OOC Thread #10: Commandments.   Posted by The Raconteur.Group: 0
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3552 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 21:27
Re: Happy New Year!
And I'm pretty certain that Pisca would be completely inappropriate for this setting.  I think I might go human for this one.  Or, for a bit of irony, maybe a monster race, if such a thing is available.
Liseth Thoradin
 Human Oracle, 3005 posts
 Deluge of Positive Energy
 HP 42/42
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 21:47
Re: Happy New Year!
I don't know about a monster race: the player's guide warned about including exotic races.  They would take away from the mystery and horror theme of the setting.

I'm looking at the Inquisitive Rogue as a build path.  I like the idea of the Hard-Boiled Halfling Detective.  And the class path feels appropriate to the setting too.
Liseth Thoradin
 Human Oracle, 3006 posts
 Deluge of Positive Energy
 HP 42/42
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 03:34
Re: Happy New Year!
Ooohh, maybe I'll be a gnome!  Turn the party dynamics on their head!

Or a half-elf!  5e gives them a lot of skills.

Really can't go wrong with human either.

Still leaning towards Rogue for class though.  Or maybe Paladin, I haven't made a Paladin in a while.  Or a Ranger!

Waaah!  Sudden onset decision paralysis!

Well, one thing I'm certain of is I don't want to be a primary caster.  I've done a lot of those lately.  So I do know that much!
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3553 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 11:16
Re: Happy New Year!
I've been looking at 5E classes for the inspiration to build a Lovecraftian character.  I think I can fill either the Primary Caster or a Fighter roll at this point.  I'm shying away from Rogue/Detective.  I've played that too often.
Cato Crispin
 Human Wizard, 1556 posts
 Quarterstaff Expert
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 13:55
Re: Happy New Year!
Pisca Neep Freemish:
Ever read any of the Mercy Thompson books by Patricia Briggs?  Set in modern day.  In fact, set only a few miles away from where I live in the Tri-Cities area of Washington State.  The main character is a Coyote skinwalker.  Werewolves, vampires, witches, the fey are all real.  They've been in hiding for centuries, and have only recently, Come Out, so to speak.

Fun bubblegum sort of stuff.  Easy reading.

That's an interesting question.  How exactly do you define the horror genre?  Especially cosmic horror?  I'd argue just having vampires and werewolves isn't necessarily horror, depending on how its portrayed.  I read a few of the Anita Blake novels and most of the Sookie Stackhouse novels.  I don't think those are horror.  More supernatural-tinged investigation/romance.

Cosmic horror especially is about the horror of humans confronting the greater unknown, which might explain why so little of it features other races.  Because it could dull the impact of man confronting the unknown if elves, dwarves, etc all face it too.  Though, from a scientific point of view, if humans and elves can interbreed to produce fertile offspring, they're not really different species per se, right?  And dwarves aren't that much further away, because at least in some settings, human/dwarf hybrids are Muls, sterile like their namesake, but it implies a rather close connection between the two races.  Gnomes, being of fey ancestry, could be different.
Cato Crispin
 Human Wizard, 1557 posts
 Quarterstaff Expert
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 13:57
Re: Happy New Year!
In reply to Liseth Thoradin (msg # 482):

Paladins would interface interestingly with this AP.  Not as powerful as the PF Paladins with the huge bonuses to save against fear, which definitely seem to fly in the face of confronting cosmic horror, but still with some nice bonuses.
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3554 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 14:24
Re: Happy New Year!
Yeah.  Those kind of books don't classify well as horror to me either.  Closer to fantasy adventure.  Though there are sections that attempt to evoke the fear associated with horror, those are mainly there to augment the Adventure side of things.

On a somewhat related note, ever read any Robert E Howard?  Creator of Conan the Barbarian?  As I understand, he was a contemporary of Lovecraft's,and they used to exchange correspondence.  You can see it especially in some of Howard's earlier Conan stories.
Cato Crispin
 Human Wizard, 1558 posts
 Quarterstaff Expert
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 15:34
Re: Happy New Year!
In reply to Pisca Neep Freemish (msg # 486):

I donít think Iíve ever actually read Howard. Iíve read some Jack Vance and Lieber.  Apparently Howard and Lovecraft had a disagreement over whether or not Conan could take on Cthulhu. I think the same is going to be true here. Although at low levels, heroes should be wary of Mythos gods and their servants, eventually they rival gods and can stand up to them.
Kellan Storval
 Human Fighter, 1464 posts
 Miniboss
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 15:37
Re: Happy New Year!
Yeah, interesting conundrum.

I mean you take say, a "deep one" , yeah an average guy with a shotgun might be able to take on a super muscular fish man.

But an Elder God? Humans would be akin to chimps in a little corner of the jungle I would think. Interesting maybe, but never any true threat to the powers behind the curtain.
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3555 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 15:42
Re: Happy New Year!
Fritz Leiber!  I remember the Fafhard and the Gray Mouser books!
Cato Crispin
 Human Wizard, 1559 posts
 Quarterstaff Expert
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 16:55
Re: Happy New Year!
In reply to Kellan Storval (msg # 488):

I mean, even in the canonical Lovecraft stories, like the Dunwich Horror, offspring of Yog-Sothoth are killed by a guard dog (for the more human one), and some small arms (for the less human one.)
Cato Crispin
 Human Wizard, 1560 posts
 Quarterstaff Expert
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 16:59
Re: Happy New Year!
In reply to Pisca Neep Freemish (msg # 489):

I read those!  I got on a big kick a year or so back.  Have you read Jon Peterson's Playing at the World?  Nonfiction, and honestly a bit dry, but a very exhaustive look at the evolution of the RPG hobby, tracing both the roots in fantasy fiction and kriegspiel-german type wargames through miniature wargaming and D&D.  But yeah, I read that, read some more of the "foundational" texts that Gygax used as inspiration, like Fafhard and the Grey Mouser.  It's interesting how the view of what constitutes D&D has changed from the early dungeons of the 70's to something like Critical Role today.
Oh!  I also went to PAX Unplugged in 2018 and 2019, and sat in one the some panels that discussed this same thing.  (And I got hooked on miniature painting, which is fun for my in-person settings but not getting a lot of use right now.)

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Cato Crispin
 Human Wizard, 1561 posts
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 16:59
Re: Happy New Year!

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Liseth Thoradin
 Human Oracle, 3007 posts
 Deluge of Positive Energy
 HP 42/42
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 21:00
Re: Happy New Year!
Cato:
Cosmic horror especially is about the horror of humans confronting the greater unknown, which might explain why so little of it features other races.  Because it could dull the impact of man confronting the unknown if elves, dwarves, etc all face it too.  Though, from a scientific point of view, if humans and elves can interbreed to produce fertile offspring, they're not really different species per se, right?  And dwarves aren't that much further away, because at least in some settings, human/dwarf hybrids are Muls, sterile like their namesake, but it implies a rather close connection between the two races.  Gnomes, being of fey ancestry, could be different.


Considering this, would it be better of we limited our selections for race?  The inter-racial dynamic is really a tertiary thing considering the style of adventure.

The more I think about it, the less small races like gnomes and halflings feel appropriate for playing in a horror setting.
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3556 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 21:49
Re: Happy New Year!
As there are so many choices, I decided to go with more than one.  Throw them at the wall and see which one sticks, so to speak.  I'm not completely finished with the last one yet.  And these are all roughs.  I've thrown in some Our Earth history for flavor.  That, of course, will change with the setting.

What do you think?


Shiu Lin Zhao
Human
Monk (Way of the Mercy)

Hands of Healing
Hands of Harm
Face of an angel
Deadly charm.

Zhao Shiu Lin ranged in high society circles in the Shanghai of the 1920's.  She was reputed to have the gift of healing in her touch.  Among the Chinese, who prize long life, she was much sought after - for her beauty as well as her reputed talent.

In secret, however, she was an assassin for the Triads.


Ezra Chandler the Fire Starting Boy
Human or maybe Half Elf
Sorcerer (Phoenix Sorcery)

The youngest son in the Chandler Business Machines empire.  At the age of nine, he's said to have set his older sister on fire.  Since that time, he's been passed about in occult circles by his mother, an avid fan.  At 18 he has pale and wispy good looks.  Sharp enough of wit, he's subject to bouts of melancholy.  It's whispered that he is a homosexual.


Sir Terrance Carpatius Longley
Human
Fighter (Monster Hunter)

Terrance Longley earned a knighthood for <as of yet unfinished>
Liseth Thoradin
 Human Oracle, 3008 posts
 Deluge of Positive Energy
 HP 42/42
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 05:01
Re: Happy New Year!
Wait, I thought the setting was still in Pathfinder's Golarion?  Isn't that where the AP is set?
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3557 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 10:35
Re: Happy New Year!
Yeah.  I just used Our Earth for speed.  I would have to adapt the background to Golarion later.
Cato Crispin
 Human Wizard, 1562 posts
 Quarterstaff Expert
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 15:59
Re: Happy New Year!
In reply to Pisca Neep Freemish (msg # 494):

Thatís an interesting way of making characters. Is that your usual process?  It seems like it would be difficult to translate old earth to Golarion.
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3558 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 16:34
Re: Happy New Year!
TTYTT, that's not my normal way of creating characters.  But, in this case, so many of my ideas have springboarded from the Lovecraftian setting, and a lot of that has connections with Our Earth history.  Personally, I don't think I'll have difficulty finding analogs in the Galorion world.  Or, find compromises.  The main idea is to put things down on paper - so to speak - and then refine from there.
The Raconteur
 GM, 3027 posts
 Teller of Tales
 Writer of Wrongs
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 16:52
Re: Happy New Year!
Wow, a new adventure!  This is exciting.  :)
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3559 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 17:11
Re: Happy New Year!
Tempted to join?  ;)
The Raconteur
 GM, 3028 posts
 Teller of Tales
 Writer of Wrongs
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 17:25
Re: Happy New Year!
I am indeed!  I believe I even have a 5E PHB kicking around somewhere.  :)
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3560 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 17:38
Re: Happy New Year!
Yeah!
Pisca Neep Freemish
 Gnome Archaeologist, 3561 posts
 The Gnome!
 And Her Imagination
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 18:16
Re: Happy New Year!
These are fleshed out as far as I wish them to be.  Any more work would focus on only one of them, and be aimed at fitting into the campaign setting.

What do you think?  Any particular choice?  They're designed to plug into roles in the group.  Shiu Lin would be a healer - or backup healer.  Ezra would be the primary caster.  Sir Terrence would be a line fighter.  They're each also designed to have a dark side.  The better to confront that dark side when memory returns, and come out the better for it.

Sir Terrence, BTW, is very loosely based on Sir Richard Francis Burton.



Shiu Lin Zhao
Human
Monk (Way of the Mercy)

Hands of Healing
Hands of Harm
Face of an angel
Deadly charm.

Zhao Shiu Lin ranged in high society circles in the Shanghai of the 1920's.  She was reputed to have the gift of healing in her touch.  Among the Chinese, who prize long life, she was much sought after - for her beauty as well as her reputed talent.

In secret, however, she was an assassin for the Triads.  Using her sexual allure as well as a corruption of ancient mystic healing techniques for the purposes of murder and political gain.


Ezra Chandler the Fire Starting Boy
Human or maybe Half Elf
Sorcerer (Phoenix Sorcery)

The youngest son in the Chandler Business Machines empire.  At the age of nine, he's said to have set his older sister on fire.  Since that time, he's been passed about in occult circles by his mother, an avid fan.  At 18 he has pale and wispy good looks.  Sharp enough of wit, he's subject to bouts of melancholy.  It's whispered that he is a homosexual.


Sir Terrence Carpatius Longley
Human
Fighter (Monster Hunter)

Terrence Longley earned a knighthood for his exploration of the seven golden pyramids of the Khmer ancients.  A long-time member of the Royal Geographical Society, Sir Terrence is well known for his countless publications on topics from ethnography, to fencing, to modern sexual mores.  He's been said to be fluent in 23 different languages.

Less well know is that fact that he is the scourge of the local populace on three continents.  A side effect of his ambition is ruthlessness, and he's left a wake of native bodies in the pursuit of his goals.  It is even rumored that he has arranged for the death of a colleague - a white man - who held objections to his methods.  Nothing, however, could be proven.
The Raconteur
 GM, 3029 posts
 Teller of Tales
 Writer of Wrongs
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 19:27
Re: Happy New Year!
I actually do have the 5th edition PHB!

Reading through the Adventure Path player's guide and the PHB, I've been struck by the concept of a charismatic Lore College Bard who simply has too much curiosity for his own good.  After all, how could simply knowing something be a bad thing?  What could *possibly* go wrong?  And then he ends up in an asylum . . . I can see his good-natured, somewhat-naive optimism severely challenged by story events.

He would be a support class, party face, and all-around knower of things.