Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.   Posted by Storyteller.Group: 0
Larafyll Starfire
 player, 49 posts
Fri 10 Jul 2015
at 00:11
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Well. I seem to have missed a few things. >.> Internet is back to being reliable by the way, so I'm back now! I'll just have Lara hiding in the background. Sorry about my disappearance.

On another note: H-hey! I hide really well! And it's not like it's easy to tell I'm an elf from distance. All hooded and stuffs :(

This message was last edited by the player at 00:17, Fri 10 July 2015.

Albrecht Zweifler
 player, 413 posts
 Ag34, AP: 3(all)
 W13/13 F0/3 SB4 TB3 IP1
Fri 10 Jul 2015
at 06:02
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Storyteller, Low friends in high places - The Great Hospice of Shallya, #209:
Further behind him, an elf, hiding in the canopy kept eye on the situation.

GM decision, not mine ;-/
Storyteller
 GM, 317 posts
Fri 10 Jul 2015
at 08:00
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Right, I normally don't speak up. But needless to say, this meeting turned out vastly different than anticipated. I can understand the cautious nature, that is fine, but this has turned hostile in and out of character, which for ADULTS playing, is unacceptable.
I am not going to play a blame game here. I could care less. What I do care about is that this is resolved in an orderly manner.

I appreciate that players stick to their guns, refuse to bend their agendas and play their character well - I appreciate that. But when it comes to the point, where the tone turns like this, the air has to be cleared so we can proceed.

Urgrim and Albrecht - I am not asking you to be friends here, but using phrases as asshole etc. is begging for conflict. Please, consider that we are all here for the same thing. To play in a story, experience the world of Warhammer and to in some extend meet new people who we can share this with. Discussing things as have been done so far, is not helping that in any shape or form.
I am here to tell a story and take great joy in this, rather than parenting. I got two kids, they are plenty for me - this is not meant as an insult, but as a way of detailing that I prefer spending my time and energy on storytelling rather that conflict solving.

With that said, I urge all of you, please, consider your words, and how it affect others, especially in OOC and if all else fails, run any concerns by me first. I have great joy in this game and stuff like this can tear it apart.
With that said, you are indeed in a stalemate. You seek a tome, either of you have yet to see - hence you can negotiate the terms for this. Try so?
Who is Reiss? Who are they? Do you seek the same thing and could work towards a common goal here?

@Lara - sorry, had to stuff you somewhere as I didn't quite know your status. I thought, Elf and shrubbery...makes sense. :)
Albrecht Zweifler
 player, 415 posts
 Ag34, AP: 3(all)
 W13/13 F0/3 SB4 TB3 IP1
Fri 10 Jul 2015
at 12:04
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Storyteller:
I am not asking you to be friends here

Well, you see.
IMHO, it actually does take to be friends to create an enjoyable story and have a harmonized atmosphere. Something that actually improves the quality as opposed to repeated initiations of antagonism and friction.

We had the repetitive 'stings' of Griffo, constantly seemingly working against the group - or at the least just selfishly. We had everybody just starting to ignore the halfling and we also had serious and well-intended attempts to bring the halfling back into the fold as a companion rather than just a necessary evil that tags along. Do reread the awesome role-play Griffo's player had shown in the beginning and the unfathomable decline.

I think, the kind of attitude that has been displayed so blatantly yesterday will cause trouble time and again as the story unfolds.
It's one thing to play a stubborn, grudging dwarf we all know from the rich Old World Setting, It's quite a different thing to be belittling, insulting, offensive and rude. A derisive attitude simply does not smack of future cooperation. It does not form a base for continued companionship.

There is great potential in a mild antagonism in role-play, but few can tread that path.
Scroll all the way up and watch the unfolding 'conflict' between Eberhardt and Albrecht with immediate OOC assertion and the enjoyment on both sides and the 'plan' to actually build on this as a medium to enrich the role-play personalities. A fruitful discussion that holds much anticipated opportunity for great role-play.

Now, the potential outcome I see for the current situation is a lot more like the Everybody-Griffo-Scenario than the Eberhardt-Albrecht-Scenario.

Role-play is a joint effort. To work as a group.
Why do you role-play ?
Storyteller:
Please, consider that we are all here for the same thing
Are we ?
I mean ?
Truly ?
If a new character joins a game (31 IC posts versus Albrecht's 260) does it indicate cooperative will and intention to create something you actually have joy in if the very first interaction you initiate is to insult the other's character ?
  • "...a wild dog at the end of his leash..."
  • "...stop being a damned fool..."
  • ...threatening tone...
  • "...yer dog..."
Is it a sensible thing to do to start a relationship with antagonism ?
Do you do that in Real Life ?
It's the very opposite of social interaction and behaviour.
I have to admit that I am having some doubts as to Urgrim's player's motives and motivations.
They don't seem to conjoin with my own.

I have been reading my IC post#215 back and forth to try to find how the situation degenerated like that.
Urgrim has elaborated in length, explaining his reaction and all that.
Allow me the same... "for the record" (is this a law suit ?)

Albrecht had commanded everbody to drop their weapons (#210).
The dwarf comes charging in and attacks one of the group (#211).
Osric commands everyone to stop the fight (#212)
The intruders do surrender their weapons (#213)
Unlike the aggressor (the dwarf), who keeps his weapon and starts away with a threat and a claim (#214)
Albrecht justifies the authority, namely the Church of Sigmar.
Arguably the most powerful institution in the whole Empire with a representative (Osric) of said institution displaying his holy symbol prominently and unmistakingly.
Based on that authority ("Do we have an understanding now ?") he once again requests that the dwarf should lay down his weapon (#215).
Unlike the accusation, Albrecht did in fact not threaten, but simply kept the dwarf in check with his pistol until the situation could be cleared ("so you can all explain yourselves in a civil manner").
Kindly notice the word "warningly", so utterly unlike - and much less aggressive - than the threat uttered by the dwarf, who goes into detail of how he will kill and maul the corpse of Albrecht (#217) after Osric explains the reasons for the agitated situation (#216).
Undoubtedly a sharp escalation of the situation.
I mean, I could have written: "Lay your weapon down you FUCKHEAD or I'll splatter your brains on the floor !"
Surely we all agree that this would have been a justifiable reason for Urgrim's reply and agitation.

Well, and that detailed elaboration of Albrecht's pending demise is what triggered by OOC post #932.
"You threaten me ? I can threaten better !"
Now if that isn't a bigger balls contest then what is ?
It's a stereotype that is so old that it triggered my [Yawn]. Since I did not see a sensible way out of the severely escalated situation, I [Sigh]ed and asked a 3rd Party to intervene. A situation I did (and still do) indeed find ridiculous (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ridiculous?s=t) as the initiation of the situation did not justify that escalation in the first place in my opinion.
I further commented that there will be trouble between these two in the future, because, hey, no one's taking it easy to be threatened with being hacked into pieces, right ?

Now, there's the difference between [Ironic Laughter]:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ironic
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/laughter?s=t
and [Condescending Sneer]
http://dictionary.reference.co...se/condescending?s=t
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sneer?s=t

Which unfortunately seemed to have slipped completely by Urgrim's player.
Urgrim Diamonheart:
I would ask that you not be insulting and condescending ooc, please and thank you

Pray tell: in what world and what social environment would my #932 rate as 'insulting' and 'condescending' ???

You see, up to this point there still was plenty room to 'clear the air'.



And then the rocket sets off...
Right there, the very next sentence after the understandable quoted phrase the trigger of which could have cordially and mutually been waved away as the result of a more or less mild misunderstanding Urgrim's player writes "asshole" in the OOC.

The rest of the Urgrim's above post is - I'm afraid - just condescending (this time indeed !) bovine excrement put forth in most exquisite metaphorical description, including the repetition of well-known facts of the Old World setting.
Yes, this time you're right: as a demonstration I did indeed just stoop down to display a condescending phrase.
Apologies, I just wanted to drive home my point: the difference between the two (ironic vs condescending) and the unfortunate incapability to differentiate.
Yes, you're right again: the later was patronizing.
Just to display what I would absolutely have apologized for if it had ever happened to me to post a thing like that to a fellow role-player.
And as an example what I could have understood as a reason for going off like that.
For the answer to my own question above:
myself:
Pray tell: in what world and what social environment would my [EDIT:] post rate as 'insulting' and 'condescending' ???

would be easy to answer: THIS World !

The way it stands, though, I cannot possibly accept or even tolerate that kind of anti-social behaviour.
Exactly for the reasons that Urgrim lay at my feet !
Now isn't that ironic ?
I'm fairly sure we all have to swallow these kind of pills in Real Life. Too many - I'm going to borrow that word: 'assholes' - out there and nothing you can do against it because of certain restraints and rules that define modern day social interaction. Can't call your Boss an - I'll borrow it again: 'asshole' - right in his face. Well, yes, you can, but are you willing to take that bite ?
However, must you truly tolerate that ?
My personal answer ?
Not for something I do for fun and as a hobby.

Storyteller:
...this has turned hostile in and out of character, which for ADULTS playing, is unacceptable.

I could elaborate on the difference between adult and mature but I'd rather not for it's bound to offend (potentially anyway) even more.
Aye, I did reply IC 'in kind' (#218). Though I actually do claim that it doesn't even go half-way to what Urgrim threw at Albrecht. But that is perfectly within the nuances of 'point of view', so let's have the point stand:
I replied IC in a hostile manner.
I do object that I've gone hostile (and implied connotations) in the OOC, though !
Which was the whole point to begin with, as we surely recall:
Urgrim Diamonheart:
I would ask that you not be insulting and condescending ooc, please and thank you
So very, very THIS !

I do, however, absolutely agree with GM that this is unacceptable.
Storyteller
 GM, 318 posts
Fri 10 Jul 2015
at 14:27
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
I will be heading of on holiday for the next 14 days, and be back the 27th.
I need some air and to determine where this is heading. However in short:
- Anna is going with Eberhardt.
- The men have surrendered, but are non the wiser.
- Which tome they speak of is still uncertain.
- Where is Johan?`
- Where is the necromancer, and can he be found(I see Albrecht is heading off after him, so perhaps he might get lucky).

I am a tad disheartened by the way this day panned out and while I wanted to post, this has sucked the air out of me.
I will reevaluate a good few things, and take it from there when I return. A GM gutcheck if you would. Feel free to PM if you have any further concerns or things you wish to share, and I hope to continue on a clean slate when I return. If not, then I will see how things pan out from there.

To you all, a good summer, and hopefully, see you soon.
Osric Jutzenbach
 player, 224 posts
 Agi(38) AP(3-all)
 W14/15 For1/3 SB3 TB4 IP1
Sun 12 Jul 2015
at 07:16
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Hmm, I missed a lot of things here it appears.

@Storryteller: do enjoy your holiday with the family, the two brats will certainly make it 'interesting' :)
Storyteller
 GM, 319 posts
Fri 24 Jul 2015
at 19:13
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Just a short update.

I will continue this Monday at renewed pace. I will be off again at the end of the week due to moving, so starting August there will be no more interruptions from my side.
Eberhardt Grimm
 player, 171 posts
 Ag 39, AP 0 F 1/2
 W 14/14, SB 3, TB 4, IP 3
Fri 24 Jul 2015
at 20:32
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
I am travelling until the 29th or so, it may be that I am unable to post. Afterwards I should be here.
Storyteller
 GM, 320 posts
Mon 27 Jul 2015
at 07:23
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Thank you Eberhardt! Have a safe trip.

As for the game, I refuse to bow nor accept defeat on this. I have a great story to tell and many things to share and I wish to do so, regardless of what happens - if there are players around to be involved in this, outstanding, for you will be involved.
What I ask is simple. I will do all I can to provide a great story, rich details and involvement - what I need from the players, that is you, is simple:
Get involved, which you all are, and remember that you play with others as well. Try to keep this in mind, try to refrain from hostilities and consider your words - this is as much an art as GM'ing is - I expect and will run a game where each of you can grow a story and a personality individually but also where you will travel and act as a unity. If you desire to act against this, please consider if this could have ill effects. It may make sense for you, but if it halts a game and lead to arguments, is it worth it?
I prefer not to parent, but rather mediate and ask you all to allow me to do this.

With this in mind I will resume IC - If any of you do not wish to continue let me know in PM's and I will hold no ill feelings.
Osric Jutzenbach
 player, 225 posts
 Agi(38) AP(3-all)
 W14/15 For1/3 SB3 TB4 IP1
Tue 28 Jul 2015
at 07:25
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Running low on time, will try to post this evening or tomorrow.
Larafyll Starfire
 player, 50 posts
Wed 29 Jul 2015
at 04:54
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Well, I'm just slightly not sure what to do. As my whole thing would have been to stay the fuck back as Urgrim went forward, covering him from a long distance.

Alas. I seem to have not done so.
Storyteller
 GM, 322 posts
Wed 29 Jul 2015
at 06:11
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Larafyll Starfire:
Well, I'm just slightly not sure what to do. As my whole thing would have been to stay the fuck back as Urgrim went forward, covering him from a long distance.

Alas. I seem to have not done so.


I will see what we can do for you. Right now, there is no hint of combat and it is more or less an conversation you can jump into if you desire.
Perhaps that is the opening you desire? Otherwise, hold on and we shall see what happens as we are kinda low on activity at the moment.
Storyteller
 GM, 323 posts
Wed 29 Jul 2015
at 09:46
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
PLEASE READ

I can sense a stalemate and ask that those here, voice so.
Basically, if you are around, whether you can post or not, please let me know.
I know a few have been unable to post which is perfectly acceptable, but I do also need to consider the level of activity here, especially since I will be off Friday, and away until the 10th of August due to moving. Hence I can not follow up then. This means that we could look at a very stagnant period - I just need to know who is around and expect to be here by that date, regardless of what might happen.
Are you interested, please let me know! If there is not a soul around or something, akin to Lara's issue, is preventing you from getting involved, let me know as well!

This game will soldier on, but if only two or three are around, I naturally have to reconsider applications etc. So, help me out here, as soon as possible.
Albrecht Zweifler
 player, 416 posts
 Ag34, AP: 3(all)
 W13/13 F0/3 SB4 TB3 IP1
Wed 29 Jul 2015
at 10:01
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
My last IC post sure indicates that Albrecht has gone away and left for good.

Still, this is not to be confused with quitting the game.

I am - and will be - present.
Eberhardt Grimm
 player, 172 posts
 Ag 39, AP 0 F 1/2
 W 14/14, SB 3, TB 4, IP 3
Wed 29 Jul 2015
at 12:29
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
I am currently travelling, on my way back home. I am able to post starting tomorrow. It will be related to Anna mostly.
Osric Jutzenbach
 player, 227 posts
 Agi(38) AP(3-all)
 W14/15 For1/3 SB3 TB4 IP1
Thu 30 Jul 2015
at 12:38
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Created a cheesy opening for Lady Starfire. It ain't much, but I figure we have lingered to long in the hospice. We don't want a mutation, do we?
Osric Jutzenbach
 player, 228 posts
 Agi(38) AP(3-all)
 W14/15 For1/3 SB3 TB4 IP1
Wed 5 Aug 2015
at 07:23
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Will be on family holiday till august 17. Probably little to none internet access.
Storyteller
 GM, 324 posts
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 06:26
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Alas - I am back today, due to triple illness in the family. Only I avoided it.

It seems that Only Osric and Eberhardt have posted since I left - good news is that I am low on vacation now and that means at least 5-10 updates a week if not more(basically every weekday from now).

I can do one last thing since I asked for activity.
Push the scene forward - next likely place is Eberhardts family home - and to traverse there.
If there are no objections, please advice so, otherwise I will provide such at the end of the day. You have my word. For ease, I will do so in a new thread.
Larafyll Starfire
 player, 51 posts
Fri 14 Aug 2015
at 18:33
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Sorry, I seem to have gotten in a car wreck and damaged my head a little. I'm mostly all better now! Massive headaches are apparently going to be the norm for a few more weeks. So I'm pretty excited about those!

-.-

On a more fun note, I totally missed that chance to literally drop out of trees.

Wellll damn.

This message was last edited by the player at 18:35, Fri 14 Aug 2015.

Osric Jutzenbach
 player, 230 posts
 Agi(38) AP(3-all)
 W14/15 For1/3 SB3 TB4 IP1
Tue 18 Aug 2015
at 05:32
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Well come back and for those to whom if concerns, hope you are getting/feeling better soon.

Now lets get us introduce to the family of Eberhardt. "Hi mom, I'm home and a brought a couple of new friends with me. I got a gun slinging Elf, a hammer throwing priest and a doomed mage. We'll be up in my room listening to some bards."

oh, and don't forget: This thread is nearing the 1,000 post limit.  Please request your GM creates a new thread. or so rpol claimed :)
Storyteller
 GM, 326 posts
Tue 18 Aug 2015
at 06:02
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
The 1000 post bit is a lie; it can be swayed and go over. But alas. A new you will get!
Larafyll Starfire
 player, 53 posts
Tue 18 Aug 2015
at 23:04
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Hey, can I just hop off the wagon? I mean, if she was riding it, she'd just be perched so she could see the surrounding area easier. Because Elves!
Eberhardt Grimm
 player, 175 posts
 Ag 39, AP 0 F 1/2
 W 14/14, SB 3, TB 4, IP 3
Wed 19 Aug 2015
at 03:48
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
I made a post. Sorry if I took some liberties, just wanted to make a nice scene. And for once the dice roller had mercy on me. Sorry Larafyll if I stole your flare.
Storyteller
 GM, 329 posts
Wed 19 Aug 2015
at 08:44
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Jump of running wagon? Agi check but sure thing!
Osric Jutzenbach
 player, 232 posts
 Agi(38) AP(3-all)
 W14/15 For1/3 SB3 TB4 IP1
Wed 19 Aug 2015
at 19:36
Re: Raised flagons of ale! - The OoC Thread.
Yup, Osric tried and failed. Well at least he is off the wagon too.