In reply to Ryan Fox (msg # 204):

He would have used the snarl anyway and I didn’t expect such a boon in shadow claw it just fell that way . Your rolls are good though and have been taken into account the question is what can you all get out of this.

:)

So I don't recall exactly what was on Dark Spark's laptop and don't have access to the thread where I think that information may have been originally posted.

So if I could either regain access or get a copy & paste that would be great.

In reply to Nancy Pride (msg # 206):

Yea getting that…

So, did I get to roll anything or do I just fail to accomplish anything no matter what?

Shadowclaw has great Charisma, Manipulation, Expression and Subterfuge, also some Etiquette. I thought Manipulation + Expression or Subterfuge would be relevant. I have specializations that should apply as well and a merit that reduces my difficulties on all Social rolls.

Shadowclaw also has nearly maxed out Willpower. Probably not gonna do much against an Elder's gift, but just in case. Some gifts use Willpower of the target as the difficulty, dunno if this is the case here.

I don't know, like, I expected something like this to probably happen, but there's something to be said when there's a message like "Ok, now's the time for the 'talkers' in the group to shine" and I thought that included Shadowclaw and that he would get the opportunity to atleast do something.

I most likely shouldn't have written something so long, but... I was bored.

The GM post was also very long, so I guess I missed that part where it said that we should wait. Sorry for that.

Also, Shadowclaw asked for a permission to speak before he did that and in my post, I say that he only continues if he receives it. If Ryan didn't want him to say anything, then he could have just said something through their mental link or something and Shadowclaw would stop. So, might have been better to wait how Ryan reacts to it before posting for Gnuris. If Ryan was cool with Shadowclaw speaking for so long, so why is he harping on him that he did not receive permission to speak from him.

Like, if that was an issue, then Ryan had more than enough opportunity to stop him. So, either he was cool with it until he saw how it ended up or that he was just standing there, not saying anything and only decided to act like a minute later. Ryan should've had any opportunity to react at the very least. No way does he just stand there the whole time if he has a problem with it.

Also Ryan, if you have full Pure Breed like I remember, then you should be rolling way more dice than that, no? Unless your Social attributes and skills are much lower than I thought. Not to mention the Merits you should have.

Well, yeah, that was part of why I did it. Seems that by his reaction to Ryan, Gnuris is susceptiple to flattery.

Just re-read the GM's post and it seems that Gnuris didn't actually give Shadowclaw permission to speak. So, in that case Shadowclaw didn't actually say anything further.

In reply to Shadowclaw (msg # 208):

I do have full pure breed, and forgot it added to social rolls. I should've had 5 /more/ dice, but I'm not sure it matters.

Anyways, just...play along with the instructions I gave.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:12, Sun 29 Jan 2023.

In reply to Shadowclaw (msg # 208):

I think, sometimes, your "dice" don't matter so much as WHAT you say. In other words, if Shadow had said something smooth, and planned out/sneaky with Gnuris, that post would've probably gone over really REALLY well with Shadow's talents. If you take a talented diplomat, however, and say rude things, and jump to conclusions, etc (not saying that about you, just giving a dramatic counter example) it may just go poorly no matter how well you roll, etc.

I don't think Shadowclaw said something THAT outrageous. And this system has difficulty numbers for a reason.

I don't expect miracles, but even if Gnuris himself won't be convinced or atleast moved in some way, maybe one of the other Garou in the room gains sympathy for the pack and the losses we've sustained? Like, we DID do all that. And the packmates of our characters DID die.

They themselves had seen the dead body of Marcus, shich should still be in their care. And they healed Sean's wounds he suffered when fighting vampires, which were severe enough that they resulted in a battle scar. They should know that we are

And in Garou society, your pack is like your family. Any insult to their honor are a big deal, especially when they died in battle against the enemies of Gaia. And accusations of consorting with the Wyrm are a HUGE deal. The kind of thing that results in duels to the death.

Besides, there's all this of them being angry at Shadowclaw for "speaking out of turn", despite the fact that he specifically asked for permission to speak and if he didn't receive it, he stayed silent. Shadowclaw has Etiquette at a decent level, he knows how things go. And I specifically wrote that he will speak only if he reives permission to.

So, either Gnuris and Ryan act like this just because Shadowclaw even asked to be allowed to speak or Ryan and Gnuris gave Shadowclaw permission to speak only to now act as if they didn't.

I think it would be best to hold off any further posting until the ST clarifies this.

In reply to Shadowclaw (msg # 213):

Gnuris reacted to your whole post, and I reacted to him. I of course would react differently if he did. But the Elder's in charge of his sept.

Your primary error here was posting all your thoughts in your post.

You should not have actually SAID anything in your post except "Permission to speak freely?"

Which would then be granted by either Gnuris or myself.

But you posted a massive essay without waiting for confirmation, so you did indeed 'speak out of turn' by not keeping text off the screen till you had leave to post it.

More explicitly, it's more of a 'delete everything in your post except a request to speak' if that's all you want to do.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:06, Mon 30 Jan 2023.

Yes, I probably should have. I said as much. But as I said, I was bored. And I DID write this in the post:


This message was last edited by the player at 11:11, Mon 30 Jan 2023.

ST then wrote a post where Gnuris was apparently enraged at Shadowclaw for speaking out of turn, yet also apparently heard his whole speech without interrupting him, which doesn't make sense. Like, Shadowclaw wouldn't do it and if Gnuris didn't want to hear anything from him, then he would shut him up immediately.

So, if we want to keep things like they are, it would make more sense that he did give Shadowclaw permission to speak, but was then enraged by what he said for whatever reason. Same with Ryan.

Also, I didn't get to roll any dice, just failed automatically. One would think that I should atleast get to roll the dice to see just how much I failed and if I avoided the worst of it.

ST also wrote in his post that "now's the time for the talkers in the group to shine", so I assumed that I can just post whatever I want to say since now's the time for that (because Shadowclaw does have "Talker" stats) , but apparently, not only is now only Ryan supposed to speak at all, but also that my character is accused of something I explicitly wrote that he did his best to avoid.

I don't blame you, Ryan. I probably should've waited. I just want to clear things up with ST.

In reply to Shadowclaw (msg # 216):

Oh jeezecan I address all this in the morning Shadowclaw I will lay your my reasoning for you hopefully it will make sense.

Sure, that's fine. I can wait.

So, everything good? It's been eerily quiet again...

Looks like the Boss can post Sunday/Monday each week so it’s no more quiet than any other week since they came back and falls in line with what they were saying about slow posting.

For a short while there, there was quite a bit going on, which may not be typical.

So I'd probably assume there will be more quiet stretches than not.

I am here, and still happy to post back and forth with everybody. We can fill in the rp blanks with each other in the meantime, but I think with Gnuris it might slow down a little just because we're dependent on the reactions of him (and thus st's ability to post).

Ok sorry about the delay as I said my posting schedule has been greatly hampered.

Shadow claw I didn't need you to roll though you were highly eloquent all that has happened is that you spoke out of turn not only that you question a sept leader as to their honor of caring for the cliaths which would be like accusing a general that he sacrifices his troops recklessly and without thought most generals would not take this well. More to the point Grunis has just taken you up on the opportunity to leverage your alpha and not yourself. Though these things are really inconsequential the possible loss of honor is a powerful tool.

Ryan has made some rolls and one of them gave him the insight that to regain some face with Gnuris required some violence. Gnuris is a GET after all they don't respond to much else, he is also a proven leader and a competent warrior filled with more guile than you would expect.

I'd normally offer up some insight as to how speculative the attack plans for the sept were so Ryan could try to maybe get some wiggle room if possible.

I don't recall if the enemy spiral we captured was directly involved somehow (therefore potentially leading to the plans being altered if his capture is known) or if they just happened to have gleaned the information from somewhere.

I also don't yet have access so I can re-read all that.

Though if the sept is getting attacked nightly anyway, might be a moot point.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:10, Sat 11 Feb 2023.

Ryan is making the case for a siege break. If I get more information on how that was to happen I can edit my post till the GM responds to it.

When we are between GM posts, it is still perfectly okay to chatter on the mind link, or totem talk. Gnuris sees none of that so we can all speak freely.

We should likely restrict it to the Mind Link thread.

The "Totem Talk" was originally for hashing out totem point expenditures.  Probably best not to put IC posts there.

That does leave Natasha out, but she can at least read along.

Though I think she'll be with LG and Shadowclaw back in the other room, so there's potential to while away some time there.

Ah, yeah. It had been a stupidly long time and I forgot which thread was which.

In reply to Ryan Fox (msg # 226):

Except me :P (I'm teasing, its fine)