Destination: Invermory and Beyond
OOG: Any one have a good Traveller expression for hornet's nest? Let's see how this goes for a Scientist who has done lectures and presentations, combined with advocate training. Going to make me 'work for my dinner'? Nah, this is fun, though a bit more than I expected. Hope the lead up to it was for the rest of you too. I won't try to disagree with a comment from StarMaster that he and I have different concepts of what is fun in some contexts. Which happens to be a large part of the point here.
Nathaniel sits and listens to the uproar, his smile fading a little, but not going away. When it settles a little, he looks around to see if anyone else has something that they feel the need to tell him immediately. When it looks like he has the opportunity to respond, he picks the pieces to address immediately.
Turning first to Sharik, he says dead serious. "For the record Sharik, I am NOT stating that I wish to terminate those relationships. There were no threats made in what I said. None. At. All. There is something here that everyone here except me knows, and you are all being extreme defensive and protective of that. All good. People should protect what is their's, or for other's that can't do it themselves."
He turns to Valeska, giving her a brief unbelieving stare. His lips are trying to twitch into a grin, but he manages to maintain decorum. He says, "That was a pretty good mixture of facts, speculation, half-truths, and outright lies tied nicely together, but pieces of it do not fit other details. You protest way too much. If Tammy were just an interface program, there would be no need for the orders to not talk about her. Well, unless there was something proprietary. Even then, it would be more about, as you are tying to do, passing it off as nothing special, and just unlikely to ever be brought up in conversation. For future reference, it would be better to say less when it has not been planned, with the pieces fitting neatly together. You actually gave more weight to circumstantial evidence I had so far. I have worked with various interfaces a lot in my career, including some that are running on high end hardware. Scientists use computer capabilities a lot, and that is not always a hand comp. The little I heard, Tammy does not sound like those. While there could be other explanations for that, I think you tried to twist the wrong threads together. Oh, and if that is all you got, why didn't you sell it here? I know that Creds are not your main priority, but that running computer is probably worth more than the journal was. Potentially a lot more."
Nathaniel thinks, but does not say, "~~As for Jack, he might have problems trying to do that longer term, but short term he should be able to. … Just as 'something' attracted the attention of his 'advanced Concorde sensors' at the auction yesterday. Are you there Jack? Say hi to Vonon for me.~~"
To Inderpal he acknowledges, "Just where she aligns with the official scale is something that can be discussed later, and at leisure. … Without infringing any rights she might have under ISRD".
That out of the way, he looks around again at everyone, then down at the table in front of of him. He says with exaggerated mock sadness, ""Well, obviously you don't trust me either. Officially on the crew for less than 5 minutes, and already suggesting insubordination charges.", he gives a theoretical sigh, and continues, "Let's try this again more explicitly, with some context you might understand, instead of getting overly defensive, and not getting the context."
He visibly gather's himself, and his demeanor changes to an Advocate arguing a legal point. He starts to stand, then thinks better of it, relaxing his posture, and sitting back in the chair, "Let's start with that party you are all so anxious to get planned. How many here were ready to dispense some serious and permanent vigilante justice when they heard that Inderpal had been kidnapped? … That only got changed to shaving after you heard from Vonon about the cultural context. If I got the nuances right, the kidnapping itself was not even what annoyed him. It was because one of them embarrassed her, by pouring water over her head. He understood that Inderpal was upset for other reasons, but only sort of 'felt' it."
"I suspect some of you would still like to feed those two to the worms, though you are going along with the Captain's assessment of what would have the most impact on those two … curs. Because you trust that, but only within limits. … What is important, or even paid attention to, is very much a factor of personal perspectives and history. There can be a very large disconnect between intention and perception."
He can't stay relaxed. He sits forward with his hands on the table, getting more intense as he goes along. "Now, to the current point. My perception, from the brief interactions just now, should be that Tammy is being confined incognito to the ship by the order of Vonnon, not permitted any interaction outside of it."
"I repeat that I said 'should'. If you can remember what I actually said a moment ago, instead of seeing attacks and threats, you should find the same. I think. I was not being quite as careful with the wording then. I thought, apparently incorrectly, that it was 'friendly'."
"I do trust Vonon to do what he thinks is right. I trust Vonon to BE Vonon. But remember that he does not perceive some situations the same as others that were raised in different cultures. He effectively got kicked out of the system for being right. I don't really expect this to be kidnapping or slavery, but that is certainly what the current evidence would indicate. Well, with deliberately exaggeration to make a point. In addition, Tammy is from yet another culture, with another perspective on what is acceptable. What is her version of water over the head?"
"Sharik I also trust to be Sharik. The rest of you I trust somewhat, based on Vonon's explicit and implied support. Sharik has not actually provided direct indications of anyone's trustworthiness here. Her presence says some, but I am pretty sure she has dealt with people in the past that she does not trust much. Apparently including me."
"I expect there is a reason for the subterfuge. I just don't have any context that makes sense. It's not like she is going to be sent back to where you picked her up. There is no way the authorities would put someone with her … capabilities, at any level you want to claim, back there. Let alone the supporting materials needed for her to actually live there. Given the public propaganda about how humanitarian that solution is, with no undue stress on the relocated population, they could not send anyone there that would obviously immediately die in that environment. Why they", turning on some heavy sarcasm, "even send shipments of luxury goods", cutting back on the sarcasm, but it is still present, "with public announces of just how good and restrained they are."
"So, not going back. … Do you think someone, specifically on this world, might want to confiscate the equipment she needs to survive? Seems unlikely. Her general abilities are uncommon, but not unknown. Legally, here and elsewhere, she has a right to exist. With some location specific exceptions. It's not like that alien ship, that I am also curious to learn a lot more about. From the little I've heard so far, that has new capabilities that are not possible anywhere near here. The simple existence of that will be perceived as a threat in many circles. The capabilities that the Iltharan society reached, even in an advanced research facility, should not be in the same class. The research topics, maybe, but not computer. Unless it contains reproducible details of success from some of what is in that journal. But I think not. At least what I am being told is that is not stored there."
"Do you think she might be treated as case 101 of the unexplained sudden emigration? Extremely unlikely. A cursory look will show she would never have been sent there in the first place. Is she a direct threat to the current order? Again, I do not see how. Unless … since she was there was there evidence recorded of any sort of atrocities that the local power would have trouble denying? Don't bother to answer that. Seems unlikely as well."
"Inderpal implied that Vonon over personifies tech. That was a pretty good distraction, since I do know him. You should have left it at that Inderpal. However, if that is what the case were, there would be no need to stomp all over me verbally. It wouldn't really be important. To you. I've sat in claws reach of Vonon many times, with not much to show in scars. There should be no need to protect me from his reaction, and I assure you he definitely does not need to be protected from me. Pretty sure none of you care about protecting me anyway.
"So, what context am I missing? You have to have a reason. Sure a ship's Captain can give orders relating to ship operations. That does not normally extend to interaction of the crew while in port. Beyond warnings about safety in the local environment, and being fit to resume duties. It wouldn't do to turn crew loose where the local population is natural prey, or vice versa. But forbidding interaction, and hiding the presence, the very existence of crew? What seems beyond the scope of the normal Captain's authority, except in very narrow circumstances. Of course I need to expand the more narrow role of ships Captain with my interpretation of what Vonon sees as his … obligations is probably the best word, as alpha or leader of this tribe. Still, it would be helpful to know what those circumstances are, to not inadvertently say something that while keeping to the letter of the order, was not in keeping with the intent."
"Like that mess I got into with Mr Camarada simply because I did not know how much of the material related to the auction was intended to remain private. I had not seen the full public published promotional material, only the data that it was based on, and that I had been explicitly denied access to, after the fact, by Vonon. If it is any comfort here, it was because I took very seriously that denial of access that I got into the mess yesterday. If I had simply ignored it, I would have had no problem, and maybe a patron."
Realizing how intense he was being, Nathaniel forces himself to relax again. He sighs and leans back.
"So please, excuse me for trying to get enough information to know what I am not talking about. The demands and protectiveness being shown do not make any sense combined with information available to me, and the context here is not like a ship in the middle of a battle where the Captain's orders need to be followed instantly for the sake of the ship. Questions to clarify orders should be appropriate. If not, then the Captain is effectively a dictator, and the crew are all his slaves. Not very good for the ship, since the Captain does not know everything."
"Since my previous statements got taken so far from my intent, I will be extra clear on that. I did NOT say that Vonon was a dictator or slave owner. I said that is what would be implied by stifling questions to the Captain from the crew, when in a private crew only environment where decisions and actions are not time critical. To be even more clear, I was not questioning the order itself. I was asking for additional formation, to understand the purpose and context of the order. As a sophont, I reserve the right to question the order, when … No I retract that. … As a sophont, I reserve the right to suggest alternatives to the order, once I have sufficient information to base that on. The Captain is not always and automatically right. He does not know everything. Nobody does."
"I will admit to asking the question in a way that could provoke more information than strictly necessary. Which it seems to have done. A bit too successfully."
OOG: If Jack is listening, he will get pretty much the same content, with side comments about the personalities, contexts, speculations (that do not include a telepathic computer), involved in the situation, including snide comments about himself getting into full Advocate arguing a case mode.
Just for fun, without getting into psionic computers, the item that nobody seems to have noticed (context remember), though I think Jack (character) should have, that would get Nathaniel's attention and fast agreement with silence is that from all indications, TAMI is an "emergent AI". That is totally different from one that was planned. In some circles that is off the scale for dangerous, nuke immediately, and any bystanders, including the whole world are acceptable collateral damage. No idea if StarMaster agrees with that perspective. It might not be the general attitude, but those concerned with 'existential threats' could have it high on their list.
Oh, and this is likely to be an excuse for Nathaniel to be even more verbose and advocate mode, to try to make sure his meaning is clear. Not that he needs much encouragement with that.
Nathaniel sighs and shakes his head, then looks around at the others present, "Does that help any? Does it get closer to an actual answer, instead of threats, or counter threats, or outright denial. Of course, I really am fine with you providing me with more details to add to the mix while telling me how insubordinate, off base, and just plain crazy that I am. You collect the most interesting information if you manage to get opposing consul, or better, who they represent, to lose their cool. Good thing this meeting is private."
He thinks, "~~Is this crew so insular, so tight, that any outside opinion is automatically perceived as an attack? Or at least a threat?~~"
OOG: Hmmm, I wonder if that could become a Nathaniel thing? Data collection (Investigate) by getting someone 'excited', and saying more than they intended. It would fit his general skills. No Deception or Persuade needed. It just needs enough starting information to make dangerous sounding implications.
PS, I wrote this before Vonon's latest post. It does not account for anything in there. Another, shorter, post in the works
This message was last edited by the player at 07:51, Wed 09 Nov 2022.