leavetaking.   Posted by Narrator.Group: 0
Hannatti
 player, 465 posts
 Noble Errant
 HP13/13, FP13/13
Wed 14 Dec 2022
at 00:36
Re: leavetaking
You're very welcome!
Good luck

Maybe let me know how it goes?
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1931 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 14 Dec 2022
at 09:47
Re: leavetaking
I'll update here.  Gotta dig up that cord...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1939 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 26 Dec 2022
at 23:10
Re: leavetaking
Okay, it wasn't the power cord; I'm currently running a new power supply with the same old power cord (because it's a PITA to crawl under my desk to thread a new one to the UPS).

And for future reference, the only practical difference between a 500W and 700W power supply is number of 12V accessory connectors.  Each one of those connectors has the same current limit, so if you haven't upgraded your motherboard, video card, or case fan (that runs on direct power supply connection, unlike mine that piggybacks on an old school hard disk power connector), there's nothing gained by going to a higher rated power supply vs. the old one (if it failed, it was probably just component aging or power condition related component damage -- in my case, the dead one had run almost continuously for about six years since my last hardware rebuild, three or four of those years before I got a UPS).

Anyway, the machine is back up; after installing the power supply I had to rerun the Kubuntu 22.04 installer (three times, as it turned out; something damaged my boot loader, then Boot Repair erased a bunch of stuff so I reinstalled to be sure I wasn't missing anything critical, and both of those times I had the wrong username so my old desktop settings and such weren't picked up).

But now I have everything working, my SeaMonkey bookmarks were preserved (meaning that config file, at least, wasn't harmed), and I've gotten critical items reinstalled.  I'll probably be finding and reinstalling third party software I need for the next several weeks, depending how frequently I use a particular package, but the core is done.
Hannatti
 player, 472 posts
 Noble Errant
 HP13/13, FP13/13
Mon 26 Dec 2022
at 23:34
Re: leavetaking
Sounds like a good job done well. Congrats!!
Christine Bjorn
 player, 2383 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 HP: 9/9, FP: 3/15
Tue 27 Dec 2022
at 01:23
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 238):

Job well done!
Narrator
 GM, 11177 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 27 Dec 2022
at 16:00
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 240):

impressive and beyond my skillset!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1941 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 28 Dec 2022
at 00:31
Re: leavetaking
Honestly, every time I upgrade this, it borders on exceeding my skillset.  Linux isn't really designed for "users" as much as for "gurus" and it doesn't hold your hand the way Windows does.  Then again, it doesn't look over your shoulder the way Windows might, or decide it knows better than you how you want your computer to look or act (like both Windows and Mac do).

And yet, somehow, every time I ask for advice on why the upgrade doesn't work, all I get is "it works perfectly if you only use software in the Ubuntu repositories" followed by "well, if you choose to use software from third parties, it's up to you to determine if it'll work."  Also, "the upgrader is tested to be flawless with only repository packages."

Near as I can figure, every one of these individualists is just like the next; none of them use, say, Vuescan to get images from film to hard disk, or want/need the newest version of Skype instead of the one supplied by the repositories (which in the past has gotten so far out of date before the OS loses support that it can't even log in).

Which is to say, this is more like driving an old farm truck that requires significant banging stuff under the hood with a hammer, than like even driving a reasonably new Ford, never mind a brand new Lexus.
Christine Bjorn
 player, 2385 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 HP: 9/9, FP: 3/15
Wed 28 Dec 2022
at 01:45
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 242):

Linux systems are all the same so much more stable when you get it right though.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1943 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 28 Dec 2022
at 10:10
Re: leavetaking
But they aren't "all the same".  Even the clones use different apps, one guy writes novels and has Organon installed, another guy does a lot of digital art so has Inkscape as well as GIMP (from a Snap, because the one in the repo is years out of date), or runs a VM with a cracked Windows 10/11 inside to be able to use a pirated copy of Photoshop.

"We can't test against every third party app, we don't have the resources Microsoft has and can't control what you're allowed to install like Apple tries to."

Hell, they even make it near impossible for someone who isn't a developer to file a bug report, asking for details like system logs I don't even know where to find (instead of automating that as part of the automatic crash reporter -- which asks for the same things).

Sometimes it seems like Canonical is trying to create a closed ecosystem like MacOS or iOS -- and completely failing at it.  Other times, it seems like the Wild West and my Peacemaker has just jammed up from too much powder fouling on the pivot pin...
Christine Bjorn
 player, 2386 posts
 Blue Haired Elf
 HP: 9/9, FP: 3/15
Wed 28 Dec 2022
at 10:56
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 244):

Pretty sure Linux still has programs, not apps...but software is unique for all computers. Even Mac systems have different software...

As I remember, Mac and Windows just crashed, and did not bother sending a bug report half the time. With Linux, just reboot, and you are good to go...the autosave does most of the rest. I don't want to talk about the hours and days lost on Microsoft machines because a crash locked me out of the backup forever...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1944 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 28 Dec 2022
at 23:52
Re: leavetaking
I made the decision to abandon Windows when XP was still "supported" but after I had to remove the FBI Moneypak malware a second time.  I actually made the jump after determining that my (then) one "killer app", the client for There.com, could be installed and run well under Wine (there never was an official There client for any platform except Windows).  Since I'm not much of a gamer, other games not running well on Linux wasn't ever a big deal, and now most Steam games can run under Steam's Proton flavor of Wine even if they don't have an actual Linux version.

I've never really taken to VMs, though.  If I can't run it natively in Kubuntu, I probably won't bother.  Hence I haven't played another game from Cyan Worlds since Uru (which does/did run well under Wine).  I've also never really mastered the process of figuring out what Winetricks are needed to make a Windows app run well, so I pretty well stick to stuff that's been tested and the tricks worked out -- but again, since I'm not much of a "gamer" it rarely matters to me.

On the other hand, Vuescan (controls my Epson scanner, for which there has never been Linux software from Epson) is critical, along with GIMP and sometimes Inkscape.  Also GCS, but I've already got that up and running (along with full access to my character sheets again).

Semantically, "app" is short for "application" which every operating system has -- and to paraphrase grade school geometry, every application is a program, but not all programs are applications.
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1945 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Sat 31 Dec 2022
at 21:18
Re: leavetaking
Well, there's no question now that I have a hardware problem; I was getting well along in restoring my preferred setup (slightly modified by stuff that was changed or eliminated in the new Kubuntu version), and then this morning the computer started spontaneously restarting.  I thought it was a thermal problem, so I throttled my BOINC distributed computing tasks, and when the problem recurred again, I unplugged everything external to the tower, hauled it out on the front porch, and used a dog dryer to blow (almost) all the dust out of it.

After which it wouldn't start; the front panel power light and graphics card show-off lighting comes on, the fans run, and the platter hard drive spins up (I can hear it), but POST doesn't complete.

I suspect either the new power supply is defective (unlikely, but possible) or the six year old motherboard has crapped out.  Not looking forward to $500 or more to replace MB, CPU, CPU cooler, and RAM (RAM may not need replaced if the new MB can used DDR3 1600).  Unfortunately, I have no way to test whether it's MB or power supply other than replace stuff until it works.

So, I'll be back on the laptop for, at a guess, at least a week.
Hannatti
 player, 473 posts
 Noble Errant
 HP13/13, FP13/13
Sat 31 Dec 2022
at 21:21
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 247):
Ouch! poor you
Oly
 player, 1408 posts
 Badly disfigured face
 Rank 2 Guild badge
Sat 31 Dec 2022
at 21:51
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 247):

Is there a shop around that can test it for you? A few $$ for solid knowledge of what you need to fix/replace is worth it probably.
Narrator
 GM, 11197 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sun 1 Jan 2023
at 19:23
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Oly (msg # 249):

yeoch! my pc is starting to slow down and sputter a little, and I need to back it up.
Gareth
 player, 1139 posts
 Odd Character
 HP: 4/10, FP: 11/17
Sun 1 Jan 2023
at 22:29
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Narrator (msg # 250):

China's prewar attack on important computers in the West, obviously! Gareth is not a conspiracy theorist at all...
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1946 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Mon 2 Jan 2023
at 16:31
Re: leavetaking
Oly:
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 247):

Is there a shop around that can test it for you? A few $$ for solid knowledge of what you need to fix/replace is worth it probably.


Yes, there is -- but they're closed today only open weekdays when I'm at work, so I'm going to have to depend on my partner to call them for an appointment and then take the box up there (thirty miles/fifty kilometers) when they're open, or set the appointment for Saturday so I can go myself...

The other bad news is motherboards that use this CPU (AMD Fx8350 = AM3 or AM3+ socket) are "obsolete" and relatively uncommon now (other than eBay), and few if any of the ones that are available new have four memory slots (I have 32 GB, but it's 4x 8 GB DIMMs because this board only supports 8 GB per slot) -- most have only 2 slots, expecting 16 GB or even 32 GB DIMMs to get to larger memory capacity.  So, if I have to upgrade to a Ryzen CPU, I'm looking at $100-$150 for the motherboard, $200-$500 for CPU, $150 or so for 32 GB of DDR4 RAM, $70 for a CPU cooler (if not included in a bundle, and at least a full weekend day to install.

I did spot a "certified refurb" of my exact motherboard on NewEgg for under $70, I think I'll go ahead and get that just to have a spare even if this turns out to be a defective power supply -- I've got performance enough for three or four more years with this hardware.
Balir Ironhide
 player, 681 posts
 Dwarf
 Warrior
Wed 4 Jan 2023
at 12:02
Re: leavetaking
PC is brokzored. Phone not optimal. Will return when fixed. Zombie if needed. Balir always attacks.
PC fixored. Balir is back.

This message was last edited by the player at 15:51, Wed 04 Jan.

Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1948 posts
 Human martial artist with
 a few spells on the side.
Wed 4 Jan 2023
at 23:36
Re: leavetaking
Well, the relatively nearby computer repair shop doesn't work on "custom built" machines -- so apparently, if it's not a Mac or brand-name PC, it doesn't deserve to be fixed.  I've got a replacement motherboard on the way, but it's coming from China (10-20 days from today, after answering one of their literally eight emails over 24 hours from placing the order to confirm I have the CPU I used to search the board, never mind it's an exact same model replacement for the old one).

If that doesn't fix it I can get another power supply in two or three days from Amazon, so I should be fully back up before the end of February, but between then and now, I can't even run GCS (won't start on this machine, my Linux is too old and I'm not going to consider upgrading this one while the other isn't working).
Hannatti
 player, 475 posts
 Noble Errant
 HP13/13, FP13/13
Thu 5 Jan 2023
at 00:10
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 253):

Welcome back, Balir!
Hannatti
 player, 482 posts
 Noble Errant
 HP13/13, FP13/13
Sat 14 Jan 2023
at 14:31
Re: leavetaking
@GM - I have a nasty stomach bug and expect it will be day
 or two before I'm back in your games. NPC me if need be. Sorry but this is really doing a number on me
Narrator
 GM, 11234 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Sat 14 Jan 2023
at 16:37
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Hannatti (msg # 256):

feel better
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1959 posts
 Martial Artist Wizard
 HP 10/10 FP 11/11
Tue 24 Jan 2023
at 00:58
Re: leavetaking
Following up -- my desktop computer appears to be fixed.  New motherboard let it boot again; fresh thermal paste has lowered CPU temperature significantly, and the operating system seems fine, though I'm still restoring some third-party applications.  Getting things back to normal has almost worked its way down to fixing the menus.

Good news is, the motherboard cost only about $70 plus tax; bad news is it took two weeks to come from China (original estimate was two to six weeks, so I'm not complaining).  And the next time I have a problem like this, I'll probably have to spend $500 to upgrade CPU, motherboard, and RAM (this old DDR3 won't work with motherboards that can use a Ryzen), because "tested, refurbished" boards for AMD Fx processors likely won't be available in 3-4 years or longer.
Narrator
 GM, 11273 posts
 DM says
 roll for initiative!
Tue 24 Jan 2023
at 21:43
Re: leavetaking
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 258):

dang!
Ardenas Barehand
 player, 1961 posts
 Martial Artist Wizard
 HP 10/10 FP 11/11
Tue 24 Jan 2023
at 23:57
Re: leavetaking
Narrator:
In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 258):

dang!


Well, compare that cost to buying a new ATX tower computer (these days, that's mostly a "gaming tower"), typically much more than that for a "bare bones" system with no hard disk or video card, and a decently performing full system (without OS, ready to install Linux) is likely to run to twice that or more (a decent video card can run above $500).

Since I don't live in my parents' basement and therefore have to earn my own money and pay my own bills, saving several hundred dollars by rebuilding is very preferable to spending that money (that otherwise can go for things like lenses and other camera equipment, film and chemicals, etc.).