In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 100):

Having said that, there are some of the older magic users that use 'grandfathered' items and statistics. Hence the confusion and uncertainty.

Probably also explains why he's letting us have named items that grow with us as they are used.  That allows everyone to have a level of magic item more-or-less equivalent.  Might leave the mages a little bit behind, but i get the sense it will even out over time.

oh yeah, suddenly being a mage just plain sucks.

I would disagree.  It is also possible to spend character points on Extra Fatigue.  Combine that, high skill (most efficient, for a long spell list, if you have a high IQ + Magery), and a Power Item, specifically buy up skill in Recover Energy and a couple other key spells (a missile spell and one or two signature tricks), and a mage is a force to be reckoned with, even if they avoid paut aside from extreme need.

Were I human, I'd have had many more points to spend on spells, Extra Fatigue, and high skill level -- though I'd be less able to shrug off arrow wounds, poison, and the like.

It's called Power items.  They've been mentioned several times now.  They're arguably better than Powerstones.




As far as I know it was decided a long time ago, we're using DF/DFRPG rules but allowing off template characters.  Just we have new Players that don't seem to have made characters using DF at all, which I've said a few times is a tremendous flaw in our GM's methods.

It's one thing to 'go off template' but still know what the setting switches of the game are, it's another to make characters wholecloth with no direction from the DF rules...


Powerstones in vanilla Fantasy are expensive, most Wizards can't afford them at chargen.  When they have to make choices between armor, magic staff, other equipment and Powerstones.

Power Items take that hassle out of the equation.  If you can afford any equipment at all you got a Power/Heroic Item.


Not really, they're just a pain in the ass to adjudicate recharge times.  A 'one shot' pool of FP that you can only recharge in town is a lot simpler on the GM's paperwork.




Not quite.  In DF Wizards can't take Enchantment spells, so that was already right out before DFRPG.


No, they're genre related.  Sean Punch (the creator of DF) didn't want to run a game for a group of mumptys hangin out in town enchanting items.  He wanted PCs heading out into dungeons seeking treasure.

So he removed the entire college of spells that discouraged adventure play.

These choices were further refined in DFRPG... and I think he went too far 9but I do get there were also page count consideration in DFRPG).


Power item is for spellcasters, costs $5/FP to recharge between adventures.

Heroic Item* (must be weapon, armor, or shield) is for Weapon Masters, TBaM, and Heroic Archers that need more FP to power themselves in fights.

Psionic Item* is for psis.

Endurance Items are for anyone, but that FP can only be spent on completely mundane stuff, marching fatigue, Extra Effort, sleep dep, lost meals, etc.  No FP draining attacks.  Requires a $1k ritual to turn ordinary piece of gear into Endurance Item.  The Item now actually counts as an Endurance Items and is 'enchanted"... kinda?  Anyway it's more valuable and you can own as many as you want.  The cost $5/point to recharge betweens adventures.


Power Items, Heroic Items, and Psionic Items have no intrinsic value as a "Power Item".  Being a Power item doesn't increase it's value, they cannot be 'bought' as Power Items.

And you can only ever own one of each, and must be able to use the power source (Magic, Divine, Psionic, Heroic).



* Heroic items came from DF 18 Power Items and  it and Psionic Items use... wait for it... Passive Recharging.  Sigh.  1 point per day.






Not even a little.

Except that, under DF, there wasn't an explicit prohibition against NPC enchanters making Q&D items -- +1 Fortify, +1 Puissance, and +1 Accuracy, for instance, Cornucopia for ordinary missiles, and a few other items in the under-100 fp category were almost dirt cheap (at $1/fp) when Q&D was permitted.  An archer who didn't buy a Cornucopia quiver was cheating himself.

With S&S the only kind of enchantment, even a Staff spell ought to cost $625 ($25/fp for 25 fp), hence the exception it enjoys, since wizards need their wands/rods/staves.  IMO, Q&D should have been kept; it would still have low level fighters, for instance, choosing between Accuracy and Puissance, but with a couple points in Wealth at least able to afford an enchanted weapon from the start.

Then again, a Staff that's worth $625 would make a very acceptable power item for most starting wizards...

Except that Power items use an items MUNDANE value, before enchantments...

In reply to Ardenas Barehand (msg # 106):

There was a whiff of powerstones, Spielgud has some that belonged to Flax, also a charging rack, left over from 3e. There are none elsewhere.
Ximmiv was an enchanter pc from before Sean's purge, and he and I had worked out that power item recharging was via the manastone spell. However, after the player left, I gave the character the  50 pt"can charge power item" advantage from DF18. He is the go to guy, and holy items get recharged in Paolo the Pardoner's high sanctity room.
Likewise Charal casts Clean all day from her 1 yard high mana area...

Passively charging psionic items can recover energy faster when next to sleeping elder things. Usually not a safe proposition...but functional here...


As to the off book characters, there are a bunch of 3e players who don't own any 4e, so there are a handful of unpowered characters, along with a l9t built from mismatched templates from DF 15, which I like.

Any idea of how much $$$ the Juniors will get?  ... looks thin w/o Alaric's (assumed) sword.

In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 109):

It is not a huge amount of cash, but that stone...

$10 each, with $10.6 going into the 'house fund" and $5 for Charlene.  This doesn't count the orichalcum cuffs or Alaric's sword or the Wish Stone (presuming it is a Wish Stone).

Good thing I don't have to buy replacement arrows (not that I would have used a lot on this last run).  That'll buy me a couple meals, anyway.  No more broken pies from goblin street vendors for me...

Get a good night's sleep and I'll be ready to go again.  It's good to be young...

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 111):

The cuffs are worth $3000, or $1200 post sale.

Okay, that's more than a couple meals...

Aye.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 115):

I recommend Jocelyn pay 1 point for shape metal, and 1 for the perk "alternate path" which eliminates the need for prerequisites.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 116):

I believe I already have shape metal.... <Shape Earth (Metal Only) IQ/H> by your hand. Don't know that the perk is necessary.

In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 117):

 Thought you were short a point. Take the perk free, it explains the way you learned it without prerequisites

In reply to Narrator (msg # 118):

She has it as a charm...

Another step toward a personal goal: Mario has improved his Bow skill.  Offsets a step of range or part of a called shot penalty.

I've been sick the last week, so I've fallen a tab bit behind on my updating of things...  give me a few days before we do any major moving on?

In reply to Jocelyn Lemru (msg # 119):

Couldn't remember if I had already done that. Thanks.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 122):

In the service of the Omo

Gifts from Sakemoko to follow.
Iskander has a gooq thrusting broadsword and hanger.
Tanaka has a chainmail hauberk sellable for 558 and helm for 90, and a shield sellable for 24.

Points: 4 each

<bows>

Thank you!

everybody in the thread, or just Iskander and Tanaka get 4 cp?