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Out of Character 10.

Posted by NarratorFor group archive 0
Christine Bjorn
player, 2217 posts
Blue Haired Elf
HP: 7/9, FP: 11/15
Sat 5 Mar 2022
at 04:31
  • msg #942

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Amelia Montaigne (msg # 941):

Ditto. Condolences.
Narrator
GM, 10034 posts
DM says
roll for initiative!
Sat 5 Mar 2022
at 16:59
  • msg #943

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Amelia Montaigne (msg # 941):

The wake was phenomenal,  as the man was well lovrd. Friens, family, and thirty years worth of coworkers turned out to celebrate him.
Amelia Montaigne
player, 214 posts
Agent about town
Sat 5 Mar 2022
at 17:26
  • msg #944

Re: Out of Character 10

Well that's really nice. He shoukld rest well after that!
Narrator
GM, 10044 posts
DM says
roll for initiative!
Sun 6 Mar 2022
at 17:22
  • msg #945

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Amelia Montaigne (msg # 944):

for those interested in the story of Estrevan the lich, the saga unfolds thusly: (at least as far as I could tell, it may have an earlier start

page 7 Time for a Beating
page 6 Robbing Kalvo
page 6 Recruitment Drive
page 6 The Contract... this is group A
page 5 On the Road to Shevnia
Page 5 In Shevnia
Page 4 In the Lich's Tomb
Page 3 The Way Home From Shevnia
Page 3 Returned from Shevnia

this was part of one of the first adventures I had planned for this setting when I started writing it in 2002, although a lot developed organicly starting around 2014.
The book The Giant U der The Snow was an influence...
Hannatti
player, 249 posts
Noble Errant
HP13/13, FP13/13
Sun 6 Mar 2022
at 17:29
  • msg #946

Re: Out of Character 10

Thanks, I'll enjoy reading that.

I just realised that's twenty years ago. Wow!
This message was last edited by the player at 17:29, Sun 06 Mar 2022.
Narrator
GM, 10045 posts
DM says
roll for initiative!
Sun 6 Mar 2022
at 17:46
  • msg #947

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Hannatti (msg # 946):

somewhere I have a little notebook with loose pages that I wrote it on...I ran a quick dungeon crawl using GURPS 3e on this site's predecessor,  Playbyweb; many of the hierarchical npc's of the guild were there...
Jareth Mooncalled
player, 2551 posts
High Elf Sage
HP 9/9 FP 1/10 PF 0/8
Sun 6 Mar 2022
at 19:29
  • msg #948

Re: Out of Character 10

Narrator:
The book The Giant U der The Snow was an influence...
Interesting sounding story, has some strong Nordic and Scot/Irish roots in it.  I'll have to see if I can find the original version, I hate unnecessary "modern updating" to works.
Narrator
GM, 10048 posts
DM says
roll for initiative!
Mon 7 Mar 2022
at 18:14
  • msg #949

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 948):

it was witten in the 60s as a YA adventure storry based on discoveries of ship burials and bog mummies along with the chalk giant. One of my favorite stories.
Rethus
NPC, 21 posts
Handsome stranger
Mon 7 Mar 2022
at 18:28
  • msg #950

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Narrator (msg # 949):

"Torture definitely falls under the category of 'Evil' and we rarely enter into contracts with this sort, as they fall to our lot without such insurances."
Aoife
player, 881 posts
Leprechaun of Cerrunos
HP: 4/4, FP: 4/12
Mon 7 Mar 2022
at 19:02
  • msg #951

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Rethus (msg # 950):

Aoife has no intention of torturing him. She wants the rats to finish him off...she tried other methods but they did not work.Death by rats may be slow, but it is sure.

Bad Temper would do that to someone who threw a rat at her...
Chye Isuel
player, 1957 posts
Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
Dragon descended, Youxia
Mon 7 Mar 2022
at 19:44
  • msg #952

Re: Out of Character 10

lol that sounds like bloodlust, callous, or at least quirk "ruthless".
Benny Morales
player, 119 posts
Hermetic Envoy
HP 8/10 FP 8/12 PF 13
Mon 7 Mar 2022
at 20:12
  • msg #953

Re: Out of Character 10

Aoife:
Aoife has no intention of torturing him. She wants the rats to finish him off...she tried other methods but they did not work.Death by rats may be slow, but it is sure.

Bad Temper would do that to someone who threw a rat at her...

Just a heads up to our GM (and Aoife), this will become Player versus Player if Aoife continues attempting to murder someone who does not deserve to be murdered...  not sure how you want to handle it at that point.

For now, Benny is pretty sure he (and others hopefully) can deal with the rats, so if that's the end of it, that's the end of it.  But this is a warning from the Player, if Aoife attacks again (because the rat threat is ended), Benny will have to take actions to stop her from being able to cause further injury to/murder someone Benny considers undeserving of murder.
Aoife
player, 882 posts
Leprechaun of Cerrunos
HP: 4/4, FP: 4/12
Mon 7 Mar 2022
at 20:47
  • msg #954

Re: Out of Character 10

In reply to Benny Morales (msg # 953):

Aoife has no intention of attacking again. In case you missed it, this is a bad tempered response to someone throwing a rat at her. You have heard it said that if you loose your temper with folk, it is as bad as wanting them dead.

She will get over her rage and may regret it. Or not. I have known folk without Bloodlust or callous who would respond in that way IRL, so while many sound suitably horrified, I bet half the players here would respond in a similar fashion if they could and a frustrating idiot who sold his soul to the devil threw a rat in their hair!

Before you respond with self-righteous fury and throw verbal rats at me, remember the words of my Psychiatrist "When you hear of someone doing something horrible, think to yourself 'I did not know I could do that'".
Benny Morales
player, 120 posts
Hermetic Envoy
HP 8/10 FP 8/12 PF 13
Tue 8 Mar 2022
at 00:03
  • msg #955

Re: Out of Character 10

Aoife:
Aoife has no intention of attacking again.

Then hopefully the lucky fool doesn't die from rats before they can be dealt with...

quote:
In case you missed it, this is a bad tempered response to someone throwing a rat at her.

I caught it, as did Benny.

quote:
You have heard it said that if you loose your temper with folk, it is as bad as wanting them dead.

Nope, never heard that saying.  I do know what having a Bad Temper is like, but no, I never wanted anyone dead*... beaten until they stopped moving, yeah, but not to death.  But then I'm not a 1 foot tall female Leprechaun with magic... so my "snap" and then "punch them till I'm not angry anymore" was a bit more direct and less lethal.

* Due to having a temper anyway.  The cold fury one can generate over time for another is a different story though.

quote:
I bet half the players here would respond in a similar fashion if they could and a frustrating idiot who sold his soul to the devil threw a rat in their hair!

Can't speak for them, but only one of my Characters would act that way (and Ülo would use acid if they need to die, lightning or destroy air if it's just a warning shot, [sarcasm]because that's not lethal at all...[/sarcasm] to trolls).


I dealt with my anger issues a long, long, long time ago.

quote:
Before you respond with self-righteous fury and throw verbal rats at me...

I (the Player) haven't and wouldn't.  Benny however...

quote:
...remember the words of my Psychiatrist "When you hear of someone doing something horrible, think to yourself 'I did not know I could do that'".

Thankfully Benny doesn't know your therapist, and never met mine, so he's free to be completely judgmental...
Oly
player, 1345 posts
Badly disfigured face
Rank 2 Guild badge
Tue 8 Mar 2022
at 00:14
  • msg #956

Re: Out of Character 10

Red Haired irish woman ... sounds explosive to me.  Being way short may add more attitude on top of that.
Chye Isuel
player, 1958 posts
Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
Dragon descended, Youxia
Tue 8 Mar 2022
at 11:13
  • msg #957

Re: Out of Character 10

Hermes was always one of my favorite greco/roman gods.
He embodied chaotic goodness, and as far as the capricious and dangerous gods, he could be counted as a true benefactor for mankind, much like Prometheus.
He was against undead, because he saw the dead to their destinations in the underworld, or to the elisyian fields.
*we're almost at our limit, for this thread*
This message was last edited by the player at 11:14, Tue 08 Mar 2022.
Jareth Mooncalled
player, 2555 posts
High Elf Sage
HP 9/9 FP 1/10 PF 0/8
Tue 8 Mar 2022
at 17:05
  • msg #958

Re: Out of Character 10

Chye Isuel:
Hermes was always one of my favorite greco/roman gods.
He embodied chaotic goodness, and as far as the capricious and dangerous gods, he could be counted as a true benefactor for mankind, much like Prometheus.
He was against undead, because he saw the dead to their destinations in the underworld, or to the elisyian fields.

My fav was always either Hephaestus or Athena...  but there is a reason I chose Hermes for Benny.

Hermes is a liar who Heralds the Word of the Gods, a thief who shepherds his half-brother's herds, the guide who occasionally (deliberately) gets people lost, and the only conman to con his way into a seat at the Table of the Gods.  As a lark he created money to destabilize the aristocrats, has no regard for borders (he can freely cross all borders without repercussions), shields his Father's trysts from his Stepmother....  basically he's anti-establishment.

But if you read deep enough into his stories, I wouldn't call him "good" or even "chaotic", there is a distinct pattern to his rule flouting (anti-establishment or his own betterment) and while he takes no delight in harming others, he (like most Greek gods) has no concern for those he hurts (the victims of his thefts, cons, and disruptions... which are usually talking animals or nobles).  And yes, he does delight in aiding the underdog.

quote:
*we're almost at our limit, for this thread*

Say it loud and say it proud;

GM we're nearing this thread's threshold!  I dinnay know if she take much more Captain!  IT'S OVER 900!!! /breaksscouter.gif
Aoife
player, 883 posts
Leprechaun of Cerrunos
HP: 4/4, FP: 4/12
Tue 8 Mar 2022
at 19:29
  • msg #959

Re: Out of Character 10

Ah go on! There is always room for one more intsy Wincy little bite...
Ardenas Barehand
player, 1802 posts
Human martial artist with
a few spells on the side.
Tue 8 Mar 2022
at 23:30
  • msg #960

Re: Out of Character 10

Jareth Mooncalled:
Hermes is a liar who Heralds the Word of the Gods, a thief who shepherds his half-brother's herds, the guide who occasionally (deliberately) gets people lost, and the only conman to con his way into a seat at the Table of the Gods.  As a lark he created money to destabilize the aristocrats, has no regard for borders (he can freely cross all borders without repercussions), shields his Father's trysts from his Stepmother....  basically he's anti-establishment.

But if you read deep enough into his stories, I wouldn't call him "good" or even "chaotic", there is a distinct pattern to his rule flouting (anti-establishment or his own betterment) and while he takes no delight in harming others, he (like most Greek gods) has no concern for those he hurts (the victims of his thefts, cons, and disruptions... which are usually talking animals or nobles).  And yes, he does delight in aiding the underdog.


Except for aiding underdogs, that reminds me a lot of Loki...
Jareth Mooncalled
player, 2556 posts
High Elf Sage
HP 9/9 FP 1/10 PF 0/8
Wed 9 Mar 2022
at 04:44
  • msg #961

Re: Out of Character 10

Ardenas Barehand:
Except for aiding underdogs, that reminds me a lot of Loki...

That and Loki isn't a psychopomp, and Loki was more directly antagonistic and causes the downfall of the Aesir (Norse Gods), individually and collectively (more "kinda" on the 'collectively' side, he's a big ally of the enemies of Ásgarðr, Vanaheimr, Álfheimr, and Miðgarðr, but mostly just sets shit in motion that leads to Ragnarök, and he never actually kills anyone himself, but again, sets shit in motion).

Hermes/Mercury is more "pranksterish" and never does anything long term "bad" in his pranks on the Olympians, and there is always a pay-off intended for him (and usually his victim, which is why he keeps getting away with it).

Frex, he steals Apollo's cattle to prove Apollo can't watch over herds and herdsmen (one of Apollo's 'previous' jobs), and to get an audience before the Gods.  When accused of the theft he admits it boldly, but says he'll only return the herd if he is made the God of Herdsmen and offers to gift Apollo with the lyre he made as repayment of his theft, the "first non-harp" stringed instrument ever created (Apollo being the muse of music was covetous of Hermes lyre - which was made from body parts of animals he'd conned out of... IRCC none of the talking animals survived the exchange, so that's where he's less than caring about his victims).

And thus would be given a seat at the table, as only one Greco-Roman God is chthonic†, and to be able to watch all the herds, he'd have to be on Olypmus, so...  Hermes was elevated from "half-god" to full god.


† Okay, technically there are two‡ chthonics, Persephone (aka Proserpina/Libera in Rome) goes back and forth, and when she is in the Underworld she is chthonic, so sacrifices are made to her in a pit and buried rather than on a raised altar and burned.

Okay, technically technically there are a shite load of chthonics, but of the major gods, the important ones, only two are chthonic.  The other chthonic gods are minor gods and usually non-Greco-Roman, like the Etruscan goddess Culsu who is one of two Etruscan deities that guard the Underworld....

And with that I'll stop with the lore dump.
Ardenas Barehand
player, 1803 posts
Human martial artist with
a few spells on the side.
Wed 9 Mar 2022
at 10:04
  • msg #962

Re: Out of Character 10

(Nods.

Goes and looks up words I've read before, but just skimmed over in context.

Nods again.  Blinks.)


Those ancients had way too much time on their hands.  Why weren't they inventing useful stuff instead of making up crazy stories?  ;)

(Reaches for Kindle with Fantasy novel cued up.)

Hey, boss, we're in the 960s now.
Virgilio Hohlfeld
player, 143 posts
Apprentice wizard
Tall and very thin
Wed 9 Mar 2022
at 10:15
  • msg #963

Re: Out of Character 10

Say, it just occurred to me -- Luck with a pretty tight limitation should be a fairly inexpensive advantage.  It's 15 cp when applicable to any roll, once per table hour (a time frame that still isn't well defined at our "table").  If it were applicable only in narrowly limited circumstances, say against critical spell failures, it seems like it might be as little as 5 cp.

Might be a potential quest, to search for a rumored or legendary amulet with such a quality.

Wish I'd thought of it during character build...
Chye Isuel
player, 1959 posts
Osu! Ora Chye Iseul!
Dragon descended, Youxia
Wed 9 Mar 2022
at 13:51
  • msg #964

Re: Out of Character 10

they had too much time on their hands, on account of styx. *bad-um ting!*
Jareth Mooncalled
player, 2557 posts
High Elf Sage
HP 9/9 FP 1/10 PF 0/8
Wed 9 Mar 2022
at 21:07
  • msg #965

Re: Out of Character 10

Virgilio Hohlfeld:
Say, it just occurred to me -- Luck with a pretty tight limitation should be a fairly inexpensive advantage.  It's 15 cp when applicable to any roll, once per table hour (a time frame that still isn't well defined at our "table").  If it were applicable only in narrowly limited circumstances, say against critical spell failures, it seems like it might be as little as 5 cp.

That's not a good Advantage Build considering there are canonical methods that are more expensive:

Magery Enhancement:  Stable Casting +40%
Whenever you roll a critical failure with a spell, you can try to “stabilize” the magic by making an immediate second roll against the spell skill, without range penalties but with all other applicable modifiers. Success turns the result into a normal failure.
This cannot be combined with the Radically Unstable Magery limitation (p. 26).

There is also a Perk, which is cheaper, but may end up more expensive than "5 points" overall:

Stabilizing Skill†: You can use a particular mundane skill – set by the GM – to avert critical failures with the spells
of one college, as per Skills to Salvage Critical Failures (Thaumatology, p. 40). Specialties must name both skill and college; e.g., Stabilizing Skill (Meteorology for Weather spells). See Elemental Styles (pp. 4-5) for skills suited to each college. Mages who suffer from Radically Unstable Magery (Thaumatology, p. 26) cannot have this perk.
Prerequisite: Relevant skill at 15+.

-- Note, no matter how high your Stabilizing Skill is, it counts as maximum 15 for stabilization purposes. --


Technically, you don't suffer from "Radically Unstable Magery" so you can go those routes... technically...



And lastly, any Luck build for averting Magical Critical Failures should be Luck [9] (Critical Failure Only, -30%; College Specific, -10%) or maybe Luck [5] (Critical Failure Only, -30%; Spell Specific, -40%)... or even maybe Luck [10] (Critical Failure Only, -30%).  Further limiting it to only "Critical Spell Failure" should only be another -10% or -20%, because when you look at the Character, where is it going to most apply?  Critical Skill Failure in combat?  No, you'd probably hold it for your spell casting, so it's not going to be really useful to you aside from avert spell catastrophes.  And yes, that has to be taken into consideration when building custom Advantages and Disadvantages.  And as a GM I'd hesitate to allow that last build, especially on a character built with Mana Enhancer, as that drawback is why Mana Enhancer isn't a lot more expensive.




Why is "Critical Failure Only" at -30%?  Because it's really only limiting the Advantage at worst by 80%, but in practice, by about 50-60%.  "19%-31% effective" as an Accessibility Limitation is -30%.  I'd even look at knocking that down to -20%, but GURPS has a bit of "pentaphilia" built into it, and Luck (Critical Failures Only) at 10 "feels" better than it being at 12, so I'd only adjust the Limitation down to -20 or -15% if I were tacking something extra on, like "Costs FP -5%/lvl" (and mostly just to get it to round to 10).

Also Daredevil is a "Critical Failures Only" Luck+Higher Purpose rebuild, Daredevil [15] (Luck [10] (15; Critical Failures Only, -30%), Higher Purpose [5] (Daredevil Behavior))... so, Critical Failures Only at 10 points is kinda canonical (if you squint at it).


But honestly, 'Luck Build" isn't the direction I'd go as a GM, I'd aim the Player at Perks as 1) it's a canon build and option, 2) Perks have a limiter, and 3) Perks are how a number of other characters have been handle so far in the game...  (and as a GM I've really taken a shine to using Perks to resolve "low cost Advantages" rather than overly complicated builds trying to eke out every last Limitation...)

Why am I not lining "College Specific" up with "One College Only" and "Spell Specific" with "One Skill"?  Because One College Only is exclusionary, you can never buy another version of an Advantage with One College Only, however the lowest value of "Limited Colleges" is -10%.  Similarly, One Skill Only was priced at altering a combat Advantage*, so the necessary skill listing is rather short, however the list of possible spells is quite large, so it deserves a boost.

When weighting Enhancements and Limitations in GURPS is a bit holistic, you can't just look at percentages in a vacuum, some were designed with very focused utility in mind, and that has to be taken into account.


* Yes, I know it's started cropping up everywhere, but if you look at the Advantage and the list of possible skills that Advantage could apply to when it's somewhere other than "Extra Attack", the list of skills tends to be rather constrained.
Narrator
GM, 10052 posts
DM says
roll for initiative!
Wed 9 Mar 2022
at 22:08
  • msg #966

Re: Out of Character 10

resume shenanigans in OCC11
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