrator is a fascist, Lord only knows what I am with all my military time... of course, I don't care either.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1740 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 02:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 486):
hey, i get to be the benevolent despot!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2033 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 03:03
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
And if you buy one, then you have to learn to use it, learn the laws about using it and practice, practice practice.

You see my dilemma.  Which is why, for the last way too many years, I've just stuck with my tried and true, go to weapon of choice, the hatchet.

I know how to use it, I know the laws about carrying (it's for home defense), I know how to repair it, clean, sharpen it, etc.  There is no chance of accidental discharge.  They're cheap, and unless your intruder/assailant has a better weapon (a firearm), it's intimidating.  They pull a knife or a bat and you pull out a hatchet, they're going to think twice about their choices in life.  Only crazy people carry around hatchets.

The only drawback is it's really not good for the sort of situation we've been having in Minneapolis.
Oly
 player, 1225 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 03:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Not a bad choice, or one of those little wood baseball bats they make/made for kids... same concept.
It can be swung or thrust in the solar plexus... doesn't bloody things up as much but will still do a job on an assailant.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1741 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 03:23
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 488):

i favor small axes and stilettos for personal defense, but the trick is they can be difficult to maintain your defense with. it's easy to get carried away, and leaving defensive wounds on your attacker, is a risk that can see your defense, go out the window. your strokes must be true, and deadly, allowing one, or two tops, and not all over their damned arms and elsewhere. only in the target area.

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 03:23, Thu 04 June 2020.

Svendegard Yurick
 player, 140 posts
 Innkeeper's Son &
 Shevnian Adventurer 13/13
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 03:32
Re: Out of Character 9
none of that matters of course, when the shit hits the fan.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1904 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 06:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Svendegard Yurick (msg # 491):

Yeah, lets try to keep the excrement out of the ventilation...despite some bloody idiots that are doing there best otherwise. Seems a bit of pressure relief after COVID-19 isolation...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1742 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 06:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 492):

undoubtedly! striking whilst the iron is hot, and letting no good crisis go to waste.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2034 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 10:26
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Yeah, lets try to keep the excrement out of the ventilation...despite some bloody idiots that are doing there best otherwise. Seems a bit of pressure relief after COVID-19 isolation...

Down here in Florida we're already getting our second wave sice we 'reopened' (inofficially) two weeks ago.
Oly
 player, 1226 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 20:15
Re: Out of Character 9
Here in Arizona too. Numbers (weren't very high in this county) have doubled and the State is seeing 700-1,000 new cases a day at this point.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1477 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 22:10
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
Oly:
And if you buy one, then you have to learn to use it, learn the laws about using it and practice, practice practice.

You see my dilemma.  Which is why, for the last way too many years, I've just stuck with my tried and true, go to weapon of choice, the hatchet.

I know how to use it, I know the laws about carrying (it's for home defense), I know how to repair it, clean, sharpen it, etc.  There is no chance of accidental discharge.  They're cheap, and unless your intruder/assailant has a better weapon (a firearm), it's intimidating.  They pull a knife or a bat and you pull out a hatchet, they're going to think twice about their choices in life.  Only crazy people carry around hatchets.

The only drawback is it's really not good for the sort of situation we've been having in Minneapolis.


I grew up with guns -- learned to shoot a .22 at eight, shot my uncle's .357 Magnum (revolver) and .300 Winchester Magnum (rifle) at about twelve.  I've owned guns for as long as I could legally do so, mostly handguns, because as defensive weapons go, a handgun has some serious advantages over a rifle or shotgun -- not least that it's more likely to be in easy reach when you need it.

I also had a concealed carry permit in Washington state (Seattle) before I moved to North Carolina, and did in fact carry (a little .380 pistol) when/where legal for several years.

Practice is (slightly) overrated.  I learned how to form a sight picture by reading, as a child, and since then, I've been able to hit what I was aiming at as long as I could see it well enough (bad eyesight does not help).  In my twenties, I could empty a revolver from the hip in just over a second, and put all the bullets on a pie tin at twenty feet or so (probably can't do that any more, but my Witness holds more rounds and that kind of shooting is a stunt, anyway).

Now, tactical and defensive shooting do require some training and practice, which I have not had -- but the former isn't a necessary skill for home defense, and the latter is more a case of "do what you have to, when it's necessary, and not before."

Some people are afraid of guns; I'm distinctly uncomfortable with knives (as weapons) and other edged implements (as weapons).  My comfort zone is aiming and pulling a trigger.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2035 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 23:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
I grew up with guns...

Ditto.  And then we moved fromt he moutnains to Chicago, so the rifles were sold.  Then we moved to Florida and eventually the pistols were sold for money to bills.  And I've never had a need for a firearm as an adult.

quote:
Some people are afraid of guns...

I've handled all sorts of weapons all my life.  I trained in marital arts with a few (dueling polearms and staves mostly).  I have no fear of using weapons... except maybe three-part staves.  I know how often I beaned myself learning to use nunchuks and manriki-gusari, so... and at my age?  I'd bean myself a right good one.
Narrator
 GM, 7839 posts
 DM says
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Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 23:27
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 497):

Day two of furniture assembly.  I am now the proud builder of a bench and 4 chairs, no sign yet of table. Got a flock of commissions,  one left for Appendix N, and three for the Hungarian. I should be able to post tomorrow,  but will be home with fam over the weekend. Thank you for your patience.
As the heat of this wave of the pandemic subsides,  my bosses have decided it is QA time for lead.

This message was last edited by the GM at 18:08, Fri 05 June 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 7850 posts
 DM says
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Sun 7 Jun 2020
at 20:00
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 498):

Finally done building furniture.  I have a surfeit of allen keys in my possession.
Back on tomorrow.


Also, With Kalima will be joined by Benny Morales. Y'all need a healer... or you will.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1479 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 7 Jun 2020
at 20:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Hey, boss, some guy called, said his name was Allen.  He was looking for his keys...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2037 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Sun 7 Jun 2020
at 21:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Hey, boss, some guy called, said his name was Allen.  He was looking for his keys...

That's a relief.  I hate it when the grey's show up looking for alIen keys...
Narrator
 GM, 7851 posts
 DM says
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Mon 8 Jun 2020
at 16:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 501):

Four came with the dining room set, Two more with the sectional, and a seventh with a shoe rack. I think I got another with my ikea gaming shelves as well...
The amount of home organization tha th has gone on since my wife has been working from home is extreme.  Place looks a lot better though.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2038 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Mon 8 Jun 2020
at 21:15
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
Four came with the dining room set, Two more with the sectional, and a seventh with a shoe rack. I think I got another with my ikea gaming shelves as well...

I'd keep them all.  Especially if you have duplicates.  Ikea allen keys are notorious* for being mild† steel which strips out leaving you with useless allen keys if you have to make frequent tightenings (expect the dining table and chairs to require frequent tightening, the sectional may or may not depending on if the screws are in load/stress bearing positions or not).


* But nowhere near as notorious as the the even softer hex screws which strip if you so much as look at them funny.  Or look at them seriously.  I recomend looking at them casually.

† Okay, they are tool steel, but they are way softer than any RealTM tool steel hex keys I've ever used.  Use an Ikea allen key on a RealTM bolt and put any actual oomph into tightening it (or if it's stuck and your loosening it) and you'll immediately strip the Ikea allen key.  Stick to using Ikea keys on Ikea products only...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1480 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 8 Jun 2020
at 21:34
Re: Out of Character 9
They're probably almost all duplicates.  Most "some assembly required" furniture items is designed around the 4mm socket; this is done because that size is large enough to apply considerable torque (assuming the key and socket stand up to it), and is one of the few sizes that are present in both Metric and US Customary sized key sets -- it's the same as 5/32 (okay, technically, 4mm is a couple thousandths of an inch bigger -- hence why the sockets are made 4mm even in stuff built in USA).

That way, anyone with a set of Allen keys of either persuasion can tighten and loosen the bolts, even if all the original keys have been lost.  One of the few cases in consumer design where doing it the cheap way (only one key needed in most kits, and by buying millions the same they're almost free) is doing the consumer a favor.

The other reasonably common "crossover" sizes, BTW, are 5/64 (= 2mm), 5/16 (= 8mm), and 5/8 (=16mm) but one is too small for most furniture applications, the others bigger than needed for most home assembly.

Why do I know this?  I repair power tools, a mix of "made in USA", "made in China to US design" and "100% Chinese" -- and I get lots of use out of my 4mm hex driver (and a fair amount out of my 16mm combination wrench).
Benito Drake
 player, 75 posts
 Respectable shopkeeper
 Can I help you?
Mon 8 Jun 2020
at 21:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
* But nowhere near as notorious as the the even softer hex screws which strip if you so much as look at them funny.  Or look at them seriously.  I recomend looking at them casually.

† Okay, they are tool steel, but they are way softer than any RealTM tool steel hex keys I've ever used.  Use an Ikea allen key on a RealTM bolt and put any actual oomph into tightening it (or if it's stuck and your loosening it) and you'll immediately strip the Ikea allen key.  Stick to using Ikea keys on Ikea products only...


I recommend buying a packet of real hex keys and replacing them. 'Real Tool steel', yeah right, just like the 'real stainless steel' that rusts in 12 months in a dry environment. Their certificates are nothing more than computer printouts. My brother went to China a few years ago representing a mining company wanting hardened liner plates. When he asked them for material certificate, the offered to print out any certificates he wanted...even offering to changing material for the same physical item! They sourced it from Germany...

6mm / 1/4" share a similar similarity, as do 12mm / 1/2" (approx 0.25mm difference). I have interchanged both of the above...though with bolts sometimes the thread DOES differ slightly, which is annoying.
Oly
 player, 1228 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 8 Jun 2020
at 23:06
Re: Out of Character 9
Well a ½ inch is 12.7 mm, so the 13 mm wrench should work if you don't need to apply much oomph. otherwise you could strip a bolt/nut.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 279 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Tue 9 Jun 2020
at 00:35
Re: Out of Character 9
Buried for work today, sorry, and the weekend was all out of the house.  Catch up tomorrow.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1481 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 9 Jun 2020
at 09:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Benito Drake:
6mm / 1/4" share a similar similarity, as do 12mm / 1/2" (approx 0.25mm difference). I have interchanged both of the above...though with bolts sometimes the thread DOES differ slightly, which is annoying.


A quarter inch (6.35 mm) is more than 1/3 millimeter oversize for 6mm, and as you can see, 13mm is almost 1/3 millimeter oversize for 1/2 (12.7mm).  May not seem like much, but if you need a wrench (vs. fingers), it's too much; you'll round off the corners of a bolt head or Allen key as soon as you try to actually tighten (or loosen, if it's already tight).

The only bolt size and thread I recall that's close is M5, at 0.8mm; that's close to 20 tpi, though the diameter is just oversize for #10.  I've occasionally seen threads that were specified in metric diameter and pitch to interchange with SAE sizes -- it ain't pretty.  Hobby machinists, however, who often have US size lathes and need to cut metric threads, or vice versa, have learned ways to approximate "well enough" -- and it usually involves, among other trickery, cutting the thread with considerable clearance, so the pitch difference won't lock everything in the thickness of the nut.  Preferred method, in this case, is to obtain a suitable tap and die and cut a correct thread.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2039 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Tue 9 Jun 2020
at 14:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
A quarter inch (6.35 mm) is more than 1/3 millimeter oversize for 6mm, and as you can see, 13mm is almost 1/3 millimeter oversize for 1/2 (12.7mm).

There are days (mot many mind you) when I wish the US would adopt the metric system properly, instead of clinging to the Imperial, desperately wishing the rest of the world would return to the glory days of Centauri Republic...
Oly
 player, 1229 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Tue 9 Jun 2020
at 18:40
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 508):

Quite true, but in a pinch, sticking a flat tip screwdriver in the gap may let you get by ... but it's a worst case, no other way solution.
There used to be yet a third standard which used a different ... Whitworth! that was it ... My Dad had purchased a Jaguar sedan and normal ¾ inch wrenches wouldn't fit the supposed ¾ inch nuts. What a F***ing mess ... anybody need a couple of Whitworth wrenches I still have hanging around?
There used to be Imperial Gallons as well as regular gallons too!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1483 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 9 Jun 2020
at 22:50
Re: Out of Character 9
The United States is on the metric system.

"Bull!" I hear -- go look up the statute definitions of the inch, pound, and (fluid) ounce.  Every one is defined in terms of an SI unit -- an inch is legally 25.4 millimeters, a pound 453.5 and change grams, a (fluid) ounce almost 29.6 milliliters.

We just go to a bunch of extra work (and occasionally lose a multibillion dollar space probe) because Americans can't be bothered to learn an actual system of measurement.  The dollar became decimal at its birth, in large part because Jefferson and Hamilton (in a rare moment of agreement) wanted something simpler for people to deal with than pence, shillings, pounds, and all the weird coins that go along with them -- and Americans, when I was young (before the Brits decimalized the Pound Sterling) used to complain about how complex English money was -- yet they continue to insist on using a system that's just as Byzantine for everything else except money.  Inches, feet, yards, miles (and let's not forget rods, chains, and furlongs -- I mean really, does the length of a field make a sensible unit of measure?), ounces, pounds, stone, hundredweight, three different tons (short, standard, and long), and an ounce of gold doesn't weigh the same as an ounce of feathers or an ounce of butter (and let's not forget a firkin of butter isn't a firkin of ale, and neither one is a firkin of butter or ale).  And a fluid ounce doesn't weigh any of those ounces, at least not if it's water.

I learned to think in both systems in engineering courses in college, around 1980, including both slugs and poundals, as well as being able to convert to about four different metric systems (SI was new then, and lots of literature was in MKS or CGS -- and the number of ergs in a Joule isn't a multiple of a thousand because ergs are dyne-centimeters, and Newtons are kilogram meter per squared second.

Good grief, just use SI for everything and get over it!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2040 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Wed 10 Jun 2020
at 06:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Inches, feet, yards, miles (and let's not forget rods, chains, and furlongs...

Hold up, we don't use rods chains or furlongs anymore.  We do use fathoms, nautical miles, and knots still though.  I geuss those naval types are really long on traditions.

And fucking acres.  They fuck me right the fuck up and originally were a furlong in length and chain in width (they aren't anymore, now it's 4,840 yds2 or or 10 chains2).  We also don't really use hectares anymore despite them actually being a clean metric length (10,000 square meters).

quote:
...ounces, pounds, stone, hundredweight, three different tons (short, standard, and long), and an ounce of gold doesn't weigh the same as an ounce of feathers or an ounce of butter

That's only partially true, in that a troy* ounce doesn't weigh an ounce, but for all other measures, an ounce is 1/16th of pound.  Unless you're in a traditional kitchen, but you're more likely to find those in Britain than you are in America.  I know, I've worked kitchens all my life, it's a rare one that still plays silly buggers with the butter ounce nonsense.

But that's because even most kitchens have simply started using the avoirdupois system rather than try to teach people the difference between a butter ounce and regular ounce.

* There are still those who measure in grains, usually metallurgists, ammo reloaders, and archers, but atleast they're all using the same measurement (1 grain = 64.79891 milligrams).

quote:
(and let's not forget a firkin of butter isn't a firkin of ale, and neither one is a firkin of butter or ale).

Nobody outside of Britalndia uses firkins anymore.  Okay, wait, maybe some craft breweres, probably in the American Northeast, or some crazed hipsters, might use firkins.

quote:
And a fluid ounce doesn't weigh any of those ounces, at least not if it's water.

That's because it's a fluid ounce, which is a unit of volume, and if you're measuring that way, all fluid ounces measure the same.  Yes, even water.  However, outside of bartending do we in America even really use fuid ounces anymore?  I know I've personally mentally switch over to liters.

quote:
Good grief, just use SI for everything and get over it!

Normally I'd agree, but I don't want to have to learn to use meters.
Oly
 player, 1231 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Wed 10 Jun 2020
at 21:23
Re: Out of Character 9
I use fluid ounces, pints, quarts and gallons normally.
I do cook and that is what all my recipes are in.

Few indeed use metric recipes around here.

The normal objection to using centimeters, liters and kilometers is that you get such large numbers in common measurements.
Inches, feet and Gallons are more convenient quantities (not to translate, just in functional distance/volume) ... no body selling house talks in square yards except for flooring.

I have been to Europe for 5years straight ... worked with the metric systems daily. Filled my car up with 76 liters, drove at 140 KPH and measured stuff in meters etc.  But the US measures are still more useful... Napoleon didn't create a foot measure, mores the pity. If we have to use metric measure, I vote for having car speedometers in Nautical MPH ... a new nautical mile being 2 Km long. Yeah, sort of defeats the purpose ...

Somewhere I had the speed of light in Furlongs per Fortnight, but seem to have lost it... oh well.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1485 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 10 Jun 2020
at 22:51
Re: Out of Character 9
Actually, a hectare (hundred ares) isn't a nice SI unit at all.  SI units keep their powers of 10 in multiples of three -- kilo, mega, milli, micro, nano, etc. -- and anyway, it would have to be based on a square meter rather than a 10 m square (who came up with the are, anyway, and what were they thinking?).

So, for SI, area is either square meters, or square kilometers.  Grams are fine, but the naming is screwed up (due to a couple centuries of tradition before scientists and engineers decided metric was almost as screwed up as English traditional and US Customary).  The gram is the one that should have weighed 2.205 lb, and we should be measuring aspirin in micrograms and LSD in nanograms.  But the kilogram was called that even when it first became the standard, based on an exemplar stored in Paris since the 18th century, so we're stuck with it.

Oh, and the US is partially metric for electricity and energy -- we use coulombs, amps, volts, and watts in electronic measurement and design -- but then instead of Joules (one Watt-second), we use kilowatt-hours to sell electricity, and jump over to horsepower and foot-pounds for mechanical power and energy (I guess a 500 horsepower, 429 cubic inch V-8 is more romantic than a 7.1 liter, 670 kW engine under the hood).  Just to confuse things, we also use foot-pounds (or inch-pounds, or inch-ounces) for torque, though SI is just as bad, using Newton-meters for both energy (work) and torque.

And don't even start on units like viscosity -- a centipoise is conveniently sized, but it's also a BUNCH easier to say or write than the SI unit, which I've actually forgotten (we didn't do much with viscosity before I dropped out of college).

Suffice to say, if you want engineering and science not to be nightmares to study and work in, you need to pick one unit system and stick with it, and SI is the easiest one to work in.  Now if only we'd defined the meter so gravity was exactly 10.0 m/s^2 at Earth's surface...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2041 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 11 Jun 2020
at 04:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
I use fluid ounces, pints, quarts and gallons normally.
I do cook and that is what all my recipes are in.

I haven't seen fluid ounces in a restaurant kitchen (in a recipe) in almost 25 years.

I did still see cups, pints, quarts, gallons.  As well as teaspoons, tablespoons, dashes, pinches, smidgens, etc.  You know, proper measurements.  ;)
Oly
 player, 1232 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Thu 11 Jun 2020
at 18:52
Re: Out of Character 9
Yes, and Glugs and glurps too ;-) ... and two glugs of rum ...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1486 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Thu 11 Jun 2020
at 21:52
Re: Out of Character 9
I learned years ago to cook without measuring.  I heard it called kira kira, an Indonesian term for "pinch and throw," but for some things, you must measure.  If you want your rice fully cooked, neither crunchy nor soupy, you need the right proportion of rice to water (neither one needs be very precisely measure, but you need exactly twice the volume of water to rice, at least the way I learned to do it).

Likewise, you need the right measure of coffee for your water, even if neither one is in ounces.

That said, the last recipe I used that came in ounces got promptly converted to milliliters and grams, because it was for film developer (and it was old -- Kodak used to call out everything in ounces, fluid and avoirdupois with little notice which was which).

Cooking by pinch and throw is all well and good, until you need to write down a recipe for someone.  You can either write it like an 18th century recipe -- "a goodly amount of rum, into which break an egg or two, according how large are the eggs" -- or have someone stand beside you as you cook and intercept everything that goes into the bowl or pot and measure it.
Narrator
 GM, 7857 posts
 DM says
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Thu 11 Jun 2020
at 22:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 517):

For this reason spells learned require three rolls. Cast, teach, interpret with thaumatology.

Been doing OT all week, will be for rest of the month, may be scarcer than usual.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2042 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Fri 12 Jun 2020
at 04:10
Re: Out of Character 9
Stumbled across this orchestral version of System of a Down's Chop Suey (a favorite song of mine).  No lyrics, so it lets the music speak for itself and has a very Summer Court vs Winter Court vibe going on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17U9ZqvoTLs
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2044 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Sat 13 Jun 2020
at 15:23
Re: Out of Character 9
I think I found a young Mario's theme song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRIfsFefatg
Chye Isuel
 player, 1746 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Sat 13 Jun 2020
at 16:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 515):

a dram, is better than a damn!
Clarence Montague
 player, 318 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Sat 13 Jun 2020
at 22:38
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
I think I found a young Mario's theme song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRIfsFefatg


Lol, sounds like it.
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1048 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Sun 14 Jun 2020
at 11:20
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
I think I found a young Mario's theme song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRIfsFefatg


Thank you.  I'll just borrow that link...

"All you bully-rooks with your buskin boots, better run, better run, better outrun my bow."

Though I'll have you know I never knew my father and I made my own first bow, from an old violin bow I found in a garbage heap.  Took me all dry trying to shoot some random stick before I figured out what the fletching was for.
Narrator
 GM, 7885 posts
 DM says
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Sat 20 Jun 2020
at 15:04
Re: Out of Character 9
Be away over tge weekend. Happy fathers day and ha#ppy summer solsrice!
Narrator
 GM, 7886 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 22 Jun 2020
at 17:12
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 524):

DrDestructo has bowed out. Burke and Shroud are up for grabs for those looking to hop into the Al Menir thread, and frankly it would be excellent if Shroud was PC run
Oly
 player, 1237 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 22 Jun 2020
at 20:53
Re: Out of Character 9
I would, but already have a character there and also have a gracious plenty of characters to run now.
Ryojin
 player, 57 posts
 Martial artist
Mon 22 Jun 2020
at 22:09
Re: Out of Character 9
Can I have shroud back?
Narrator
 GM, 7893 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 00:10
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ryojin (msg # 527):

Yes!
Narrator
 GM, 7894 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 19:00
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 528):

Also gave you Fisher Poryer Black
Narrator
 GM, 7897 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 19:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 529):

Catching up tomorrow
Narrator
 GM, 7911 posts
 DM says
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Sun 28 Jun 2020
at 18:37
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 530):

Might be a bit catching up, don't have the head for this, and am working on commissions for the Hungarian.  I want to deliver a good game.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2055 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Tue 30 Jun 2020
at 22:55
Re: Out of Character 9
This is my new headcanon...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb...t=jpg&name=large
Chye Isuel
 player, 1759 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 30 Jun 2020
at 22:58
Re: Out of Character 9
who could it be now?..
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2057 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Wed 1 Jul 2020
at 00:28
Re: Out of Character 9
Delving with a dude most Barbaric,
A Knight, Thief, and a Cleric.
We met a dark lady, she made us nervous,
She charmed the Thief and gave me curses.
And she said:
"You have come to our land down under!
Where females rule and males blunder!
Can't you see, can't you see our wonder?
You better run or be torn asunder!"

Fighting alongside the Knight in platemail,
Laying about wildly with a big honkin flail.
I said, "Can you help with this spider?"
He just cried and fell stabbed by a drider.
And he sobbed:
"We came to a land down below,
Where spiders abound and poison does flow,
Why didn't we read the Fiend Folio?
You better just get, better just go!"

Hidin' in a room, labeled 6A,
Low on HP, it's now time to pray.
I said to my god, "What're you tryin' to tell me,
Because my options ain't very pretty?"
And he said, "Oh,
Y'all came to a land down under? (Ooh yeah yeah)
Where females rule and males blunder!
Don't you know, don't you know their Founder? (Ooh yeah yeah)
The whole dungeon is one big meat-grinder!"

This message was last edited by the player at 00:50, Wed 01 July 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1760 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 1 Jul 2020
at 00:36
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 534):
bravo!
Narrator
 GM, 7921 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 1 Jul 2020
at 17:06
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 534):

That is terrific!

Meanwhile in wotc/Hasbro land,  drow and orcs are alignment free,much like here, although the shadow elves look like Elric,  not Jerry Cornelius  in blackface, and OA , one of my primary reference docs for the ridiculously inappropriate adventures in little Sahud. I understand their points though.


If sny among you are offended by my grossly generalized depictions of any of these fictional story elements. Let me know.
Ryojin
 player, 60 posts
 Martial artist
Wed 1 Jul 2020
at 18:07
Re: Out of Character 9
I'll wait for Haveron to post his dodge before doing my thing.
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 1015 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Wed 1 Jul 2020
at 22:22
Re: Out of Character 9
The fact that we draw on stereotypes to speed and ease characterization is not racist.  Any more than it would be so to find a gorilla enamored with bananas, or a huge rooster talking with a Georgia/Alabama accent.

If there were an implication that all Sahudese wear coolee hats and queues, walk on elevated clogs, and are indistinguishable one from the other, that would be racist, but what I've seen in this game is no more racist than implying that New Yorkers are prone to take the subway.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1762 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 1 Jul 2020
at 22:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 538):

and shaw brother-esque dialogue. but, that's well established americana at this point.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2058 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 2 Jul 2020
at 00:10
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
That is terrific!

I enjoy quickly penning the occasional parody song.

quote:
Meanwhile in wotc/Hasbro land...

I predicate this will pass.  Alignments are a core pillar, a sacred cow, of D&D.  Alignments being stripped from "iconic" races won't last past this edition (though I suspect it'll be the other "progressive" nonsense they interject that will scupper this edition).

quote:
and OA , one of my primary reference docs for the ridiculously inappropriate adventures in little Sahud.

Aha!  Now I understand Sahud a bit better.  The great mish-mashing of the predominant asian cultures while not drawing too heavily from any one culture was something I always liked about OA.




Chou-Zhen Mou:
The fact that we draw on stereotypes to speed and ease characterization is not racist.

Exactly
Narrator
 GM, 7924 posts
 DM says
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Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 00:27
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 540):

Will try and catch up tomorrow,  this OT is killing me. I hsve a week to catch up with 200 plus items. I fluoro  scanned or xrayed fifty odd aprons and other lead garments tonight. Thank the nine million that the software for tracking is nowhere as laggy as it used to be.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2059 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 03:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
this OT is killing me.

I finally have no OT.  Instead I'm training for a new LoB this week (with a pay raise) that I've been trying to get into for a few months, then the next 2 weeks* training to transition to a different department (also a pay raise) that requires actual state licensing...


* And of course I'm supposed to be doing my pretraining for those classes in advance during my 'normal' job, which I'm not doing because I'm in training...  *le sigh*  So I'll be going in for like 6 hours this weekend off the clock just to be able to study in peace and quiet† in the empty department on Sunday (my new LoB is closed on Sundays) so I can catch up by start of new training on monday.

† I'm too tired and there is no peace and quiet at home after work.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1505 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 11:46
Re: Out of Character 9
Congratulations on the (promotion?) pay raise.  Anything like that at my job would mean jumping into management, and I WILL NOT do that.  I've turned down offers for it two or three times (depending what level of subtle you count) and now my boss has been sneaking the responsibilities onto me for the past couple years ("other duties as assigned" in every job description, anywhere, ever, means I can't just say "that's not my job").

It's the Peter Principle -- attempting to promote me to my level of incompetence, instead of just letting me do what I'm good at, fixing stuff.

And I can't afford to quit.

My partner keeps telling me I should do stock photography, but as far as I can tell, that's got the same problem as writing -- you have to do it to the exclusion of everything else for several years before it'll support you, and while I'm working full time with an hour-each-way commute, I can't do it enough to even recover my skills to the level they were 15 years ago, never mind build up a portfolio.

I see Gwythaint doing commission art work, and still going in and irradiating people and, periodically, protective gear, full time (plus OT).

I'm just (re)concluding that this world is all kinds of messed up, when you can't make a living as a creative unless your definition of "a living" is very different from the one usually used for a paycheck job or you're at a far narrower confluence of skill and luck than an NFL or NBA star.  We discourage youths to examine creative careers, and even the ones who buck that never get training in how to actually make a living as a creative (as opposed to "how to be a wage slave in a creative field").

And don't point to Ansel Adams as a counter-example.  Ansel (degreed as a concert pianist) did most of his important work on vacations while making his living as a commercial photographer, shooting things like furniture for magazine advertising (a job I'd have to buy $20,000 worth of equipment and have a killer portfolio to even get, today).  Henri Cartier-Bresson was a remittance man, more or less -- the Cartier in his name is the jewelry one -- and he never had to care about whether his photography earned a sou, never mind try to actually live on it.  One of the Westons (I forget which one) did most of his known work living in a literal shack in the desert, using the most primitive equipment you can imagine to make his prints -- his 8x10 camera and lenses were probably worth more than everything else he owned, for most of his working life.

Of photographers I can recall who've made their primary living as photographers, it's always been "work for hire", with the art we remember being side projects.  Annie Leibowitz (renowned portraitist to celebrities) has fallen to selling online courses, after retiring from magazine photography.

And I don't have it in me (nor can I afford the equipment) to become a YouTube star.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2060 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 12:25
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Congratulations on the (promotion?) pay raise.

No promotions (which would be required for further pay bumps) it's lateral transfers... the first is from one LoB (Line of Business) within my department to another within my department, the second is into a different department...

I strongly suspect the first is occurring because I was approved for the second.  My boss has resisted for months allowing me to switch LoBs because "I can't lose one of my highly skilled agents form the bank lines"... but now that he's looking at losing me to a different department*, he caved (and did so without bothering to tell me in advance, it was late on a friday "Oh yeah, and next monday you're in training for the new LoB, your schedule should be adjusted before you head out tonight.  If not, just come in at 10 on monday and I'll get it fixed ASAP").  The suspicion runs two-fold:  Having me suddenly training all week before I start training for the other department means I have no time for pretraining for the other department (which I keep being told is really, really, really helpful† for state licensing test) and it means if I'm frustrated by the new department (I've heard rumors about managerial fuckery) instead of quitting, I'll transfer back to the higher paying new LoB.  And the new department has lull periods where agents temp "transfer" around and fill other positions, but still get their higher pay...  so if he has to pay me 'top tier' pay, may as well have me in the highest paying Lob he has.



* I work in a call center, doing credit card enrollment for a handful of banks.  The other department is health insurance, which has more way sway in the "we want these agents in our department, give them to us" to the extent that my boss cannot stop this transfer, while he actually runs both LoB I'm in and the one I want into.

†  Like, no duh.  Three weeks of study versus two?  No braino.


quote:
Anything like that at my job would mean jumping into management...

Ditto.  After the second transfer, if I want more pay I have to fly right‡ and get promoted.


‡ The only bene of my job is extreme flexibility in hours.  However to get into management you have to show a willingness to work a stable schedule and be available for odd shifts here and there.  I can't handle the weird shifts, my sleep schedule (insomnia) is bad enough without suddenly working till midnight one day a week.

quote:
And I don't have it in me (nor can I afford the equipment) to become a YouTube star.

Twenty years ago?  I could have done it.  These days?  I'm not in touch enough, not mentally flexible enough, and I don't have the capacity to work two full time jobs and get no sleep.
Narrator
 GM, 7928 posts
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Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 20:24
Re: Out of Character 9
Annnnd hurt myself at work with a defective bed from Stryker.  Will probably catch up Monday
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1919 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 21:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 545):

Damn! Nothing serious I hope?
Narrator
 GM, 7929 posts
 DM says
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 17:29
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 546):

Possible back sprain. Pain faded by the time I went to sleep, whering a lidocaine patch now, trying to remember what I did with my heating pad.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2066 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Sun 5 Jul 2020
at 23:13
Re: Out of Character 9
I think I found the weapon my next HOgre barbarian has to wield.  Two of 'em, one strapped to each arm!

THE WREKTANGLE!  By michaelcthulhu.

Full making video:
watch

To skip straight to the Post=Apoc smashing stuff goodness....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...=youtu.be&t=4975
Chye Isuel
 player, 1764 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 00:06
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 548):

definitely two-handed axe-mace skill.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2068 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 01:46
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
definitely two-handed axe-mace skill.

And shield!
Narrator
 GM, 7936 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 21:28
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 549):

It does swing +4 cut, but has -2 to hit, like the long blade chainsaw from horror. 14 minimum ST, and can be used to parry, but is not a shield.
Oly
 player, 1240 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 22:46
Re: Out of Character 9
And a significant reduction to Dx and a big unbalanced weapon issue as well...
Narrator
 GM, 7937 posts
 DM says
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Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 23:35
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 552):

Definitely unbalanced, cannot be made balanced, absolutely becomes unready. Can be used to do Thrust crush +2 tho.

Going to try and catch up tomorrow.  Virtual md visits and such.
Hell walker
 NPC, 10 posts
 Gigantic bird thing
 From the netherworld
Tue 7 Jul 2020
at 03:13
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 553):

https://www.google.com/search?...;biw=412&bih=758
Stenet Fjall
 player, 403 posts
 Dwarf Holy Warrior
 HP: 13/13 FP: 15/17
Tue 7 Jul 2020
at 03:22
Re: Out of Character 9
Hell walker:
https://www.google.com/search?...;biw=412&bih=758

I swear by my ancestors, if you split into multiple hellbirbs when they cut off your head I will cut out the tongue of each and every one of you!
Balir Ironhide
 player, 289 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Tue 7 Jul 2020
at 23:23
Re: Out of Character 9
Anniversary over the weekend, which turned into family time and no computer time.  Then work went a bit crazy yesterday.  It was a nice weekend, but sorry for the unexpected absence.
Narrator
 GM, 7946 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 8 Jul 2020
at 15:13
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 556):

no problem, I have barely been clearing the list over 3 days
Narrator
 GM, 7953 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 10 Jul 2020
at 00:33
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 557):

Goint to try and catch up tomorrow
Narrator
 GM, 7954 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 10 Jul 2020
at 19:10
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 558):

Got stuck working in an area with no signal...may not catch up until Monday,  although I will try.
Narrator
 GM, 7963 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 13 Jul 2020
at 19:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 559):

Back when the Al Menir adventure began, and before the extended solo activity of Gareth, we had a number of specialist characters whose players left out of boredom/disgust; Gorgath, and Sorsha/Mischa. Between Gorgath 's strength and forced entry skill, and the magical/mundanr safecracking skills of the other two, there looked to be no door that could withstand the party. Unfortunately the composition of the group has changed. There are going to be some bits that  are a bit of a slog as a result, and the thread is a few years old already.
I have been reading over the sheets of some of you, and am again startled by the amount of Johnny Onespells that have slipped through screening.I am really going to have to force incomi g wizards to stick to template skills and even propose a base list of utility spells that allow for a fully functional generalist niche, like so many wizards I see played in campaigns like DF Whiterock or Dungeon Fantastic.

On the other hand, one character has a built in mode for recieving assistance that may do.
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 397 posts
Mon 13 Jul 2020
at 20:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Happy to say Haveron is quite well balanced overall, especially when henchpeople are concerned.

Waiting on Gareth to Johnny OneSpell his way through the door.  Seeing as how he's holding a red dwarf, I expect him to shoo Haveron out of the way...
Gareth
 player, 636 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Mon 13 Jul 2020
at 20:42
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 561):

Actually, it was in recognition of his onespell problem that  sought to learn more versatile spells back in Al-Amir, but dice rolls did not permit...and i was assured that t would not be a problem...

Spells such as create food, summon spirit and continual light all give some versatility, but it was the failure to learn the spells for opening locks that caused this gap. See message #280 in this thread...
Narrator
 GM, 7969 posts
 DM says
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Mon 13 Jul 2020
at 20:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Gareth (msg # 562):

His singular predilections worked while we had the other players, without a generslist or utility mage it gets sketchy
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2076 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Mon 13 Jul 2020
at 21:17
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
His singular predilections worked while we had the other players, without a generslist or utility mage it gets sketchy

Bah, no one needs a utility mage, you just need someone who can do the job...

;)
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1510 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 13 Jul 2020
at 22:03
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm not even much of a mage, but I could get past that door a couple different ways...
Shroud
 player, 67 posts
Mon 13 Jul 2020
at 22:08
Re: Out of Character 9
Since I am back with using shroud and put him back to the way he is, that door should not be much of a problem for him. Remember, Shroud was first and foremost a Thief/assassin build. He has the skills to get into anywhere non magical and all that. Lockpicking, Forced entry, Traps, etc. He was made to be the groups thief/ backup damage dealer. But when I had to step away he was given to someone else and turned into a scout, luckily he did not do much so it was easy to switch him back. I will have Shroud check out the door. Just tell me what skills I need to roll.
Gareth
 player, 637 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Tue 14 Jul 2020
at 07:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Shroud (msg # 566):

I am working to make him more of a generalist...
Narrator
 GM, 7970 posts
 DM says
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Tue 14 Jul 2020
at 14:57
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Shroud (msg # 566):

Helpful, but the door has no visible lock...the artificer was also good with those.
Narrator
 GM, 7975 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 14 Jul 2020
at 16:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 568):

I think we lost Berry. I may need an assist from someone not in AlMenir, but I fear you all are.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2077 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Tue 14 Jul 2020
at 22:28
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
I think we lost Berry. I may need an assist from someone not in AlMenir, but I fear you all are.

Berry is a utility thief/mage?
Ales Konstantin
 player, 852 posts
 Spellsword
Tue 14 Jul 2020
at 22:29
Re: Out of Character 9
Actually, I'm not boss ..
Narrator
 GM, 7976 posts
 DM says
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Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 16:01
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 571):

I am going to rmail her to be sure
Narrator
 GM, 7978 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 16:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 572):

She has no rmail, going to transfer
Narrator
 GM, 7980 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 17:21
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 573):

Nm she is back!
Shroud
 player, 70 posts
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 17:43
Re: Out of Character 9
Yay! but does she have chalk?!
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 1020 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 22:33
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm sure Gareth can produce some charcoal, at need...
Gareth
 player, 639 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 11:09
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 576):

Sure! Some trees anywhere around here?
Narrator
 GM, 7992 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 18 Jul 2020
at 00:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Gareth (msg # 577):

Catching up after weekend
Narrator
 GM, 7994 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 20 Jul 2020
at 17:40
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 578):

So nobody wantd to go to the evil city of the aboleths people of the pit? Or at least explore beyond the holding of the people of the eastern reaches ,(the trollfolk)?
Grimaldi
 player, 683 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Mon 20 Jul 2020
at 17:50
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 579):
Grimaldi is there to sell his ale and pork, at the premium rate he was offered. After that, he's not looking to get involved with these aberrations.

This message was last edited by the player at 17:51, Mon 20 July 2020.

Jendrich
 player, 50 posts
Mon 20 Jul 2020
at 18:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Jendrich is a bodyguard first, at least at the moment. If Rush wants to look into something, he'll follow. As for the city... he doesn't feel it's his place to push the others to explore it, but he plans on suggesting that the guild send another group to deal with it, and will accompany said group if allowed.

Of course, if Rush may want to send some of his guards there to help his business relations with the troll...
Ulo
 player, 230 posts
 Badly scarred Trollwife
 HP 5/9 FP 10/14 PF 10/10
Mon 20 Jul 2020
at 18:22
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
So nobody wantd to go to the evil city of the aboleths people of the pit? Or at least explore beyond the holding of the people of the eastern reaches ,(the trollfolk)?

I thought the mission was to guard the caravan to the hobgoblin areas beyond the Troll Warrens, with side mission of trading with the Trolls while passing through those areas?

As per Oren in msg #19, Welcome To The Adventurers Guild, link to a message in this game

Oren:
"The merchant Rushagorn Brokadin, who has a contract with the trollfolk of the eastern depths is going on a delivery run. He has a few orcs with him, and a former deepguard halberdier, but no spellcasters. The trollfolk aren't the issue, he wants to explore west of them, and establish a route at that depth with other undercity encampments.  He thonks there is a connection to the Ropemaker's guild, as they built their tower deep, and there may be others."

Narrator
 GM, 7997 posts
 DM says
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Mon 20 Jul 2020
at 20:24
Re: Out of Character 9
My mind is slipping. I was just detailing some of that route.
Ulo would be the best guide to the western hold, as she made that run...

Iq-3 for details...
Ulo
 player, 231 posts
 Badly scarred Trollwife
 HP 5/9 FP 10/14 PF 10/10
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 00:17
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
My mind is slipping. I was just detailing some of that route.

Happens to everyone.  Especially in these times of stress.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1928 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 07:17
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 583):

Or Christine, when she gets back...
Ulo
 player, 232 posts
 Badly scarred Trollwife
 HP 5/9 FP 10/14 PF 10/10
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 13:38
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Or Christine, when she gets back...

Some one should avoid going down into the sewers for a while...  ;)
Narrator
 GM, 8002 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 17:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 585):

I think you may have to switch evil twin for enemy when you return.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1929 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 20:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 587):

Indeed. Why don't they like me??? :D
Oly
 player, 1243 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 22:09
Re: Out of Character 9
They would like you very much, I think...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1516 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 22:18
Re: Out of Character 9
With a nice gravy, and sweet potatoes on the side.
Ulo
 player, 233 posts
 Badly scarred Trollwife
 HP 5/9 FP 10/14 PF 10/10
Wed 22 Jul 2020
at 02:53
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
With a nice gravy, and sweet potatoes on the side.

I do have a killer recipe for longpig and mushroom gravy...
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1930 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Wed 22 Jul 2020
at 06:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ulo (msg # 591):

A killer recipe or a recipe for a killer?
Ulo
 player, 234 posts
 Badly scarred Trollwife
 HP 5/9 FP 10/14 PF 10/10
Wed 22 Jul 2020
at 12:56
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
A killer recipe or a recipe for a killer?

Yes.  Tell ya what, come on down and we'll have a feast.
Narrator
 GM, 8014 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 26 Jul 2020
at 18:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ulo (msg # 593):

Something from my early 90's Horror game slipped into Northport, based on my readings of Maury Terry's book about a 1970's conspiracy that linked a number of notorious figures...
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1931 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 26 Jul 2020
at 21:58
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 594):

lol, not in my thread, I hope! Or was that me...
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1067 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Mon 27 Jul 2020
at 21:56
Re: Out of Character 9
Well, I hope I don't need dozens of silver arrows to kill it...
Anita Drake
 player, 189 posts
 Hey sweetie
 Lets see your money pouch
Tue 28 Jul 2020
at 07:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 596):

...or even more than 2!
Troll Champion
 NPC, 14 posts
 huge troll
Fri 31 Jul 2020
at 14:50
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Anita Drake (msg # 597):

Make a default physiology roll Reanna and Aegis... something isn't right

This message was last edited by the player at 14:52, Fri 31 July 2020.

Reanna Draegan
 player, 511 posts
 Burglar, scout
 Rank 2 Admin badge
Fri 31 Jul 2020
at 19:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Troll Champion (msg # 598):

Done...

[Private to GM: Rolled 4 under IQ, not sure it is enough...]
Aegis
 player, 349 posts
 Veteran Mercenary
 Master-at-Arms
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 16:21
Re: Out of Character 9
Aegis is the hired help because he cares nought about these things.  Something is wrong, but he doesn't know what it is.

[Private to GM: 10:20, Today: Secret Roll: Aegis rolled 13 using 3d6.  Physiology default, going to be quite low.]
Dilandua
 player, 77 posts
 Shadow Elf
 FP 12/12 HP 10/10
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 17:50
Re: Out of Character 9
[EDIT]
Note, this is the Out of Character thread... so ... I posted my roll in the MAgeguild thread...
[/EDIT]

This message was last edited by the player at 17:52, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

Narrator
 GM, 8039 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 19:30
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Dilandua (msg # 601):

That is fine. Gonna be some basic troll info that a whole bunch of characters already know.
Narrator
 GM, 8042 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 19:55
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 602):

Create animal requires familiarity with the animal in question or a piece (tooth, bone, scale, tuft of hair) to create.
Getting conned  at the market leads to creation of other animals... (cat hair instead of hair from lion, dog instead of wolf, camel for dire bear)
To evaluate if your character could possibly have familiarity outside of skills on the character sheet,
Roll familarity:
Domestic animals are 15 or less
Relatively common ones like wolf,  bear, normal snake are 12
Uncommon, including anything dire, stirges or out of zone (whale, croc, tropical or arctic animal) is a 9
Weird shit like a wyvern or slorn is a 6 or less.

No more pulling tigers or cave bears out of a hat, especially for low point characters.

This message was last edited by the GM at 20:20, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

Balir Ironhide
 player, 296 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 20:13
Re: Out of Character 9
55000 posts.  Not too shabby.
Aine Walsh
 player, 129 posts
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 20:50
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 604):

Have rolled through for her characters. For Saisha, would bear or wolf be more familiar, since he is rural?
Narrator
 GM, 8047 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 21:19
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 605):

He lives in a village with ducks and oxen, and stirges. You already used bear, and wolf is uncommon because the stirges keep them back... further afield there are dire rabbits and dire wolves, but the blessed dire dragonfly keeps a lot away from the village.
Narrator
 GM, 8050 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 4 Aug 2020
at 18:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 606):

Henceforth all allies, creations, and summonable creatures will be managed by me, and the stats will be as on-book as I can manage. No more custum creations. You want to invent creatures, do so as a GM.
Saishi Jin
 player, 34 posts
 Harvest priest
Tue 4 Aug 2020
at 20:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 607):

Sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. I was only trying to do some of the legwork for you, since crocodile stats are hard to find in GURPs 4e. At least for me.
Evelina Grattan
 player, 97 posts
 Queen of Frog God Cult
 And don't you forget it!
Tue 4 Aug 2020
at 22:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
In reply to Narrator (msg # 606):

Henceforth all allies, creations, and summonable creatures will be managed by me, and the stats will be as on-book as I can manage. No more custum creations. You want to invent creatures, do so as a GM.


On-character-sheet allies as well?
Narrator
 GM, 8056 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 5 Aug 2020
at 23:37
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Evelina Grattan (msg # 609):

For new ones I would like to participate  in the build of.  I want things as close to baseline as possible, and I want power levels to correspond  in a non minmax kind of way.
I may not catch up until Friday, I was getting a bundle out and trying to edit something.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 298 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 6 Aug 2020
at 14:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Wait.  Are you saying we have rules lawyers and/or min/maxers here?  I would *never* have believed that.

Being that I have to fight the tendency myself...sarcasm intended.
Nana Yurick
 player, 136 posts
 Shevnian Adventuress &
 Yurick's daughter 11/11
Thu 6 Aug 2020
at 15:58
Re: Out of Character 9
I guess the yurick family is "grandfathered in". get it??! family...grandfathered in...! n'yuck n'yuck n'yuck.
Narrator
 GM, 8060 posts
 DM says
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Thu 6 Aug 2020
at 18:46
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Nana Yurick (msg # 612):

I want to work with the suggested templates, partly because I expect there to be certain baseline skills, and when someone strips away expected skills to johnny one spell themselves, it kind of deadends situations that might require use of a social or otherwise everyman ability or skill.
My 75 point characters, for example were not expected to have more than a level or two of magery or PI, partly because I wanted a set power level at that point range. I am still hazy on how both a racial template and a higher level of PI can be got from the template. I know GURPS is designed to be freeform,  but I have certain setting and power level based expectations.
Aine Walsh
 player, 132 posts
Thu 6 Aug 2020
at 20:10
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 613):

Judicious use of advantages...

But she is really limited in the number of spells, and still has to use energy for most spells. An extra level of Magery will make her much more versatile, ironically. Most of my characters use magic to achieve a wide variety of tasks.
Aldous Hack
 player, 188 posts
 Housekeeper's orphan,
 Street runner, rogue
Thu 6 Aug 2020
at 22:10
Re: Out of Character 9
The 75 pointers don't get much in the way of spells anyway -- as I recall from building a mage as a backup, I was only able to take 8 spells, and base skill rather sucks.  It would be possible to get more spells, off template, but as noted, that can wind up with a character who can't do things everyone is expected to know (like find his way around town).  Come to think of it, that latter one goes by the board even with most on-template characters by the time they're build down to less than half of standard point level.

Defaults work, but at 75 points, you don't have enough stats to make defaults even reasonably safe to roll (too much chance of a critical failure -- 16-17-18 really sucks).
Sparky
 player, 76 posts
 Skinny & hungry looking
Thu 6 Aug 2020
at 23:00
Re: Out of Character 9
Oh I don't know... Sparky was made with 15-16 spells, is reasonably able to function and while far from useless, is no monster mage.
He probably reflects the averaage Journeyman spell caster straight out of a chantery and learning the trade.
Narrator
 GM, 8061 posts
 DM says
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Fri 7 Aug 2020
at 17:03
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Sparky (msg # 616):

I think sparky took spells instead of advantages.   I am thinking of using Least Magic for 75pt characters: M/A spells that don't require magery, but can get by with zhedge mage. At 5pts oer level.
Sparky
 player, 77 posts
 Skinny & hungry looking
Fri 7 Aug 2020
at 18:31
Re: Out of Character 9
He took a few advantages, but didn't go nuts with them...

Tell me more about your Hedge Mages, I have my own concept since GURPS hasn't really templated them. Aethul is sort of a Hedge Mage.
Clarence Montague
 player, 337 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Sat 8 Aug 2020
at 01:30
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Sparky (msg # 618):

Clarence is a pretty incompetant mage...spell skills just 11! But that is ok...he only has to hold a light!

What is the hedge mage concept?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2094 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Sat 8 Aug 2020
at 03:11
Re: Out of Character 9
Least Spells are not good for Dungeon Delvers and aren't well integrated into the core GURPS Magic system (or rather they are an newer iteration of design that the older holdover from GURPS 2e Magic system that is GURPS 4e Magic doesn't integrate well with).

Hedge Magic is a Talent (similar to Magery but no capacity to sense magic) that gives a +1 per level to IQ/A Spells.

All 'Least' spells are IQ/A and it shows.  They are worthless for an 'adventuring' setting unless you rework the whole Magic system to make the Least spells into the 'starting' spells, thus reworking all the prereq chains and possibly taking a long look at the spells that are 'duplicated' and making a call as to which version to keep...  for instance:

Ember is basically Ignite Fire reworked as a Missile spell, in my opinion, Ember is actually better (even if it were IQ/H rather than IQ/A), while others are objectively worse...  there is no reason to take Twinkle which is Light bu at -2 to light penalties and the 'light' moves slower (Move 1).



Now, having poo-pooed all over it... it has its place.  In a Fanstasy Heartbreaker, where you can have characters that won't be relying on their magic for anything other than flavor, or the occasional very small boost.  But in a setting where there are actual mages?*  Not so much.


* Yeah, I get the whole "75 point characters can't easily afford Magery and will suck at their spells", but, they'll still suck at these spells and these spells are arguably no better than having a toolkit or a tiny boost.  I can see a few uses† for these spells on a 75 pointer, but they'll still be sinking like 55 points IQ+Hedge Magic just be 'marginally half-assed' in a couple of half-assed spells.

† I can see some actually useful for 125 and 250 pointer spells as well, the aforementioned Ember, Aid (allows First Aid without a Healer's Kit), Emergency Staff (temporary Staff spell), Reorient (Blocking Spell used in place of Body Sense), Sweet Oblivion (for removing those pesky memories), etc.  But these are "ease of life" spells, not hardcore "delving" spells.  And there are no "combat" spells in GURPS Magic: The Least of Spells, this book really was meant for non-DF style games.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2095 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Sat 8 Aug 2020
at 03:17
Re: Out of Character 9
Clarence Montague:
Clarence is a pretty incompetant mage...spell skills just 11! But that is ok...he only has to hold a light!

Sure, but with that 11 you can take Extra Time to boost the final skill up enough to making success a possibility, I mean how often are you going to be casting Light in combat?  And if you have full Magery (rather than a Charm/Alternate Path Perk) you can always pick up other spells later... like in a decade or so.

quote:
What is the hedge mage concept?

Not actual 'mage', just a person who has a few spells, usually "ease of life" spells who also might have a few useful skills like Weather Sense, or some other "useful in a village" type setting skills.

I have no idea what a Hedge Mage would look like for DF.  I wouldn't even make such a template, but I'm alos not a fan of less than 125 point characters (I could see a 125 point "Hedge Mage" but they wouldn't be 'PC' material).
Oly
 player, 1246 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sat 8 Aug 2020
at 03:24
Re: Out of Character 9
My thoughts were something like this:

Hedge Mages are distinguished from wizards by having an innate gift with magic, as well as having mystical or magical ancestry. Their talents are inherited. Their ability is limited in contrast (Magery 0 spells only), as they cannot perform all the spells Wizards can, but normally have a breadth of low power spells which can accomplish or improve many day to day skills, crafts or abilities.  They cast spells using cantrips, a fairly long chant or sing-song poem that generates the effect. Almost all Hedge Mages have a high IQ, as it is their only trait that supports their abilities with magic.

Wizards talents are not inherited, but seem to occur randomly among humans. The ability can be exceedingly common among other races such as Elves.
With study, wizards can do some amazing things requiring great power, but frequently know nothing of the simple magics Hedge Mages use daily.  Both benefit from education, although the techniques are not interchangeable at all. All Hedge Mages’ cantrips use 1 or 2 FP, but often take significant time to cast. Each Cantrip must be learned and some are harder than others to learn.

Each 10 seconds of casting time adds a -1 modifier to the success roll, which is rolled against IQ; and each new cantrip requires at least 200 hours to master, with a skilled teacher. Trying to learn from a grimoire of cantrips (or any written form) is at -3 in addition to any other modifiers. Cantrips are either known, or not known… additional study is assumed to maintain your skill, but adds nothing to the roll required.
Clarence Montague
 player, 338 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Sat 8 Aug 2020
at 04:09
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 622):

That sounds very similar to the old DnD distinction between sorcerers Innate ability) and wizards (learned techniques). Something like that?

So you can take extra time casting spells? Good to know.
Oly
 player, 1247 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sat 8 Aug 2020
at 16:56
Re: Out of Character 9
The concept came from DnD, but I am trying to GURPS-ize it.
I want to have the Hedge Mage as something different from a mage who only has magery 0 or 1.
Different abilities and methods that share no relation to each other ... no ability to learn or use each others spells.
Grimaldi
 player, 694 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sat 8 Aug 2020
at 17:42
Re: Out of Character 9
would it be possible to gurps-ize the D&D spell, chromatic sphere?
Clarence Montague
 player, 339 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Sun 9 Aug 2020
at 00:09
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 624):

Sounds to me like you are actually creating magical advantages rather than spells, per se.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1520 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 9 Aug 2020
at 11:39
Re: Out of Character 9
I like the hedge wizard concept.  I've built a few no-magery hedge wizards using standard Magic rules, for a high mana world, but they always wind up seeming like a crippled wizard.  Have you got a list of cantrips?

Obviously, the cantrips would be of very limited combat use with that kind of casting time -- if you need one quick, you're rolling on unmodified IQ (then again, if you have IQ 13 or 14, that's not a terrible roll).  This could be further controlled via the list itself.

The cantrips themselves seem like they'd be effectively Perks with a certain Talent as a prerequisite (know it or don't) vs. skills.  It would be tempting to see if GURPS already has a similar magic system, if only to limit the amount of GM labor involved in making up the cantrip list.

Potential cantrips for a hedge witch:

Sweep (effect like a broom, moves dirt and small loose items on a floor)
Wash (effect like a soapy sponge with an integral rinse)

Mend (effect like sewing with a needle, but the seam or darn vanishes)
Launder (soapy scrub with integral rinse, leaves fabric clean and wet)
Wring (forces water out of wet fabric, leaving it merely damp)
Dry (dries Wrung fabric in seconds, or wetter stuff in minutes)

Cultivate (turns soil and roots out small weeds, excluding specified plants)
Harvest (picks only ripe fruit, leaving green or spoiled)
Mow (cuts grass, hay, or grain into neat windrows)
Bind (binds grain into shocks for handling)
Bale (binds hay, straw, cotton, etc. into convenient handling size)
Thresh (separates grain from chaff, corn from cobs and husks, etc.)

That's just five minutes or so of idea generation -- I could easily see a long enough list that an experienced Hedge Mage could spend fifty points and still be something of a specialist (farming, housekeeping, various kinds of artisans).  Heck, I see the potential here for an entire GURPS sourcebook (after someone goes through the misery of "balancing" all those point costs with the power building rules scattered through half a dozen or more different books).
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2097 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Sun 9 Aug 2020
at 12:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
The cantrips themselves seem like they'd be effectively Perks with a certain Talent as a prerequisite (know it or don't) vs. skills.  It would be tempting to see if GURPS already has a similar magic system, if only to limit the amount of GM labor involved in making up the cantrip list.

They already have Perks that do simple things like this...  in Power-Ups 2 Perks, but the idea came from the Supers line.

But if you look at the Magic system the 'right' way, the way it works in DF, all spells are already Perks...  after all, how many Wizards, Clerics, etc have spent more than one point per spell?  The expense is in IQ+Magery, and then the shear number of spells a cast takes, not in the individual spell skills themselves.
Narrator
 GM, 8066 posts
 DM says
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Sun 9 Aug 2020
at 13:55
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 627):

The Least Spells has some of these, and the hedge mage 5pt advantage works for background of another class... you could do magic, saved up for wizard school and failed the admission exam, and became another class instead. I would use it as a 50 pt lens to add to 62 pt characters, or to be bought down from another 250 pt lens, or have someone take 125 pts in their primary, add the lens and ten take 75 points more in their base class, or something to that effect, but far less effective than taking the Wizard lens. It is primarily a flavor thing, and not optimized for power at all.

I will try and catch up monday, but it looks like I am only getting to 6 or seven threads a day instead of all 11. I might be a little overloaded.
Grimaldi
 player, 695 posts
 Aralaise adventurer
 swordsman and wizard
Sun 9 Aug 2020
at 14:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 629):
sounds like Gargamel's apprentice!
Oly
 player, 1248 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sun 9 Aug 2020
at 18:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 627):

Most of the Cantrips I have were all rifled from D&D ... but here are some done for GURPS Sorcery-
I would not allow several of these, but over all, useful 1 point perks/spells/ abilities.

Sorcery: Cantrips
Sorcery allows the caster to improvise spells, but the ability is limited by the level of the Sorcerous Empowerment advantage, unless the caster is using hardcore improvisation. If the caster only has a single level of this advantage, he will be able to improvise only really weak 1-point spells. GURPS Thaumatology - Sorcery and GURPS Sorcery - Protection & Warning Spells give us only a couple of such spells, so let's make some more. Most of these spells are based on perks from GURPS Power-Ups 2 - Perks with some adjustments. Accessory works wonders!

Alarm
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: Instantaneous.

Alerts the caster at a specified time in the future, awakening him if necessary. It will also remind him of one thing (in effect, delivering a message), provided he specified that thing at the time the Alarm spell was cast. Can be set to “go off” up to a week from time of casting.

Cancel Pregnancy
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will ; resisted by patients will, if not willing.
Range: Touch or Self.
Duration: Instantaneous.

You can cause the absorption of an early fetus back into the womb.


Detect Plant Sapience
Keywords: Information.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: IQ
Range: Touch.
Duration: Instantaneous.

With a touch and an IQ roll, you can determine if a plant is sapient. This includes any tree that is currently the subject of Arboreal Immurement.


Fan
Keywords: Jet, Obvious.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: IQ
Range: 2 yards.
Duration: Instantaneous.

You can project a stream of air strong enough to scatter dust and extinguish candles at two yards. It has no combat effect.


Find Direction
Keywords: Information.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: Instantaneous.

Tells the caster which direction is North. Alternately, it can tell which way his home is. Note that no one can have more than one true home, and a wanderer may have none!.


Luminous Body
Keywords: Obvious.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: 1 hour.

Your body emits light for 1 hour. This is usually equivalent to a torch (lights a 2-yard radius).


Parthenogenesis
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will ; resisted by patients will, if not willing.
Range: Touch or Self.
Duration: Instantaneous.

You can trigger a pregnancy by casting this spell. The fetus is effectively your clone.


Rinse
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Touch or Self.
Duration: 30 Seconds

You can moisten the exterior of your body, becoming damp enough to negate ongoing damage due to Cyclic (pp. B103-104) contact effects. You can extinguish flame if you’re on fire, flush away acid or poison, and so on. Each use costs 1 FP that you can only recover if you have access to water; see Dehydration (p. B426).


Silk Strand
Keywords: Obvious.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: IQ
Range: Self.
Duration: Instantaneous.

You can produce a 5-yard [meter] long strand of woven silk with a tensile strength of 350 Pounds [160 Kg]. You can cast this spell continuously without letting go of the strand, each time adding 5 yards [meters] to its length. This gives you improved climbing ability (p. B349) and can also be used with Swinging (GURPS Power-Ups 2 – Perks, p. 16). You cannot entangle foes with the strand. The strand disappears when you let go of it.


Tell Position
Keywords: Information.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: Instantaneous.

Tells the caster the subject’s exact distance, azimuth, and altitude relative to the caster. The caster must be able to see the subject. Error is around 5%; where relevant, the GM will secretly roll 2d-7 for the percentage, keeping negative numbers.


Tell Time
Keywords: Information.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: Instantaneous.

Tells the caster what time it is – as well as the day and year, should that be in doubt.


Touch
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: IQ.
Range: 10 yards.
Duration: Instantaneous.

The subject feels a light touch at a spot of the caster’s choice. The touch is easily felt, even through armor, but has no effect other than to attract the subject’s attention; it cannot cause pain or discomfort, but it is very likely to distract him.

Body-Reading
Keywords:Resisted (IQ).
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: IQ .
Range: Touch
Duration: Instantaneous.

Allows the caster to scan the subject’s body for internal damage – ruptured organs, internal bleedings, bone fractures, and even the sex of an unborn child. The GM will secretly roll against the caster’s IQ  and that of the subject, which the caster must be able to touch.  If the caster beats the subjects resistance or if the subject is willing, the caster learns what he asked for. If the caster is familiar with the illnesses in question, this will let them know about effects and treatment. Otherwise, the GM will use the margin of success to determine how much information to give the caster. The spell does not reveal the exact nature of any poisons or diseases that may be affecting the subject if unknown to the caster, but it gives a +2 to any subsequent Poisons or Diagnosis roll. Note that this spell is more difficult to cast on subjects of different species. It takes a -2 penalty if the subject is of a different species than the caster (an Elven wizard reading a human subject, for instance), -4 or worse if totally alien!

Stop Bleeding
Keywords: Resisted (HT).
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: IQ
Range: Touch
Duration: Instantaneous.

The subject, who must be touched while casting, stops bleeding, as if his wounds were bandaged (B424). This also heals 1 HP. An unsuspecting or unwilling subject resists with HT. A willing target can (and usually will) waive his resistance. It takes a -2 penalty if the subject is of a different humanoid species than the caster and won’t work on Alien beings.

There is a similar version of Body-Reading and Stop Bleeding for Animals, but this must be learned by Biological Taxa (Horses, Canines, Cats, Scorpions etc.)

Sorcery: Utility Cantrips
Accessory-based cantrips can be not only technology-related, but also tool-related. The following spells would fit nicely in the college of Making and Breaking, and maybe Food.

Hammerhands
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: 30 minutes

The caster can hammer nails in or straighten them out with his palm.

Knifehand
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: 30 minutes

The caster can use his hand to slice bread, cakes, sausages, etc. This spell only works with relatively slow movements, so this spell cannot be used as an attack.


Scissorhand
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration:  30 minutes.

The caster can use two of his fingers to cut paper, cords, ropes, or other things, as if he was using scissors. His fingers are protected from paper cuts while he is doing it.


Sorcerous Screwdriver
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll:Will
Range: Self.
Duration: 30 minutes

The caster push his finger against a screw and screw it in, as if he was using a screwdriver.


Uncork
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Touch.
Duration: Instantaneous.

The caster touches a bottle an instantly uncorks it.

Grind Meat
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: IQ
Range: Touch
Duration: 30 minutes

When the caster makes a ring with his fingers and pushes meat, vegetables, or other food through it, the food is ground, as if the caster was using a meat grinder.

Sawhand
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Self.
Duration: 30 minutes

The caster can use his hand to saw wood or metal. This spell only works with relatively slow movements, so this spell cannot be used as an attack. The hand is protected from splinters.


Slice Egg
Keywords: None.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Touch.
Duration: Instantaneous.

The caster touches an egg and instantly slices it horizontally, vertically, or both, as if he was using an egg slicer.

  
Tell Weight
Keywords: Information.
Full Cost: 1 point.
Casting Roll: Will
Range: Touch.
Duration: Instantaneous.

Tells the caster weight of the touched subject.
Narrator
 GM, 8068 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 10 Aug 2020
at 17:57
Re: Out of Character 9
Not bad. I am, however not doing other than Vanilla magic except for extreme outliers.
Ryojin
 player, 63 posts
 Martial artist
Mon 10 Aug 2020
at 19:50
Re: Out of Character 9
Gareth:
In reply to Shroud (msg # 892):

He is quite skinny, and weighs only 70 lbs. He has pretty low ST...



I got to ask, how tall is he and what is his ST score and does he have the skinny disadvantage???

Cause at 70 lbs, you would need an ST score of 9 with the skinny disadvantage to hit that weight, and that is the minimum for that ST score.

Skinny at:
ST 10 is 80-120 lbs
ST 9  is 70-110 lbs
ST 8  is 60-100 lbs
ST 7  is 50-90  lbs


Gareth
 player, 653 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Mon 10 Aug 2020
at 20:33
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ryojin (msg # 633):

He is 5'1", ST 8 and Skinny...so he is not even at his minimum in height nor weight. He would be minimum size for ST 9...
Narrator
 GM, 8071 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 11 Aug 2020
at 14:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Gareth (msg # 634):

Gorgath m8ght be back
Oly
 player, 1249 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Tue 11 Aug 2020
at 18:40
Re: Out of Character 9
That might be nice ...
Gareth
 player, 654 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Tue 11 Aug 2020
at 20:46
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 636):

Very cool!
Gorgath
 player, 445 posts
 HP 20/20 FP 11/13
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 02:19
Re: Out of Character 9
I just might be...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1768 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 04:11
Re: Out of Character 9
He got away from that shepherdess ogress, nonetheless!
Gareth
 player, 657 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 05:23
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 639):

Or did he gain a loving Ally? :)
Haveron Stormwal
 player, 404 posts
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 14:36
Re: Out of Character 9
13-14 dependents and an enemy...?
Shepherdess
 NPC, 3 posts
 An ogress with her
 Flock
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 18:38
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 641):

An Ally? <3
Chou-Zhen Mou
 player, 1025 posts
 Not quite right but
 a mage none the less
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 22:13
Re: Out of Character 9
/me Tries to calculate the FP cost to levitate something the size of the Beast of Veroigne.

/me Gives up when it gets to three digits.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2101 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 22:26
Re: Out of Character 9
Chou-Zhen Mou:
/me Tries to calculate the FP cost to levitate something the size of the Beast of Veroigne.

/me Gives up when it gets to three digits.

How big is it?
Aethul
 player, 217 posts
 Shevnian Ranger
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 22:44
Re: Out of Character 9
"The massive thing lifts its whale sized body off the ground on its stumpy legs...

The firey breath extends 10 yards from its toothy maw."


Sounds pretty big, although no specific type of whale was defined ... the difference between a Beluga (~18 feet & 3,500 pounds)  and Blue whale (up to just over 100 feet and 200,000 -224,000 pounds)  is considerable.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1769 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 23:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Shepherdess (msg # 642):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez_hQdWN4Rg
Balir Ironhide
 player, 302 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 23:44
Re: Out of Character 9
With that reference...doesn't that put you close to the triple digits yourself?
Narrator
 GM, 8083 posts
 DM says
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Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 01:46
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aethul (msg # 645):

It is about 30 feet long and can s2allow a sheep whole.
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1087 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 02:27
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 648):

I am thinking of SM in terms of energy cost...30 yards is SM+7, so energy x8 for a regular spell! Flesh to stone, cost 10x8, is well out...

This message was last edited by the player at 05:03, Fri 14 Aug 2020.

Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2102 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 7/10 PF 0/8
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 05:51
Re: Out of Character 9
Kirpich Rockson:
I am thinking of SM in terms of energy cost...30 yards is SM+7, so energy x8 for a regular spell! Flesh to stone, cost 10x8, is well out...

It's only SM+4.

30 feet, not 30 yards.
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1089 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 05:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 650):

Oh yeah. Hard to tell the difference with these ancient units. Lucky he didn't use cubits...

SM +4 is still 10x5 = 50 points to cast...still too many! Ritual would not work either...would it? Chances of waking a sleeping lizard?
Narrator
 GM, 8084 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 18:42
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 651):

As per spell, 1hp of damage will wake stunned


I may not catch up for a bit, travelling a little this weekend

This message was last edited by the GM at 18:42, Fri 14 Aug 2020.

Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1090 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 22:48
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 652):

So until we actually do damage, it will sleep. That does allow for ritual magic, then, right?
Narrator
 GM, 8088 posts
 DM says
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Sun 16 Aug 2020
at 18:45
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 653):

That would follow... but some in your group are impulsive
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1094 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Sun 16 Aug 2020
at 20:11
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 654):

Threatening to remove their fire protection if they attack without waiting for a group consensus may cause them to rethink, one would hope...
Narrator
 GM, 8089 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 17 Aug 2020
at 15:08
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 655):

A will roll at +1 is still a will roll...
Nodwin Zideqick
 player, 607 posts
 Initiate of Vejovis
 FP:7/13 HP:10/10
Mon 17 Aug 2020
at 17:33
Re: Out of Character 9
I assume Nodwin needs to make a HT roll before he can act again?
Narrator
 GM, 8094 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 17 Aug 2020
at 19:13
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Nodwin Zideqick (msg # 657):

Yes, as long as you are in range.
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1096 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Tue 18 Aug 2020
at 01:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 655):

True, but bonii help... unless they crit fail!
Narrator
 GM, 8102 posts
 DM says
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Wed 19 Aug 2020
at 20:48
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 659):

Look, a lot of the limited energy I have for this has been spent hashing out how many animals soneone can create or shaoechange into. I am on the edge of not allowing either of those going forward,just as I want characters to be built from templates prepared (75 pt characters, low point artificers)and all magical entities to come from the standard DF templates from Allies and Summoners because this is getting to be a headache, or at least contributing to the migraine I have now.

Can we kindly refrain from exhaustive pursuits of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin please? It is taking away from the spoons I need to engage with 12 threads, and I have lost track of how many players have left. I think we lost Rosewood over trying to explain that you can't throw caltrops from the roof while reloading a crossbow, althoug I think their home situation has more to do with it.
Aine Walsh
 player, 142 posts
Wed 19 Aug 2020
at 21:02
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 660):

My apologies for the headache...that would have been me that started that. Sorry for raising the question when it is not urgent.

Anita also was not trying to do multiple things at once, but just listing multiple actions. I will try to limit posts to containing one action in future to avoid that.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 309 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Wed 19 Aug 2020
at 22:07
Re: Out of Character 9
I'll put in a modest plug for not burning out the GM.  Fastest way to do that is to engage them in the banal rules layering.  Some level of discussion is appropriate, but let's not take him for granted.  I have seen game after game killed by this very discussion, when the GM just gives up.
Narrator
 GM, 8103 posts
 DM says
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Thu 20 Aug 2020
at 20:26
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 662):

Traveling tomorrow, working the weekend. May catch up Monday
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1528 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Thu 20 Aug 2020
at 22:30
Re: Out of Character 9
Enjoy your travel, if you can, and try to live through the work...
Narrator
 GM, 8111 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 25 Aug 2020
at 20:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 664):

back on tomorrow
Narrator
 GM, 8119 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 28 Aug 2020
at 19:55
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 665):

Going to be about with the Mrs, probably back Monday.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1531 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 29 Aug 2020
at 23:51
Re: Out of Character 9
Have a nice weekend.  I'm playing with a new variety of film.  :)
Narrator
 GM, 8121 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 31 Aug 2020
at 17:58
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 667):

That's cool. Been a long time since I worked in that medium. Just got a few more responsibilities at work, and a little c bump to go with it, and I just got mandated to stay a shift.
Narrator
 GM, 8132 posts
 DM says
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Thu 3 Sep 2020
at 00:32
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 668):

Be catching up tomorrow.
Narrator
 GM, 8133 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 3 Sep 2020
at 21:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 669):

Be on tomorrow hopefully, had training with new te h at work
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1536 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Thu 3 Sep 2020
at 22:34
Re: Out of Character 9
At least your training makes sense.  I was just informed today that I am "expected" to complete 30 credits of online training by end of the year -- that's about 2 hours a week, give or take, and the boss has strongly encouraged folks to start doing it that way (some each week) immediately.

Only problem is, there are only about 10 credits of courses available that have any vague connection to my job; everything else is about selling, government contracts, management skills -- in other words, stuff I not only don't do, but won't do.

Not to mention about a third of the seemingly relevant training is stuff like "how to use a bolt gauge."  Honestly, if you need to be trained how to use a simple device like a bolt gauge once you've seen one, you probably can't do my job.  "How to use a micrometer" makes a lot more sense -- never mind it's been almost fifty years since I learned that.

I sent my boss an email about this late in the day today, after looking through the (literal) hundreds of courses on the system. We'll see what comes back.  Honestly, at this point, I'm starting to wonder if I'd be ahead getting a job at Starbuck's.  At least I'd get good coffee...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2111 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Fri 4 Sep 2020
at 05:23
Re: Out of Character 9
Last time I was in that situation I just hunted for things I wanted to learn, vocational relevance be damned.

Though I guess you've probably already doen that and found bupkis.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1537 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 4 Sep 2020
at 11:07
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
Last time I was in that situation I just hunted for things I wanted to learn, vocational relevance be damned.

Though I guess you've probably already doen that and found bupkis.


That was how I concluded that no more than a third of the credits I need are in any way relevant -- and the other two thirds are stuff I will only go through under duress.

I've been pretty sick of this job employer for a while now, but the same thing applies -- if I don't have another one lined up, I can't afford to quit (though there's never been a better time, in one way -- no rent, car's paid off, but I still have car insurance, cell phone, internet, and electric that I have to cover every month).
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2112 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Fri 4 Sep 2020
at 11:49
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
I've been pretty sick of this job employer for a while now, but the same thing applies -- if I don't have another one lined up, I can't afford to quit (though there's never been a better time, in one way -- no rent, car's paid off, but I still have car insurance, cell phone, internet, and electric that I have to cover every month).

If your job market is hiring, it might be the right time.  Save up a few months worth and start shopping that resume around.
Narrator
 GM, 8134 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 4 Sep 2020
at 18:57
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 674):

The new toy was one I had similar traini g with before, a portable intraoperative CT machine, only before the union was fighting against us using it. I just got bumped from Radiographic Technologist to Radiographic Speacial Procedures Technologist as part of a group push to reclassify techs running imaging in the OR as folks who can use this thing, which is primarily used when sticking stimulator wires inside of somebody's head.
I ain't no brain surgeon, but I can now run some of their equipment,  all while being irradiated at a higher rate than I used to.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1951 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Fri 4 Sep 2020
at 19:59
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 675):

Yeah, training makes us immune to radiation...It is a time honoured tradition in defence too.
Oly
 player, 1251 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Fri 4 Sep 2020
at 21:34
Re: Out of Character 9
Oh! I thought it was the uniform that made us immune.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1952 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 02:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 677):

No, no. Our policy is quite clear...it is that 30 minute PowerPoint presentation!
Oly
 player, 1252 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 03:49
Re: Out of Character 9
Only 30 minutes? why so short?
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1953 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 05:17
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Oly (msg # 679):

That is all that is needed for us to be able to handle 5 times the radiation we would subject an untrained person to, of course!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1539 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 15:50
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
Ardenas Barehand:
I've been pretty sick of this job employer for a while now, but the same thing applies -- if I don't have another one lined up, I can't afford to quit (though there's never been a better time, in one way -- no rent, car's paid off, but I still have car insurance, cell phone, internet, and electric that I have to cover every month).

If your job market is hiring, it might be the right time.  Save up a few months worth and start shopping that resume around.


Well, see, there's the problem.  My job market pretty much doesn't exist, halfway locally, for the job I do, except where I work.  And saving up a few months of living expenses is something I haven't ever managed, in forty years in the workforce.  The best I've ever gotten is one month of bills, not even counting rent or groceries.

And the rules for resumes keep changing; the one I had when I got this job, thirteen years ago, would brand me as hopelessly out of date and obviously a mistake to hire (never mind that the only time you need resume-building skills is when you're job hunting, but the skillset you're trying to get hired for, and use every day, is the one they won't even look at if your resume looks like last decade).

And because of the job market situation, I wouldn't even look for another job in the same field.  That market has only two kinds of employers anyway -- big corporations like the one I've worked for for thirteen years (and hated for most of that time) and mom-and-pop shops that need one person in my position, and only hire when the one they have retires or dies.
Narrator
 GM, 8137 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 17:25
Re: Out of Character 9
That circumstance really sucks. My situation only came about because another department invested in equipment no one was willing to use.  I was otherwise pretty much deadended without reeducating again.
Given that I am Status 0 paying Status 1+ rent, I needed something badly. My rent alone was 43% of my pretax income, and thankfully it is now only 37%, but it should only be 25% of my income. The CoL in NYC is killer.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2114 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 20:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Well, see, there's the problem.  My job market pretty much doesn't exist, halfway locally, for the job I do, except where I work.  And saving up a few months of living expenses is something I haven't ever managed, in forty years in the workforce.  The best I've ever gotten is one month of bills, not even counting rent or groceries.

I feel ya.  My goal is to always have 2 months saved up... but I haven't been able to do that since 2001.  I finally got to where I managed in the last two months to save up half a month's living expenses.  I'm hoping I can go a few months without emergencies and get that up my preferred two months saved... but that's not usualy how my luck works.  I get ahead just in time for an emergency...

Narrator:
Given that I am Status 0 paying Status 1+ rent, I needed something badly. My rent alone was 43% of my pretax income, and thankfully it is now only 37%, but it should only be 25% of my income. The CoL in NYC is killer.

Ditto.  Up till last month my rent was 50% of my income, if my pay holds at where it was the last month, it's 37%... but I don't believe it will.  A lot of that bump was OT and Job Training bumps and I expect to drop back to my standard rates this month.  Though we'll see.  I haven't been told what the pay rates for new position is (one more week of training processes), but it's supposed to be higher than the credit card mines pay.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1540 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 22:34
Re: Out of Character 9
What?  Haven't you guys heard?  We're in a recovery economy now!

I'm just glad I didn't miss a single day of work due to the lockdown, and only missed two, with sick/vacation time to cover, to get tested (negative) after a secondhand exposure.

What I need is a quick way to get back to where I was in darkroom printing skills thirteen years ago -- I was a few months away from feeling I was ready to start selling prints on Etsy or eBay.  This is all stuff I learned to do, in principle, in the early 1970s, but as an artistic skill as well as a technical one, it gets rusty.

Tomorrow's main goal is to get my second enlarger assembled and the condenser head installed on the one that currently has a cold light (= diffusion light source).  That'll give me one that enhances sharpness, and one with built-in contrast (and color) filtration that doesn't.  It's been almost fifty years since I've used a condenser enlarger, and I don't know if my negatives are high enough quality (I think I have some cameras that will meet the need), but I can use the color head the same way I was using the cold light before my shutdown (as well as starting to learn color printing).

If I had living costs covered without a job, I'm confident I could be selling prints to more than cover the costs of film, chemicals, and paper inside a year.  Working full time and driving an hour each way, with the costs that entails, it might take me five years.  If I had the discipline to drop everything else, that could be two years...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2116 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 22:44
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
What?  Haven't you guys heard?  We're in a recovery economy now!

Yup, and I've been doing better the last 4 years than the previous 8...  the Obama years were terrible for me (not Obama's fault the economy was in shambles.  I know how these things go, but emotionally it's hard to argue against the last four years of steadily increasing paychecks when the previous eight were the mire of unemployment and minimum wage).
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1955 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 5 Sep 2020
at 23:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 685):

Lol, sounds like a begrudging Trump supporter! Should I ask if he has earn't your vote yet.

[Runs and hides under very heavy cover!]
Rosewood
 player, 133 posts
 Pixie
 Wizardling
Sun 6 Sep 2020
at 02:10
Re: Out of Character 9
I will post tomorrow.

Just to say.  I think Rosewood has become little unhinged.
Just thought I give you head up on that.
Gareth
 player, 668 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sun 6 Sep 2020
at 04:35
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Rosewood (msg # 687):

Unhinged? What is wrong with that? Some folk have been that way their entire adult lives...and they on just fine!

What has unhinged her, if it matters?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2117 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sun 6 Sep 2020
at 13:52
Re: Out of Character 9
Christine Bjorn:
Lol, sounds like a begrudging Trump supporter! Should I ask if he has earn't your vote yet.

[Runs and hides under very heavy cover!]

No worries.  I'm probably going 3p again like in 2016 (and I've done repeatedly in the past).  Neither Party fills me with hope, and to be honest the 3p candidates don't either, but maybe, maybe this year one of them can hit 5%?  That's a sliver of hope.
Oly
 player, 1255 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sun 6 Sep 2020
at 18:38
Re: Out of Character 9
A genuine 3rd centrist party  would indeed be welcome ...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2118 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sun 6 Sep 2020
at 18:41
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
A genuine 3rd centrist party  would indeed be welcome ...

If one of them hits 15% this election I'd be beyond overjoyed, but I'm more than willing to settle to for 5%.
Oly
 player, 1257 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sun 6 Sep 2020
at 18:46
Re: Out of Character 9
Most all are not the least Centrist... all are somewhat extreme.  And 5% would be telling.
As usual, most voters are voting against a candidate, not for one, which says a great deal about how failed the two party system is...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1543 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 6 Sep 2020
at 23:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Oly:
how failed the two party system is...


As long as we have the electoral system we have, we'll have a two party system.  The only viable way to three or more parties that have a chance of influencing government (other than as spoilers) is a parliamentary system like the ones in almost every other nation on Earth.

Clear majority is required to form a government, and if no one party has it, parties have to form a coalition that manages it -- and this goes along with votes of confidence/no confidence and all the rest.  I'm a little hazy on what countries do that don't have a House of Lords -- I think they have a unicameral Parliament -- but it doesn't matter relative to the mechanics of a system that gives multiple parties a chance to at least share power if there's no single clear majority.

That said, I fear the level of rewriting the Constitution it would take to implement this in America.  A Constitutional Convention could potentially completely tear down all the protections and checks and balances we have, and a nation in the throes of an internal crisis might ratify a new Constitution that we'd regret for the next few centuries -- or that would lead to civil war as soon as enough of the populace woke up and realized what they'd been saddled with.
Oly
 player, 1258 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 03:16
Re: Out of Character 9
I will not argue against any of that...
Chye Isuel
 player, 1779 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 03:47
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 693):
our culture has gotten so aberrant after 50+ yrs of nonstop cultural revolution and rampant, unchecked feminism, and marxist media control, that only a benevolent despot in concordance with the conservatives, can bring about the cultural renaissance that would make necessary the cultural change, that would make our nation, as a whole, one that could once again be sane, responsible, and patriotic, to run our once great republic, the way it was intended to be. but until then... the culture war must be won, and won by force. and then, after about 20-30 yrs perhaps, after fixing our problems, and making much needed, geo-political alliances, the republic can be handed back to the people. otherwise, i fear we are doomed to perish in the coils of global crush!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1544 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 11:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Chye Isuel:
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 693):only a benevolent despot in concordance with the conservatives, <snip> then, after about 20-30 yrs perhaps, after fixing our problems, and making much needed, geo-political alliances, the republic can be handed back to the people.


Good grief, I hope this was intended as sarcasm.  There has never in history been a case of a "benevolent despot" handing power back to the people.  I'd argue that it can't happen, because no matter how benevolent your despot (and this isn't even about that oxymoron), the apparatus of dictatorship, once established, will not let go of power short of an armed revolution or total economic collapse.  Power begets hunger for power.

The beauty of the American Constitution was and is its division of power.  The fault of the American Constitution was and is its dependence on everyone agreeing to play by the (largely unwritten) rules.  We don't even have a set mechanism for dealing with a president who refused to accept the results of a lost election; instead, we have to depend on the military upholding their oaths -- which they don't have a terrific record on.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1780 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 15:31
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 696):
i call it going "franciso fuckin' franco" lol
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2119 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 16:46
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
As long as we have the electoral system we have, we'll have a two party system.  The only viable way to three or more parties that have a chance of influencing government (other than as spoilers) is a parliamentary system like the ones in almost every other nation on Earth.

So the Libertarians and Greens in Congress* aren't influencing our government?  And the Lib and Green and Socialist (hi Bernie!) mayors and governors aren't an influence on the system?

I'll grant you, presidentially we've pretty much been a 2p system from jump, even if they weren't organized that way until after Washington left office.

* FAKE EDIT;  I just checked and was suprised by the lack of 3p in the Congress.  There is just one, Libertarian, in the House and none in the Senate.  Though we have had more 3p in the past, historically this never exceeded 7 members.  Now I am sad.  Though I also wonder how many are 'fake' Dems or Repubs in disguise (like Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders or Libertarian Conservative Rand Paul).

Though we still have a 'decent' number in lower offices scattered across the US.


Ardenas Barehand:
There has never in history been a case of a "benevolent despot" handing power back to the people.

One could, with some squinting and a healthy dose of cough meds, make the case that Washington was a benevolent tyrant who let the reigns go and set that precedent*.  Thus proving (by default) that he wasn't an actual tyrant, no matter how his detractors cursed him or his supporters cried out for him to be King.


* Autowrong kept fixing my misspelling 'precident' to president.  You have no idea how long it took for me to figure out which letter was wrong... (yes I just started brute forcing the vowels until I found the correct spelling.  Through rubberhose-crytpo probably would have been faster...)
Narrator
 GM, 8145 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 17:39
Re: Out of Character 9
Whe! We have s lot of varied political opinions here!

Mine show clearly (I am mostly down with the Vejovians) but lets look at the "local" politics:
Northport is nominally a barony, but is infact adminstrated by a theocratic beuracracy. Shevnia was a hereditary principality, but underwent a war of succession where both sides hired orcish mercenaries and between the plague and the Horseshoe nail of the pay train, all was lost, and it crumbled into city states at war, and raw banditry.
Veroigne is a barony that became subject to a despot after post-plague feudal warfare. Sonne is more or less a theocracy,  and all of Aral is part of a declining empire. Valdassya is a cluster of small kingdoms under theocratic rule

Faerie is split into two kindoms where the rulers are first among equals in a system of convoluted meritocratic aristocracy (most are immortal, so there isn't too much inheritance.

Sahud is an empire composed of many diverse small kingdoms overseen by the imperial beaurocracy, and proximate to those of the worshippers of the 9 million...

The bouda have a matriarchy.

Shit I need to have more women in power in this game.
Urrun
 player, 337 posts
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 18:02
Re: Out of Character 9
But we have it right! when we say screw the leader, we mean it!With enough puppies, she will step aside.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 317 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 18:33
Re: Out of Character 9
Politically I try hard to stay centrist/moderate liberal.  What frightens me to the core is the number of people who have abandoned the centrist media for one of the following reasons:
* It is nor liberal OR conservative enough for them.
* The overt politics has become far more visible and callous than they have been in my lifetime.
* Racism has taken a very prominent role lately, and many do not want to see it.

People who do not have a root in unbiased news frequently drift more extreme in one direction or another.  I am terrified by the number of people who just don't want to see what's happening because it's just to hard or disagees with their political or religious views.  The bias is real and quite insane.

I personally have majority-conservative friends, so I have maintained an ability to work across the lines.  However, I do consider the current president to be the biggest threat to the existence of the country that I have ever seen.
Urrun
 player, 338 posts
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 18:44
Re: Out of Character 9
Amen
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1545 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 21:36
Re: Out of Character 9
I used to consider myself a Libertarian, starting in the late 1970s -- they had it all, liberal views on personal freedoms and equality, but a far right take on personal defensive capability.

Too bad the Libertarian Party a) never went anywhere and b) sold out trying to get into a position to matter.  I'm still libertarian, but the last time I saw my way clear to vote for instead of against was when Rand Paul's dad was running on the L ballot -- when was that, 2004?

Now I'm stuck between a party that's become mired in hate-mongering and pernicious religion, and one that doesn't recognize my right to defend myself, my loved ones, and my home -- but admits the police can't, even if they would.

I've got another twenty or thirty years left in me, most likely (both parents are past 80, my dad's six sisters all lived into their mid-80s) -- but what happens to the USA in the upcoming election won't matter if we don't fix what we're doing to the climate within the next twenty years (which means we need to start last year).

The science is clear: we need to eliminate fossil fuel transportation and power generation, and find more efficient ways to do a lot of things we consider vital (like air conditioning in climates where, by rights, we shouldn't live at all).  Four more years with a government that doesn't believe the science will almost certainly be too late -- if it isn't too late already.
Oly
 player, 1259 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 22:47
Re: Out of Character 9
The bigger problem (for me) is that some dunderheads think I am going to pay money for a vehicle that they control with their computer.
I have worked Computers for quite a while, and I will drive the car ... most all of the computer assist crap is slower than I am and less aware.
But them I drive without texting, talking on the phone or concentrating on anything but the car/road/idiots around me.

Electric cars will work when they have charging stations distributed like gas stations, range is 3-400 miles and recharging takes 5-8 minutes.

I agree that Firearms possession needs to be protected, BUT we obviously need to some sort of licensing for different levels of firearms, as common sense is no longer common ... we have real fools using weapons they have no business with.
As much as I would not like to limit ownership, we no longer have a choice. The Russian Financed National Rifle Association not with standing.

As to where we live ... if we cram everyone into places where you are comfortable all the time, New York won't look crowded in comparison.
There are ways to live in places that aren't as comfortable all the time without destroying the planet.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1781 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 02:52
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 703):

we've had the tech to replace fossil fuels for awhile, but it won't happen until every last petro dollar is wrung from the earth, and wars fought over the obsolete energy, all because there's still billions lying under the earth.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2121 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 06:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
I used to consider myself a Libertarian...

I'm pretty much always located opposite Libertarians when I take those tests, despite finding myself most closely aligning with them overall.  Them and the Naderite Greens.  It's a split.
Chye Isuel
 player, 1782 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 08:28
Re: Out of Character 9
trump doesn't know how to be glib, and he's openly crass. he's also arrogant, but i approve of his nationalism, and his awareness of the encroaching communist/globalist threat. i've always seen him as a symbol of 1970s-80's corporate sleaze, but he's redeemed himself, in my eyes. the left has been absolutely stark raving, foaming-at-the-mouth mad, over his election. outright insurrection...rogue local governments selling out their citizenry to brigandage... i'd predicted this contrived unrest, but i hadn't bargained for the covid schovid blowvid bullshit. i believe the virus is real, but i believe it's an experiment in cooperation with china, teaching the commies in our government how they in communist china, control the world's largest, unwilling populace in the world.
Narrator
 GM, 8152 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 12:31
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 707):

Having dealt directly with hundreds of people dying, of symptoms I had a handy method of observing, along with having had the virus in one of its milder manifestations, I am glad that you recognize its real.
As to the ravening left, mostly we want everyone to have healthcare and for the pilice to stop murdering folks at random, you know, extreme things like that.



Anyway, can we go back to our little elf game with respect for our wildly differing viewpoints please? I am glad that we all feel comfortable enough to have these discussions in a civil manner.

This message was last edited by the GM at 22:03, Tue 08 Sept 2020.

Chye Isuel
 player, 1783 posts
 Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
 Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 15:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 706):
lol. i took one of those tests, and placed right of margaret thatcher.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1957 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 21:18
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 709):

I am not convinced of the accuracy of those tests. I am pretty sure they place Stalin as centralist...

But consciously staying out of the politics. Back to hunting demons we can kill...even if it is with difficulty!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1546 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 23:12
Re: Out of Character 9
Agreed.  As was written (well before I was born): "I disapprove of what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."  (Helen Beatrice Hall, writing as Stephen G. Tallentyre, an in-character quote misattributed to Voltaire)
Balir Ironhide
 player, 320 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 23:18
Re: Out of Character 9
Might be coincidence, but the last time we broached politics the boss was missing that day too.  Could be nothing, could be that it stresses him out.  He asked us to desist, let's respect that.
Narrator
 GM, 8160 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 13 Sep 2020
at 04:41
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 712):

Be back Monday
Dne Utrotare
 player, 256 posts
 Anyone
 down there?
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 19:11
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Agreed.  As was written (well before I was born): "I disapprove of what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."  (Helen Beatrice Hall, writing as Stephen G. Tallentyre, an in-character quote misattributed to Voltaire)


I agree.  That said, some damn stupid things are being said these days.  It’s as though we’ve given up on any effort to agree on a shared set of facts and have all just decided to believe whatever bologna we want... and it’s always the bologna that puts us in the right and frames the other side as the spawn of hell.

Having said that, I’ll pass on any further political discussion, which can only wreck the game for me by producing bad blood.
Narrator
 GM, 8161 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 20:45
Re: Out of Character 9
Unless it is ingame pitics, like thr red boar vs the wolf on the green as potential leaders,and opinions on the efficacy of hereditary rule in Veroigne vs Baron Pequenaud's rule.  Got swamped at work, ended up with no lunchbreak and some involuntary ot. Will tey tomorrow
Balir Ironhide
 player, 321 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 22:43
Re: Out of Character 9
I fired up the 2016 XCOM 2 on my new computer build and may have been distracted for much of the weekend.  But, most of the earth is now in full rebellion against those awful aliens.  I feel much better now.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1548 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 23:28
Re: Out of Character 9
I've been playing a Steam game called Quern -- very much in the spirit of Myst with modern graphics (free roaming, real-time rendered).  Originally made for VR, which explains some of its mildly annoying quirks (mouse-look is the ONLY look -- but at least you can lock it while you manipulate objects).

Unfortunately, it has less of the "this makes perfect sense in-world" and more of "this is a puzzle just to be a puzzle" -- for instance, why would everything have a puzzle lock, as opposed to just stuff you need to keep people out of?

Okay, in fairness, I'm only a little way into the game (because did I mention that everything has a puzzle lock?), there may be a good, internally consistent reason for that.  Sure does keep a first time player from just blasting through the game, though.  Especially since a couple of the puzzles have hard-to-spot in-game cues.

Also, because VR, it requires me to play with graphics quality turned down and game in a window, because my computer (mainly graphics card) is a little underpowered.  I have AMD FX 8350, 8 cores/8 threads at 4.1 GHz and 16 GB RAM, but my video is only a GTx 750, now about three years old and not top of the line when I got it.  Might be getting time to spend $200 on a video upgrade, not to mention consider adding a PCIe direct SSD (my /home is getting full).
Narrator
 GM, 8171 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 18 Sep 2020
at 20:23
Re: Out of Character 9
Wait... is everyone assuming that Rosewood is a female pixie? Their gender expression is not something I am sure of, but I am sure appropriate  pronouns matter to them.
Anita Drake
 player, 219 posts
 Hey sweetie
 Lets see your money pouch
Fri 18 Sep 2020
at 21:18
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 718):

Pretty sure I am referring to him as a he. I am a female...
Narrator
 GM, 8198 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 25 Sep 2020
at 19:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Anita Drake (msg # 719):

Going to be catching up on Monday most likely, will be out and about with my wife this weekend
Narrator
 GM, 8200 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 29 Sep 2020
at 01:04
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 720):

Whep. Overtime and no break. Tomorrow?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1550 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 2 Oct 2020
at 08:51
Re: Out of Character 9
Umm.  Ulo?  A cubic yard is 27 cubic feet -- 3x3x3.  So a 10 foot deep, 3 foot square pit would be just 3 1/3 cubic yards, while the larger 10x5x5 is slightly less than 10 (actually about 9 1/4).
Ulo
 player, 246 posts
 Badly scarred Trollwife
 HP 9/9 FP 1/14 PF 0/10
Fri 2 Oct 2020
at 11:26
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
Umm.  Ulo?  A cubic yard is 27 cubic feet -- 3x3x3.  So a 10 foot deep, 3 foot square pit would be just 3 1/3 cubic yards, while the larger 10x5x5 is slightly less than 10 (actually about 9 1/4).

I'll admit... that set of maths is not my strong suit.  So, my initial eyeballing it at 10 cubic yards was right, and not under?  Huh.  Okay  I'll take your word for it (I couldn't find a cubic yard calculator, it was all cubic feet online).
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1551 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Fri 2 Oct 2020
at 22:53
Re: Out of Character 9
As one who worked concrete one summer as a teen (never mind it was 45 years ago), a cubic yard is a pretty big chunk.  About 3/4 of a ton if it's water, soil probably above a ton.  That pit critter just got ten tons of dirt in its (presumed) mouth...

And Ulo has every right to be exhausted...
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1117 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Fri 2 Oct 2020
at 23:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 724):

So 4 cubic yards or rock around the creatures head is how much weight?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1552 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 3 Oct 2020
at 12:58
Re: Out of Character 9
Typical rock, similar to cured concrete, ought to mass something like three tons per cubic yard, as a minimum.  Some rocks are denser than this.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2133 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 3 Oct 2020
at 18:09
Re: Out of Character 9
I don't think weight is going to be much concern unless there is an empty or unsupported space beneath the tunnel that the creature is "overlapping".  Even then, if it works like I (the Player) suspect it does, that won't come into play until/if it dies...

Of course, if Ülo can pull off her next hat trick*, Earth to Stone, it might matter† an awful lot.





* Which would be easier if she'd rolled a 5 and gotten the spell for free.  Now she'll be rolling with Shock Penalties as she spend Hit Points to power the spell...

†  Eh, eh?  Matter?  Get it...

I'll see myself out.
Narrator
 GM, 8224 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 3 Oct 2020
at 18:22
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 727):

She might not be that low, considering she only had to create 3 cubic yards of earth.


I am on vacation the next two weeks. The first week, I am pounding away at commissions, and will do some posting. Also hoping to get in a zoom game or two.
 The second week, I will be traveling  (many short day trips) with my wife, and may be away from game for the entirety.
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1118 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Sat 3 Oct 2020
at 22:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 728):

Lol, typical! I will be around the next two weeks, then likely away the next three! But as always, will post when I can.

I was actually thinking of the creature with about 12+ tons of rock about it's head...how else can you kill something with massive DR are rapid regeneration? But if he has a 12 5t flail for a head...we want to stay well away from that!

Edit: Google check indicates that weight would be between 5 and 10 US tons for 4 cubic yards. Still...the nerd within me has to ask, for extra heavy encumbrance to lift 5 tons,

Spoiler text: (Highlight or hover over the text to view)
5 t = 10000 lbs = 10 x BL, BL = 1000 lbs = (ST x ST) /5, ST = sqrt(5000) = 70.7!
that would require a creature of ST 70! And it breathes fire! Scary stuff indeed!

This message was last edited by the player at 22:32, Sat 03 Oct 2020.

Aethul
 player, 247 posts
 Shevnian Ranger
Sat 3 Oct 2020
at 22:32
Re: Out of Character 9
Who knows, but hopefully he cannot breathe through it...
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1119 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Sat 3 Oct 2020
at 22:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Aethul (msg # 730):

Yes, I am hoping...It exhausted me to cast it. I am pretty sure if cannot bite of breath fire through it though, and it will make diving into the dirt so much harder!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2134 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sun 4 Oct 2020
at 02:23
Re: Out of Character 9
Kirpich Rockson:
I was actually thinking of the creature with about 12+ tons of rock about it's head...

Ah, your beastie.  I haven't been following the other threads I'm not in for awhile.
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1120 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Sun 4 Oct 2020
at 04:49
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 732):

I think Trading with trolls is the only one I am absent from...perhaps need to see if Aoife/Sederic or Hograth/Melchizadek want to split and join them. Hograth and Aoife probably not though. Seems like a suitable job for Sederic or Melchizadek though.
The Beast of Veroigne
 NPC, 18 posts
 Mon Dieu!
 That thing is huge!
Mon 5 Oct 2020
at 20:56
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 733):

I feel faint.
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1121 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Tue 6 Oct 2020
at 04:13
Re: Out of Character 9
The Beast of Veroigne:
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 733):

I feel faint.


GM or beast? I hope it is the latter...but I am socially challenged, I feel the need to ask!
Narrator
 GM, 8228 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 6 Oct 2020
at 13:34
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 735):

That would be the beast, which is suffocating...
Kirpich Rockson
 player, 1122 posts
 Earth Cleric
 He Rocks!
Tue 6 Oct 2020
at 18:44
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 736):

Ah, good! That was my intention...
Narrator
 GM, 8248 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Fri 9 Oct 2020
at 20:19
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 737):

To simplify things: mystic mark reduces the distance/familiarity penalties on Seeker, making it easier to track a person or thing with the mark. The marks can fade over time' but less so if physically inscribed.
Reanna Draegan
 player, 538 posts
 Burglar, scout
 Rank 2 Admin badge
Fri 9 Oct 2020
at 23:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 738):

Reanna, who was probably looking at one, has no magical inclination to recognize them. But as a thief, she is probably aware of such magic...and hence leaves the box behind because she recognizes it has been marked, without comprehension of how the magics work.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2139 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 02:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Reanna Draegan:
Reanna, who was probably looking at one, has no magical inclination to recognize them.

No Thaumatology?
Reanna Draegan
 player, 539 posts
 Burglar, scout
 Rank 2 Admin badge
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 02:38
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 740):

Oh, come on. Not ALL of my characters have Theumatology! Only 5/14, to be exact, not including the animal/elemental allies.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2141 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 04:21
Re: Out of Character 9
Reanna Draegan:
Oh, come on. Not ALL of my characters have Theumatology! Only 5/14, to be exact, not including the animal/elemental allies.

Heh, 3/6 for me and one of them is actually a Wizard.  Okay, a witch (Wizard/Druid) but she's mostly Wizard....
Gareth
 player, 684 posts
 Odd Character
 Smokin' Human
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 06:28
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 742):

Heh, I only have Gareth, Sederic (Who I inherited), Aine, Christine and Clarence. I actually have more with Theology (6, 2 of which I inherited, 1 is an Ally. Well, Clarence is kind of an Ally too. Not really a stand-alone character...Aine, who is built on half the points, probably does more things better. Hograth has Theology, but does not use it for spells).

Only Anita and Reanna are Mundane...both thieves. Oh, and Chris (Golem), Chunky and Crispin (Elementals), Bear and Anaconda (Animals)...but I don't really control them. They are my pals!

Don't really go for the Heavy DR types...the lack of ability to dodge kind of scares me. Even Hograth only has DR4, and that is magically lightened. I mean, with 60 lbs of plate for DR6 for a human sized critter, and a bodkin bolt doing 1d6+3(2), you are still going to cop 1d6 pi from your average crossbow, and most will be at medium encumbrance. Is it really worth it? Jednessa just goes for bulletproof nudity! Thoughts, fighter types?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2142 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 15:22
Re: Out of Character 9
Gareth:
Is it really worth it?

That's what I'll be struggling with with Stenet as soon as his armor gets out of the shop.  At DR 7 and 60 pounds of Plate he'll be my second highest DR, but most heavily armored character.  His Dodge drops to a 7... but he (like Jednesa) really doesn't use Dodge (it's already an 8), he relies on Block and Parry and his current 4/3 DR.  And I'll probably put 3 exp into Dwarven Tough Skin Dr and push him up to DR 8.  From there it's going to require more money...

Of course, of my 6 characters no one else exceeds DR 4.  Jareth and Ülo have very expensive Hvy Leather (DR 4 and 3 respectively), Benny and Dilandua have light leather (DR 1)...  But sadly of all them only Dilandua uses Dodge, and Dilandua's parry is so great, Dodge is a fallback (but 11 is a really nice number to fallback to).

Benny just relies on prayer... and hopefully never really getting into fights.  But he's an ex-merchant turned Saint, so (like Jareth, and Ülo) he just really needs to avoid combat.

Jareth just needs to stop rushing head-on into situations he is completely incapable of being useful in.  But then the word "cautious" isn't listed anywhere on his character sheet...


quote:
Jednessa just goes for bulletproof nudity!

Actually...  I eschewed Bulletproof Nudity for a couple of reasons... 1 - I find it slightly too cheesy for my taste*, 2 it would have been more expensive than just buying up more DR or Dodge.  Remember that optional rule buy in requires Attractive Appearance or better and Jednesa is Hideous.

No Jednesa relies on very impressive 'naked' DR (10/12 Tough Skin Everything/Crushing) and being a mountain of meat (HP 30).  She fears eye-shots and Wights.  Yes, even dumb as rocks ogresses can learn to fear something that ignores all their defenses and drops them in three hits!


So back to your question... Jednesa tends to fight like a berserker, because she can (and she occasionally goes berserk); Stenet is cautious, often going for regular Attack Manuevers or Committed or Defensive attacks to keep his defenses available (or bonused) while still getting attacks; Dilandua will only All-Out-Attack as a fight ender, otherwise they will keep those Parries and Dodges handy (low, low DR and almost no HP); and the other three should be fighting defensively, or (preferably) from a distance (Ülo has ranged spells, Benny and Jareth have only have situational usefulness in combat).

Stenets biggest weakness (IMO) is his very, very low Move.  It starts at 5, but drops to 3 with his heavy armor.  That means he's not (my preferred combat style) a skirmisher, he's a line anchor.  Inversely both Jednesa and Dilandua are designed to skirmish (move 8 and 11 respectively) and are meant to move in response and deal with break-out threats, or charge past the line and engage leaders/casters/etc in the enemy's rear (or flank and force the enemy to deal with multiple engagements).  Granted, high Move (especially 11+) isn't really often useful in PbP games, not only due to diminished tactical mapping, but due to facing mostly skirmishing foes.  It's rare we face foes that try to move as a line or engage as a block (the battle outside the Abbey gates might the first I've seen here, where a superior numbered force was arrayed in battle lines... and due to our group make-up we laughed all over those lines and decimated them).



* Though admittedly in a regular "Orc and Pie"/"Back To The Dungeon" style DF game, I'd think it was just fine.  The cost is born in requiring an Advantage that is usually useless, Attractive Appearance.  So for most Barbarians (and other non-Social types), it's perfectly fine.  For Bards or Swashbucklers I'd feel it was too cheesy.  Now I'm contemplating an Elven Barbarian who survives on Dodge, Beefcake Protection (Bulletproof Nudity for DFD:Barbarians), and Flesh Wounds...  Fozzio Lanboni, and unlike the namesake (Fabio) give him no actual social skills... okay, maybe Public Speaking (Puns)...

And as a rarity, most of my Characters here are monsters...  4 out of 6!  Jednesa and Ülo in the traditional sense (though Jednesa is good-natured and Ülo knows better than to start shit she can't finish... generally, though put her in a room with Christine and there will be some hair pulling (at the minimum)); where Dilandua is a highly ethical sociopath (Callous + Bloodlust + Code of Bushido) and Jareth is now a Cultist of the Elder Things (while he's not really a 'bad guy' and has no compulsion or disad requirements to use his new powers, he really doesn't know what the drawbacks are yet, so he has no reason not to use Cultist 'spells').
Mario Crowfoot
 player, 1101 posts
 An orphan who grew up
 with bow in hand
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 17:31
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
and Jareth is now a Cultist of the Elder Things


Woops.  Hope Mario doesn't twig to that...
Clarence Montague
 player, 376 posts
 Torchbearer
 Spiderboy
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 21:07
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 745):

I don't think Clarence is bright enough to realize that...or what to do if he did. IQ of 11, but somehow is is not really practical IQ.

DR 10 tough skin for Jednessa? How did you manage that? I could not get the GM to agree to more than DR 6 for a Golem with inbuilt plate, though originally he was designed with DR8 or 10 (I can't remember now). He is much harder to heal than Jednessa...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2143 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 23:21
Re: Out of Character 9
Clarence Montague:
DR 10 tough skin for Jednessa? How did you manage that?

Specific power-ups for Ogres and Barbarians (Ogres can have up to DR 3 (Tough Skin), Barbarians up to DR 2/4* (Tough Skin, Everything/Crushing), the Shirtless Savage Lens allows up to DR 5 (Tough Skin, Cannot Stack With Armor)).  So some of it doesn't stack with armor, so even if she ever bought armor whatever is armored loses 5 points of her 'native' DR, so she has to buy Plate if she buys anything... and armor costs 5 times and weighs 6 times as much for her, so that Plate is stupidly beyond her means to buy or even carry†.  (I have contemplated a Plate helm and gauntlets...  that's just over 5k$ and is actually still pretty light, slap a few enchants on them and she'd still be at No Encumbrance)



* So most Ogre Barbarians are probably rockin around DR 5 (Tough Skin) before whatever garbage DR their Hide Coat or Bearskin Cape brings to the party (if they're wearing anything at all).  Note, Dwarven Barbarians can rock all the way up to DR 9/11 (4/6 if not being all Shirtless).  Now I'm thinking about recreating a Dwarven Beerserker I once played in D&D who had a penchant for taking his kilt off at the start of fights...

Aw man, what was his name? [digs through old character sheets...] Aha!  Garrison Page.  He wore a pot helm, heavy manica on the right arm, plate forearm on the left, a brigandine kilt, plate boots, and fought using a pair of heavy ulu (punch axes).  (But no, just like with Fozzio Lanboni, I've already got a Barbarian.  So they get shelved.)

† Okay... that's not exactly true.  A full suit of Jednesa sized Plate weighs 300 pounds and would put her at Medium encumbered.  It's that price that's a crusher at 37.5K$.  She could get an Ironskin Amulet for less than that!  (Which is what she's saving for)

quote:
He is much harder to heal than Jednessa...
It's probably about the same normally...

Jednesa has MR+3 and SM+2, so spells cost 3 times as much and are at -3.  Her native resistance to Potions means Heal Pots are basically a no go (unless you're willing to waste a bunch in an emergency hoping I roll 17 or 18).  Right now our group has an indulgence of healers*, otherwise Jednesa would be in Chris' boat, one healer who may be busy doing something else very important right now (and if I remember correctly you're using the Repair spell on Chris, so it's pretty damned costly and not a combat viable spell).

Okay, Jednesa can use Healing Stones, I should invest in a handful for her for emergencies.


* I mean seriously, four healers.  We are swimming in healing.  It's practically criminal that any of us should go about at anything less than full HP...
Emma Wilson
 player, 53 posts
 Priestess of Helios
Sat 10 Oct 2020
at 23:38
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 747):

Well, yeah, but Emma has the Huge Healing double Perk (Major healing only), for 2 points, which enables her to heal Jednessa like anyone else.

Christine has the Minor Healing (Golems Only) spell specifically for healing Chris, so it is much of a muchness, but she has to spend twice as much to heal him as Major Healing would allow.

But yes, we do have probably the best party for rapid recovery in Northport!
Jednesa
 player, 504 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Sun 11 Oct 2020
at 00:49
Re: Out of Character 9
Emma Wilson:
Well, yeah, but Emma has the Huge Healing double Perk (Major healing only), for 2 points, which enables her to heal Jednessa like anyone else.

Aw yeeeeeees!  So no need to worry about crippling the healers anymore, it's full bore 'zerker mode now!



(I kid, Jednesa only rarely 'zerks.)
Emma Wilson
 player, 54 posts
 Priestess of Helios
Sun 11 Oct 2020
at 00:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jednesa (msg # 749):

Lol, isn't she 'zerking now?
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2144 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sun 11 Oct 2020
at 00:55
Re: Out of Character 9
Mario Crowfoot:
Woops.  Hope Mario doesn't twig to that...

Unless you can recognize he's not actually using magic to cast his new found "spells"... I think we're both safe.  As far as I can tell Nodwin knows 'something' is up*, so group wise, unless someone asks Jareth how he's suddenly casting spells when he's said he has no "magic"... (but then Ymid did do something to Jareth's thinky bits, so feel free to invent whatever wild excuses you want)


* Jareth suddenly became Excommunicated sometime between Ymid showing him how to operate the Bone Gate and him 'casting' Seek Gate to find the Devil's Pawn Shoppe, and as a divine caster Nodwin gets a twig on that (and right now I can't remember if we told Nodwin's Player or not, but I'm pretty sure he already knew something was up).  I say "sometime" because it took a few months of back and forthing between me and gwythaint to figure out how he wanted to work Cultist Powers, and we eventually settled on "Just do it like Cultist of the Elder Thing in Pyramid 3/43" since it did basically everything he wanted and already had a spell list, and has Excommunicated as a requirement for it's Power Investiture.  And I added a new spell list† for Jareth's 'Patron', so, you could say Jareth has basically become a Warlock from D&D without the kewl 'constant' blasty power.

† Actual Gate and Knowledgeing 'spells'.  The Cultist list is all telepathy and TK and making people's heads explode.  Not really Jareth's cuppa tea.  Though telepathy might be useful.  Scary telepathy...
Jednesa
 player, 505 posts
 Naked Barbarian Ogress
 HP:27/36 FP:13/13
Sun 11 Oct 2020
at 01:27
Re: Out of Character 9
Emma Wilson:
Lol, isn't she 'zerking now?

Actually no.  She made her Berserk roll at the start of combat and hasn't taken any damage, so hasn't needed to check since.  If she were berserk she wouldn't be trying to choke it out, she'd have already ripped two heads off (possibly all three) as that's a whole lot faster (and safer)...

Her plan was to pin it and squeeze it till it passed out.  The pinning was so it couldn't swipe anyone else (or get a lucky crit on her).  The choke is because she's still trying to not kill it.

I mean it's a big kitty cat and we have a Druidess (I'm pretty sure we have a druidess), so that means Three-headed Kitty friend!  Just the right size for Jednesa to play with!


You gotta see the long play here.  ;)
Emma Wilson
 player, 55 posts
 Priestess of Helios
Sun 11 Oct 2020
at 01:39
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jednesa (msg # 752):

Oh, of course! Jednessa is only SM +2, right? That should mean she is the same as SM ) for Major Healing only.

But how are we going to convince kitty to play nice? Especially as her friend is quietly cooking in the background now? Well, unconscious due to fire damage no-one has put out...

Ah, here is that perk...

Huge Subjects†‡
You’re accustomed to casting a particular Regular spell on larger-than-human-sized targets. This perk is common among dragon wizards, giant mages, and so on! You must specialize by spell. When casting that spell, subtract one from the target’s SM (minimum SM 0) before multiplying cost. You may take this perk twice, to reduce SM by two, but no more.
Narrator
 GM, 8251 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 11 Oct 2020
at 14:53
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Emma Wilson (msg # 753):

The issue with Chris 's DR is that he is costed out as equipment rather than an ally with points.


Back next week all!
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1970 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 11 Oct 2020
at 19:14
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 754):

Ah, so it was how he was paid for, rather than what he is. How many points would he cost as an Ally instead? Is it possible to change him across? I cannot remember the logic we discussed at his creation, nor whether it still applies with the changes since then.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 335 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 12 Oct 2020
at 04:26
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir is rocking the tough skin and heavy mail for DR 7/5.  He's a typical dwarf, through and through, including an excellent shield block.  Very stout, hard to hit, does very good axe damage, and I gave him the Power Grappling perk to make him a mini-Jednessa.

Goran is much the same, although he's a priest wearing mail with a morning star and shield.  I would have done him differently, but he's inherited, like many of the characters have been.

Haveron is using the 2-H sword with mostly Scale.  He's way more offensive than defensive, but he also has plenty of beef around him.  Focus is more on leadership and making himself a mercenary company, so he's content to have good people.

Alchemist McNealy is more jack-of-all-trades than he is straight healer.  He's somewhat undone yet because we really haven't finished the alchemist stuff.  He has a list of what he is carrying, but I think he should be able to gadget potions way faster than he has.  That said, the GM has enough to do and he's functioning well enough so I haven't pushed it.  In the giant scheme of things, it's not critical.

Jareth picked the right priest to adventure with.  Nodwin has curious, weirdness magnet, and broad minded as a trio.  As long as Jareth isn't being evil, he might not react as strongly as others.  He's also noted to be quite young, meaning he isn't really as rigid as older priests would be.  It may be that I have played him more flexibly than he should be at this point.  I either did not know or did not track the excommunicated bit.  When the GM gets back I'll need to remember to ask if he would care about it.  He's wearing a hodge-podge of chain and leather but most of it has been enchanted, so he isn't overly encumbered.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 337 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 00:25
Re: Out of Character 9
Hey, need to pull on your collective experience for a couple minutes.

I have a buddy running a ShadowRun game.  It's slow because he's in school, mostly playing because we have been personal friends on and off for a longish time.

My character in the game just branched out into Rigging, which is to say operating drones.  Ultra Tech has like a couple paragraphs, but handles them more like characters you would buy with points.  We're looking to use them like equipment, so buying them with cash.  Is there a good book for this sort of thing?  I probably ought to know, but I'm much more on the consumer side of things, and have mostly done fantasy.

Appreciate any pointers you have.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1972 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 00:54
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 757):

So the Shadowrun game is run using the GURPs system? GURPs Bio-Tech or Ultra-Tech would be my Goto GURPs books, though there is a fan Shadowrun GURPs book as well. But if he is using Shadowrun, I would have to ask which version...I only have 2 and 4, and they are both old now!

I would look at using drones in Ultra-Tech. They can be either gear or allies, depending on software...or AI. Ultratech has heaps or Robots...they need to be coupled with a computer brain and software though, and that is where the price gets scary!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2146 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 01:50
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir Ironhide:
Appreciate any pointers you have.

Okay, two questions, are you asking for a good book for drones/robots stated as gear?  Or for rules on drone usage?

Though, I'll be honest, upon reflection my answer isn't likely to change.  The only GURPS books I can think of that fit either question (regardless of answer) are Transhuman Space and Reign of Steel.  Though Reign of Steel less so, I'd just stick with TS (unless you have RoS already).

If you want I can skim my TS books and see which ones would be good for equipment cribbing.
Narrator
 GM, 8252 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 20:42
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 759):

Checking in, may be adding a new player, a barbarian orc priest
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1973 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 18 Oct 2020
at 00:02
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Narrator (msg # 760):

Cool. Which thread?
Balir Ironhide
 player, 338 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Sun 18 Oct 2020
at 00:25
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm looking for drones as gear, meaning purchase price.  And yes in GURPs.

GURPs Ultra Tech mostly does character points for cyborg chassis.  I didn't see where it had much equipment for purchase, and it didn't do drones as we are accustomed to seeing these days.  That's mostly how the GM has been running it.

The ShadowRun book might be worth reading eve if it's just a fan base, just to learn the ropes.

If the other books have any good recommendations, please let me know.  Just a good brief set of guidelines would be worthwhile.

This message was last edited by the player at 00:27, Sun 18 Oct 2020.

Christine Bjorn
 player, 1974 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 18 Oct 2020
at 00:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 762):

Does not have drones?

Scout Robot, UT 80, note that this can have a carbine attached. This is most like the basic Shadorun drone. However, the list really does go on!
Techbot, UT 85
Bush Robot, UT 86
Surveillance Worm, UT 105
Robobug, UT 111
Combat Android and Warbot, UT 167

and also the Powered Tripod mount, UT 151, should be a favourite of Riggers!

and we have not even started to talk about Nanobots...

All of these have prices, and many have options.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 339 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Sun 18 Oct 2020
at 03:36
Re: Out of Character 9
OK.  feel a little dumb.  Never thought to look under explanation robots.  I stand corrected, that's exactly it.

Nice touch with the tripod.  Had not thought to try one of those either.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1975 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 18 Oct 2020
at 03:51
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 764):

The only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask. As my grandpa used to say, better to ask and appear ignorant for a moment than to say nothing and stay ignorant forever!
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2147 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Sun 18 Oct 2020
at 04:05
Re: Out of Character 9
Balir Ironhide:
I'm looking for drones as gear, meaning purchase price.  And yes in GURPs.

Yeah, outside of UT it's only TS and RoS.  Like I said, I can skim TS in a few days and see which books have cybershells/robots/drones.

quote:
If the other books have any good recommendations, please let me know.  Just a good brief set of guidelines would be worthwhile.

Nothing really deals with drone-rigging.  My only recommendation is this one:

If your drone has a strong enough AI/SI set of programs that it can act independently if necessary, it should be an Ally.  If it's just a "gun" that you can fire elsewhere, it's just expensive gear.

Common approach holds to having a "limiting control skill", like Battlesuit for fighting when in a battlesuit.  I prefer to use Piloting/Driving/Sailing for drones.

This message was lightly edited by the player at 19:28, Mon 19 Oct 2020.

Balir Ironhide
 player, 340 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Mon 19 Oct 2020
at 16:16
Re: Out of Character 9
I think the scout drone probably covers what the GM was looking for.  So far all the rigging we have seen has been that sort of model.  He's pretty limited on time so we're going really slow, and branching out into rigging has forced him to work up that section of the game.  Appreciate the pointers, thanks a lot for your time on all of this.
Narrator
 GM, 8260 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Wed 21 Oct 2020
at 19:49
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 767):

Our newcomer will be playing a pixie martial artist. Sorry about scant posting, work came on full tilt.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1558 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 21 Oct 2020
at 22:29
Re: Out of Character 9
Pixie.

Martial artist.

<blink>
Narrator
 GM, 8261 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Thu 22 Oct 2020
at 00:57
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 769):

My reaction exactly.  Built almost entirely on enhanced flying dodge and push.

Just finished a 5 hour round of inappropriately requested OT. I was told I had 15 items to scan and register. It was 47, each reqiring a full page of data entry after being irradiated.... well, it is their money .
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2148 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Thu 22 Oct 2020
at 02:06
Re: Out of Character 9
Narrator:
My reaction exactly.  Built almost entirely on enhanced flying dodge and push.

Oh, interesting.  So they're avoiding dealing damage for being a "setup" attacker.
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 1 post
 Pixie
Sat 24 Oct 2020
at 02:14
Re: Out of Character 9
Hello big folk. I'm glad to be here. Behold the glory of the pound for pound strongest species in all of creation! In the world of tiny fighters I'm freaking Goku!

This message was last edited by the player at 02:32, Sat 24 Oct 2020.

Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1559 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 24 Oct 2020
at 12:47
Re: Out of Character 9
Welcome, Ginko!
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 2 posts
 Pixie
Sat 24 Oct 2020
at 19:16
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 771):

There are some challenges for sure but Ginko can put out damage that isn't completely insignificant. TBaM and Throwing Art open up some possibilities with rapid strikes and pixie sized harpoons. I'll probably have to play Moby Dick style for quite awhile until I fill in a couple of holes in the design. It's all for fun, not saying it will end well. No sneezing around the pixie please...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1562 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sun 25 Oct 2020
at 11:29
Re: Out of Character 9
So, I'm adventuring with a leprechaun -- she's something like a foot tall.  Pixies are smaller?  And can fly, of course, there's one in another group (I read all the threads).
Christine Bjorn
 player, 1977 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 Not from Wastrels Hope.
Sun 25 Oct 2020
at 21:20
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 775):

Odd combination, I must say...
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 3 posts
 Pixie
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 00:07
Re: Out of Character 9
There is so much going on at once and I'm not sure how I fit in yet. Pixies are about half the size of a leprechaun, about 5"-6" tall. I didn't realize that leprechauns were only a foot tall, I always imagined them taller.

Flying is great, and I think being so small will be just as great for sneaking around and getting places others can't. I'll be one heck of a scout. Speed is my greatest asset. I managed to pull off a ridiculous move score.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2151 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 00:57
Re: Out of Character 9
Ginko Bitterpetal:
Speed is my greatest asset. I managed to pull off a ridiculous move score.

Move is one thing, but did you pull off a great Base Speed as well?
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 4 posts
 Pixie
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 01:18
Re: Out of Character 9
Indeed, decent. So a very good dodge, potentially in the 20's if I go all out, but I can't take a hit, AT ALL. The exciting part is a 3 yard step.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2152 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 05:18
Re: Out of Character 9
Ginko Bitterpetal:
The exciting part is a 3 yard step.

I presume that's an Air Move of 21+?  So you got your Basic Speed to a about a 10.5 or better?  That's impressive.
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 5 posts
 Pixie
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 12:20
Re: Out of Character 9
It's what inspired me to try something as unconventional as a fighting pixie. There are some daunting hurdles but also some impressive advantages. We'll see how it all works out. It'll be fun either way.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2153 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 16:01
Re: Out of Character 9
Ginko Bitterpetal:
It's what inspired me to try something as unconventional as a fighting pixie. There are some daunting hurdles but also some impressive advantages. We'll see how it all works out. It'll be fun either way.

From what I've read it can be 'expensive' as a PC, as in, most people who do Pixie warrior builds go the poison route+ranged for damage dealing.  Otherwise I've seen them rolled as Cleric or Wizard to great effect (Pixie Wizard + Hide spell + decent Stealth is effectively invisible, without Invisibility's drawback).

Chi strikes are an intriguing idea, doing the 'setup attacker' route; stuns (Ki Shout), throws/trips/pushes, crippling/blinding strikes (Pressure Points), armor/shield/weapon breaking strikes (Breaking Blow+Power blow)...  That's a very interesting route that could work very, very well.  Instead of being a 'breach skirmisher' you're playing a 'crowd control specialist'.  On paper it sounds challenging but fun.


And because we're not rolling pure DFRPG, you can eventually pick up Lethal Strike for better damage on fleshy foes, possibly even Pressure Secrets for even more damage, or even such esoteric Chi abilities like Dim Mak or Soul Blast...
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 6 posts
 Pixie
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 16:59
Re: Out of Character 9
Jareth Mooncalled:
From what I've read it can be 'expensive' as a PC, as in, most people who do Pixie warrior builds go the poison route+ranged for damage dealing.  Otherwise I've seen them rolled as Cleric or Wizard to great effect (Pixie Wizard + Hide spell + decent Stealth is effectively invisible, without Invisibility's drawback).


A good stealth score combined with -6 to their contest using observation to spot me is not quite as effective but still a situation most assassins could dream for. DF2 pg. 11 Backstabbing also comes to mind, Combined with invisibility art. Not as great and the wizards version but still very good. A martial pixie still does have magery, its possible to pick up a spell or two someday.

Jareth Mooncalled:
Chi strikes are an intriguing idea, doing the 'setup attacker' route; stuns (Ki Shout), throws/trips/pushes, crippling/blinding strikes (Pressure Points), armor/shield/weapon breaking strikes (Breaking Blow+Power blow)...  That's a very interesting route that could work very, very well.  Instead of being a 'breach skirmisher' you're playing a 'crowd control specialist'.  On paper it sounds challenging but fun.


All very good insights. The Narrator and I are still figuring out how judo throws work when pixies attempt them on big folk. But knocking people prone would be amazing for damage output as well. Kiss the wall/carpet from MA. 118 combined with a Push chi strike sounds pretty painful, ST of attack equal to your Push skill? or figure the velocity of the push and treat as a fall hitting a hard surface. I'm hoping for the first option :)

I haven't managed to make breaking blow or power blow combat effective to date. The penalties are too stiff to use requiring too much time concentrating or an immense number of CP dropped into an IQ skill. The pixie however with its stealth and 3 yard step could charge up in the air out of reach and conceivably reach something distant when ready. Everyone protect the pixie while he charges up!

Jareth Mooncalled:
And because we're not rolling pure DFRPG, you can eventually pick up Lethal Strike for better damage on fleshy foes, possibly even Pressure Secrets for even more damage, or even such esoteric Chi abilities like Dim Mak or Soul Blast...


Yah, I forgot all about lethal strike. So much to pack into one little body. Gotta live long enough first. But roll with blow helps, chi based DR (tough skin). Definitely need to buy more HP.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2155 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 19:06
Re: Out of Character 9
Ginko Bitterpetal:
A good stealth score combined with -6 to their contest using observation to spot me is not quite as effective but still a situation most assassins could dream for.

Depending on how gwythaint is ruling it (and it's been two years so I've forgotten if I even asked) the Hide spell: "Vision roll is necessary to see a subject in plain sight".

So you can Stealth even if already spotted without having to Move to cover or if stuck in the open.  Then the spell helps to counter the Backstabbing In Plain Sight penalties.  It's a bit backwards how it works (penalizing enemies, reducing your penalties rather than providing a bonus to your Stealth), but it's a long lasting spell.

And it 'stacks' with Light Walk and Invisibility Art.  Rolling with all three is technically better than the Invisibility spell, just more complex and possibly more FP expensive...

quote:
A martial pixie still does have magery, its possible to pick up a spell or two someday.

Exactly and as a Fae you have an easier time talking gwythaint into the Charm Perk to ignore spell prereqs.

quote:
The Narrator and I are still figuring out how judo throws work when pixies attempt them on big folk.

By RAW?  There's a Murphy's Rule comic about that in Pyramid somewhere...

By RAW, there is nothing stopping a Pixie from tossing around Dragons.  Personally I like to house rule it that if the enemy could treat you like Encumbrance based on having ST double or more, they get a Quick Contest resistance to being thrown, their DX or ST (whichever is higher) plus the SM difference, versus your Judo or Sumo (or I guess Push) skill.  So it's still possible, but not easily guaranteed you're tossing Dragons from the sky.

quote:
But knocking people prone would be amazing for damage output as well. Kiss the wall/carpet from MA. 118 combined with a Push chi strike sounds pretty painful, ST of attack equal to your Push skill? or figure the velocity of the push and treat as a fall hitting a hard surface. I'm hoping for the first option :)

I wouldn't allow straight Push skill, but I could see using trained Push ST as damage from a Kiss The Wall attack, just as per Wrestling and Sumo.

quote:
I haven't managed to make breaking blow or power blow combat effective to date. The penalties are too stiff to use requiring too much time concentrating or an immense number of CP dropped into an IQ skill.
Power Blow is Will, so it's easier to get up there, but yeah Breaking Blow often ends up being the Martial Artist's 'lockpick'...

And hey, Ginko might be small enough to break locks from the inside.

quote:
But roll with blow helps, chi based DR (tough skin). Definitely need to buy more HP.

You might even be able to 'roll' upwards (at an angle anyway) to put yourself further out of reach of other enemies.
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 7 posts
 Pixie
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 19:24
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 784):

Jareth Mooncalled:
You might even be able to 'roll' upwards (at an angle anyway) to put yourself further out of reach of other enemies.


Lets hope I never need to Roll with Blow, because all it means if I'm using this skill is I'm trying to reduce the number of HT rolls needed to not die.

But as far as retreating is concerned, flying is awesome. You get a +1 to your retreat for changing plane, so I can retreat upwards or downwards one level and get +4. Also I can move diagonally, so I can take a step backwards 1 yard and change height by 1 yard for 1.5 move. So a flying 3 yard step can result in 4 yards of movement.

This message was last edited by the player at 19:26, Mon 26 Oct 2020.

Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 8 posts
 Pixie
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 22:07
Re: Out of Character 9
So how come there are so many players? Do people play more than one character at a time?
Oly
 player, 1261 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 22:34
Re: Out of Character 9
In reply to Ginko Bitterpetal (msg # 786):

Yes, some of us play quite a few, but try to keep just one in a thread, not always successfully.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1564 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 22:42
Re: Out of Character 9
I'm walking proof that Power Blow isn't very useful.  I misread it when I built this character -- that -10 skill without a long concentration makes it a non-combat ability.  I didn't take Breaking Blow -- first, because I put points into a wizard lens, and second because I thought Immovable Stance would be more useful.

In my defense, though I've been a GURPS fan since Man to Man came out in '86, it's really hard to find a GURPS group to play with -- most of the time I was in Seattle, without an hour commute, I was working second shift, so I could only play on a couple evenings -- and they weren't the ones folks played.  I've built more "in play" characters for this game than I did in the previous twenty years.

Which brings up that last question -- there are a bunch more characters than players.  I'm on the low side, and I've got Ardenas Barehand (martial arts plus Movement College magery), Mario Crowfoot the Archer (a "Junior" at 125 points), Chou-Zhen Mou the Elder Spawn wizard, Aldous Hack (more rogue than anything else, at only 75 points), and Evelina Grattan, Queen of the Frog God cult (with her Holy Sister Elaina as a 12-point Ally -- druid/priests).  These are all my own builds, but most of the folks with more than a couple characters have picked up abandoned sheets as the player roster has changed over time.

I've been playing for almost five and a half years, or about five weeks, depending on your point of view...
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2156 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Tue 27 Oct 2020
at 02:39
Re: Out of Character 9
Ardenas Barehand:
I'm walking proof that Power Blow isn't very useful.

Not on a starting Character, unless that's what you build for.  But I've played chambara style martial artists in the past where the -10 was easily absorbed in a 23+ skill.

What you have to look at with the Chi skills that have large usage penalties  (PB, Breaking Blow, Flying Leap, even Blind Fighting, Invis Art, and Kiai), is that you have to build around those penalties if you want it to be useful in combat.  Otherwise, you need to spend a turn or three prepping.  And even 1 turn (per 'instant' Chi skill you're using) can be enough as it drops those -10s to -5s.

But also consider this, Power Blow for 1 FP and 40 exp in the skill (to absorb the -10) can momentarily double your ST, that can easily be worth 100 or more exp.  And it gets "cheaper" per skill if you have lots of Chi skills and boost Chi Talent instead.  Though, Chi Talent is bloody expensive in it's own right depending on how you're built...



Frex, for Jednesa, Chi Talent is a pure waste of points.  She has one Chi skill (Power Blow*), and even if she buys any more, her style only has 4 of them and 3 are based on HT... which is cheaper to raise than Chi Talent.

But for Dilandua, who has 10 Chi skills, Chi Talent is a bargain.


* Someday gwythaint will put a door in our path that a ST 30 cannot defeat.  On that day, after several minutes of huffing and puffing, Jednesa will unleash ST 90 and even the God of Doors will feel it.  Literally, took Power Blow to get around the "stuck jar lid" problem, permanently.
Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 9 posts
 Pixie
Tue 27 Oct 2020
at 02:43
Re: Out of Character 9
As a martial artist character I am interested, how did you buy a style? was it after creation? I'm finding templates to be very stifling.
Jareth Mooncalled
 player, 2157 posts
 Dirty High Elf Sage
 HP 9/9 FP 10/10 PF 0/8
Tue 27 Oct 2020
at 03:38
Re: Out of Character 9
Ginko Bitterpetal:
As a martial artist character I am interested, how did you buy a style? was it after creation? I'm finding templates to be very stifling.

By largely treating Templates as "a guideline more than a rule"*.  But this was back before gwythaint decided to have everyone hew more strictly to Templates rather than going all willy-nilly as many were.  Even so I could have swung it under under Barbarian as all her primary Style skills are Barbarian skills†...  and she only has three off Template Skills, Power Blow, Meditation, and Singing so I could have picked those up with the 5 Quirk points.

And that's the key if you really want a Style.  Find one that fights inside the skill choices for the Template (or design one).  Most Styles have 3-6 point 'buy in', so cover those few skills and drop one of the five points from Quirks into "Perk: Style" and you have the Style.  Further 'Quirk points' can be spent in picking up a few techniques...  though be wary DFRPG doesn't do 'Techniques' and some have been converted into 5 point Advantages, so check to make sure you're not doubling up...

For instance, "Seven Secret Kicks" from the DFRPG Martial Artist Template, is literally;  Perk Special Exercises (Can Learn Kicking Technique) [1], Kicking Technique [3], Striking ST 2 (One Application Only - Kicks, -80%) [2], Perk Something Something‡ (Apply Chi Talent bonus to DX rolls to resist falls from Kicks) [1].  (Though to be fair, this is the only one I can think of in DFRPG, the others are in DF and are spelled out as Techniques adapted into Advantages.)




* Which is more telling about how she gets to ST 30 and DR 10/12 Tough Skin than how she picked up a couple of 'off-template' skills.  Jednesa is a "terrible Barbarian" in the 'Outdoorsman' sense, but just fine in the 'high ST, mountain of meat' sense.  She is fundamentally Ginko's exact opposite.  All durability and damage dealing, very little finesse.

† If I were going to rebuild her it would be using the 'DF' Wrestler Template out of Pyramid magazine.  She'd lose some ST, HP, and DR, but gain in actual skills... also her strikes and grabs would count as weapon attacks which would make Wight fighting a bit easier for her to do in the manner of her preference.

‡ Skill Adaptation or Attribute Substitution or whatever.  I honestly have no idea what Perk Kromm (Sean Punch) used here or even if my build is how he did it.  It just 'looks right' based on the builds in DF.

This message was last edited by the player at 03:40, Tue 27 Oct 2020.

Ginko Bitterpetal
 player, 10 posts
 Pixie
Tue 27 Oct 2020
at 03:44
Re: Out of Character 9
Yah I tried to make my arms strikers but GM shut that idea down. Probably one of my largest hurdles is getting around my unarmed attacks. I picked up two levels of huge weapons perk and with a modified grip I can use SM-3 weapons without penalty (which don't appear to exist as t