OOC Thread #10: Commandments.   Posted by The Raconteur.Group: 0
The Raconteur
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Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 16:34
Re: Possible Restart
Liseth Thoradin:
I'm not even sure how Racon wants to handle the attempt, so I didn't roll anything yet.  My Diplomacy skill is +16 though.


Racon isn't sure how he wants to handle this either!  :)  Does anyone have any leads on Pathfinder rules regarding trying to persuade a confused person during combat?  Otherwise I suppose I'll have to make up some rules.  But surely this can't be the first time that something like this has happened.
Pisca Neep Freemish
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Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 17:20
Re: Possible Restart
From reading various Google links I get the impression that most folks want to use Diplomacy to convince the people that they are currently fighting to stop.  That, of course, is not what we have here.  But, my impression is that the difference is only one of Attitude.  That is to say, if you're fighting someone, their attitude is likely to be Hostile.  In this case, it may be Indifferent.

As the thread below suggests, to rush a diplomacy attempt involves penalties.  Unfortunately, Paizo is not clear about what those penalties are.  The thread suggests -20 as a holdover from 3.5, but I think that in Pathfinder that's left pretty much up to a GM decision.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mm0y?Diplomacy-in-combat
Cato Crispin
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Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 19:00
Re: Possible Restart
It seems like this falls under "Making a Request" which can be accomplished in 1 round, especially for a relatively simple request versus the "Influence Attitude" which takes 1 minute.

Given that, you can determine the DC, but the guard is probably indifferent or unfriendly, which is a base DC of 15 or 20, then it might even fall under "Give Aid that could result in punishment" because if he lets a bunch of strangers murder a lord, I could see him getting punished.  So that pushes the DC to 30-35 depending on his initial attitude.
The Raconteur
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Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 21:51
Re: Possible Restart
This is a little different than making a request, though.  Liseth actually needs to convince the guardsman that she's on the right side; he's not going to help her if he thinks she's on the wrong side, and right now he's (rightfully) highly skeptical.

So what I've done is create a chart of the guard's attitudes and reactions:

BELIEVER - Actively assists in combat

SEMI-CONVINCED - Will defend attacked party members

NEUTRAL - will defend himself.

SKEPTIC - will attack party members who attack the Foxgloves.

ENEMY - Actively assists the Foxgloves

Right now he is at "skeptic."  Where he ends up depends on how Liseth does on her diplomacy roll.  The DCs are for my eyes only.  :)  Roll away, Liseth!
Hand of Fate
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Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 22:33
Re: Possible Restart
Y'all is gonna kill ya a Magnimar city guard. That there ain't neighborly.
Cato Crispin
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 00:35
Re: Possible Restart
Or we're going to kill someone disguised as a Magnimar City Guard.
Liseth Thoradin
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 01:04
Re: Possible Restart
In reply to Cato Crispin (msg # 316):

He was a monster in disguise!  Why else would we have attacked him?
The Raconteur
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 04:26
Re: Possible Restart
Still need you to make the dice roll, Liseth.  :)
Liseth Thoradin
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 06:51
Re: Possible Restart
Oh!  Oops!  I didn't even see that you had asked me to roll!  Sorry!

23:51, Today: Liseth Thoradin rolled 33 using 1d20+16.  Diplomacy: Influence Guard.

Wow, 33 on Diplomacy!  No wonder why Pisca crowned me Diplomacy Queen.
Pisca Neep Freemish
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 11:33
Re: Possible Restart
Woo!  Go, Lysa!
Kellan Storval
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 11:54
Re: Possible Restart
Awesome, that could make all the difference.
The Raconteur
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 16:28
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Wow, Liseth, lol.  Nice roll!

I have a lot of work commitments this morning but I will move things along this afternoon.
Cato Crispin
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Fri 20 Apr 2018
at 17:46
Re: Possible Restart
Wow, that's a nice roll.  And a huge diplomacy bonus to boot!
The Raconteur
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 06:23
Re: Possible Restart
This easily could have gone so much worse for you guys, lol.  Well done Liseth!
Liseth Thoradin
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 06:24
Re: Possible Restart
Everything we do could easily go poorly for us.  That's why we're adventurers!
Liseth Thoradin
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 08:45
Re: Possible Restart
Hummm...do I continue speaking with the guard?  I feel like I should keep talking to him.  But I kind of also want to heal Pisca and Kellan.
Kellan Storval
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 12:07
Re: Possible Restart
Could I bother you for Cato's result before Kellan goes Racon? Going to see if he can potentially occupy Alderns space.
The Raconteur
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 13:24
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He is not held.  At least I didn't roll this 20 during combat, I guess.

06:23, Today: Secret Roll: The Raconteur, for the NPC Aldern Foxglove, rolled 26 using 1d20+6.  DC 17 Will Save v. Hold Person.
Pisca Neep Freemish
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 14:31
Re: Possible Restart
Liseth, can you perform some sort of burst healing?  That would allow you enough spare time to converse a bit with the guard while healing at the same time.

As for Pisca, she's going to heal herself.  The spell will put her one point into negative after the completion of the act, but the spell itself will bring Pisca up into positive hit point territory.

quote:
Disabled
A character with 0 hit points, or one who has negative hit points but has become stable and conscious, is disabled. A disabled character may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions, but he can still take swift, immediate, and free actions). He moves at half speed. Taking move actions doesnít risk further injury, but performing any standard action (or any other action the GM deems strenuous, including some free actions such as casting a Quicken Spell spell) deals 1 point of damage after the completion of the act. Unless the action increased the disabled characterís hit points, he is now in negative hit points and dying.

Liseth Thoradin
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 22:15
Re: Possible Restart
Well, I cured everyone for 5 points...that was a pretty bad roll.

15:14, Today: Liseth Thoradin rolled 5 using 3d6+1.  Channel Energy to Heal.
Pisca Neep Freemish
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Sat 21 Apr 2018
at 22:48
Re: Possible Restart
In reply to Liseth Thoradin (msg # 330):

About as well as Pisca's doing.

Pisca Neep Freemish rolled 6 using 1d8+5.  CLW.
Cato Crispin
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Tue 24 Apr 2018
at 10:54
Re: Possible Restart
Actually, if this is something like a Doppleganger, itís a monstrous humanoid and therefor Know: Nature, not Arcana. Catoís also trained in that.
Kellan Storval
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Sat 28 Apr 2018
at 14:12
Re: Possible Restart
Hah! I missed Pisca being Pisca, such a good character.
Pisca Neep Freemish
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Sat 28 Apr 2018
at 14:42
Re: Possible Restart
Pisca being Pisca inventing and re-inventing Pisca.
The Raconteur
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Wed 2 May 2018
at 03:59
Re: Possible Restart
Just waiting for you, Liseth.