+19 cf = 20x standard price?  Got it.

Jeeze Ardens, you are the worst influence to have around kids, a throwing star!  Are you hoping he puts his sister's eye out?

:P  I had throwing knives and stars and a rifle and bows and arrows at just a few years older than this kid, I'm sure it'll be fine.

And I love how Andre immediately goes with "I didn't steal it!"  You know he's stolen stuff and been punished for it, kids got a great future in the Adventurer's Guild...

I got a (very sharp, because my dad had sharpened it up) pocket knife in my Christmas stocking when I was eight or nine, had already learned to shoot the family .22 rifle and air rifle, used the camp axe on a regular basis -- and still have all my fingers and toes.  I could also fill, pump, and light the gasoline camp stove, and mow the lawn with a rotary mower before I was nine (though I knew a girl not long after that who'd lost three toes in a lawnmower accident).  Kids in a less sheltered society than what we have now are (im)perfectly capable of not hurting themselves or each other with tools like a shuriken.

In truth, Andre will probably cut himself (without permanent injury) a couple times and get punished for marking up walls and door posts inside their home more than once before he learns how to handle it, but at his age, he'd have been doing that with a knife within the next year anyway.  Chances of permanent injury (loss of finger or eye, visible scarring, or death), to himself or others, I'd put at no worse than one in 20.

For the benefit of possibly turning his life around, it seems a reasonable risk.

Yep, a different breed than kids these days. Had a 6" buck knife when I was 6. Shooting .22 at 7. My mother razor tipped my arrows at 7. I lived in Alaska at the time. My parents never knew where I was when I played outside and ran around the forest all day. She drew the line at letting me go with her boyfriend by pontoon plane unto the wild to go bear hunting. I was pissed.

In reply to Ginko Bitterpetal (msg # 891):

Be catching up maybe Sunday

In reply to Narrator (msg # 892):

Aine would be open to loaning money if someone wants a new Balanced, Fine Silver tipped spear, which would cost $1040 (CF +19 for silver, +2 for fine, imp only, +4 for balanced).

Silver inlaid and a spell against undead would be better, but the enchanting costs could be exorbitant.

In reply to Thorg (msg # 894):

Could be? Certainly would be!

There is always the Balanced, Silver coated Aspergillum Mace with a long shaft,
7.5 lbs, sw+4 dam, $575, can be filled with a vial of holy water!, ST12

or Balanced, Fine Silver Aspergillum Small Mace with a long shaft,
4.5 lbs, sw+3 dam, $997.5, range 2, can be filled with a vial of holy water!, ST11

Not sure how to Find ST from the new weight...there is nothing in Basic about this.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:52, Sat 12 Dec 2020.

Low-Tech Companion 2 Weapons and Warriors pg 15 is here to rescue you.  If those are the weapon's weights after the Long Handle is applied, then their Minimum STs are 11 and 12 respectively.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 896):

I thought we were not using Low tech? The above has been edited with the ST in that case...

Some of the weapon and armor options that are approved come from the Low-Tech series... and those are the only rules that deal with weapon Minimum ST changes due to weight (I'll try to remember to [add] them to the weapon options post tomorrow).  The only other rules I know are for weapon scaling, and those are also from Low-Tech Companion 2 Weapons and Warriors (and duplicated in DF Denizens Barbarians for SM +1 through SM +3).
This message was last edited by the player at 15:22, Sun 13 Dec 2020.

Neat, but confusing... Thorg wants to add silver inlay and perhaps a Bane (Undead) spell to his spear ... MAGIC makes it seem easy and inexpensive, but I know better.  A silver coin or two should provide enough silver, inlaying it is the hard part... and then enchanting it with Bane.

So you want a Silver Inlay (Cheap, Minimal +2.5 CF or Cheap, Extensive +4 CF) ... or do you want Silver Plate (+2CF)?  The difference is minimal cost, but vastly different book effects, one gives a Reaction Bonus when you sell it (Inlay), the other does "Silver damage" if you strike creatures that have a Weakness or Vulnerability to Silver (Silver Plate).  Or, you can do both, take some form of Relief (Minimal +1.5 CF or Extensive +4 CF) and then Silver Plate it (total +6 CF, if you're looking to turn your spear into a Power or Endurance Item, which you probably aren't).

I"m pretty sure if you go for Cheap, Minimal Inlay on certain weapons, gwythaint treats it as Silver Plate (frex Chye's nunchuku).  But I'm not sure that'll fly with a spear.  Personally, say the head was Plated, the haft was Inlay, but that's me, I ain't the GM (I just really know the rules well).

So, for a regular spear (30$) you're looking at an outlay of +60 to 75 clams.



What's harder is the Bane.  What enchantment is coming after the Bane?  Because Bane is not an Enchantment that is used by itself.  It's a Limiting Enchantment, it limits other Enchantments.

All "Bane (Undead)" says is "whatever other enchantments I have on this spear that were affected by the Bane, only work against Undead."

I presume you want Puissance+1 vs Undead?  If so... here's how it would work if gwythaint allows* it...

Bane itself costs 2,000$.  It then reduces the cost of Puissance +1 from 5k$ to 1,667$.

So "Undead Slaying +1" on your spear will cost 3,667$  Note, if you ever want to make it stronger, Bane needs to be cast again along with the new Enchantments.  So it's much cheaper (if you eventually want a bunch of enchants on it) to save up and go big all at once, so Bane only has to be cast the once.  But even so, doing the enchantments piecemeal will still save a good chunk of change.



* Note, Bane is removed from DFRPG as it makes it simpler on the GM, gwythaint however allows almost everything from base GURPS, DF, and GURPS Magic (within limits).  He allows the other books too, but those are teh ones that mostly impact magic Items (and of course DFRPG Magic Items)

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 900):

Looking at the big bucks for magic weapons, and the lack of need just yet (silver is cheaper and works as far as Aine knows) you are going to have to find some other sponsor...preferably with lots of bucks!

Adding in balanced and fine for those costs makes a lot of sense too...if you are ponying up big bucks for magic, at least get the best item you can without magic to put the enchantment on!

No chance we have $3k + anywhere, so silver plating and maybe making it better quality is doable ... obviously we want to deal with undead and this wight... I suppose we could put a holy water spritzer on the point too... ;-)

In reply to Thorg (msg # 902):

You need a mace for that, and blunt weapons do better against skeletal undead such as wights...see above for the suggestion...

The butt of the spear is blunt... it is little better than the pokey end, if you don;t use it like a staff and swing it.  It isn't that "blunt does better", it's that blunt tends to do an additional point or two of damage and impaling and cutting weapons don't get their injury modifiers... so blunt does a point or two more damage.

I mean, flip the spear around and swing it like a staff and it's better than a mace, 1 less damage, but Reach 1,2 and you get the Staff Parry bonus, you're just at Spear -2 to your skill if you don't have the Staff skill.  And I strongly recommend buying Staff up from default if you really plan to be a Spear fighter, unless you're a spear and shield fighter, than carry on.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 904):

That, plus the "Vulnerability (Crushing Attacks x2) that skeletons and their kin are reknown for...putting oil in it and lighting it can help with mummies, too, but we have not seen any of them yet...probably too many fire mages around.

Hmmm.  I'd forgotten about that as Vulnerability (Crushing) is inconsistently applied across skeletal mobs in GURPS... so be wary.  Liches and skeletons have it, but Horrid Skulls, Wights, and most others do not.

Mumies are not vulnerable to fire, Druag however are... so that may be where that rumor started.

Though... Undead Trolls might.  Probably do.  There ya go, my one good dead for the day, giving gwythaint the idea to use Undead Trolls.  Undead Vampiric Were-Troll Liches...

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 906):

Lol, you forget Mummies are combustible, though! They do burn to death...

Everything burns to death if not immune to fire... but Mummies have no Vulnerability (Fire).  And if you're pouring oil on them... well...

Oh hang on, you're referring to the Aspergillum, "pouring oil in it".  I wouldn't do that.  The reason no one cares if the Aspergillum wielder is swinging around a sprinkler full of Holy Water is most PCs aren't damaged by Holy Water, and it won't catch on fire, and when some of it splashes on you, Holy Water won't burn you (hopefully not!).  Oil on the other hand will get everywhere (just like the Holy Water) and is way more dangerous, especially when your mage starts tossing around fireballs.




Hah, I went to add the Weapon ST Calculation Chart to the Weapon Options post and it was already in there.  I should have remembered.

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Ok most of these suggestions involve special orders that end up costing time. Barely a month game time has gone down (some groups are on day 5) say, 2-3 weeks.

Buying a new, silvered spear that can affect things with achilies heel/i jury tolerance to non silver items would cost 5x the base price.

Wights are built from the skeletal template, so crushing is more effective,
But, use of this info requires either direct observation or a successful  undead lore roll.

Razakeel at the guild would gladly discus this for a silver piece.

Scrou gi g might be needed to find someo e selling silvered weapons without having to wait.(it also would help you find used cheapnormal weapons, or most general gear...without much cost (ie theft of unattended items)

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 904):

Yup, 75 point Spear and Shield fighter... some Spears can also cut, historically. Don't need anything fancy, just an edge on both sides of the blade.
He does have the Short sword skill (like most spearmen)  but little else...

So to get his spear blade silver plated would be $150?
It would help somewhat against the wight?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:08, Sun 13 Dec 2020.

This message was deleted by the player at 00:21, Mon 14 Dec 2020.

In GURPS Martial Arts that's a Tip Slash.  All impaling weapons can Tip Slash at their regular thrust damage -2, or -1 if they're a "broad edged spear"*, so a regular Spear does thr+1 cutting one-handed or thr+2 cutting 2 handed, this counts as a swing for space constriction purposes, but uses thrust damage.  No skill penalties.


* There is no difference in price, just assume all spears unless otherwise specified are broad edged.

Another reason my Spear Fencer uses spears, they can "taste the rainbow" of damage types.  Now Dilandua just needs to get the spears silvered and enchanted.  Literally the cheapest gear on the character, while being the most important.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:39, Mon 14 Dec 2020.