The Fallen Orders: OOC.   Posted by OOC.Group: archive A
Tala Amina
 player, 48 posts
 Fierce Tigress
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 01:57
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
But Raconteur, that just makes me want to learn them twice as much!

... I don't do well with barriers, do I? :P

Tala is sort of new to this whole thing, and at a tipping point as she tries to figure out what Requiem means to her. So I'm pretty interested in seeing how her story plays out.
Dylan Ryke
 PC, 4 posts
 Media Mogul
 Rebel Millionaire
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 02:12
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Was Rotten Rosey Prince of the place?  Why were the Invictus hunted down.  The Lancea I'm guessing were opposed the Crones.
TheRaconteur
 Storyteller, 231 posts
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 02:44
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
In reply to Tala Amina (msg # 40):

Oh good.

I'm 100% happy with that response, I just didn't want anyone to sink a bunch of XP into Coils and then be upset in a week or five when some Carthian invokes a Law or some Acolyte casts some Cruac that makes using a Coil a very nasty proposition indeed.




We haven't actually decided who the old Prince was, or at least I haven't, that is the Primary ST's purview.

The Carthians were only too happy to go along with the current Mayor's schemes for revolution, at the time.  Any opportunity to rip down the establishment and build something new was welcomed, and they set to it with a violent gusto.  It didn't help that the Invictus Primogen was well renowned for liberal abuses of Dominate to enforce his position.
Pyotor Osipov
 player, 33 posts
 Well Connected
 Reliable Cleaner
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 04:02
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Well now, this is... interesting.
Pyotor Osipov
 player, 34 posts
 Well Connected
 Reliable Cleaner
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 05:38
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Interesting to see I'm not the only Ordo hiding in town.

Curious how they could mess with Coils considering how subtle some are.
Daniel Flanders
 player, 1 post
 Hello, gentle souls!
 The Man in Red
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 05:51
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Hey folks! New to the game, still trying to flesh out NPCs and such. Secret Ordo, blah blah, but you can call me Daniel (or Danny, if that suits you better).
Tala Amina
 player, 49 posts
 Fierce Tigress
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 05:52
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Considering I'd like to learn some, I am curious as well as to what might happen.

And Tala isn't an Ordo just yet. Basically, she's got a mentor in the ancient and mysterious Eric, a powerful Dragon. He's not so much out with the fact that he's a Dragon, but she knows he's keeping hidden. A philosopher and scientist/spiritualist, he's had some long conversations with her and subtly guided her along her Requiem. There's a not insignificant chance she'll end up either becoming a Dragon or being one in spirit. Tala's still trying to figure out her path.
Daniel Flanders
 player, 2 posts
 Hello, gentle souls!
 The Man in Red
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 06:28
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Hey, everyone, I'm trying to fill out my NPC roster, and I've been advised to work with some of you to help build a couple of them so they fit in with whatever you guys are doing.

So... anyone have, or have need of, a French Daeva spy/assassin, a German Jewish Mekhet smuggler, or a Gangrel/Ventrue alchemist?
Dylan Ryke
 PC, 5 posts
 Media Mogul
 Rebel Millionaire
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 17:13
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
In reply to Daniel Flanders (msg # 47):

Not sure what you mean Daniel.  Are those aspects of your charater?

Those concepts or people seem a strange fit for Dylan.  Maybe the alchemist but only as a Ventrue and it  most likely would have been a passing knowledge before 1999 and he would have avoided him after.
TheRaconteur
 Storyteller, 232 posts
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 18:05
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
So as a starting point, how about you all say how long your characters have been in Cleveland?  Pre-Purge and post-Purge makes a big difference.
Tala Amina
 player, 50 posts
 Fierce Tigress
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 19:08
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Tala has been in Cleveland I think since just after the Purge.
Dylan Ryke
 PC, 6 posts
 Media Mogul
 Rebel Millionaire
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 19:08
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Dylan is prepurge, sired in Cleveland in the early '80s.  His sire dies in the purge, an Invictus member, and primogen of his clan, Ventrue.  One of Dylan's broodmates follows his sire to the grave.  His other brood mate joins the Crones, substituting one master for another in his opinion, Lissandra is her name.  Dylan falls closer to the Carthians, having always been vocal about his dislike to the power structure his sire was part of.

With the vacuums that come after so many dead, Dylan takes on some of the old responsibilities of the first estate, managing the Cacophony and helping to maintain the great lie.

While he was close to a member of the Ordo before the purge, it was never clear that he joined it.  Easter died in the purge, a Mekhet, and daughter of a rich black family in Cleveland, childe to Eric another member of the Ordo that died.  How close the two were is not clear, but they were often seen together in gatherings.  She had been clearly a member of the Ordo.

Politically Dylan is unaffiliated.  If he has dealings with any member of the Ordo it is without his knowledge, as he doesn't even want to know.  He is rich, filthy rich, holding a great amount of sway with local media.  His connections are in both mainstream media and underground newspapers, along with bloggers and youtubers.  It is through his less mainstream contacts that he carries word through the Cacophony, and seems to be well aware of the goings on in the city.

He probably can serve as an information broker, but he keeps that to a minimum, as he doesn't want to gain the ire of the existing power structure.  Some among the Crones think him Invictus like his sire, and are looking for a reason to take him out.  It is only through his ongoing service to the Carthians that he's managed to avoid joining his sire, so selling information to anyone doesn't serve that interest.

He has one connection to the Ordo, and that is one too many if he had his way.  He remains as distant as possible from the Ordo and their goings on.  He takes enough risks as is when in the rare occasion the Ordo send out a coded message to its members in the Cacophony through his connections.

If you see a tie in to that Daniel, feel free to let me know.  I'm already connected to Pyotor Osipov, but the connection has nothing to do with the Ordo which works great :)
TheRaconteur
 Storyteller, 233 posts
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 19:13
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
For clarification, the Purge was in 1999.
Daniel Flanders
 player, 3 posts
 Hello, gentle souls!
 The Man in Red
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 21:00
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
In reply to Dylan Ryke (msg # 48):

Those are some of the characters that appear in my backstory. The French spy is "The Parisian," my sire, who I picture as a Mata Hari type (open to modification). The Mekhet smuggler is someone my character met during the Great War- Daniel left Europe when the Nazis started marching, but he worked with the smuggler to help get people away from the camps by giving them shelter on the American side of the pond. The alchemist is an old mentor, who is most likely Ventrue or Gangrel because Resilience is one of the only ways he'd survive his own experimentation (OSHA would probably have a word or two with him about the safety conditions of his lab).

On his face, Daniel paints himself as militantly apolitical. He flirted with the Carthian Movement for some time, and he knows a bit of the lingo, but he's a lover, not a fighter. He will actively work to smooth over tensions between groups, since he can't be comfortable while everyone's in purge-dissent mode. He's friendly, gregarious, a wee bit promiscuous (Daeva, duh), and really likes to wear red. Only a few people would recognize him as Ordo, and even fewer would recognize the significance of his fashion choice.
TheRaconteur
 Storyteller, 235 posts
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 21:21
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
So I know Daniel is still in the early stages of development.  My question for you is, why would your promiscuous lover of a Kindred come to Cleveland of all places?  The old order were vicious sociopaths, and the new Mayor is proving just as vicious and heavy handed.  The City is in an open state of war, no one can be trusted, and the Masquerade is currently in shambles due to an out of control Revenant nest.

Why would Daniel have come in the first place?  Why would he stay?

This message was last edited by the player at 23:19, Wed 14 Jan 2015.

Tala Amina
 player, 51 posts
 Fierce Tigress
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 22:00
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Ah, then Tala has only been in Cleveland for a couple years, say, if that helps. She's not made too many bonds yet, but I'm flexible on that part.
Dylan Ryke
 PC, 7 posts
 Media Mogul
 Rebel Millionaire
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 22:33
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
No traveling here Daniel.  I played it more like a gilded cage, leaving the city is likely to result in death, so it is better to take your chances with a bunch of nutters then leave.  In his 35 years of existence this side of death he has known no other cities.  Only certain death would send him on the road, and normally if you enemy is smart he won't give you that chance to know ahead of time.
Daniel Flanders
 player, 4 posts
 Hello, gentle souls!
 The Man in Red
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 23:43
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
In reply to TheRaconteur (msg # 54):

Oh, I'm sure he has his reasons. Perhaps he's simply tired of running from battles, and thinks maybe he can stop this one. Or perhaps he's concerned about an old friend that he lost touch with during the Purge, and he's been waiting for things to die down to investigate. Or perhaps he's an opportunist, and thinks the vacuum of power left in the wake of the purge is a good way for a vampire to make his name.

Personally, I'd prefer to let the players guess at his motivation. Makes things more fun that way. ;)

[Private to TheRaconteur: In reality, he's here as a clean-up man. The Ordo Dracul is not happy about the extinction of their covenant in Cleveland, and in particular the death of the Prince has them in a huff. He has ben directed to try to clean things up and prepare the city for a return of the Ordo, if not with a charming smile then perhaps with a fist to the windpipe.

He also just really, really hates war, and he blames himself for running away from his homeland when they needed him. He's not letting it happen again. Not here.
]

This message was last edited by the player at 00:21, Thu 15 Jan 2015.

TheRaconteur
 Storyteller, 236 posts
Wed 14 Jan 2015
at 23:54
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
In reply to Daniel Flanders (msg # 57):

Well, we come from different schools of thought on play by post games then.  I brought you to this thread so you could collaborate OOCily on what some of your IC interactions might end up being, develop collaborative story that way.  I prefer to lay my cards on the table OOC so we can all storybuild together, and trust that the other players won't metagame with the knowledge they have, rather than just focus on my own story.  I just think it's a better story when everyone gets to see what's happening, rather than a bunch of people having solo story time with the DM.  Vampires a secretive enough without their players keeping their cards close as well.

~laughs~  I won't force you to play my way, though, so you can keep your secrets.  I'll just hold out hope for a dramatic reveal from you down the line.

Edit:  Trying to figure out how to make this post sound more amused as less whiny.  Meeting with limited success thus far.

This message was last edited by the player at 00:04, Thu 15 Jan 2015.

Daniel Flanders
 player, 5 posts
 Hello, gentle souls!
 The Man in Red
Thu 15 Jan 2015
at 00:35
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
In reply to TheRaconteur (msg # 58):

Oh, well, I come from a school of thought that fears the potential for metagaming, but if that's how you want to play it...

In short, Daniel Flanders is a man who operates very much in the vein of Teddy Roosevelt's old maxim: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." His red clothing marks him out as a Sworn of the Axe, and despite his kindness and pretenses towards intellectualism, his real skill is breaking the bones of people who cause too much trouble.

The way I imagine it going down is this: Daniel is still relatively low-level in the Ordo, and some of his elders are a bit ticked off about their entire covenant getting thrown out of Cleveland, particularly when it was their guy on the throne when the Purge happened. He is the avant garde, literally and figuratively paving the way for the return of the Ordo. He's also motivated by his Carthian sire, the Parisian, who has no love of tyrants, particularly those who enforce their tyranny through Carthian Law. She has specifically instructed him that the "Mayor" needs to go, and after seeing how he runs things, Daniel may be in agreement.

Daniel's not dumb enough to try open insurrection, however. Even with the Coils on his side, he's not nearly strong enough to take on the current establishment by himself. He needs to recruit allies, build a coalition and change the balance of power once more- this time, towards a more stable solution that hopefully results in fewer atrocities being committed per annum.

And if you want some further insight into the character, I'll simply say that both his names are references to different poems/songs that were popular around the time he was alive.
TheRaconteur
 Storyteller, 237 posts
Thu 15 Jan 2015
at 00:37
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Woo!

You didn't have to play it my way, but "woo!"
Pyotor Osipov
 player, 35 posts
 Well Connected
 Reliable Cleaner
Thu 15 Jan 2015
at 06:39
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Very well, time for the terrible truth of one Pyotor Osipov. He's most definitely part of the Ordo and more importantly walks the Path of the Ascendant. He has developed an entirely alternative identity known as Karl Sonnenrad which thanks to his Coils he is able to move about and operate in daytime hours to maintain the obvious split between him and Pyotor.

More so through Karl he controls a Mystery Cult (Everdawn Society) that seeks to control the city. He's doing this because he's a politcial scientist and desires to disrupt the current order in the city simply to see what happens. He doesn't care at all for Rotten Rosey simply because she sounds like a maniac.

But yes, he's been stretching his reach out quietly as Karl to develop the means to start disrupting and harassing the current rulers of the city. He likely wouldn't tell other Ordo members if only to protect himself without good reason. He plans to operate entirely through a network of mortal proxies devoted to the cult thus no need for silly mind control tricks. Fanatical devotion to a cause is its own useful form of power.
Dylan Ryke
 PC, 9 posts
 Media Mogul
 Rebel Millionaire
Thu 15 Jan 2015
at 15:02
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Daniel if you want we can arrange something.  As Dylan is Sworn as well, to the Mysteries, he may have been forced to work with Daniel, as Dylan was established and could help Daniel get an in.  He may not like the arrangement, but such is the case with many of the grunt work neonates must do as Sworn members of the Ordo Dracul.  Let me know if you are interested.
Daniel Flanders
 player, 6 posts
 Hello, gentle souls!
 The Man in Red
Thu 15 Jan 2015
at 22:15
Re: The Fallen Orders: OOC
Dylan Ryke:
Daniel if you want we can arrange something.  As Dylan is Sworn as well, to the Mysteries, he may have been forced to work with Daniel, as Dylan was established and could help Daniel get an in.  He may not like the arrangement, but such is the case with many of the grunt work neonates must do as Sworn members of the Ordo Dracul.  Let me know if you are interested.

Seems like it might be interesting, at the very least. I'll PM you and we can try to work something out.

@Pyotor Osayev: Sweet, another Path of the Ascendent! Though I get the distinct impression that we're pursuing that Mystery for very different reasons.

This message was last edited by the player at 22:17, Thu 15 Jan 2015.

Dylan Ryke
 PC, 13 posts
 Media Mogul
 Rebel Millionaire
Thu 15 Jan 2015
at 22:23
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All three of us are on it, and I'm guessing each for different reasons :)

If this was game of thrones, we've found the three heads of the dragon.  Lets hope we don't burn in pursuit of our schemes to tear down the current order.