My thoughts are for 10th level characters, mostly because I think if we go much higher there'd be an impossible or impractical level progression. I could see gaming for two years before characters gained enough experience points to gain a new level.

I've never been a fan of gestalt characters, but I'm not as averse to them in an on-line pbp game.


Sources of companions for Radagast would most likely come from:

- the Dwarves of Iron Hill, of Durin's line

- the Sylvan Elves of Mirkwood who are under the rule of Thranduil

- the Men of Mirkwood
       - either of the Northmen in the far northeastern eaves of the forest, beyond
         Thranduil’s kingdom,
       - or of the Woodmen of central Mirkwood.

- the Silvan Elves of Lorien, possibly as they are not far off

- Possibly even a Fallowhide Hobbit who was on an expedition seeking a new place to
   settle his clan (Tooks or Brandybucks) if the GM allows it.

- Beorn the skin-changer is from that region.
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:12, Sun 11 May 2014.

Here is a set of House-rules for Gestalt that I have used in another game in order to be able to assist both sides as you level up.

Attribute:

roll 21 4d6 and drop the lowest die. You will then pick the best 6 rolls of the 21 rolled for your Ability Scores.

or

Create with a 40 point buy

*Double standard (1, 3, 6, 9, etc) feats. Bonus feats are not doubled.

*Whenever you gain an ability score boost (4, 8, etc) two (instead of one) abilities go up by 1.

*Two extra skill points per level. Eight bonus for first level.

*Starting gold is: 62,000

* Prestege classes MAY be taken simultaneously. But each side must meet prerequisites independently pertaining to class derived requirements. Meaning if you take Monk on side A, and Fighter on Side B. Your Drunken master MUST be on the Monk side, since you need flurry of blows and evasion. No class crunching! You can't take the same class or PrC on two sides to maximize your class choices. I'm already being generous.

*MAX HP at all levels.

*Fractional BAB (Base Attack Bonus) and Saves.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:45, Mon 12 May 2014.

Wow. That's a bit much.

ABILITYS SCORES

The dice rolls... kind of reminds me of the old Unearthed Arcana rule... where you rolled 9d6 for your primary attribute. One friend claimed 'How can you not role an 18!' My reply was: 'It's easy when people are watching.'

Online, I prefer assigned values.

Maybe 18, 17, 16, 14, 12, 11, assigned how you want. If you put both ability increases into one ability, you can increase it to 20.

FEATS

I wouldn't go with double standard feats, if I want to give that many, but just one feat every level. Works out to be the same thing, just less complicated.


SKILLS

No real objection to the extra skill points, other than I don't see the point. I'd probably increase max ranks to level +1 at 5th level and +2 at 10th level. And maybe at 7th level, gain one cross-class skill as a class skill.


STARTING GOLD

Sounds about right.


HIT POINTS

Yeah, online I go with max HP, too. Just remember that the monsters also get that!


PRESTIGE CLASS

That's a given.


BAB

I have no idea how you'd get a fractional BAB...

Hiya, guys :)

Looking at a Monk/Rogue :3

Multitalented: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes.

I'm going to presume we only get credit for one class of the two, even gestalt, though I'd love all the skill points ever :D  as a rogue/monk, I can use all the SP I can get my claws on :D

Just asking for clarification because I'm pretty sure the 'fun' reading of this isn't the 'correct' one :D

<-- Also, this is temporary until my real image is uploaded/ I find it. I'm sure it's in the gallery somewhere...
This message was last edited by the player at 21:48, Sat 17 May 2014.

I'll be your friendly, neighborhood archer.

:)

Yes, you'll only get the +1 Skill Point or +1 Hit Point for one class when you progress a level (but I'll keep this in mind and see how the game goes).

You get all the Class Skills of both clases, but only the skill points from whichever class gives you the most.

Hello all, and thank you for allowing me into the game.  I look forward in adventuring here in the Chronicles of Radagast.

Hello everyone. I am playing Borun, a dwarven monk-sorcerer. I look forward to using my zen meditation to kill the bad guys. :-)

Hi. It is nice to meet you all.

I will be playing an elven swordsman/sorcerer.

So far, it seems like we have a good mix of character classes which should make things interesting. :)

Just wondering what is the
The History

What AGE are we playing in?

The Ages
        1.1 First Age
        1.2 Second Age
        1.3 Third Age
        1.4 Fourth Age

Thanks

*nom* No problem :)

Lady Isile: Sorcerer/Oracle

That's a LOT of spells per day. :-)

Yeah, well it seems that I will be the healer of the party as well.  So most my spells will be aiding those around me

I guess I'm our mobility specialist.  ^^;

Azurak the Blue are we allowed to alter the Character sheets some, it doesn't give a space for Race bonus Stats and Level Stats.  Unless you just want us to add them into the Primary Stat list.

Sure, you can alter the character sheets to include more information.

Hello everyone, glad to see the roster all filled up.

I must say as an after thought if I were to go back in time and re-request this game again I would have requested that it be a low magic game as is the world of Middle Earth.

I am not asking anyone to change their character concept in any way, as it is too late for that, I would however ask that if you are so inclined to look at your character and possibly find creative ways to lessen the dramatic use of magic. (This is not even touching on the notion of Dwarven spell-casters).  With the amount of magic in this game one might not be able to tell that we are in middle earth and not Abeir-Toril (the world the Forgotten Realms takes place).  And our spell casters will outshine Gandalf's magical displays shown in The Hobbit and the entire Trilogy of The Lord of The Rings, any magical feats from The Silmarillion, the 12 or so Histories Books, the lost Tales, etc in one, very short no doubt, "combat" scenario.

For Example, I chose for Elured to be a Ranger/Magus.  Originally I felt two spell casting classes was to much to believe, so went with a Spell-less Ranger class.  Then when I got to the spell selection portion of my Magus side could not believe the acts my character would be able to preform.  My small spell list looked like this:

0 - Ghost Sound
0 - Light
0 - Mage Hand
0 - Open/Close
0 - read Magic
0 - Spark

1 - Enlarge Person
1 - Expeditious Retreat
1 - Keep Watch
1 - Obscuring Mist
1 - True Strike

2 - Alter Self
2 - Fog Cloud
2 - Invisibility
2 - Levitate
2 - Spider Climb

3 - Burst of Speed
3 - Fly
3 - Haste
3 - Wind Wall

4 - Dimension Door
4 - Paragon Surge

Some of them like Expeditious retreat, True Strike, Burst of Speed, Haste, and Paragon Purge could have easily been played (in my view) without suspending believitability in the setting.  But spells like Fly, Levitate, Dimension Door, etc... well, I couldn't see it in Middle Earth.

I opted to create an archetype based on the Arcana Lord's ability to syphon spells and turn them into Arcana Points.  He could choose which he would do, cast a spell or convert it into points to run his Magus Arcana's.  What I altered was that he lost the ability to cast the spells in exchange for a larger Arcana Pool and more Magus Arcana's.

These are the Magus Arcana he has:

At 3rd level:

- Athame Knowledge (temporarily gain a feat which improves your weapon)
- Eldritch Athame  (change weapon into another weapon)
- Warding          (grant enhancement bonuses to armor)

At 6th level:

- Enduring Arcana  (increase duration of weapon enhancements)
- Enduring Warding (increase duration of armor enhancements
- Prescient Attack (deny enemy their dexterity bonus)

At 9th level:

- Black Blade Riposte (if successfully attacked when he triggers an AoO, he gains an
                       AoO against the one who attacked him.)
- Hasted Assault      (enact a Haste effect)
- Versatile Combatant (temporarily gain a feat that improves his combat ability)

With an Arcana Pool of 30 points.

His "Magic" is very potent but yet seemless and undetectable (except perhaps changing his sword into a bow).

Again, I am not saying I want anyone to do anything but create the character they wish to play, I am only asking that you keep the setting in mind and if you feel like it, try and work within that setting.  What's most important is that we have fun, and if everyone chooses to be an Elminster then I will adapt my vision of Middle Earth.

Kind of something someone should have said earlier ^^;

That said, I'm a Monk/Rogue, so I don't have a ton of magic moves, except in the form of some items/ rogue talents/ninja skills I could take, and I've been pondering through those. I plan to model the monk-y skills and Ki powers (which are relatively subtle for the most part, as vaguely elf awesomeness :3

I'm pretty sure I'm not the biggest offender :P

Well, keep in mind that Gandalf was a conservative wizard in his old age. He was more apt to keep most of his magic in reserve. Young guns, not so much.


I can tone it all down a bit by putting a few consequences on the use of magic... nothing major, but something to make characters think twice before letting off spells maybe. For instance, using magic might attract the attention of Sauron...

We'll just have to see how it plays out.

That is a big killer on my part, for all I have is spells.

Well,I'm sure spells can still work, I think he's just wanting people to be mindful of  the feel of the setting :3  your supporty angle could definitely still work :3

Interesting...



To be honest, I haven't even started looking at spells yet but I will do my best to keep the setting in mind. Less visible spells suit the character concept better anyway.

On that note, I am still in the process of working on certain aspects of my character's personality. So while we are speaking about character creation, would it help the group more if I focused on social skills or knowledges? Has anyone specialised in either field already?

Small magic is fine, as it is usually subtle and not always apparent.

Big magic could cause problems.


Don't think of it as a 'big killer'; think of it as a role-playing opportunity... cast Lightning Bolt and then go run and hide before Sauron finds you!

Lol.

Playing hide and seek with Sauron sounds fun!

Hello everyone :)

10 characters!  A big group!

A bit, yes :3 bit surprised I'm the only rogue. not upset by that, just surprised :3

when you add in Gwyn's familiar, her pet and her summons that is 13! :P

Is it a friendly pet? :3

It's a big celestial dire lion that is 15 feet long and weighs 3500 pounds!  But he has a 7 int and 16 wis and neutral good alignment so yes, unless you're an orc, then you might be on the menu...

Does he like passengers? I'm not terribly heavy ^^;

Hi all new girl here. Could anyone explain to me how I do my base att, svs, ect, w/ two characters?

you pick the best one of the two, so whichever class save is best, use that value, whichever has best attack value, use that one, whichever class gets the most skill points per level, use that one, and so on...

In reply to Gwynhwyfar the Fair (msg # 36):

ahh ok thx

I actually chose my character's classes, because I thought the character would fit well in the milieu.

Personally, my vote (if I get any) would be to be more lenient in accepting spellcasting.  Yes, I can see it straying from canon, but I think the game might become boring if we are not ever encountering enemy spellcasters, as well as monsters with such spell-like abilities.

Actually, most monsters are non-canon.

In reply to Aerethion (msg # 38):

 I am 6 ranger/4 arcane archer/ 10 master of masks.

 Maybe should have done druid instead of ranger oh well?

In reply to Gwynhwyfar the Fair (msg # 33):

Wait, you're playing an Arcane Heirophant?

Oh well, as long as you keep Azlan away from me we're fine.

I'll be playing a Half Orc, though technically he'd be anywhere between a quarter and half, depending on the exact composition of his Uruk-Hai father. Don't ask, it wasn't pretty but mom killed him.

I'll be playing a Druid|Witch and as such I think I can fly under the radar with my spells.

In reply to Arad Marahellon (msg # 40):

I changed 6 fighter/ 4 arcane archer  5 Druid/ 5 master of masks

Hi everyone new. :) A half Orc in Middle Earth could be interesting (the reaction should be much akin to that of characters playing drows in other settings). I originally considered playing a neutral good half Orc barabarian but decided to go for my elf in the end.

As for the large group, it may be easier to split us into 2 smaller groups.

I'm fully aware that being a Half Orc on Middle Earth could cause issues, especially since he can't fully condemn them, both hating them and being intrigued by them. His mother taught him to hate them for what they did but he can't help but wonder how much of himself he recognises in the orcs and how much orc he is.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:06, Sun 18 May 2014.

Elured nice history but I think that family tree is missing a person.

For Lady Irimë did have a daughter named Isilë.  My history is missing out of your wonderful information. :-)

Actually, I like the idea of a Half-Orc in the party, it will make for some interesting dynamics. :)

Since we are on the subject of lineage, Ehrendil is the (unmentioned) youngest child of Elrond and Celebrian.

Isile and Ehrendil, you have both been added to Elured's lineage.

Isile is Elured's neice and Ehrendil is his Great Grand Nephew.

As for splitting into 2 groups.  It could be possible that the Keeper's of Kelvar and Olvar are split into The Keepers of Kelvar (protectors of the Animals) and the Keepers of Olvar (protectors of the Plants [including Ents]).  Sometimes they work in conjunction if both their mandates are threatened in the same place.

This is strictly up to the GM though, just throwing idea's out there.

Ehrendil, Elured has next to no social skills so if you want to be strong in that area, go for it.

Although my traditionalist senses reject the idea of a Half-Orc hero in Middle Earth, it is a fact that Orcs were once Elves captured and tortured by Sauron until all that remained are what we know as orc's.  It would make more sense if your other half was Elf, not Man.

I character returning to his Elven heritage after thousands of years of being lost from it has a certain nobility around it that I find interesting.

I guess best to put out in the open, cause I'm sure others been asking in PM.

If one has Craft Item feat, can we buy our items at cost?

In reply to Elured (msg # 47):

While that is an interesting way to look at it, my character's background is actually even more muddled, when it it comes to creation.

His father was Uruk-Hai, so a human Orc hybrid of sorts. Add to that his Rohirrim mother and you have an odd mix indeed.

EDIT: Actually, after looking into it a bit more, I'm making him the son of one of Sauron's Half Orcs or Goblin Men, a quarter orc as such. Mechanically nothing changes.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:56, Sun 18 May 2014.

I have craft posion and posion expert feat. For lacing my arrows.

so it looks like we have lots of sorc and ranger characters!

In reply to Gwynhwyfar the Fair (msg # 51):

yes my bow is my main weapon, but I have many other abilities too. Druid spells, strong fighting, and 5 masks that I can wear 4 at once which have spells, sneak atts, cone of fire, Mage spells, preist spells, & an angel mask.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:45, Sun 18 May 2014.

I am a weapon :3

In reply to Wren (msg # 53):

And with my enhancements you would be even a more dangerous Weapon

*mumble* I'd like to learn more about elf-magic... I guess if you have to cast it on me to show me...

I will be a melee character. I am vaguely considering switching my second class to something that will enhance this and offer more subtle magic (sorcerers aren't really meant to be front line warriors).

In answer to Elured: No one else has answered and Charisma would work quite well so I will probably go with that if I don't change my second class. I quite like the separation that you proposed for separating the group into defenders of plants and defenders of creatures.

maybe a favoured soul?  more melee oriented class with a solid healing/evoker background...

Actually, I do like the favoured soul class (though as far as I know, there is no pathfinder version for the class).

Basically take the Oracle with a melee focused mystery like Battle or Metal if you want a Favored Soul like character.

I had actually started looking at that as a solution.

...But I wouldn't get the level 17 wings. :P

Growing wings is fun but jokes aside, it would probably work quite well.

In reply to Ehrendil (msg # 60):

 Magus is a great class.

In reply to Ehrendil (msg # 60):

You'd have to go Dark Tapestry, Flame or Wind for Winds for wings. Sorcerer also does it though, Celestial if you want angel wings.

Thanks, I was half joking about the wings, they are fun but don't really suit the setting or character concept.

I checked out the Magus class (as does the Battle Oracle) and it does seem suited to what I was planning in terms of a melee caster though we already have a ranger/Magus.

To Elured: Are you a ranged Character? If so, our abilities shouldn't overlap too much if I do take magus as my second class.

To Azurak: When would you like us to finish our characters by?
This message was last edited by the player at 16:55, Sun 18 May 2014.

I'm currently fiddling with my Feat and Rogue/Ninja Talent selection and Magic Items.

I'm interested in nabbing Vanishing Trick -> Invisible Blade: Spend 1 Ki Point to cast Invisibility on yourself/ Greater Invisibility @ Rogue Level CL.  It occurred to me that it might be a bit...  One Ring-y... so, Taking general community input on the idea.

On the upside, my Monk/Rogue Skills alone, when combined witht he Hunter's Surprise advanced trick alone could let me, 1/day, declare a foe my Prey, do my full flurry of blows on them for 4-5 consecutive sneak attacks, then follow them and hit them again before the end of my next turn for more sneak attacks...

Once per day, but something like this is for when it absolutely, positively has to die NOW :3

I didn't have any specific time/date in mind for finishing characters. I was planning on putting up a starting post sometime today, and then players can join in as they finish their character sheets.

I'm actually thinking of grabbing 2 levels of Ranger on my Druid end and go grab the Shapeshifting Hunter feat, making Druid and Ranger levels stack for both Wildshape and Favored Enemy.

As for feats, if I go that way Shapeshifting Hunter is one and Natural Spell is another I'm sure of.

By the way Azurak, would you be ok with the Scarred Witch Doctor archetype on the witch end?

A shape shifter would be like a Beorning...

Without being limited to bears, yes.

Azurak the Blue think this slipped past you.

No, having Craft Item feat won't let you get a magic item at cost. That represents role-playing and since you're all jumping in at 10th level without really doing the role-playing to get there, it just wouldn't be fair to everyone else.

Sounds good to me, I should be mostly done by tonight.

If you do start a thread I will be glad to start role playing the mysterious Lady Isilë.

Remember elves in ME tend to be quite tall, Galadriel is 6 foot 4 and most males from the first age are 7 feet tall or taller.  Aragorn is 6 foot 6 and Borhimir is 6 foot 4.  Men in the first age were close to 7 feet tall.

Unless they were using shorter rulers... :-)

       A curt, yet distant voice can easily be heard coming from yonder depths of
impenetrable woods  . . .

          "Alae tul acharn!"

Tolkien and Aragorn equated greater height with greater character so make your elves tall! :D

Hi all!

A nice party we have here.

Another rogue~!

It's getting crowded here :)

OH I was thinking the same.  IF we don't make two groups we can surely make three now..

aye. Hrm. do people want to start maybe divvying themselves up? I figure since Anna andI are the two rrogues, we can go separate ways to split up  our Ninja Skills :3



Isile, want me in your party? ;3

5 in each group!

To Ehrendil: Elured is both a Swordsman and an Archer and is very good at both.  I have laid out my Magus's magic earlier in this thread.  I doubt they will overlap.  You can never have too many archers in a group, as long as they each are good at something else entirely different as well.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:27, Sun 18 May 2014.

You know it.. so you can get a few Elven Spells cast on you.

are all the characters aware of each other or will it be the same quest with different people/threads hidden from each other?

oh my!  an elf with a beard!  half elf? :D

So, I'm doingmy magic items, going to be flavoring to fit my image/settinga bit, but right now, here's what I've got, though I am definitely seeking advice and suggestions;

13,000 - Monk Robe (+5 levels for AC, Unarmed Damage, +1 Stunning First use/day)
16,000 - Separate Items +2 Str, Dex, Con, Wis
12,000 - Boots of Speed
 5,200 - Vest of Escape (Includes magic lockpicks and bonus on escape artist)
 4,000 - Amulet of Mighty Fists +1 (using it for Ghost Touch, or another power)
 4,000 - Cloak of Resistance +2
 2,000 - Ring of Protection +1
 1,000 - Bracers of Armor +1

Leaves 4,800 for tools & supplies

750: Magic Weapon
xxx: Some Shuriken ('Elven Leafbiters' :3)

Can you think of anything else I should probably grab?
I may save 8,000 and drop the Strength and Con items, since those are kind of secondary for me. Advice welcome :)

Well you can hand the rest over to me and I can buy something nice for myself.

Thieves don't give their gold away :3 hehe

Besides, pretty much all of my goodies were forgotten treasures recovered, nothing outright bought. I may be part elf, but I don't have any true connection to my father's name or bloodline, and that could be a thing, if some of you elven genealogists want to try and figure out who my father was :3  I, as a player, have no idea :3

Yes a Half-Elf

Actually 5/8 Sindar 1/8 Maia 2/8 of the House of Beor

so, we get to turn a skill at 7th levle into class skill..  My choices are few: a knowledge skill, fly, heal, handleanimal, spellcraft,or survival :D

why not take ring bearer? :P

OH I will be skilled in most Knowledge just so you know.  I just found this out when doing more work on my character.

but yeah, I just realize dhow insanely amazing my jump skills are.

So, look at this:
6 mod +12 ranks = 18 skill modifier

now, when jumping, I...

1) Get +level to the check for +10
2) Get +4 per 10 feet my move speed is over 30 (+12, before consumable activations raise land speed further)
3) If I skill mastery this, I could just Take 10.

that right there is 40 feet of jump distance before taking 10 (50 after doing so)  and I have consumable effects that could  make it even greater;

Spend 1 ki point for +20 on the jump check (High Jump) is +20 feet
Spend 1 ki point for +20ft movement speed for 1 round generates +8 more
Using 1 round of my boots' haste gives +12 more, with 30ft extra land movement.

using all of those things, I can jump 80+roll (90 on a take 10) feet, since all my jumps count as having a running start and thus aren't halved :D

potentially could raise this with my ki pool for 1 ki +8 and using a turn of boots of haste for +12 more)


Who needs eagles?
yeah. Wow. Such Leap. Very Far. Much Matrix.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:55, Sun 18 May 2014.

Every group needs a savage. Davis is a totemist (3.5 barbarianish class that manifest powers bestowing magic it's that theme around monstrous beasts-masks, hides, claws and the sort.  Each gives him a state or skill boost or attacks and abilities.)/fighter.
Davis lived in the woods for his life and eagerly rose to their defense.

Well met all. I'll be the second half-orc in the game. Likely in a different group from the first. I am a ranger/fighter with an emphasis on two-weapon fighting. Please don't mind my friend Reuben. I know wargs can be intimidating but I promise he's harmless so long as you don't threaten me. He's been very protective of me ever since I saved him as a pup.

I haven't even started working on my skills yet.  It will be done by tonight or tomorrow night most likely

So is he a Woodman of the Wilderland?

General question

Does anyone know if you can use your Dex mod in place of Str mod for combat maneuvers? With Weapon Finesse?  or is there some other method?

This message was deleted by the player at 23:59, Sun 18 May 2014.

Sorry to be a party pooper, but this isn't quite right.

The monk's speed boost is an enhancement bonus. The boots of speed use a haste effect, which is also an enhancement bonus, so the two effects do not stack.

The ki abilities require swift actions to use, and each only lasts one round. You can only use one swift action in a round, so only one ki ability can be activated.

I advise you to drop the strength and con items.

In Pathfinder, you'll need to buy the belt of physical perfection, which will add +2 to those stats.  It costs 16,000 alone.  You can't buy separate items in Pathfinder.  The +2 to Wis (Headband of Inspired Wisdom) will set you back an additional 4,000gp.

you have a heward's handy haversack?

Sorry, it seems that I was wrong about dex and maneuvers. This is the feat you want for dex based combat maneuvers:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/...ile-maneuvers-combat

had a feeling I'd need to buy exception to that. blargh :P

Tell me about it. So far I have spent three feats (Weapon Finesse, Dervish Dance and Agile Maneuvers) and two skill points to (perform: Dance) to change my combat stat from strength to dexterity. Lol.

It's expensive but it will make my character fight like an elf rather than an orc. :)

At least you can get Dex to your damage :3

I'm actually discussing whether I can get the monk bonus feats expanded to include  some other improved/greater maneuvers. hee, Greater Steal :) I take your stuff and you can't even notice :3

Or Combat Reflexes, Greater Trip, Vicious Stomp :3  I knock you down and keep kicking :3 Thievin' ain't easy.

Lol. Remind me not to get on your bad side. ;)

Yeahh.. don't get me started :3

cast charm person on both of them to see what would happen! :P

Good luck, my will save is astronomical :3

On the other hand, Wren wants to learn more about elf-magic :3

I'm confused. You're such a nice person. Why did you bother casting the spell on me? :P

Egads!

       So many of my peers hath already posted on the 'Red Leaf Inn Thread', and
I still find myself working frantically on Haldir's character sheet.  I've put a
lot of time and effort into the task already, yet I still have much to do!  Do I
need to start panicking yet!  Am I the only one still plugging away at trying to
finish up my character?

       I don't even want to make an attempt at composing a campaign post until
Haldir is of a whole mind, and body . . . not to mention having a complete set of
learning experiences to guide his actions, no matter what he happenstances upon
. . .   

I'm sure those that are posting like myself are still working on their character sheet.  We don't expect to be fighting so soon so this is all role playing and getting to meet each other somewhat I take it.

That's it exactly!

I'm not sure I actually have a single completed character sheet yet. Been answering questions all day!

I admitted our 15th player, and closed the game for new players. So we're looking at 3 teams of five.

While I hope we don't loose any players, RL often causes attrition, so the teams may get adjusted as we go.

That's good to know, I was worried too. I still need to write my character's description and background before I can post comfortably.

PS: I'm one of the question culprits. Thanks Azurak. ^_^

I didn't realize Wren was going to be this scary when I started her XD; haaha.

In reply to Ehrendil (msg # 115):

Same, I need more time to finish the character.

I have something like 18 feats to select so mine will take a minute to complete as well. I do have my whole backstory written out. Just debating whether or not to post it for all to see as there's very little of it anyone would know and what little they might would be from a very different viewpoint and/or context than it's written.

About the manoeuvres and agility: Weapon Finesse allows you to use Dex for all weapon based manoeuvres. That means Sunder and Trip with a trip weapon, Disarm with a disarm weapon, Grapple with a grapple weapon(there is 1 I believe), etc, etc. You'd still need Str for every manoeuvre that doesn't use a weapon.

GM's Said Finesse (Unarmed) would cover it for me :3

My main maneuvers are Disarm, Steal, and Trip :P

Ok, not scary at all then (I wildshape, means nothing to steal or disarm, and I fly, no tripping).

I don't know if I was too harsh there, but Sky doesn't really feel like an elf :3 She feels like a barflyin that post. "Hey, does anyone wanna get drunk withme~!?" XD; haha

No offense intended, Sky, but I'm trying to help keep the elven misique in here :D hehe.

Lady Isile: In your description you have her mother as Irime but have the father listed as Unknown.  You may have missed my suggestion earlier that in the history I created for Elured, his twin brother married Irime and fathered Isile (Elurin fell in love with Irime when she was held captive by Oropher (Thranduil's father) as a prisoner of war after the Sack of Doriath. Irime is half-sister to Feanor who with his sons made a pact to retrieve the Silmaril in Dior's possession and killed him and his wife Nimloth. Dior and Nimloth were Elured and Elurin's parents.)

If you wish to, you can put Elurin as Isile's Father, making Elured her Uncle.



                                Finwe - Indis
               _______________________|______________
              |        |         |         |         |
           Findis  Fingolfin  Anairë   Finarfin    Irimë - Elurin
                                                         |
                                                       Isile

Indis was Finwe's second wife.  The Sons of Feanor are Finwe's grandsons of his first wife Miriel.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:11, Mon 19 May 2014.

Enjoying the post you two are doing. Can't post in game right now but will later today. On iPhone reading this all at work and laughing.

If anyone wishes to weave their character into the Geneologies of Middle Earth let me know as I am quite knowledgeable in the setting and its History and the people who live there.

Does anyone have advice on feats for a dex based melee character? The character will be focusing on critical mastery and shock attacks delivered via his weapon. The feats don't necessarily need to be combat orientated if they add flavour (For example, feats linked to the character's elven heritage).

So far I have this but can't seem to find other feats to fit the build:

1: Weapon Finesse: Use Dex to hit
2: Metamagic: Intensified Spell
3: Metamagic: Heighten Spell
4:
5:
5b (Magus):
6:
6b (Samurai): Lunge: +5Ft Reach, -2AC till next turn.
7: Dervish Dance (Scimitar): Add damage using dex
8: Improved Critical (Scimitar): Doubles threat range
9: Critical Focus: +4 to Confirm criticals
10:Metamagic: Preferred Spell (Shocking Grasp)

PS: I could add ranged focus but don't feel that it fits the theme.

Dervish Dance covers  Dex to Hit and damage  with scimitars.  No Need for Weapon Finesse.

Thanks. Unfortunately, Weapon finesse is a prerequisite for DD. It's a useful feat so I don't mind too much.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:26, Mon 19 May 2014.

derp. right :3 Sorry~!

Fun idea: Consider Sundering feats - since it's based on your damage output (and I think you can critical constructs, now?) you could still slice weapons and armor apart?

Correct me if I'm wrong.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:29, Mon 19 May 2014.

Elured: know anything genealogy wise about a female elf who disappeared anytime between 100 and 26 years prior to the current date? If so I'd be happy to make a minor change to my character's story to fit more neatly into the setting and history.

Ehrendil: Piranha Strike! It has weapon finesse as a prereq and offers the benefit of power attack for light weapons, though I'd make the argument it could be used for any finessed weapon (seek GM approval on that, though). Beyond that you've pretty much tapped all the finesse specific feats that don't apply to other specific weapons. If you are only using a single sword and no shield there is a scattered array of feats I might recommend. Basically anything a swordlord might take that doesn't apply specifically to the dueling sword. There are both offensive and defensive feats for the single weapon/free hand style.

Wren: You can critical constructs now, among a few other previously immune creatures. However, you can't critical objects such as weapons and armor. I'd make any sunder based decisions with that in mind.




It was exhausting but I think I finally finished my character sheet. Soooooo many feats. Not only am I masterful at two-weapon combat but I'm fairly good at disarming and way ahead of the curve at mounted combat. I'm also a passable archer though it's not a preferred method of attack.

Thanks Ro'Kath. I will ask the GM about piranha strike. I will be using a one handed/no shield combat style. It would be great if you could forward any relevant feats.

I know what you mean about feats, I think that it's the first time that I have struggle to spend my feats rather than having to discard feats I want. Lol.

Other feats to consider: Monkey Lunge and Sorcerous Strike. It's looking like the single weapon/free hand style feats I was thinking of are all archetype and prestige class options rather than actual feats.

Thanks. Mostly, I am quite happy with the build I have so far  I definitely want 20 levels in Magus. My only issue is that the Samurai class has a moderate Mount related aspect to it (while I see the character as more of an infantry type fighter).

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats

In reply to Ehrendil (msg # 133):

You could always use the sword saint archetype for samurai. Does away with the mount and gives you iajutsu a few times per day. You'd want to take feats that capitalize on initiative and quick draw for sword saint. It's awesome when you get to use it. Can be truly devastating.

Hello :)

Supporting songstress here.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:03, Mon 19 May 2014.

Hi! Awesome song there, Faelostiel :D

Thank you, Wren. :D

Perhaps, soon, I'll sing of your deeds.

Welcome to the life in Middle Earth.  I'm sure you will enjoy it.

Oh Elured, I think there is a slight error in your information on the family chart.  I just realized something.  That my mother was not married to Elurin.  There is very little about her and I was trying to keep it like that.

For my mother is the daughter of Finwë.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/%C3%8Drim%C3%AB

Thanks.

probably any orcs or spiders we meet won't really ask about genealogy, they are just hungry...:D

Sure, we could sing!

No charisma. No perform! But we could sing.

I'm still fiddling a bit with my skill list, but I think I've finally finished my feats/tricks list :D

I feel bad for anyone who upsets Wren :3

Feats

Race: Skill Focus (?)
Monk: Stunning Fist 10+1/day, (Stun 1 rnd, Fatigue, Sicken 1 minute)
Monk: Improved Unarmed Strike (Armed when unarmed)
Lv1: Weapon Finesse (Unarmed)
Monk1: Combat Reflexes (Dex Mod) AoO's/round
Lv2: Combat Expertise (Take -2 to hit for +2 AC)
Monk2: Dodge +1 Dodge Bonus
Lv3: Mobility +4 Dodge VS AoO's for moving
Lv4: Ki Diversity -> Dim Mak (1ki: Stunning Fist atk is Melee Touch)
Lv5: Crushing Blow (Stunning Fist can reduce AC by Wis Mod for 1 minute)
Lv6: Improved Steal (+2, no AoO)
Monk6: Improved Trip (+2, no AoO)
Lv7: Vicious Stomp (You make AoO on adjacent foe going prone)
Lv8: Gang Up (You flank if 2+ allies are adjacent to an enemy, regardless of your position)
Lv9: Greater Trip (+2, and Tripped foes Provoke)
Lv10: Rogue Trick: (Invisible Blade or Skill Mastery:6)
Monk10: Greater Steal (+2, enemy won't notice theft until after combat/trying to use stolen item)

RT2: Ki Pool (+1/2 Wis Mod Points)
RT4: Vanishing Trick: 1 ki to go invisible for (level) rounds
RT6: Snake Style - +2 sense motive, Unarmed can deal piercing, can use an immediate action to use a Sense Motive Check as AC VS an attack.
RT8: Trap Spotter - auto-perception roll within 10 feet of a trap\
RT10: Hunter's Surprise (1/day, target adjacent enemy is your prey and all your attacks VS them until end of next turn are Sneak Attacks.


Anyone have any recommendations/suggestions for improvements?
This message was last edited by the player at 17:36, Mon 19 May 2014.

In reply to Faelostiel (msg # 138):

Wait, you have... horns?

O.o

In a fashion, Master Dwarf :)

In theory they're curled Maple branches but, surprisingly, I could nay find a picture of a woman with tree limbs sticking out of her head.

I may still change this, though, if it be too outlandish.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:59, Mon 19 May 2014.

Nah, it's fine :3 I'm wearing a giant butterfly of +Wisdom! :P

In reply to Elured (msg # 123):

Sorry just seeing this.. there has been so many posting in the OOC I just got lost.

But we can play it out that I was born before the marriage.

Sky Sheer'enn I noticed you keep mentioning your character as a Night Elf.

What are you saying ... you are a DROW?

In reply to Lady Isile (msg # 147):

No. Maybe thats from another game I applied for, but it sounds neat so whynot use it?

Ok so what is a Night Elf, so that the Elves of this game can understand.

I was about to react a bit different if I took it as a Drow.

Yeah, I wasn't really sure how to deal with that or with her acting kind of like a human gawking at an elf :3 hehe

Wren came off a bit more closed off and reserved because of it :3
This message was last edited by the player at 18:20, Mon 19 May 2014.

Egads!

        I still have to choose Haldir's (3) 'Magus' Arcana abilities, buy his
equipment, select his 10 feats, write up his description, as well as compose
his background.

Just stopping in to say hi.

In reply to Borjnen Boulderol (msg # 152):

Greetings

There is no such thing as a night elf in Middle Earth.  Closest would be a dark elf (Moriquendi) and that does not equate to a drow.

I guess seeing that I am Moriquendi she wanted to be like me.  :-)

But still I guess we are playing with Pathfinder and Middle Earth and trying to mix the two worlds.  Which would be very interesting.

In reply to Wren (msg # 142):

Interesting build, I think it is fine, can tell what I will use (part of it at least) but not sure if you want this combo.

Skill focus intimidate
Enforcer or Power attack + Cornugon Smash
Dazzling Display
Shatter Defenses

As monk you can hit with bludgeoning non lethal very easily, so Enforcer for unlimited debuff after the first hit. Shatter defenses for unlimited flat footed and sneak attack.

As far as genealogy goes, Arad's mother is related to king Theoden. Think something like second cousin.


What rules are we using for animal companions and the such by the way? Earlier on I read about a celestial dire lion companion but in PF rules that's impossible. Not so much the Celestial, as Arcane Heirophant and Improved Familiar would take care of that, but the Dire Lion part. It would simply be a Big Cat companion fluffed as a lion.

In reply to Anna the Red (msg # 156):

Sounds awesome :D I'm not a strength/charisma rogue, though, so I won't be using those.

On the upside, a lot of my powers can help the rest of the party unload more hits/hit better.

Crushing Blow can let me drop AC on an enemy by 6, (and I can bypass armor  to deliver it with Dim Mak), plus I can Trip people - and whenI do, allies who threaten the victim get an AoO on them - and I get TWO on them :D hehe

In reply to Lady Isile (msg # 155):

Pathfinder = mechanics

LotR = everything else (culture, heography, history, etc)

Here is the only reference to a Dark Elf in LotR:

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dark_Elf

hiya :)

In reply to Borjnen Boulderol (msg # 152):

A dwarf hill giant?

O.o

is there a class called giant slayer that requires that the specific type be named?

FYI - If you're looking at subtypes of Giants in Middle Earth you have two choices; Stone Giants and Tree-Giants (Ents).

Too all the Ranger's out there: What are your Favored Enemies?

My character has the Dual-Style Ranger Archetype of the Spell-less Ranger which limits Elured to 1 Favored Enemy.  He chose Orcs.

Just wondering what diversity we have for tracking and taking down different evil creatures of Middle Earth.

Orcs, Trolls, Goblinoids

There are goblinoids, aren't there?

Maiar
 Balrogs
 Istari
Dragons
 Sea-serpents
 Stone Dragons
 Cold-drakes - those who could not breathe fire
 Fire-drakes (Urulóki) - those who breathed fire. Both included:
 Long-wyrms - legless dragons
 Legged, non-flying dragons
 Winged dragons
Men
 Corsairs of Umbar
 Haradrim
 Easterlings
Orcs
Trolls
 Cave-trolls
 Mountain-trolls
 Stone-trolls
 River Trolls
 Half-trolls
 Olog-hai
Wargs
Were-wolves
Vampires
Giant Spiders
Mirkwood spiders

Humanoid (Orc), Vermin(everything spider, among others) and Magical Beasts (Wargs and more)

       Wot ho! Doth such a choice also include the more dreadful Uruk~hai too?

This message was last edited by the player at 21:17, Mon 19 May 2014.

Uruk-Hai are Orcs so I'd say yes. Just like picking Dragon would give all the types of dragon.

Favored Enemy is a mechanics thing. You can dress it however you like but it's still a mechanic.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:19, Mon 19 May 2014.

         Egads!  I don't sse Barrow Wights, Hell Hawks, Oliphaunts, or Ring-Wraiths tither!

Surely ents are plant creatures? Like treants?

Ooo! Nice list of monsters! Didn't remember all of those!


As for Dark Elf, as someone said, it's a mechanics thing. So Moriquendi, Dark Elf, Night Elf, Drow... these are just different names for the same thing. How you define it might only affect archetypes.


Orcs are goblinoids, as goblins (and be extension hobgoblins) are a sort of aberrant (or degenerate), or lesser, orc. Just as the uruk-hai are 'greater' orcs.

Per lotr.wikia, the creatures fought in Moria were goblins (i.e. in Balin's tomb and before the bridge of Khazad-dum).

Wargs would actually likely fall under animal for type. The closest parallel in pathfinder is the dire wolf. The worgs in pathfinder (which is a magical beast) is much smaller than LOTR wargs, not to mention them being sentient speaking creatures (which wargs definitely are not). Oliphaunt would be an animal as well, probably using the stats for mammoth minus anything specific to their fur or cold climate adaptation. Vampires along with barrow wights would fall under undead. Not sure where ring wraiths fall but death knight is probably the closest parallel there, which would make them undead as well.


My favored enemy choices are humanoid (orc), animal, humanoid (goblinoid). If goblinoids and orcs are being grouped together here I guess I would drop the odd one and pick up vermin.



Elured: Where did you find the spell-less ranger? I also chose to go spell-less  for thematic reasons but the skirmisher archetype leaves much to be desired for everything you give up with even the ranger's limited spellcasting. If there's a third option (trapper ranger being the second) I'd love to see it.

Well, the idea is that Wargs, while not being able to talk, are in fact intelligent and do communicate with one another in their own language. As such they'd be Dire Wolves with an upped Int and as soon as an animal's Int goes above 2 it becomes a magical beast.

EDIT: Unless it's an animal companion, but that's another can of worms.but that a weird loopy thing.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:37, Mon 19 May 2014.

Nevermind Elured, I found it.

So, is the spell-less ranger approved then GM? Since it's not an official Paizo published class/archetype? If so, can I change my sheet accordingly to take it?

Yes, you can change your character to a Spell-Less Ranger. The Adventure hasn't quite begun yet.

If anyone has a spare feat slot and plans to set up flanking I would recommend taking the Teamwork Feat: Outflank.  Elured has it and is also a Crit finder so that both parts of the feat are of use.

dunno if I can squeeze it in, but if I can, mebbe :3

Either way, I have synergy with an ally  and you using that, since I have Gang Up, which lets me get flanking as long as two allies are in some way adjacent to the target.

In reply to Wren (msg # 180):

Outflank (Combat, Teamwork)
You look for every edge when flanking an enemy.

Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +4.

Benefit: Whenever you and an ally who also has this feat are flanking the same creature, your flanking bonus on attack rolls increases to +4. In addition, whenever you score a critical hit against the flanked creature, it provokes an attack of opportunity from your ally.

After looking over everyone's character, this is what I've come up with for groups. It's not carved in stone yet, but I was trying to fit classes into the different concepts here, and then balancing everything else.

Keepers of Kelvar (animals)

Aerethion (Elf; fighter/ranger; master of the bow)
Davis (Human; barbarian-totemist/fighter)
Elured (Half-Elf; ranger/magus)
Ro'kath (Half-Orc; fighter/ranger)
Sky Sheer'een (Half-Elf; fighter-arcane archer/druid-master of masks)


Keepers of Olvar (plants)

Arad Marahellon (Half-Orc; cavalier/sorcerer)
Faelostiel (Elf?; piper/witch)
Gwynhwyfar the Fair (Elf; druid/sorceress)
Haldir (Elf; ranger/magus)
Lady Isile (Moriquende; sorceress/oracle)


Keepers of Silence (troubleshooters)

Anna the Red (Human; summoner/rogue)
Borjnen Boulderol (Dwarf; barbarian/hill-giant-fighter)
Borun Redbeard (Dwarf; Monk/Empyreal Sorcerer)
Ehrindil (Elf; samurai/magus)
Wren (Half-Elf; monk/rogue)


Not sure how accurate this data is as a lot of players are still tweaking their characters, so it will probably change.

Also, the teams weren't set up with any sort of balance, but how I felt they fit the theme.

Looks fine to me except now I'm the primary healer, so I need to change my spell list a bit. NP

I'm slightly hesitant to party alongside a Monk / x and an x/rogue, since that's a lot of covered ground, but at the same time, I don't strictly mind it, either, it looks like a fair group, and I'd rather be in the troubleshooters group as is, I think :D

still, i think Wren's different enough from the others that it'll work.

Awe and here I thought you wanted to get to feel some Elven Magic... :-)

In reply to Lady Isile (msg # 185):

Could switch Wre w/ Ro'Kath then we wont have 3 rangers & the other grp will have one? That would even it out better I think, but I'm just a silly female elf.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:37, Tue 20 May 2014.

Gwyn is a human, I'm still working out the sub-classes of the classes, I just got the pathfinder text!

I actually wouldn't mind tagging into Plants group, to be honest. I think I'd get along great with Isile, and the group seems a bit dry on melee fighters.

In reply to Wren (msg # 188):

Either way its not up to me, but we got 3 rangers and Troubleshooters have 0, and we might need a rogue?
This message was last edited by the player at 03:55, Tue 20 May 2014.

No offense to you, but switch Arad Marahellon (Half-Orc; cavalier/sorcerer) with Wren (Half-Elf; monk/rogue).

No offense to fellow in Bold
This message was last edited by the player at 03:56, Tue 20 May 2014.

I know the lists were made with specific character themes and priorities in mind (and I agree with the assessment of the groupings if based solely on that). I think there's something to be said for both chemistry and party balance, though. My personal opinion is we should be grouped together first based on which characters seem to get on better, second with an eye towards party balance, and third with concern to character goals/motivations with these three being balanced as best as reasonably possible in that order.

In reply to Lady Isile (msg # 190):

And Plants have 3 sorcerors too.

In reply to Ro'kath (msg # 191):

Says the Half-Orc... LOL

In reply to Lady Isile (msg # 193):

 Honestly I dont care. I'd rather be posting IC cause I love to play.

I intentionally put the 3 rangers in the group that deals with animals because they are more about animals, whereas the druid deals more with plants.


All the suggestions are valid. I'll switch it around and see how that looks.


So who isn't playing well with others?

In reply to Azurak the Blue (msg # 195):



I'm sure you are right, but for everyone's interest. I am not a drow. I just choose to use that name for my people. My elf people have been somewhat in hiding in the mountains, so thats why I haven't been around my cousins before. I'm not evil or act like the drow do.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:12, Tue 20 May 2014.

The Cavalier|Sorcerer isn't up to date, I'm a Druid|Witch these days.

As for the groups, he'd thematically fit the plant group quite well. He also is a bit of a gish, flitting between range and melee.

I don't have a strong opinion, but it may be more fun to have characters with different strengths working together. Having three rangers in a group may be thematically accurate, but it might be more fun for those players if they weren't all trying to do the same role.

Similarly, it might be more fun if the "minority" races were in different groups. Perhaps swap me with Gwynhwyfar. This would bring more variety in the Olvar group and bring better healing to Silence.

I think we will need a healer in our troublemaker group.

It may also be worth considering posting rates, seperating the groups by their desired posting rates.

okay she is a Barding of the People of the Lake and she is a Starsoul Sorceress so she might have some connection to the Valar or the elves as a result of this connection with the stars...

In reply to Gwynhwyfar the Fair (msg # 201):

What is your race my dear!

Human, of the Barding/People of the Lake Culture, Smaug burned down most of the town of course....

       I wouldn't mind an established and consistent posting rate, yet I might
add that the regularity of our posts shall be somewhat dependent upon Azurak the
Blue . . . Wouldn't you agree?

Yes, it will depend on me... and time zones, and RL issues...

I can usually post several times a day, but there are just days that manage to slip by due to errands and such or just being to tired to think straight.

I'm hoping that'll start to even out some...


But we can always ask...

What is your posting preference?

1/day
2/day
3/day
4/day
more/day
other

And the corollary that always comes with that, will you be bothered if the posting gets ahead of you by a day or two?

In reply to Azurak the Blue (msg # 205):

I can post all day and love to. Sometimes I wish I ould find a GM who is like me & play a solo game.

not more than 2 a day with a group because people can get lost in the posting if one person can post all day and others only get on first thing or late in the evening

I'd prefer a game with 1-2 posts per day.  Over the years, those are the games that I've found last the longest.

I third that, once or twice a day works for me.

Comply to the twice or three times a day

I can post once or twice a day.

I can aim for 1-3 depending on the people I'm writing with :3

So far, everyone seems happy with a 1-2 posts per day, so that doesn't seem to be an issue with the groups.

So here's a revised group list. There's now a ranger in every group, and a druid (healer) in every group. I've got one more player still trying to figure out his character, so hopefully he'll fit into the Keepers of Olvar.


Keepers of Kelvar (animals)

Anna the Red (Human; summoner/rogue)
Aerethion (Elf; fighter/ranger; master of the bow)
Borun Redbeard (Dwarf; monk/empyreal Sorcerer)
Elured (Half-Elf; ranger/magus)
Sky Sheer'een (Half-Elf; fighter-arcane archer/druid-master of masks)


Keepers of Olvar (plants)

Gwynhwyfar the Fair (Human; druid/sorceress)
Haldir (Elf; ranger/magus)
Lady Isile (Moriquende; sorceress/oracle)
Wren (Half-Elf; monk/rogue)


Keepers of Silence (troubleshooters)

Arad Marahellon (Half-Orc; druid/witch)
Borjnen Boulderol (Dwarf; barbarian/hill-giant-fighter)
Davis (Human; barbarian-totemist/fighter)
Ehrindil (Elf; samurai/magus)
Ro'kath (Half-Orc; fighter/ranger)
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:43, Wed 21 May 2014.

Applause Azurak the Blue

In reply to Lady Isile (msg # 214):

I like this

Looks good to me :3 sorry, I'm still stuck on what to do with my magic items, but aside fromt hat, and actually getting everything organized in a comfortable way on the sheet, I'm ready :P haha


IE, gott amove everything for like 5 handwritten pages, to the sheet on here XD;

Looks good to me.

Keepers of Olvar (plants)

Gwynhwyfar the Fair (Elf; druid/sorceress)  Did she change her Race?

Nope was always a human character

        Methinks we hath a shape-shifter in r'e midst!

In reply to Azurak the Blue (msg # 213):

The groups look good to me.

A post rate of 1-2/day works well for me.

I should have my character finished by tomorrow afternoon.

I assume that anyone from the region of Mirkwood would know who Elured is and most likely have had some interaction with him, especially of characters of our level, most of his history would be common knowledge as many a bard sings of his story and many heroic deeds.

In Summary:

Elured was born near the end of the first Age. He and his brother Elurin were abandoned (at the age of 6) in the forest of Doriath by the invadiing Son's of Feanor who were seeking to claim the Silmaril in Dior's posession. (Dior being Elured's father).

Elured and Elurin survived for 86 years alone (unbeknownst to them, under the watchful protection of Iarwain Ben-adar [AKA: Tom Bombadil] before he left Beleriand and settled permanently in the Old Forest).  The twin's were found by Oropher on his exodus from Beleriand to Mirkwood where he made his kingdom.  Oropher fostered them in a similar fashion as Elrond fostered Aragorn.

In the second age Elured accompanied Durin's Folk and then met up with and joined his best friend Amroth's forces to the War of the Elves and Sauron.  Almost 2000 years later he joined Oropher's Company in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men.

When Oropher died, Elured and Elurin's fostering passed on to Thranduil (making them foster brothers of Legolas)

In the third age Elured took up the role of ambassador between Thranduil's Realm and those Realm's in the vacinity (The people of Dale, Durin's Folk of the Iron Hills, Silvan Elves of Lorien, and Beorn the skin-changer).  He married Nimloth and the bore twins, a boy (Melethron) and a girl (Melethril).

He accompanied his Great Nephews, Elladan and Elrohir, to the Redhorn Pass on Caradhras in the Misty Mountains to rescue his cousin (their mother) Celebrian from Orcs and also accompanied Durin's Folk to the Battle of Nanduhirion.  He also journeyed to the Shire to assist in the invasion of the wolves and Orcs which crossed the frozen Baranduin river.

Myrtle (sans turtle)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrtus_communis

Chipmunk (sans nut)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipmunk

Greetings All!

        I just wanted to give everyone an update as to how much I still have
to complete concerning Haldir's character creation.

        The following things still needs to be addressed:

        -  I still have about 9000 GP's to spend.
        -  I still need to choose 7 more feats.
        -  I'm currently about half way through composing
           Haldir's description*, and I haven't started to
           write his backgound as yet.

       I've been putting quite a bit of time on getting Haldir completed,
       but its not easily done being that he's a very complicated Elf!


       If all goes well, I'll try and post on the Red Leaf Inn thread
       some time today.  Well its time for me to sign off for a while
       as I now have to go and take care of some business, and take care
       of several chores.


       * In the wee hours of this morning I was working on Haldir when I
         lost my connection.  I tried everything I could to get back on
         line as I thought I could correct it.  However I was wrong . . .
         and after several system restores, I came to realize that I could
         not fix the problem.  After having learned that the DNS server was
         having problems, I went back to bed grumbling!  It wasn't until
         later this morning that my computer was back on line.  Things are
         slow going for me anyways since I'm still using a phone modum to
         get on line.

         * =  Egads!  I just hope that my current approach in composing
         Haldirs description meets my peers expectations, as well as
         that of Azurak the Blue.  If you're curious as to what I've
         done so far, you can always click on my character's Icon in
         order to find out . . .
This message was last edited by the player at 14:09, Wed 21 May 2014.

every toughness feat gains him 10 hp, that might help some :D

In reply to Azurak the Blue (msg # 213):

Hmm animals instead of trouble makers? Fine, I am wondering what we will do.

Welcome to the Keeper's of Kelvar, Anna

Lets also not forget:

Crebain
Dumbledors
Dwimmerlaik
 - Barrow-wights
 - The Dead Men of Dunharrow
 - Phantoms of the Dead Marshes
 - Ringwraithss (Nazgul)
Gorcrows
Gorgun (Woses)
Hillmen
Hummerhorns
Kraken
Mewlips
Neekerbreekers
Winged-Beasts (Nazgul winged-mounts)

How about the Watcher in the Water (near the secret door into Moria)?

That was a Kraken

Hmm, trouble shooter now? Must say that actually looks like the most problematic group to me. So far it's more or less a group of weirdos, by lotr standards at least. That and so far it seems the everyone in the group group is either melee or a switch hitter.

In reply to Arad Marahellon (msg # 231):

 Did I miss something about Tokens?

I think he's referring to whether Radagast gave you a chipmunk, a sprig of myrtle, or a feather.

That is precisely what I was referring to Aerethion. Thank you.

Sky Sheer'enn:

In reply to Aerethion (msg # 57):

 Sky raised her eyebrows in a way to let Ro'kath she really didn't know what tokens he was speaking of? "Tokens? Ro'kath I don't know what you are refering too? I'm sorry. And of course no thanks needed. It would be an honor for me to speak for you. I would have almost anyones back no matter what race he or she is, as long as the person was worthy of my attention. You even having just met you seem like myself in many life aspects. We both love the woods, we feel at home there, I think you love animals as I do, and I despise others who pick on people who just aren't the same as themselves. Our Gods and Goddesses have made us all differant for a reason and I am devout to my Goddess. I am not that person who goes around trying to trecruit others to join me in worshiping my Goddess, but I pray often and uphold the beliefs and the goals my Goddess wants us lesser beings to accomplish in our lifetime." ,Sky explained to her hopefully new friend.

 "Ro'kath may I ask if you enjoy the company of animals? If so then I'd like to introduce you to Nightshade. He is outside now, since I wasn't sure if it would be proper to bring him inside?"

To Sky: Of what goddess, godesses and gods do you speak of?  There is only one god of Arda and that is Eru Ilúvatar.  Are you referring to one of the Ainur who were Valar [Lords of the Valar: Manwë, Ulmo, Aulë, Oromë, Mandos (Námo), Lórien (Irmo), Tulkas / Queens of the Valar: Varda, Yavanna, Nienna, Estë, Vairë, Vána, Nessa?]

The Valar are not Gods (Although they were worshipped as Gods by Men).  Sky is an Elf and would know the difference.

The Valar are more like Angels, servants of Iluvatar, and Elves would view them more like Patron Saint's.

Elured is a servant of Orome and Vana.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:10, Thu 22 May 2014.

so what do you think of a background Elured?  with her sorc background of star gazing powers? :D

In reply to Gwynhwyfar the Fair (msg # 236):

Hey Gwyn... can you clarify... I'm not sure what your asking

Hello, everyone! Just building a character at the moment... I don't suppose anyone has taken any teamwork feats or plans to?

Stealth Synergy or Shake it Off could be pretty useful if we all get it.

With so many players and so much posting, if I miss something in the other thread, just let me know!

In reply to Elured (msg # 235):

 Sorry Elured I have watched the trilogy, but I don't know a lot as it seems the rest do. Just take that post as I was refering to the 2 gods u mentioned.

I'm sure this has already been thought of, but when the three groups do split off soon I think they should each get their own thread. Things will be much less confusing that way. Much easier to follow.

In reply to Tatharion (msg # 239):

I had intended to take outflank but my build as I have it now does not allow for it... although I can gain the temporary use of any combat feat I have the prerequisites for, so I couldn't gain stealth or shake it off but could gain outflank or any other teamwork feat that is also a combat feat.

Correction, upon re-reading the ability there is no stipulation that the feat must be a combat feat, it simply must augment his combat skill.  This still does not allow for Stealth or shake it off but it opens up his choices considerably.

        Can an ELf get drunk?

        I don't recollect anywhere in my readings of Tolkein's works of an
Elf ever having gotten drunk.

        However, in one of the LOTR's movies Legolis and Gimli have a
drinking contest in which the Dwarf lost.  After all the ale that had been
consumed, Legolis never got drunk, whereas Gimli passed out cold.  On the
other hand, the Elf thought that mayhaps one of his fingers had felt some-
thing.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:56, Thu 22 May 2014.

Tolkien's elves are extremely resistant to poisons, disease, as well as temperature extremes.  They are not totally immune but their resists would be something akin to +25 for saves to poison and disease and they would have a 10 inherent resistance to temperatures.

In reply to Gwynhwyfar the Fair (msg # 245):

Bard's geneology begins with Girion (Born: T.A. 2770), next in line is an unknown character who fathers Bard I, [Note: I would contend that there may have been at least another 6-7 unknown characters below Girion, as Bard I was not born until 2977, 207 years following Girion.  Men in this harsh world most likely had a life expectancy of 50 years or less and most likely did not wait until their twilight years to procreate, more likely they would have had their children in their late 20's to early 30's.

This gives you plenty of latitude to create your own geneology under Girion running parallel to Bard's line of Lineage.

As for a connection to being a Starsoul Sorcerer.  I would say that Ilmare (A Miair and the handmaiden of Varda (Her name means "Starlight", from the Quenya word ilma.) procreated with one of these new descendants.

Varda (She is an Ainu) is concerned with light. She made the stars, filled the Lamps of the Valar with light, collected the dews of the Two Trees in her Wells, fashioned the newer stars and constellations in preparation for the Awakening of the Elves, hallowed the Silmarils, established the courses of the Moon and Sun, and set the Star of Elendil in the sky.

I would contend that whichever descendant of Girion you create at some point met Ilmare (much like Thranduil met and procreated with Milian who too was a Miair) creating a line of humans with Miair blood of a Miair associated to Varda, through Ilmare, which would lend to a bloodline infused with Star magic.

Soon after said descendant of Girion's child is born, Ilmare is recalled back to Aman (The land across the sea where the Elves go to which is home of the Valar) by Manwe for reasons of his own that are not known to those of Middle Earth leaving said descendant to raise this new "Starchild" on his own.

Let me know if that works for you.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note: The Valar were the fourteen (fifteen including Melkor) Ainur who entered Arda after its creation to give order to the world and combat the evils of Melkor. They helped to begin the shaping of Arda through the music of Ilúvatar and often referred to one another as brother or sister. Each of the Ainur added his or her own part to the music creating the world incarnate. All except Melkor. His vision of what Arda should have been was different than Eru's. This led to the casting out of Melkor and his great rebellion that caused so many of the ills of the world of Arda. The Valar originally dwelt on the hidden Isle of Almaren, but after its destruction, long before the Awakening of the Elves, they moved to Aman and founded Valinor.

The Valar were powers of the world created by Ilúvatar, or Eru, who rarely directly intervened in the world's course of events. They were part of the Hierarchy of Spirits that is a major part of the Tolkien Myth. Eru (the One), also called Ilúvatar by the Elves, was the Creator. The angel-like spirits he created were the Ainur, which comprised the Valar and the Maiar. The Valar were the greatest of the Ainur, but the Maiar were also spirits whose being began before the world, of the same order as the Valar but of less degree.

Though less powerful than the Valar, the Maiar were powerful nonetheless, and included Melian, Sauron, Olórin (later known as Gandalf) and the other Istari, the Balrogs, and many others. A Maia would often associate himself with a particular Vala. For example, Ossë and Uinen, powers of the oceans, served under Ulmo, while Curumo (later known as Saruman), served Aulë the Smith. Sauron also served Aulë before he was corrupted by Melkor.

It was originally Melkor's intention to rule Arda for himself, but Manwë called other spirits to help him confront Melkor. Among these were the other Valar and the Maiar. Melkor withdrew from Arda, and the others continued their creation of the World. But Melkor saw this, and returned to fight for control of Arda.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:14, Thu 22 May 2014.

I would like to suggest a renaming of the Keeper's of Silence.  Kelvar and Olvar are Quenyan words for Animals and Plants (living things, not self mobile)

Quenyan for Silence is din(e) pronounced dinew

So they would be the keepers of Dine (or Dinew so as we can see it as it is pronounced)

Note: I guess this takes Ents off the list of Protected beings by the mandate of the Keepers of Olvar.  Upon further readings, the Ents themselves were created as Guardians of Olvar and are thus allies to our cause.

Sky: I believe it is you who is playing a Dark Elf.

I would like to suggest perhaps that you are called a Dark Elf because your branch of Elves took up residence in the Dark Lands, A continent to the South, also known as the South-Lands.


Although it states that Elves and Dwarves did not live there, it may have just been that their talents at staying hidden and undetected lent to their escaping notice in the history books.

This would lend to your having more freedoms in displayiing your differed culture and lack of knowledge of what Elves of Middle Earth would know.

Of course this would have to be acceptable to you and the GM and I only mention it as a creative option to explain your unfamiliarity with the LOTR setting.

An alternate reason that Dark Elves populated the Dark-Lands:

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elves - see Awakening:

About the same time that Varda, Queen of the Valier, ended her labors in creating the Stars, the Elves awoke beside the lake Cuiviénen. The first things they saw were the stars, and henceforth they adored them. The first sound they heard was the flowing of water, and henceforth they loved water as well.

They made speech then, and called themselves the Quendi. Melkor was the first to be aware of them, and he caused evil spirits to go about among them. When one or a small group wandered abroad, they would often vanish. It is believed that Melkor may have created Orcs with the elves he captured.

I would like to posit that Melkor took whatever Elves he captured to Morodor.

The Silmarillion states that Orcs were Avari (Dark Elves) captured by Morgoth (p. 50, 94), their minds and bodies distorted and corrupted.

Perhaps a faction of Avari escaped Mordor before they were corrupted, fleeing South through the Hitherlands and perhaps with the aid of Great Eagles escaped to The Dark-Lands.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Eagles:

The Great Eagles are said in The Silmarillion to have been "devised" by Manwë Súlimo, leader of the Valar, and were often called the Eagles of Manwë. They were sent from Valinor to Middle-earth to keep an eye on the exiled Ñoldor, and also on their foe the evil Vala Morgoth and later his lieutenant and future Dark Lord, Sauron.

The Ruler of the Avari of the Dark Lands could as easily be Morwë.  One of two clans of Elves that refused the summons of the Valar to go to Aman, preferring to remain on their Island paradise away from the troubles of the world around them.

Does anyone in the Kelvar group particularly want to get a teamwork feat?

In reply to Borun Redbeard (msg # 252):

You have a summoner and a druid there, it could be nice for them to give teamwork feats to their eidolon or companion.

In reply to Borun Redbeard (msg # 252):

Although Elured does not have any Teamwork Feats in his static build he can temporarily gain access to the following Teamwork Feats for at least 5 rounds, some he might be able to keep in effect for 10 minutes:

• Back to Back
• Coordinated Defense
• Coordinated Maneuvers
• Enfilading Fire
• Escape Route
• Look Out
• Outflank
• Precise Strike
• Seize the Moment
• Swap Places
• Tag Team Fighting
• Tandem Trip
• Target of Opportunity
• Team Initiative

If any of my teammates have any of these feats we can work out command words they can shout out in battle to set up and innitiate any one of these actions.  It only takes a swift action for Elured to gain access to any one or two of these feats.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:34, Thu 22 May 2014.

So!  :)  Is everyone ready to have a good night's sleep, breakfast and off to questing in the morning? :)

In reply to Elured (msg # 254):

Hmm, the teamwork feats seem a bit... weak. Of those that you list, team initiative is reasonable and lookout is okay.

Is there anyone else who is prepared to take either of them? If we have three of us with the team initiative feat, we would have a good chance of all three of us going first in every combat. My character has a +10 initiative bonus.

Elured has a +11 Initiative, +13 when Underground and +15 in Forests

Damn, that's fast!

Anna, Aerethion & Sky: you should consider getting the team initiative feat - especially if you have a low initiative modifier.

I believe I'm set to be in the Olvar team and with probably 2 or 3 companions that's easy places for teamwork feats to show up.

Should at least look into Stealth Synergy, if everyone picks up stealth it would be great to have a whole party that can actually be sneaky. Usually you end up with one or two that can sneak and they have to go off by themselves or have a wasted skill.

Elured's steath check is +20

We are in Kelvar, sorry. (For what it's worth, Borun has +19 stealth.)

I finally made my initial post after catching up with the thread!

I have not finalised the character and still haven't bought equipment, hence some of the details are still vague but I now have enough to work with.

Unless the GM decides to change the groups around, I will be in the troubleshooter team. I look forward to the group splitting into a manageable size.

Elrued, I am not a dark elf. But thats a great idea u have. My background is that my clan of Elves have been in hidding inside a mountain. Next to a forest down in a valley. So yes I will take your idea if u don't mind?
This message was last edited by the player at 01:42, Fri 23 May 2014.

In reply to Sky Sheer'enn (msg # 263):

So, you are playing a dark elf?  If so could you add it to your bio line?

I like the 2nd explanation best.

In reply to Elured (msg # 264):

 No I am not a dark elf. Thats just what out clan is called.

In reply to Sky Sheer'enn (msg # 265):

So then what type of elf is sky?

Quendi, Eldar, Avari, Vanyar, Noldor, Teleri, Nandor, Sindar, Laiquendi, or Silvan?

If you are using the "elves captured by melkor, escaped mordor, migrated to the Dark lands, and were unwilling to travel to Valinor to stay in their forest island than she would be an off shoot of Avari.  They might call themselves Dark Elves but other elves would call them Nullarin Elves.  Nulla being Quenya for dark.

In reply to Elured (msg # 266):

Ok I have only seen the trilogy movies so I'm not as knowledgeable as you all. Whatever you think is fine by me? Thx. for your help.

I am only knowledgable because I have read the trilogies at least 3 times, the hobbit twice, and the silmarillion once.  I have the atlas of Middle Earth, the complete guide to Middle Earth, the Beastiary of Middle Earth, a guide to tolkien, meditations on middle earth and the unfinished tales... oh and lets not forget the largest and easily accessed source of information... Google!

AND.... you are played by Steven Colbert, the man who out Tolkien'ed the Tolkien expert Peter Jackson hired to be the technical adviser for the LOR trilogy! :P
This message was last edited by the player at 04:08, Fri 23 May 2014.

Just a heads up... tomorrow is looking like a busy day for me, so I may not get the adventures started until either late... or more likely Saturday.

In reply to Azurak the Blue (msg # 270):

no prob its a holiday weekend

Yeah, gives me more time to make my character!

Aerethion's standard init bonus is +14.

Move it to +16 in plains, and to +18 in forest.

Aerethion's stealth bonus is +20 (more in favored terrain), and he doesn't have a cloak of elvenkind!  :)

Did everyone but me take improved initiative? Where are those high bonuses coming from? Did I miss a class feature you're counting Aerethion? I have your Stealth beat but I do have a cloak of elvenkind (I described it in detail in my intro) and still not by much.

Would you consider getting the team initiative feat please? With your extremely high initiative, we would have a good chance of all acting first in combat.

Yes. Improved initiative is a really useful feat for spellcasters, rogues and archers. Battlefield control, sneak attack, full attack against flat-footed enemy. And the slower enemies have a harder time achieving those effects. Acting first makes a huge difference.

Initiative is less important for melee specialists, who really need to get a full attack for maximum value. But even for them, not being flat-footed is helpful.

Borun's base Dex: 16
Belt of physical perfection: +2 Dex
Improved initiative feat
Reactionary trait

Total: +10

There are also a number of Third Party feats that improve init. You could theoretically add your Str, Int, and Wis to your Init besides just dex.

Wait, can we take 3rdbi party things as well?
Anna has low init, around 20 sneaking.

In reply to Anna the Red (msg # 279):

I have a few that was approved. So yes.

Well I think I will win any Initiative roll

Surge

School enchantment (compulsion) [mind-affecting]; Level bard 3, cleric/oracle 3, sorcerer/wizard 3

CASTING
Casting Time 1 swift action
Components V

EFFECT
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target one living creature
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Will negates (harmless); Spell Resistance yes (harmless)


DESCRIPTION
You infuse a target with energy. The subject of surge increases his initiative count with a +20 insight bonus for the duration of the current encounter. If cast on the same subject in the same 24 hour period, this spell fails.

Any one init roll / day :3

You coul dmake others win subsequent init rolls :D hehe

The fallback with that spell is that it's a swift action. You can't cast it till your first unaided initiative comes up in the first round. Add to that it can only be used once per day per person and the value versus other spells you could prepare is pretty thin.

I don't see that feat listed under Pathfinder.  Can you point me to a source?

In reply to Ro'kath (msg # 283):

Oh if only you knew what other spells I can cast.  But still how many fights do you think you would be in in a day.  I find that one is good enough for me.

OH and did I forget to mention adding this to it.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/...ll-metamagic---final
This message was last edited by the player at 17:20, Fri 23 May 2014.

<a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/3rd-party-feats/kobold-press/teamwork-feats---3rd-party---kobold-press/team-initiative-teamwork">Teamwork initiative</a>

Ack, I didn't realise that it is actually in a third party publication: The Cavalier's Creed.

In reply to Borun Redbeard (msg # 286):

Hmm, I don't know why the hypertext didn't work in that post. It worked fine when I wrote it in a test.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/...-initiative-teamwork

In reply to Lady Isile (msg # 285):

Quicken spell only makes casting a spell a swift action. That spell is already a swift action so it would do nothing. Basically, that spell only makes you act sooner starting in the 2nd round of combat  or in the uncommon instance of there being a surprise round you act in the 1st round after the surprise round. For a spell geared towards acting first 3rd level is way too steep when weighed against the other buffs and offensive spells available since either you're already before the enemy or the enemy has already gone at least once before you can use it. As to number of fights in a day, in my experience it's actually common to see two or even three encounters in a single day. I've been in games where we had numerous in-game days with four or five encounters even.

Well Ro'kath thanks for your input but I will be casting the spell to help the Party/Group that I'm in.

The Ents probably just need help rounding up a lost dog that is running around the woods, peeing on the trees (and them). :P

The Ents are too slow to catch dogs.

This all makes sense now.

JRR TOLKIEN REVEALS THE TRUE MEANING OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS! :)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...the-t_b_5373529.html

The only Teamwork feat that's on my list is Escape Route, which my animal companion will also get. It means I can ride my mount and move everywhere without provoking attacks of opportunity while mounted.

That's not how that Teamwork eat works. No attacks of opportunity are provoked by a teammate who is using the withdrawal action, and even then it's only in squares that you threaten.

This if an ogre is two squares away, your teammate can withdraw/retreat through a square that the ogre threatens and that you also threaten... without drawing an attack of opportunity.

Here's a revised group listing, based on the latest :

Keepers of Kelvar (animals)

Anna the Red (Human; summoner/rogue)
Aerethion (Elf; fighter/ranger; master of the bow)
Borun Redbeard (Dwarf; monk/empyreal Sorcerer)
Ehrindil (Elf; samurai/magus)
Elured (Half-Elf; ranger/magus)


Keepers of Olvar (plants)

Gwynhwyfar the Fair (Human; druid/sorceress)
Haldir (Elf; ranger/magus)
Lady Isile (Moriquende; sorceress/oracle)
Wren (Half-Elf; monk/rogue)


Keepers of Dinew (troubleshooters)

Arad Marahellon (Half-Orc; druid/witch)
Borjnen Boulderol (Dwarf; barbarian/hill-giant-fighter)
Davis (Human; barbarian-totemist/fighter)
Ro'kath (Half-Orc; fighter/ranger)
Sky Sheer'een (Half-Elf; fighter-arcane archer/druid-master of masks)

fine w/ me. I don't care as long as we can get the ball a rollin.

In reply to Azurak the Blue (msg # 294):

The withdrawing part actually is only in the feat's fluff, not in the mechanics.

From the PRD:


The mechanics say that the feats covers all movement by allies in your squares or squares adjacent, it says nothing about enemies or threatening something.
The trick with the mount is that you and your mount are always in each other's square, thus covering each other. It isn't even that strong as it requires a feat investment from both you and your mount/companion as well as investing a stat increase for the mount/companion in Int so that it can take the feat.

That said, if you say it doesn't work for this game, it doesn't work.

EDIT: As for the groups, they are fine with me. I shifted some things around for my character, making him a little more focused on casting than he was.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:07, Sat 24 May 2014.

There's another flaw in that feat for your intended purposes. While you are mounted, the mount moves but you only take actions to control your mount. You don't move via your own actions which is what triggers the feat. So, your mount could be protected by it but you would still provoke as normal while you are mounted. Another flaw is that you and your mount are neither in adjacent squares to trigger the feat, nor are you moving through each other's squares to trigger it as the pair of you are moving in tandem. If you are constantly moving into the same square neither of you is moving through the other's square which is what triggers the feat.


I am very happy with the reworked groups. Thank you. It's nice to start the group with someone I've already been building IC rapport with.

It says nothing about having to move of your own accord. You could be pushed and still benefit from the effect if an ally is adjacent. The fact that it's your mount that perform the actual walking/running is irrelevant.

And moving in tandem means you are always in each other square and considering the fact you both enter and exit the square while it is occupied by the other means you move through an occupied  square. Once more, that fact you both enter and exit at the same time doesn't matter.

As written it functions but I understand that it most likely isn't the intention of the feat, it's rather cheesy. If our GM says it doesn't work it's perfectly fine with me.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:46, Sat 24 May 2014.

In reply to Arad Marahellon (msg # 299):

Crucify me but I agree with Arad, the two of them should be able to move without provoking AOO. At least this is how I read this rules, but GM rules all ofc.

It does seem terribly cheesy and awesome at the same time.

to be honest, if they BOTH have the feat, and BOTH threaten the same area, and are BOTH moving at the same time...

yeah, they're never not actually moving through an area that their ally doesn't threaten :3

And, to be fair, you can't take a horse EVERYWHERE.

Hmmm No healer again, I can handle the heal a bit from next level (Out of combat at least), but surviving until will be a challenge.

Anna became Half-elf at the end.

You actually sort of do have a healer, Borun can channel positive energy. No healing spells unless you have wands and people with UMD though.

No healing?

Do you mean to tell me you don't believe in the time-honored tradition of resting for a day or two?  :)

Maybe we can squeeze a potion of healing or three out of our esteemed wizard...

As long as Elured doesn't mind having another Magus, I am happy with the group (or with either of the other groups).



I have Use Magic Device. I don't mind getting the first wand (if my memory is correct, it costs 750GP for 50 charges) though it would be good if we bought subsequent wands as a group.

Yeah, in combat healing is no fun for anyone after all. You just need a stack of wands and someone who can use them.