Starting with: Storming the Library Crew, as of this moment:

Time for a beating:


updates later for Winecellars, clearing the arena, and Pursuit
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:41, Thu 19 Mar 2015.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 1):

Rehabilitating the arena:
No points for noshows Huey Thumper and Aramas,
But all get $125 cash each.
Jewelry (copper bracelets, silver chain, gold ring, silver medallion)
 found is worth a total of $236, question is what it can be pawned for.

Bump

In reply to Brodak (msg # 3):

Everyone who participated in Broderick's slorn hunt gets one CP, some were notified of this.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 4):

I was not told the cash reward for that, though I did collect it. How much was it?

$125

In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 6):

For Sulver Jade Palace

Loot from bar: 2 healing potions, spent
1 blue potion of paut, 1 poison antidote,
1 $50 bottle of liquor, 2x $16 vials of grain alchohol. Each bottle has an additional value of $10 except the fancy liquor,it is worth  $120.

Coin: each dragonman had a string of cash, the Ashigaru had only $63 between them. (Payday was last week)

The baubles the dragonmen had:
Laquered box worth $250
4 jade ornaments worth $80,$70, $40, and $130
Writing kit worrh $50

All in adution to the strings of cash previously mentioned.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:41, Tue 10 Apr 2018.

Chye nicked a sweet wall painting of a dragon, too. what's that valued at? (though when he gets his own quarters, he'll hang it on his wall)

Iskander has the demon's skull, the jade ornaments, and the potions, as well as 2 strings of cash he took.

I have no problem with Chye keeping the artwork for his quarters, though that (and the jades, if Iskander wishes to keep them) should surely count against their shares.

I would happily take the blue paut as part of my share at its current price of $130.  Beyond that, my only interest in the loot is coin value.

well, this is on top of our share of the coin. we could have Iskander use his mercantile to get the best prices for these things, and divvy up the cash. as far as the potions, Iskander can give you the paut, if you like. makes no sense liquidating the potions, really.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:23, Wed 11 Apr 2018.

I want to increase Iskanders strength to 13, and save the remainder for later.

I don't hear anyone else with any requests; let's just sell the stuff and divvy up the take.

there's quite a haul of stuff. there's the healing potions, the paut, the poison antidote. the grain alcohol, and a great deal of liquor. the box, the writing kit, and the jade pieces, and the artwork, which has yet to be priced. two of the jade pieces i have are chop-signature seals though, so with some digging, they might have some underworld use for iskander, that makes them worth more than their material value..
This message was last updated by the player at 09:30, Thu 12 Apr 2018.

If it's dragon or turtle motif, Chye likes it. artwork, jewelry, apparel, as a quirk.

well, we can divvy it up here, or do we have to play it out?
i want the jades, for my share.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:36, Thu 12 Apr 2018.

Anything special about the lacquered box? If not, let's sell and split.

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 15):

Three of the jades have dragon motiefs. The most expensive one is an openwork flat panel with a dragon motief, the two smallest are dragon headed cylinder chops, with signatures on the bottom. The last piece of jade is a small flat square with a crane on it.

The box is a very ornate piece of lacquerwork, but nothing spectacular.

Expect 40% of list value, or 50% if sold by Sahudese to Sahudese.

Narrator listed the healing potions as "spent" -- which I took to mean someone had already drunk them and we just had the vials; they were included in the bar loot because they were found there.  If I was incorrect, I'd be interested in one of those, along with the paut, and would contribute some cash if that exceeds my share of the loot value.  Other than that, I'm fine with coin.

Chye seems interested in dragon items like the three jade pieces, but Iskander is also interested in the jades.  I don't need either alcohol or liquor (I enjoy beer, but don't tolerate stronger drink well); the lacquered box doesn't interest me.  Do we know whether the antidote is general, or specific to one particular poison?

I count the liquors and grain alcohol at $202; the coins from dragon men and ashigaru at $223; blue paut was $130 last I heard.  We don't know the value of the poison antidote, as far as I know.  The other loot (lacquered box, jades, writing kit) totals $620.  If we convert all to coin, we'll lose some value on the sale, so if Chye and Iskander can sort out who wants what among the jades, and we can decide on the disposal of the lacquered box and writing kit, we can sell what we aren't going to keep and divvy up the coin.

i'll be satisfied with the dragon plaque, as far as the jade. that's right up Chye's ally

i want the remaining jade pieces. i think they can be used in possible forgeries that could profit us, and thwart the enemy, later on. Chye can sell everything else, so we get the best deal.

Else my noted desire for potions, let us proceed, then.

Iskander gives the dragon plaque to Chye, and the potions he gives to Chou Zhen-Mou, except the poison antidote, which he keeps with his first aid kit. also, i spent the points and made the changes, concerning my strength increase. power up! *altered beast*
This message was last edited by the player at 00:24, Sat 14 Apr 2018.

Clarification, please, Narrator?  Was I correct in understanding the healing potions to represent empty vials, based on the "spent" description?

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 24):

There is one spare. The other potion is a universal antidote.

Thank you.  I plan to buy additional paut before our next mission, hopefully to have enough to share if needed.  The healing potion, likewise; since we have no healer in our group.

Which leads to an obvious suggestion -- might we consider recruiting a healer to join us?  Being able, during a mission, to convert Lent Energy or paut into healing might be very worthwhile -- and healers, being always some kind of priest, are often useful in fights against demons and undead, as well.

Seems we may as well just divide up the coin from the dragon men and ashigaru between those who haven't received jades or potions.  For the lacquered box, perhaps a gift to the Omo or Yodoku?

or we could liquidate it, and distribute that too...

In reply to Iskander (msg # 27):

A gift to the Omo is always appreciated.

Finding a player might be hard, spending points on a 125pt character as a henchperson might work at 8pts

In reply to Narrator (msg # 28):

There is currently open be healer in the city twiddling her tiny thumbs, but she is a druid.  of the clerical healers I control, one is returning with a party very soon, and the other is just heading back out of town now.

Not sure if lepricaun is suited to your group though, nor if her group still needs her.

I've been entertaining the notion of a christian priest pc for a long time...

Aoife, I really doubt a leprechaun would fit into our wuxia way of life.

Ideally, we'd seek a priest of some Sahudese flavor -- speaking Sahudese is strongly favored, since most of our enemies prefer that language and some of us do as well, though I think all of us speak at least some Aralaise.  Said person should also be able to hold their own in a fight, whether with hands and feet, weapons, or magic, and unless they're to be an outsider/mercenary like Iskander, need to be at least open to swearing to service with Sakemoko.

An 8-point expenditure for a henchman seems a reasonable alternative; that's fewer than two points for each of us.  We'd get less help fighting Akira Kumo No's followers than from a competent PC, but potentially a more capable healer (a 125 point specialist can often beat a 250 point generalist in their area of expertise).

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 31):

No worries. Just offering. It sounds like a Christian priest would be equally out of place, unless they were a missionary!

I agree, I don't know that a Christian priest would fit well -- even a missionary seems unlikely to be willing to go on raids that involve killing folk who aren't demonic in nature (as is the case with the rank and file of Akira's henchfolk).

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 33):
Pacifism is actually a heresy, according to orthodoxy.
a priest may not have ever shed blood, but not all are called to be priests.
granted, my character would be a priest, his attacks would be more more spiritual warfare and healing. but also, being that this is also fantasy, i could reconcile these differences, and the church itself would have come to Yrth as missionaries, including it's very own saints, and also appearences of previously unamed angels, as well as the familiar. particularly michael, and perhaps the angel uriel, being the most prominent. with a greater level of supernatural evil about, contending with other spirits, and Gods, Yrth would be a frontier for God, and so his followers might well need to bear the sword...

I agree that a Sahudese healer would be better suited.
potions seem to help us get through life or death situations though, so far.
though it'll take strong magic, or divine aid for anything more serious than a bad impaling wound (which is bad enough)

A potion isn't much help for an unconscious character, though, and a serious impaling wound, especially if dealt by a top notch archer or crossbowman (who can make called shots to bypass armor), virtually ensures an unconscious victim.

I also see a potential issue with a Christian priest "serving" an Earthly authority the likes of Sakemoko.  Don't forget, as a former Guildmaster, Sakemoko is far from lily white.  Then again, Northport is governed by literal devil worshippers (Dis Pater, one of the Lords of Hell, is the Hadereum's patron).

Any case, if we're to split up the coins taken from dragon men and ashigaru, that total is $223.  Divided 6 ways, it would be $37 each with one bit left over.  I would favor gifting the lacquered box to Sakemoko.

no, i wouldn't make him for the wuxia threads. lol yeah, that'd be like putting soy sauce on pancakes. that idea is for a priest character in general. for a sahudese healing character, i would give him herbalist,ying-yang healing, esoteric medicine (sahudese),and surgeon, perhaps.
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okay, but if we gift the box, it's from all of us. :D
This message was last edited by the player at 23:08, Tue 17 Apr 2018.

Yeah, or maybe more like putting maple syrup on yakisoba.

I like the sound of that already -- like Miss Yodoku, without the "torturer" side.

maybe an old man, with longevity, and some martial arts skills, maybe even a mastery... an old master/healer...
This message was last edited by the player at 23:28, Tue 17 Apr 2018.

Hey, does that sweet, pale, openwork jade dragon belt plaque give me added bonuses for appearences?

We have an additional jade piece, and the dragon artwork, which Chye took each worth $375, for a net of $750. that divided into six shares, is an additional $125 apiece. Chye is satisfied with his belt plaque, and will contribute the artwork to be divvied up.
upon good authority, i have heard it from the narrator that this new jade piece is a yellowish pale color dragon, that was forgotten to mention.

Very nice find, Chye.  Okay, we have the dragon wall art that needs to be sold (we'll lose some value due to the wealth-based pricing, so can't count on the $125 each).  Beyond that, I received potions worth $135 (paut) and unknown valuation (Minor Healing).  Once we have a value for the healing potion, I'll put cash into the group fund to be divided.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 42):

Jewelry and cash are not affected by wealth, but articles of virtue such as the box and the wall hanging are.

how's that, cap'n?

Short version: the more Wealth you have, the more you get for fencing selling goods like the wall hanging or the lacquered box.  If you're Struggling or Flat Broke, you're prone to stay that way.

I remember getting money from Into the Wine cellars once more, but don't remember any points... were there any?

There's (a little) more money coming in from there, with Aoife selling off the trollish scrolls (the originals), but I was just thinking we should have some CP coming in soon...

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 47):

As I understand, there were 4 of us, so we got $200/4 = $50 in addition to the $240 each we received as wages. There is still the trollish statue to be sold and the cash divided...and CP.

Well, that sage who's a troll enthusiast would be the sensible person to offer the statue to.  Do you have magic that can repair it?

Oh, and I presume you returned the paut I passed to you in case of need in intimidating ogres?

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 49):

Naturally, though I did have some of my own :).

No helpful repair magic, sorry.

okay, so i increased my strength, and i put another point in merchant for the final record.

I'm hoarding my cps for the moment. increasing IQ ain't cheap!

I have increased my skill in aiming Lightning, the better to use it at a greater distance, and learned three new spells.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 53):

Psychic Guidance perk is an awesome way to increase accuracy with one spell...it uses Spell skill instead of innate attack skill. Just sayin, in case it was overlooked...

Where do people keep coming up with useful perks and things that I've never seen?  Or, alternate form of the question, when did GURPS become a "pay to win" game like a so-called RPG on your phone?

Space (and to a lesser extent, money) restrictions mean I don't have any 4th Ed. books other than the Basic Set, Magic, Fantasy (which is nearly useless), and Low Tech.  I've got PDF of three or four of the old DF booklets (bought specifically for Northport play), but don't have (and likely won't have) the DFRPG.  There are whole parts of the game system I've never had a chance to learn (like Powers and the entire system and method of creating new, balanced abilities and items that led up to Sorcery and the other offshoots of Ritual Path Magic).

For my own needs, when I received these, Basic Set and Magic covered what I needed -- and when I got them, I had zero dollars to spend on expensive gaming books.  Now, I can spend money from time to time, but don't have a local group to play with (I'm currently playing Hero System with one group and Swords and Wizardry Lite -- like very low level OD&D, core rules in six pages -- with another), and have limited space to store new books -- and, generally, no idea what books would be useful additions.  I don't have a couple hundred back issues of Pyramid, either.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 55):

Thaumatology - Magical Styles p.29

No comments about the number of books GURPs have released for 4th ed...I only have the pdf for most except Basics, Magic, LT, and UT. Would love more, but don't even have a group at  the moment.

Psychic Guidance†
You’re capable of controlling a Missile spell with your mind
instead of hurling it like a bolt or a grenade. Use your effective
skill with the spell instead of the Innate Attack skill to attack as
well as to cast. Ranged combat modifiers apply as usual. You
must specialize by Missile spell.

I am looking forward to finding some useful ability with my CP.... when I get them.

Hmm.  Might have been a good thing if I'd known this at character creation -- before I put points into the Innate Attack skills.  However, I've now got three missile spells; I don't have the CP handy to put into this even though it would greatly improve my aim.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 58):

To all the fine folks returning to the winecellars:

In addition to 3 days pay at 250cp, ($360 each)
You each get 4cp

In reply to Narrator (msg # 59):

And from the sale of the troll documents?

In reply to Oly (msg # 60):

I leave that to Aoife to distribute.,,

Named Possession†
You own a ritually named possession; details depend on the
setting, and may involve oaths, spells, or inscriptions, and/or
require a fine-quality, holy, or similarly special item (GM’s decision).
This perk grants that article the potential for gaining
special abilities. It earns character points at the same rate as
you when you perform deeds of supernatural significance. Each
point can be exchanged for 25 energy points’ worth of enchantments
chosen by the GM (optionally increasing the possession’s
value as Signature Gear). Use the standard rules for
magical enchantment to determine what’s possible – but note
that the power involved might be divine, psionic, spiritual, or
otherwise nonmagical. You can have multiple perks, but then
the Named Possessions evenly split the points they earn.
&
Weapon Bond†
You own a weapon that’s uniquely suited to you. Its quality
might be no better than normal, but when you use it, you’re at
+1 to effective skill and all techniques based on that skill. This
isn’t a supernatural attunement, nor does it require a specially
modified weapon; it’s a matter of balance, fit to your hand, and
intimate familiarity.
You can have a bond to a weapon of any type or quality. The
bond changes neither the weapon nor its price. If you lose the
weapon, you lose this perk – although you can buy a new
Weapon Bond in play. To avoid such fates, buy the weapon as
Signature Gear.
paid 2 pts for these for Chye's naginata,龍爪
Lóng Zhuǎ *Dragon Claw*
This message was last edited by the player at 22:18, Tue 22 May 2018.

Nice!

i was thinking of spending 2 points for the courtesy title of "Knight", and spending one point on Office†
You hold a minor civil office, like dogcatcher or reeve. This
isn’t merely Courtesy Title (above) – you possess real authority
equivalent to 5 points of Legal Enforcement Powers, Security
Clearance, Status, or similar. However, this has such limited
scope (e.g., “Authority over dogs in the town of Castle Rock”)
that it’s only a perk. A more expensive social advantage or lack
of social disadvantages is often a prerequisite, and you may
have a Duty

or perhaps as a reward for services..
Like master at arms, or master of ceremonies, or herald. a game and fish warden might be cool, too...
This message was last edited by the player at 22:59, Thu 24 May 2018.

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 65):

Any office you take would be limited to Little Sahud, and would periodically require you to sign documents with a chop, and perform duties... brothel inspector, master of parade organizing...

how about something related to martial arts tournaments?

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 67):

At the moment I don't want to run any, but let me think of something...

no problem, these were just future projections, anyway. i'm going to invest in his martial prowess more, first.

Returning from Shevnia:

Six bags of silver coin, at about a pound and a half of coin each, for roughly 375 coins each, give or take... each coin is worth a flat $20

Take an hour for a full accounting!

Fragments of the jeweled crown, worth $2400

Magical ring?

Dead necromancer's jeweled, fine, balanced, dragonbone staff worth $800, sellable for $320

Formerly, $50k now $0 for the rod of the builder...

Three magical (pussiant) broadswords (not thrusting) sellable for $2240 each
A magical fine battleaxe sellable for $2180
A penatrating shortsword, sellable for $4160

6× gold rings worth $100 each

1 hauberk of poor quallity chainmail resellable for $184
3 suits of poor quality scale mail resellable for $ 132  each
From Pierre
1 heavy scale scale torso armor with heavy leather sleeves for $260
-Helmet for $40
-Axe for $20
-Knife for $8
From Kalvo
-Perforated chainmail hauberk for $264
-Broadsword for $200
-Knife for $8

Horse- can be sold for $480
Tack, saddle and saddlebags for $75

Total effective value: $61,023 not counting  value of  magic ring.
By the contract, $1200 goes straight to Oly, who also gets 1/3 of a full share.
There are 7 survivors, not counting supernatural allies.
Total divisible loot then is $59823
Shares can be taken as goods or cash.
Each regular share is worth $8161
Oly's bonus 1/3 share is $2720.
With $3 spare.


For destroying the rod of the builder, everyone but Oren, who resisted, gets a character point. Marlena recieved a bless spell from Grom.

Oren gets cp for risking himself to destroy the screaming skull.
Everyone else gets 5 cp,

Mvp (to be voted on:) gets 1 extra CP

Syvanus will ask for the Magical Shortsword and $4001 in coin.

If i understand correctly, he ends up with 6 total CP. 1 from supporting the destruction of the Rod and 5 for his efforts.

Oly gets $3920 in coin and no CP for his financing  efforts.

In reply to Oly (msg # 72):

Kirpich will take his share, the battleaxe and 5981, of which he will donate 981 to the church of Grom.

Is the axe 2 handed, or single handed? What magic is on it?

Likewise, assume 6 cp total, right?
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:37, Fri 29 June 2018.

In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 73):

I was eyeing that axe! 1 handed, pussiance +1
This message was last edited by the player at 03:32, Fri 29 June 2018.

Stringfellow is happy to take straight cash.

In reply to Stringfellow Hill (msg # 75):

Kirpich is happy to take the horse and equipment, as he suspects he can find buyers in the guild who might pay more for that, as well as any magical gear or the staff not claimed, as he would prefer to find the end users himself, rather than trust the merchant to sell them to trustworthy moral individuals...

On that note, if he wants to hawk it to other PCs, is that a problem?

With regards to the Axe, it IS the only magical weapon he can use, BUT he very rarely uses weapons! If Snorri really wants it, he is open to discussion...

Oh, and we really need to try to sort out what that magical? ring is. Kirpich will offer to take it for now, unless someone else can identify it.

Oh, and Stringfellow can have his pack back from Chunky!

MVP? Tough call...who was it that broke the liches crown?
This message was last edited by the player at 12:00, Fri 29 June 2018.

Danos will take straight money.

And will try sleight of hand to snag those leftover $3! </jks>

Have Oren dake da ring  do da elf upzdairs an find oud whad id iz.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 55):
PDF's man... PDF's. i've found all sorts of perks, and power ups, just researching and grabbing what i find. im at the same disadvantages, not knowing 4e, or having any other resources to create my pcs here, from other than what i can muster.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:23, Fri 29 June 2018.

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 79):

I think he meant that legitimate PDFs cost money.

Snorri is very interested in the Axe, Kirpich.

Marlena was the one who broke the crown; she and Snorri get half points.

Not only do legitimate PDFs cost money (though less than paper books, generally), I find them less convenient to use than a book.  Perhaps I just haven't worked out or copied enough techniques, but I find a paper book with some sticky tabs applied to appropriate pages much quicker to find something, especially if I don't have an exact search term for my PDF viewer to look for.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 81):

I get all of mine printed at Lulu, for very cheap ($2-3)

Snorri is willing to donate a thousand to the church of Grom, and is looking to be a member. It was tnrough Kirpich's intercession with Grom that he was healed after being trod upon by the golem.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 82):

Kirpich would be glad to assist Snorri with that, even parting with the axe, and horse if he so desires.

He will offer to take him to the Temple of Grom as well, and introduce him.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:27, Tue 03 July 2018.

In reply to Kirpich Rockson (msg # 83):

Snorri  accepts the axe as part of his share, donates to his new church, and also takes the knives of the prisoners, which he returns to them, along with the seed money that Kalvo had given him.
"No man, no matter how poor or mean, ought be without a way to cut his meat, and it would be dishonest of me to keep his coin, and he ever wanted to see the coin of his homeland. Mayhap he can apply it to his own indenture, by Grom, and become a free man in less time.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:11, Sun 08 July 2018.

In reply to Snorri Roslovich (msg # 84):

A matter of concern to the Hafereum

Yall are at midway here, so 3pts each. I reccomend a certain dwarf bumps up crossbow...

Arrue-oooh!

In reply to Urrun (msg # 86):

Cool. He would need 4 points to increase crossbow though!

In reply to Hograth Podkarmen (msg # 87):

The Common Room;

Due to partial success, James and Percival get 1pt each, which are spent on their Valet, the others get 3pts each, and the one who gave up the potion also has a 1 pt perk:favor. This could be built into Ally if you are willing to put up eirh Lourdad's oafishness and crimial past.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 88):

Juniors:
Everyone gets 4 points, there is the following loot
Cheap weapons:
Dagger $3
Shortsword $64
Large knife $6
Thrusting broadsword $120
Spear $9
Knife $3
Axe $9

In addition to these weapons, he carries a pussiant+1 broadsword, worth $5500

There is also a gem embedded in the hilt which may be a very valuable spell stone

In reply to Narrator (msg # 89):

Clarence may be interested in the spell stone...if it can be removed without destroying the swords magic.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:46, Mon 25 Feb 2019.

No really?  :P

Pretty sure everyone would, but it's probably waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay outside anyone's individual share, so if we do end up with it as loot, it's probably getting sold (Alaric might not want to part with it).

Also if it's a Spell Stone, it's probably the Wish Spell Stone, as a Spell Stone is a single use 'spell enchanted' rock, not a Powerstone or Manastone (we aren't using Powerstones/Manastones* as this is 'DF', not generic Fantasy).


* Or are we GM?

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 91):

Power items technically have Mannastone cast in them. This is likely insanely expensive

So... you're changing the rules on how Power Items work?

I think I'm going to take a powerstone, as a signature item. give it a few interesting quirks.. otherwise, I just can't cast some of my more potent spells!
This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 04:55, Tue 26 Feb 2019.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 93):

I suspect that's just an explanation of how an item can be enchanted with Power (though since most Power items aren't limited-charges, it'd properly be Powerstone, I think -- I'm on vacation, don't have my books with me).

Power is an option for enchantment, and requires the inclusion of a sufficiently large gem, but it's likely to be a "dedicated" Powerstone (reduces item cost by a large factor, making such items only insanely expensive, rather than impossibly so) and thus can't be removed from the item in a functional state.

This game doesn't use Powerstones.  As it's DF... if we do*, there are people who would like to know...


* GM, are we using Powerstones?



Except Power Items aren't enchanted, and work like neither (okay, they're similar to Manastones, just radically cheaper, and not Enchanted).  That's why when Chye had his nunchucks upgraded with silver inlay, they became a more potent Power Item (or would have had Chye used Power Items, though I suspect Chye might use Heroic Power Items, or that he could...).


And that's the only part* about Power Items that chafs my jimmies.  Endurance Items require a $1K ritual to become Endurance Items... but Jareth's shortstaff became a Power Item just because I willed it so (and he actually draws from a Power Source that's Magic, Divine, or Psychic).



* Okay, not the only part.  That Psychic Items work like and not like other Power items is chafing and not-chafing...  Chafing because this isn't a standard DF game with a week's downtime so Jareth's staff will never, ever be at full charge.  Not-chafing because... well, he'll also never likely need to spend more than 1 FP on Psychic powers per day so it's innate recharge rate keeps up with his needs (Psychic Power Items recharge natively at 1 FP per day, all other Power Items must be recharged "in town" for $5 per FP).


Yup, that is how self powered magic items work in GURPS Magic... but DF doesn't fly using those rules... so... that all depends on how the GM runs it (though I suspect gwythaint runs it that way).
This message was last edited by the player at 13:24, Tue 26 Feb 2019.

I certainly hope we use powerstones. otherwise being a mage is going to be limited to drinking potions that make ya blind. it's like bathtub gin, all over again! xD
This message was last edited by the player at 16:55, Tue 26 Feb 2019.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 96):
Chye's naginata and nunchaku are named items,and gain their own experience points, which can be converted into magical effects, at a rate of 250 power, per exp point. i'm saving them up for some cool effects, that will suit him well.

40,000 posts in and the powerstone question hasn't been decided.  Seems like the first thing any good finger-wiggler would be asking about, because they are very useful caster tools.

I'll preface that observation with...  I'm new to the game, so I shouldn't probably have an opinion about what should or should not be.  The whole DF setting is new to me, and this is the GM's own custom world.  I can't say I know what the answer should be.  Plus I decided against the magic type this time around, so it doesn't affect me quite so much.

That said, as the GM I might not give you a straight answer.  Might be on a case-by-case basis, or he might have multiple other layers built in towards fulfilling this sort of role.  Plus, as written in the basic books, powerstones are potentially unbalancing if not managed carefully.  I have seen arguments about sillier things, to be honest.

I say let it lie for now.  The GM will probably consider the topic, and make a decision at some time in the future (if not already done).  We have a good game here, with layer upon layer of detail.  I'm willing to work with what we have for now and let the GM get around to it when and if he wants to.  We would all like to know the answer, but let's not put the GM on the spot.

In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 99):

There were changes to the DF rules when the DFRPG set came out.  One of those was the elimination of Quick & Dirty enchantment (with the exception of the Staff spell), with the result that even a Cornucopia Quiver of ordinary arrows is now a $1300 item (as I recall -- it's a BUNCH more than the $125 it used to be, in any case).  Another was a further nerfing of power storage -- even one-shot manastones are almost impossible to obtain; a mage can have a designated "Power Item" (power storage proportional to $ value, which means a big reservoir is likely to be conspicuous), but they can only be recharged by NPC enchanters.  Also, PC enchantment is now completely gone; that's an NPC only function.

The underlying reasons, I presume, were balance related -- though I didn't think things were unbalanced in the first place, as long as you don't try to combine Powers with GURPS Magic (might be okay even then, if you're better than I am at building wizards).  "Balance" in a primarily dungeon-crawling game environment, however, likely differs significantly from "balance" in a more open-world game setting.

Generally, though, our GM is playing almost entirely by DFRPG (which differs little from the DF supplements to vanilla GURPS aside from the changes to magic items).  That means no manastones, no items that self-recharge, except hugely expensive NPC-made items with permanent enchantments.

You can have a mana reservoir for your caster; look at "Power Item" in the first DF book.  Costs $5/fp to have recharged by Spielgud or the other Guild mage (whose name I've forgotten).  The value to capacity formula there hasn't changed.

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 100):

Having said that, there are some of the older magic users that use 'grandfathered' items and statistics. Hence the confusion and uncertainty.

Probably also explains why he's letting us have named items that grow with us as they are used.  That allows everyone to have a level of magic item more-or-less equivalent.  Might leave the mages a little bit behind, but i get the sense it will even out over time.

oh yeah, suddenly being a mage just plain sucks.

I would disagree.  It is also possible to spend character points on Extra Fatigue.  Combine that, high skill (most efficient, for a long spell list, if you have a high IQ + Magery), and a Power Item, specifically buy up skill in Recover Energy and a couple other key spells (a missile spell and one or two signature tricks), and a mage is a force to be reckoned with, even if they avoid paut aside from extreme need.

Were I human, I'd have had many more points to spend on spells, Extra Fatigue, and high skill level -- though I'd be less able to shrug off arrow wounds, poison, and the like.

It's called Power items.  They've been mentioned several times now.  They're arguably better than Powerstones.




As far as I know it was decided a long time ago, we're using DF/DFRPG rules but allowing off template characters.  Just we have new Players that don't seem to have made characters using DF at all, which I've said a few times is a tremendous flaw in our GM's methods.

It's one thing to 'go off template' but still know what the setting switches of the game are, it's another to make characters wholecloth with no direction from the DF rules...


Powerstones in vanilla Fantasy are expensive, most Wizards can't afford them at chargen.  When they have to make choices between armor, magic staff, other equipment and Powerstones.

Power Items take that hassle out of the equation.  If you can afford any equipment at all you got a Power/Heroic Item.


Not really, they're just a pain in the ass to adjudicate recharge times.  A 'one shot' pool of FP that you can only recharge in town is a lot simpler on the GM's paperwork.




Not quite.  In DF Wizards can't take Enchantment spells, so that was already right out before DFRPG.


No, they're genre related.  Sean Punch (the creator of DF) didn't want to run a game for a group of mumptys hangin out in town enchanting items.  He wanted PCs heading out into dungeons seeking treasure.

So he removed the entire college of spells that discouraged adventure play.

These choices were further refined in DFRPG... and I think he went too far 9but I do get there were also page count consideration in DFRPG).


Power item is for spellcasters, costs $5/FP to recharge between adventures.

Heroic Item* (must be weapon, armor, or shield) is for Weapon Masters, TBaM, and Heroic Archers that need more FP to power themselves in fights.

Psionic Item* is for psis.

Endurance Items are for anyone, but that FP can only be spent on completely mundane stuff, marching fatigue, Extra Effort, sleep dep, lost meals, etc.  No FP draining attacks.  Requires a $1k ritual to turn ordinary piece of gear into Endurance Item.  The Item now actually counts as an Endurance Items and is 'enchanted"... kinda?  Anyway it's more valuable and you can own as many as you want.  The cost $5/point to recharge betweens adventures.


Power Items, Heroic Items, and Psionic Items have no intrinsic value as a "Power Item".  Being a Power item doesn't increase it's value, they cannot be 'bought' as Power Items.

And you can only ever own one of each, and must be able to use the power source (Magic, Divine, Psionic, Heroic).



* Heroic items came from DF 18 Power Items and  it and Psionic Items use... wait for it... Passive Recharging.  Sigh.  1 point per day.






Not even a little.

Except that, under DF, there wasn't an explicit prohibition against NPC enchanters making Q&D items -- +1 Fortify, +1 Puissance, and +1 Accuracy, for instance, Cornucopia for ordinary missiles, and a few other items in the under-100 fp category were almost dirt cheap (at $1/fp) when Q&D was permitted.  An archer who didn't buy a Cornucopia quiver was cheating himself.

With S&S the only kind of enchantment, even a Staff spell ought to cost $625 ($25/fp for 25 fp), hence the exception it enjoys, since wizards need their wands/rods/staves.  IMO, Q&D should have been kept; it would still have low level fighters, for instance, choosing between Accuracy and Puissance, but with a couple points in Wealth at least able to afford an enchanted weapon from the start.

Then again, a Staff that's worth $625 would make a very acceptable power item for most starting wizards...

Except that Power items use an items MUNDANE value, before enchantments...

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 106):

There was a whiff of powerstones, Spielgud has some that belonged to Flax, also a charging rack, left over from 3e. There are none elsewhere.
Ximmiv was an enchanter pc from before Sean's purge, and he and I had worked out that power item recharging was via the manastone spell. However, after the player left, I gave the character the  50 pt"can charge power item" advantage from DF18. He is the go to guy, and holy items get recharged in Paolo the Pardoner's high sanctity room.
Likewise Charal casts Clean all day from her 1 yard high mana area...

Passively charging psionic items can recover energy faster when next to sleeping elder things. Usually not a safe proposition...but functional here...


As to the off book characters, there are a bunch of 3e players who don't own any 4e, so there are a handful of unpowered characters, along with a l9t built from mismatched templates from DF 15, which I like.

Any idea of how much $$$ the Juniors will get?  ... looks thin w/o Alaric's (assumed) sword.

In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 109):

It is not a huge amount of cash, but that stone...

$10 each, with $10.6 going into the 'house fund" and $5 for Charlene.  This doesn't count the orichalcum cuffs or Alaric's sword or the Wish Stone (presuming it is a Wish Stone).

Good thing I don't have to buy replacement arrows (not that I would have used a lot on this last run).  That'll buy me a couple meals, anyway.  No more broken pies from goblin street vendors for me...

Get a good night's sleep and I'll be ready to go again.  It's good to be young...

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 111):

The cuffs are worth $3000, or $1200 post sale.

Okay, that's more than a couple meals...

Aye.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 115):

I recommend Jocelyn pay 1 point for shape metal, and 1 for the perk "alternate path" which eliminates the need for prerequisites.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 116):

I believe I already have shape metal.... <Shape Earth (Metal Only) IQ/H> by your hand. Don't know that the perk is necessary.

In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 117):

 Thought you were short a point. Take the perk free, it explains the way you learned it without prerequisites

In reply to Narrator (msg # 118):

She has it as a charm...

Another step toward a personal goal: Mario has improved his Bow skill.  Offsets a step of range or part of a called shot penalty.

I've been sick the last week, so I've fallen a tab bit behind on my updating of things...  give me a few days before we do any major moving on?

In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 119):

Couldn't remember if I had already done that. Thanks.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 122):

In the service of the Omo

Gifts from Sakemoko to follow.
Iskander has a gooq thrusting broadsword and hanger.
Tanaka has a chainmail hauberk sellable for 558 and helm for 90, and a shield sellable for 24.

Points: 4 each

<bows>

Thank you!

everybody in the thread, or just Iskander and Tanaka get 4 cp?

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 125):

everybody in the thread. they just get the loot from Bresnak's Bogus Bodyguard

In reply to Narrator (msg # 126):

how many cp's did chye's Naginata gain after the battle? it was well employed during that battle, taking several heads, and skewering a few.  (named items gain independant xp to be spent on enchantments. (currently has 13.)
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Hey boss... my numbers and your don't line up...

Item		Book$	Cheap	Sell$	Your Numbers
Dagger		20	8	3.2	3
Shortsword	400	160	64	64
Large knife	40	16	6.4	6
Thr Broadsword	600	240	96	120
Spear		40	16	6.4	9
Knife		30	12	4.8	3
Axe		50	20	8	9
				188.8	214

Is there an adjustment going on?  Market fluctuations?  Was that Thrusting Broadsword a Thrusting Bastard Sword (that would totally account for the difference there)?  Was the Spear a Long Spear and the Axe a Throwing Axe?  And then everything just rounded down?


And I think I need to develop a chart of the best weapons to loot by pound...  F-ing Spears are not worth it when Small Knives hold the same value at 1/8th the weight.


[EDIT]
Answered in Bone Gate thread; the higher numbers.
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Cultists by the Docks

Everyone gets the perk[1]
  Tax free entrance to the undercity
And each of you get 5pts
(Norman gets 2pts)

Vote on MVP for a bonus point

In reply to Narrator (msg # 129):

Cool. Can we vote for our massive demon-killing friend?

She was certainly effective in combat, but I think the intention was for that award to go to a PC.  On that basis, I'll vote for Oly; the quiet knife was very instrumental in getting us inside their perimeter so we could use confusion against them.

Oly bows deeply at the suggestion.

I wish I contributed more, but unfortunately, whoever built this character largely killed any real offensive ability.  Luckily, I can pay Norman to do the fighting for me And learn random skills on the fly.

Leaders of Rank are not expected to fight so much.

that mancini looks alot tougher than the old one. he was a nerd.

Thank you, Chye... I think.

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 136):

As an NPC I thank you. I got retconned with the new Slayer book, so no freebies.

Point to Oly.

Mancini could drop four on Norman and have him suddenly step up to his potential as a 125point character if wanted... Hirelings are often not who they seem.

Is intrigued... Do tell me more.

My thanks...

In reply to Oly (msg # 139):

After some quick appraisal by Mancini, you learn the following about the demonologist's gear:
He was wearing a magical hooded robe of protection, worth $9600 and useable as a power item of some heft.
The fine, ornate dagger, set with sard and malachite, which Ardenas is sure is magical, is probably worth just over $10000 (all prices pre-sale)

The spell stone needs to be analyzed tp determine what spell is in it.


Thatbook you found previously is not detectable as magic, but definitely has some weird power to it.

Good news is, most of 500 silver after sell-off.

Bad news is, items too valuable for any one of us to keep and use (unless one of us is a bunch richer than another).

Off to the Guild to get that stone analyzed?

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 141):

Of course. Who can we get to sell them for the best price? Mancini?

I would live the cloak, but for a leprechaun, it would be a tent of protection!

In reply to Aoife (msg # 142):

Analysis of the stone would cost $60 and a god reaction roll. While at the guild you should meet Grimaldi and Sederic.

Were their CPs awarded that I missed...

In reply to Oly (msg # 144):
not yet

In reply to Oly (msg # 144):

As there were rewards for the big cult battle, there are two each (and only one for Norman) for defeating the demonolgist and his instant As- Sharak

In reply to Narrator (msg # 146):

Mancini, I presume you do these investigations prior to going to the guild? Sale price of Cloak and dagger, and type of spell stone? Actually, can magic be used on the spell stone to determine the location of it's caster?

Seems to me it would be sensible at this time to spend a point on Knot-Tying (get off default and finally remember which way the rabbit goes around the tree and which hole he runs back down).  I'll hold the second in reserve for the time being.

In reply to Aoife (msg # 147):

That might be beyond the scope of even Analyze Magic, although it could be used to assist use of a seeker spell. There are spells that obscure that...

He was able to make simple evaluation, but the magic items need clarification in order to properly price them.

Question: Could Mancini try summoning Kalima as Wild Talent?  Or would that be too beyond the pale?

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 150):

Hmm it would be at -4, need 20 fp, could be taken as a long action, and you would need to draw a pentacle and pick five things that would summon her...
A crit success might accidentally summon an avatar of Kali.

That sounds like a last resort sort of thing.  And where would Mancini get 20 fp?  Unless Aoife knows Share Energy and is stronger than she looks...

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 152):

You can chug four vials of paut in one hour before having HT effects. Aoife seemed to have an idea about an item that would go in that summoning circle... she could become a summonable ally, and those can havevariable availability and cost.

I plan on investing in a power item, myself..

In reply to Grimaldi (msg # 154):

Aoife does not have lend energy, but she does have a power item that could perhaps be borrowed. What items of Kalima's do we still have? Her shawl, which she never wore though it was made for her?

Rules of sympathetic magic probably apply -- similarity and contagion, so, something that resembles her in some way (or ideally something made to specifically have similar appearance, such as a doll with four arms), and something that's connected to her by prior contact or, better, possession.  The strongest connection would be something from her body, like hair, nail clippings, skin dust (as might be found in a worn garment), etc.  Any idea what happened to the little kilt thing she was wearing when we met her, before we got her a broader covering?

Needing five things might make it tricky; we don't know her that well, but likely anything connected to her own family of deities (Kali and company) would be good.  An item made for demon slaying would also tend to attract her, as might actual demon parts (though I'd be concerned those might have a stronger draw for an actual demon).

In reply to Aoife (msg # 155):

It was a 9 yard trimmed Sari, not a shawl.

Power items take a day to attenuate and lose their old owner.
 Thaumatology is a good complementary skill (gives a bonus on summoning). Theology-2 also, and AK: Northport to maybe find a representative object.
Ritual Magic (no default, but accessible via wild talent) if successful, would also grant a bonus.
A shard from the banishing stone might help,
A Search of the remains of one of her demons might yield a hair of hers (neither demon had hair, hers is red)

In reply to Narrator (msg # 157):

Actually how did she get here the first time?

In reply to Aoife (msg # 158):

She was sent via Planar Journey by those in her religious organization. They aren't fond of proximate dimensions being overrun, because that leads to echoing events in their world. Presumably that means something Big is stirring.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 159):

Between elder things, demon shops and demon cults everywhere, it does garner that feeling. Maybe they will send her back...any way we could suggest it to them? What was her religion organization anyway?

Most of the temples for human religions that aren't one of the major Aralaise, Sahudese, or Shevnian varieties are on the border between Artisan and Redlight, as I recall.  The bigger names are on Temple Hill, for the most part.

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 161):

There are starting to be temporary stalls along the road toward the gate that passes temple hill,  where religios articles and  idols are being hawked.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 162):

It would be too obvious for them to set up there...

In reply to Aoife (msg # 163):

You might be surprised at what things the Sahudese bring to market. Some of them worship not the celestial kingdom, but the nine million gods. Others are animists, and some worship the Ascended one, who in turn worshipped some of the nine million gods, which his worshippers consider the ceslestial kingdom to be part of...

In reply to Narrator (msg # 164):

Are any of those nine million 'gods' demonic?

In reply to Aoife (msg # 165):

Dep3nds on who you ask. Some probably are, but at least in the hierarchy of the Celestial Kingdom,  they hold beaurocratic positions in Hell that keep things flowing smoothly. Plenty of the sub faiths claim everyone else does, and the Valdassyan  Servants of the Prophet, and the Triunists claim that every power except for their god is a demon. The scholars of the Mosaic Diaspora say likewise, and do not even name their deity.

Master Albrecht followed the Ascended Lord, and Master Rethki, an elf, was what most humans would call an animist -- he worshiped nature spirits, several of them.

I was raised Vejovist, but my parents weren't strict or particularly devout, and today I'd call myself closer to Master Albrecht's view, at least informally -- though I'd surely make an offering to Vejovis if I could find them, or even know for certain what happened to them.

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 167):

I guess what I am wondering is if this market should be checked out for a demonic shop...

Or a newly erected or temporary shrine to some subset of the nine million.  Those would be the ones who might have brought Kalima here in the first place, right?

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 169):

They may not have brought her, but they would have paraphernalia suitable for acquiring her.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 170):

Total value of items sold:
18,811
Individual shares for 6 is $3135 each, with $3 left over
Modified as follows:
Melchizidek has the armor for $2160, reducing his cash share to $975
Out of that, it will cost $432 to make the armor useable.

Darius gets the fine knife and $3071

Aegis gets 4 bottles of dwarves spirits and $3039

Points: everyone gets 6 points
1 bonus point each to Darius for find treasure,
1 bonus to Aegis for heavy play of disads.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 171):

Points for the abbey team part 2
5 each, 1 extra for Azrael.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 166):

nice adaptations to your game world.

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 173):

Not having found where I said it, characters who were at the abbey have 5 extra points, I thought I had awarded them a long time ago.
The intention was to have awarded upon felling the boss monster (greater succubus) and then again after defeating the D'Ivore spoiler troops.
Apparently, I only dropped one award, so an extra 5 for all (npcs get only half)

In reply to Narrator (msg # 174):

Reroll attempts to find spells? Any penalty for divination?

So that's a total of 10 points for each of us, 11 for Azrael/Razael?

In reply to Stenet Fjall (msg # 176):

In addition to the 12 mention earlier, or included in it?

I thought there was talk of something like that at one point, but I can't find it in any thread.

I know Razael got 6 ...

In reply to Razael (msg # 179):

I could swear that I had said it at one point. Ok the total for the expedition for everyone is then 12, with one point going to azrael -razael for the sacrificial plane ahift other.

All good then?

Good by me... I'll add another 6 to Raz...

In reply to Razael (msg # 181):

5 points each to the kalima party at the specialty shop. (3 to Norman, as an ally)

Three of the juniors did not act, and get 3 points each, the others get 5.

2 points to each in seekers of the flame, and in Hunting the mageguild.

5 pts each for bew in town and the mug and cauldron

###not sure if points distributed for dealing with the yokai in rice run, please advise- if not, 5 points each, and one extra for defense against pequenaud's men.

The way to Veroigne  lets do 5 each, 1 extra for Balir due to constant rp

Temple hill: 5 each are due to Urrun, Gorran, and Hograth, the other three can grab a point each for now.

Near Al Menir: 4 points each, except 2 to Amelia, 1 to the new fighter. I would make that swird signature gear.

A point each to trading with trolls for having to listen to backstory.

Am I missing anyone?

I thought I recalled getting some points for the Yokai already, but I'm not certain.

Does 2 points apply to Holy Sister as well, or as an Ally would she get less?

Allies are based on whatever percentage of your points they are... usually.  Some games do them differently*, as far as I can tell, this game runs them by the RAW.  So if Holy Sister is (frex) was built as an 8 point Ally (50% [2], All The Time [x4]), she'll occasionally need to be updated to reflect your 1/2 point total.  Generally, however they also are made and run by the GM and I'm not sure if gwythaint is doing that across the board.  It seems to  be in a case by case basis, as needed.

For instance Akimbo has never been increased (or really run by gwythaint - unless I point a spot where the ferret's thievery would be inconvenient), but then his existence is more of ye olde running joke of how Familiars are treated D&D, they exist only when the Master remembers and *pop* out of existence when not required, so I haven't sweated his point total (and just a few more points and he'll be able to pop and out of existence in fact).


* Take Peter Del'Orto's Felltower game (https://dungeonfantastic.blogspot.com/) where Allies are always 8 points for a 125 point Ally, no matter what your point total is and earn exp at (I believe) half rate (but are 100% run and built and advanced by the GM).

In reply to Elaina Grattan (msg # 184):

I have a few allies, and generally gwythaint is fimne for me to run them and update them, as long as you do not Munchkin too much. I use them to build up gaps in the parties...

Clarence did act when he went through the gate...did he get 3 or 5 points?

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 183):

Our wonderful GM did in fact give us points.

Holy Sister is built on 75% [3], Always Present[x4], for 12 points, but the boss has been letting me run her so far (not really much going on yet, aside from a bandit in a tree).  So, canonically, she'd get 3/4 XP gain?  Round down, that'd make it 1 point.

In reply to Evelina Grattan (msg # 188):

That would be correct. Non-actors were holding the door and waiting, did not explore, steal , fight or talk to storekeep.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 189):

So in Clarence' case, I need to lok at how many points to put into base and how many to put into Ally (Spider). Should I make up a Character sheet for the Spider?

I notice in his private threads we have the statistics, though that has the full familiar cost at [9]. Hence for now he would be an Ally based on a character sheet of [35] points, which is between 25% and 50% of his character points, with a frequency of appearance of 12 (x2) for a total of 4 points for now.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:14, Wed 13 May 2020.

In reply to Clarence Montague (msg # 190):

Once you build him as s familiar, he can gain at that point. So far he is a pet that is sometimes around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvFuUaCe8eY

With GM's permission, I'd like to spend my earned point and some that were left over on another level of Power Reserve (4 points per level).

Her Holiness, my sister and Queen, prefers to save hers for now.

I believe it would be appropriate to spend two earned points on increasing my Knife skill to DX+2, two on Thrown Weapon (Knife), to gain the same level, and save the other one.

Following my recent learning opportunities, I'd like to spend an earned point to increase Occultism to IQ level.

My plan is succeeding; using a heavier bow is helping me increase the strength in my arms and shoulders -- I'd like to spend ten points (five just awarded, and five more I've saved up) to increase ST by 1.  I'll also need to shop for a heavier bow again, to take advantage of my Strongbow perk.

Do you want me to count Nodwin as part of the Juniors (assumed) or as part of the Kalima thread?  He'll get 5 anyway as an active player.  I asked in case it matters.

I run Amelia for RP on occasion, and Omar when appropriate.  The boss runs Amelia about half the time for plot movement and filling in gaps we (meaning the slightly dull player) miss.

Also...  I would put Gareth forward for a point, he has been a constant pain in the a$$ to manage.  And I bet he's being faithful to the character sheet.  Now you may judge he is already munchkin enough, but the RP deserves merit.

Thank you for the recognition.  I will commence my plotting... planning tomorrow.  With my dad in and out of the hospital a couple times now, it has been a long couple weeks.  He is in good health at the moment, which we are thankful for.

Oh, that was just me having fun! I would reduce his disadvantages...but they are just too much fun when combines! I usually don't even bother rolling to resist, which i think is the way they should be played.

In reply to Gareth (msg # 201):

Aoife will want to upgrade her Guild membership to get a room in the guild.

Benito will want to make a shop for himself...how many points should he sink into the Base advantage, given he already has the tools as signature gear?

In reply to Sederic (msg # 202):
Variously:
Did I miss New in Town? Please comment

I would first buy down Sederic's nightmares to quirk level,

Chunky has no reason to get combat reflexes, although it could build
 ST and HT resonably.
Benito can drop a point into base, the shop is not signature gear.
Fp,Sanctuary  and see secrets are approved for Kirpich.

Mel can add truthsayer after this scene.

Magical Constructs fall under Hidden lore magic items, he gets +1 for the advanced prrp, vs this batch only.
Aoife can bump rank and get psychic guidance.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 203):

new in town has been accounted for. we all got 5

In reply to Narrator (msg # 203):

Begin  to wonder after the last post if Mel should pray for banishment as well, as a priority!

In reply to Melchizidek (msg # 205):

Ok, reduced Sederics Phantom voices and Nightmares by one level.

With Chunky, Combat Reflexes increases his dodge by one, hence I was looking for that. He has been through a few combats so far...

Scrolls cost $100 and are cast at level 15, based on Gareth buying some earlier. Is that standard, and a scrounging roll to find a vendor with the scroll?

Speaking of Gareth, his last incident burning himself while bathing, he might just add a point of DR vs fire...and Night Vision from times away from the campfire.

Wow, what a nice coincidence...6 is kind of his number...Magery 6, Night Vision 6, DR 6 vs fire... 6 6 6...how fitting! Lets not tell the religious folk...
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Request for point expenditure in PM.

Aegis points in PM.

Goran PM

Haveron PM.

In reply to Haveron Stormwal (msg # 210):

Balir good I barely work with techniques.
Most of my posting is dommn from memory on my phone , Aegis, good, Haveron and co, good,Goran, that works,

Changed up my spend a tiny bit.

Checking in on Nodwin's spend.

Note to self.

In reply to Nodwin Zideqick (msg # 213):

Ally would be a good start. The cultists/laborers are 62 pt people, and are worth 2 pts each, for some of the time, and 12 pts for 6-10 of them.

I am going to spot you 12 points worth, (a bunch of guys that are sometime helpful,
but not on delves) but you will have to pay to have better than occasional appearance rates.

Yall need to pay 8npts total for Charlene to be everpresent.

Nodwin will add one point towards making Charlene permanent (although he does not know exactly what role she performs).
This message was last edited by the player at 23:27, Mon 25 May 2020.

Brodak can add a point as well.

Charlene is a 62 point Guard template armed with a spear.  Mostly she serves as light skirmisher combat backup and tended to stand behind a heavier fighter (like Brodak) or behind her large shield/two-handed flail wielding partner Clarence.

Jareth has sunk one point into her as an Ally already, so we're now 3/8ths the way to getting her full time.

In reply to Nodwin Zideqick (msg # 216):

Do we need him? Between points for Base and points for Spidey Clarence really needs to spend some serious points to do his job if he will do anything more than holding a light...is that 8 points as a group?
This message was last edited by the player at 09:05, Tue 26 May 2020.

Mario spent a point toward Charlene as an ally months ago/day before yesterday.

As a later arrival I don't know if we consider Charlene critical or not.  How many fighter types do we have?  Nodwin is nothing special as a front line fighter, but he's solid as a second line, plus healing.  How much beef do we think we need?  Would those points be better spent in Base?

I think we have a lot more second line support fighters than up front fighters ... in fact, I think Brodak is the only "Tank" in the group.
I'll add a point as well.

Front liners:  Brodak.
Second line:  Clarence.  Charlene if she's there.
Third Line:  Nodwin.
Skirmishers:  Mario, Melarill.
Casters:  Jocelyn, Nodwin.
Non-combatants who throw down anyway:  Jareth.


Spend however you want.  I was buying Charlene as an Ally regardless of the group.  Would have been buying Clarence as well if someone hadn't stepped in on the role.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 223):

Cool, then. Will leave Charly for you then Jareth.

In reply to Clarence Montague (msg # 224):

In the tavern group the following awards: for all of the 75 pt  characters get 4 pts
The 125 pt characters get 2 points
The 250 point characters get 1point.

<<this was supposed to be the neophyte adventure>>

Rp kaz gets 1, adolus gets 1 point to be spent on lockpicking only for having stsrted without shoes...

In reply to Narrator (msg # 225):

Yay, we get points...nearly enough for that extra level of magery! She keeps studying for that!

Hey, I'm just glad I didn't have to "roll for shoes" -- the way my dice have been, I'd still be barefoot.

One point on lockpicking, aye, I'll get back to you soon (likely tonight) on spending the other four.

In reply to Aldous Hack (msg # 227):

Deathtrap:
4 points each

In reply to Narrator (msg # 228):

Thank you!

In reply to Anita Drake (msg # 229):

I recommend that Msrcus puts a point into climbing if possible

In reply to Narrator (msg # 230):

Sakemoko's crew get 5 pts each for the last run

In reply to Narrator (msg # 231):

Cool, thank you.

Thank you, most benevolent GM.  See PM for spending requests.

In reply to Saishi Jin (msg # 232):

Saishi, so that you know, there is an Earth shsper in the group already, but I heartily approve of Remove curse. otherwise, yes

In reply to Narrator (msg # 234):

Yeah, remove curse is like insurance...you don't need it until you need it, and then you wonder what you were thinking in not having it...

Shape earth, yes, I know there is one in the group, but he is a harvest priest, and it has a lot to do with preparing the ground, so I felt it was an IC preference.

I've got no problem with duplication -- if we really need to move earth around, there's some likelihood I'll be busy casting fireballs or lightning or some such anyway, or I'll have worn myself out doing so.  Earth shaping, especially, is tiring...

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 236):

As long as we move only 1 cu yd at a time, I can do it all day, so happy to help out...

But if we are in a hurry, they duplication might work well.

Or, as we did at the rice village, one can cast to exhaustion and the other Lend Energy, to effectively double the recovery rate (with two resting from one expenditure).  Works to some extent even with casters who don't know Recover Energy.

Chye spent 15 points on the following:
voice +10
courtesy rank 2 (knight)
merchant 1
fast draw (nunchaku) 1
riding (horses) 1

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 239):

you might not be riding thathorse

In reply to Narrator (msg # 240):

you will, however, have the use of horses. everyone who is a regular with the omo, add 10 points: patron.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 241):

Including Saishi?

I got that as "150% of starting point value, Appears quite often (12-), Minimal interventions" to get to 10 points (under original GURPS -- didn't find Patron in DFRPG advantages).

And thanks, boss.  Looking for a name for her now, presuming she doesn't communicate any more clearly than a horse.  Leaning toward Bao Fai.  Got a couple points handy to spend one on Riding, when permitted (presuming it'll take some time to learn).

'Doh, I see they're already calling her Guai Ma (with accent marks I can't type).  She'll be my Bao Fai even so.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:24, Sat 04 Dec 2021.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 243):

trading with trolls:
original investment in cash x 1.5
$400 invested gets you $600

No exps yet?

Copy Guài Mă into your Scratchpad and you'll always have it here if you need it.  Or use Alt Codes 0224 for à and 0259 for ă.

(If ALT+0259 doesn't work for you, well, it doesn't work for me either.  I'm not sure if it's a registry code I'm missing or that I'm on WIn 7 Chrome or what...)

Alternately you can type &#224; for à and &#259; for ă... which if you quote this post you'll see is the HEX Code for those characters.  RuBB Code (what the board software is) will often allow a copypasted special character, and then sometimes it replaces it with the HEX code and sometimes it replaces it with the 'unknown' character like so, �.  ALT Codes sometimes work (they're faster for me as I remember a handful of them), but HEX always work.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:18, Thu 21 Apr 2022.

I'm on a Linux machine, so alt codes don't work for me (holding ALT and then typing a number seems to be a Windows OS function rather than a browser one), and I'll never remember escape-hex entries (I can do a few that I use more often on Stack Exchange, but diacriticals are a whole different kettle of fish).  Copy-paste does work, however.

OTOH, I think it's kind of appropriate for Chou-Zhen to mangle the name a little; his native language is Eldritch and his Sahudese is less fluent than his Aralaise or Shevnian.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 246):

6 points each for the trading with trolls crew- y'all have been pushing it hard.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeee!  New spells!  Or maybe an actual skill or two!  But not combat, combat is what happens to other people...

In reply to Ulo (msg # 249):

3pts each to the crew in the tavern

3 pts each to the juniors

5 points to the after the battle crew, except for Virgilio who gets one
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:10, Thu 21 Apr 2022.

Since I've learned a bit about using a crossbow, I'd like to put that point into Crossbow.

There'll be more later to learn more magic and so forth...

With a few good meals and some associated exercise, Aldous is filling out a little -- almost enough for a point of ST (next time).

I'd like to apply one point to Knot Tying (to get it off default), and hold the others in reserve (leaving 3 unspent).

In reply to Mario Crowfoot (msg # 253):

Aine would like to put a point into her charm (Instant neutralize poison), plus the spells "Flame Jet" and "Innate Attack (Beam)" with her 3 points.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 244):

I came in late and didn't get a chance to throw in for the enterprise. Can I do it retroactively?

In reply to Grohm'Tahl (msg # 255):

yes, whatever cash you had would be up by that level of return.  I think Grohm'Tahl can get an IQ+2 roll to have decided whether it was wiser to cash out or invest in troll goods

 IQ 10 + 2. Grohm passed the roll with a 9.

That was the original deal?  Straight pay vs being able to toss trade goods in the wagon?

In reply to Grohm'Tahl (msg # 257):

straight pay for overpriced goods sold to trolls, or equivalent value of trollish goods to be sold at a potential disadvantage because orcs are dislby hobgoblins due to issues wirh their sports teams

By cash out do you mean being paid a straight cost to provide security regardless of how well or poorly the trading went?  Was that ever an option?

In reply to Grohm'Tahl (msg # 259):

you are all getting a few days guard pay at $120 per day for 250 point characters
if you had no cash at the start you could have borrowed against, and lose 10% off of the total gain. the orc to troll trade was a success.

That's what I needed to know.  As far as trade goods, I'm in for $100.  I have a bit more but Grohm knows not to put all of his eggs in one basket.

In reply to Grohm'Tahl (msg # 261):

Reanna will put a single point into learning how to use a Knife, so her backup weapon will be a lot lighter than the Staff she carries but rarely uses.

In reply to Grohm'Tahl (msg # 261):

that nets you $150 cash

Sounds good. I'll add it all to my sheet and work out the CP spend later.

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 254):

as neutralize poison is a charm, you can learn that without tutelage. Flame jet, otoh, you needa teacher who can make a casting roll. and a teaching roll, and you need a thaumatology roll to get it right.

I have the skills BUT... the die roller isn't letting me teach it...

14:43, Today: Sparky rolled 14 using 3d6.  Teaching 3rd try.
14:42, Today: Sparky rolled 7 using 3d6.  Thaumatology.
14:40, Today: Sparky rolled 15 using 3d6.  Teaching 2nd try.
14:40, Today: Sparky rolled 14 using 3d6.  Teaching.
14:40, Today: Sparky rolled 9 using 3d6.  Flame Jet skill.

Sparky, it's Aine who needs to make the Thaumatology roll -- or would, if you'd made your Teaching.

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 267):

Correct. Can we use you Thaumatology roll to teach me, and MY Thaumatology roll for me to learn? Lol

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 268):

lets do fresh rolls for teaching and casting

As requested, botth pass, with a slight squeak.

In reply to Sparky (msg # 270):

Spells known are

Seek Water
Purify Water
Create Water
Shape Water
Ice Sphere

There is also
Light
Continual Light

and

Apportation
Lockmaster

If any are interesting.

I have all but the water spells and have manipulate, Locksmith and multiple Fire spells.
I will need all the water spells it seems, although I can purchase three of them I think.

It appears you will need the Fire Spell prerequisites as well?

In reply to Sparky (msg # 272):

No, I have all the prerequisites for that.

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 273):

Aine, make a thaumatology roll to learn the spell.

any further teaching?

She was teaching me a couple as well.

In reply to Sparky (msg # 275):

The original thaumatology roll was 7 under. The second thaumatology roll just now was 1 over, and a third was 3 under.

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 276):

you have learned flame jet

In reply to Narrator (msg # 277):

Thank you. Innate attack, being a skill, I just get from practice, or do I need a teacher?

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 278):

A teacher always helps...

In reply to Sparky (msg # 279):

Also, can anyone teach Purify Aid and Stench, or can I learn them from scrolls? Alternatively, Freeze and Heat, or Frost and Icy Slick...
This message was last edited by the player at 09:20, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

Sometimes you can learn a physical skill from default.  I picked up a crossbow because it was what was available, carried it for a couple days, used it a few times, got in enough practice to put a point in.  The same is likely true for Innate Attack skills (or anything else with a default).

As far as I recall, DFRPG/Boss doesn't allow learning spells from scrolls, but I don't recall it coming up frequently so I could be wrong.  Pretty sure Gielgud would be happy to teach you, but of course he wants coin.  There's a strong bias in DF/DFRPG to get characters to spend their loot so they have to go back out adventuring.

In reply to Virgilio Hohlfeld (msg # 281):

You pay Spielgud the cost of FPx20 to cast the spell, and 1 hour at $32...(he is a 500pt character)
conceivably,  you can learn 3 spells in that hour, add another hour for the next three

The Guild needs a personal trainer named Geitgud now... the martial arts master L'ol Kao... archery instructor Aireoh Hertz...

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 283):

I cover that role with my partner

In reply to Valdomyr (msg # 284):

"Exactly "

Crossed up Sir John, the actor, with Northport Guild's magic teacher...

In reply to Virgilio Hohlfeld (msg # 286):

Don't want to make assumptions...so how much would these spells cost to learn?

Purify Aid
Stench
Freeze
Heat
Frost
Icy Slick

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 287):

Freeze costs minimum 2 to cast, Heat and Frost cost a minimum of 1. If I only have 2 cp, can I learn three, but only add the point to my character sheet when I get it?

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 288):

you have the Unspent points, you add the spell after the usual payment and dice rolls with Spielgud.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 289):

I was looking to pay for three spells, though I only have points for 2.

How much to learn Freeze, Heat and Frost when I get the third point?

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 290):

all rolls made,but only for what you have points for

In reply to Narrator (msg # 291):

Thank you.

What is the cash cost? $32 +2x$20 + 1x$20 + 1x$20 for frost, but do not get to add frost to my sheet until I get the extra cp? Or just $92 for the two spells I have cp for now?
This message was last edited by the player at 06:13, Fri 03 June 2022.

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 292):

just pay for what you have points for. all else must wait

In reply to Narrator (msg # 293):

Pity. Done.

In reply to Aine Walsh (msg # 294):

current xp awards going out

gardens of summer 3
damned if you do 4
among the dragonmen 4
trading with trolls 4
vampres vampires 1 each 1 extra for Hannatti
against the baron 1 pt each
deathtrap 2 each
black tower 4 each

juniors recently got, as did tavern and after the battle

In reply to Narrator (msg # 295):

Does Sederic get 2, 4 or halfway between both (3)?

The following characters will want to spend points in the following way;

Aoife: Ask for Druids Panacea, Plant form, Shape Earth, save 1. Or can she look for a half-ogre ally (sheet already done)?
Melchizedek: 3, pray for Banish, save the rest
Hograth:3 save them for now
Christine: 4 save them for now
Emma:4 does she get her extra PI/IQ she has already paid for yet? Also, she still has not got her previous 2 spells.
Can she pray for Regeneration for larger folk, spending both the point for the spell and two points for the perk for using it on huge creatures?
Alternatively, can she learn the techniques: Targeted attack(Sunbolt, Eyes) [6]
Kirpich:1 save it the one point. Only one?
Anita:2, save them
Gareth:4 save them until he can learn/rest
This message was last edited by the player at 00:27, Thu 16 June 2022.

TY!

As previously discussed in the then-current OOC thread, the sisters, having seen how ineffective their whips are in actual combat, will discuss what they should seek as replacement weapons (when they have a calm moment).  Quarterstaff or Axe/Mace are currently front runners, and both can be applied with weapons found/made along our way.

Chou-Zhen would like to spend the newly earned point on Riding (presumably Equine, since Guai Ma is shaped like a horse and acts more or less like a horse).

I just started so I assume that I'm exempt from that 1 cp award?

I had not seen we were supposed to look at this thread to see the CP granted. Does the post from April 21st that says

include Balir? Or does he only get the 1 CP Vampires! Vampires! If so that 1 CP will be the only CP granted to Balir in the time I have played him. Just wondering.

I am sure it includes you with the 3 points as well.

I will assume that then. Thanks.

I will be saving all the points. Saving up for either strength or more Pickaxe Penchant Advantage (if I am allowed to boost that after character creation).
This message was last edited by the player at 17:05, Thu 16 June 2022.

In reply to Balir Ironhide (msg # 303):

that you can (boost pickaxe penchant)

In reply to Kichiro (msg # 300):

I have been stingy with points. take it

Cool. Thanks

In your defense, in this play format with no session breaks and everything taking so long in player time, it's very easy to forget points awards.  I forget them as a player; Ardenas would still be under 260 points (after seven years of play) if it were up to me to remember when it's time to award experience.

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 307):

All mine good? Options for Aoife?

Also timing for Emma's coming online?

Grohm will use one of his CP to buy Survival: Underground.   I have a feeling he will be spening a lot of time down there.

In reply to Grohm'Tahl (msg # 309):

that works

In reply to Narrator (msg # 310):

Awards for Temple hill crew:
6 points each of the regulars,2pts for Alastrine

With the dragonmen
in addition to the normal swords and one unspecified magic one and the daggers,coin and armor of your foes, you have each got 6 points.

against the baron can all take 3 for now

damned if you do can all take 5,1 for Jolinda for the ride along, 1 extra for Aoife.

I smell silver can do 3 each for exploration

Tavern crew can take 2 each since your last run

trading with trolls can grab 2 each for this part of the run.

crypt crew you get points once the she vsmp is down

faerie 3 for all so far

black tower 3 take 5 each, it has been a while.

TY!

Thank you.  I'd like to spend one to increase my Crossbow skill, raising it to 12, and keep the other in reserve.

I'd like to spend 10 of my 11 unspent points to increase ST -- carrying this heavy pack has finally gained something.

I'd like to make the same ST increase as my sister.

In reply to Elaina Grattan (msg # 315):

Lifting ST is not an option, if it is only to carry a pack?

Ok, so 5 for Shroud, not sure what to spend then on yet, and 3 for Atticus. Probably spend those on the one more racial DR if I have enough.

Could have been, but general ST also boosts HP and (not with this point, IIRC, but with the next) boosts damage.  Reminds me, I need to update the sheets on RPoL after spending points...

In reply to Evelina Grattan (msg # 318):

Ah, that is right...you actually use weapons...

I will mark it down on my character sheets. We're in the middle of some action so I will figure out what I want to do with the points afterwards.

Ah, I will skull-drag all the PMs here...



- Hograth is just looking at spending a single point: Crossbow Finesse: You’ve learned to optimize leverage when cocking a crossbow. If you know Crossbow at DX+1, add +1 to ST for the sole purpose of cocking crossbows. If you have it at DX+2 or better, add +2.

- Moving Aoifes spend to here, from your response I have modified below to

1) Guild Rank 1 (For Quarters) 4 cp upgraded from basic membership.
2) Psychic Guidance (Spider Silk) 1 cp
3) Animal Handling (Suidae) 1 cp Pigs, or was this what the last no was with regard to?
4) Plant form Other 1 cp
5) Shape Earth spell 1 cp
6) Green Death 1 cp
7) Druids Panacea 1 cp

]
This message was last edited by the player at 08:27, Fri 03 Mar 2023.

It seems this might be a reasonable time to spend a point on Intimidation; I'd also like to spend 3 to increase my Energy Reserve (from 5 to 6), and 1 to increase my Riding (Horse) skill to 10 (lots of practice over the past few days).
This message was last edited by the player at 00:22, Fri 10 Feb 2023.

In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 321):

guild membership is a point. guild rank is another 5.only "no hassles" is built into rank.

all mage spells must be learned from a teacher or a grimoire of some kind. Thankfully almost anything csn be learned in town

In reply to Narrator (msg # 323):

Cool, so Christine is looking for a Grimoire or teacher.

What about skills...do they need a teacher?

Emma's questions?

Clerical and druidic spells, can just pray for them?