Here is our new OOC thread.

Hi group, I hope it's ok I just call one of the options, to speed up things, when it doesn't seem to make a difference, like here? Else, call out now, and loudly!!
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its fine Celene :) thanks.

So this AP tells you about this skill challenge but leaves it up to you to define it? I mean, I know it is in a magazine but that seems pretty lazy on Paizo's part. Its like.. they want you to bake a cake.. don't worry, they'll provide you the kitchen but you need to go and buy all your own food ingredients and pay for the electricity.

Well i'm at a lost.. I need to roll a skill check... then somehow figure how it is applicable? What about profession(sailor). Could that be useful?

Well, they alternatively suggested just putting 3 zombies in each room. Gee... that would have been fun.



Shit, I don't know. Maybe the figure in the pillar is a sailor and you can sing him a sea shanty.

No, I have another idea... Maybe a sailor would know what sort of figure it is if I give a few more clues?

I mean, at least tell me what the rooms are meant to be! This room has such a strange shape. Why is it like that? Why are there three columns in the middle? I guess we'll have to make up the reason ourselves...

Can Logan assist me to hit a DC 16 STR check to tip the device over? Instead maybe an attack vs that 16?

A str check is fine by me

Sorry, everyone.  I was out of the office yesterday and promised WiFi. There was no WiFi, ergo no updates on my lunch break.  I'm back on today, though.

Well that was a disappointing end to some initially promising rolls...

Well, that didn't go so well...

Heh. Handle animal on the monstrous sea crabs made me smile.

Yeah, I don't know if it would have worked even if I hadn't rolled a nat 1

It's up to Angati to save the day.

I believe Nat 1s are not a botch unless you are talking combat... and this was not combat but skill contest right ?.

Correct, and we have even stopped using nat ones as a fumble.

I think Kassius was suggesting that the idea of using handle animal on very hungry giant crabs was a pretty funny concept and pushing the boundaries of what handle animal should be allowed to do.

OK, onto the next room. I'll set that up later today.

Yup! Also, some decent die rolls would be nice. Sigh...

That would be acrobatics my good sir. And yes, it looks like we are facing a horde in the last battle.

This was exactly what I wanted to propose. I was also starting to think about how we can survive - and win - the last battle.

But we can do it here, OOC/metagame, if that's ok with you/what you propose by asking explicitly?

Definitely best here in OOC.

Ok guys, what is your oppinion on retreating and recuperating after this room?

And should we start talking tactical ideas?

A little hard to talk tactics until you see the BBEG's room and how he has laid out his forces. At that point I will give you as much RL time as you need to work out a plan. Goodness knows that if you don't have a top notch plan this is going to be a TPK.

Well... If that means we have a guarantee from surprises, i'll refrain from the tactical idea to make logan invisible to undead, create a diversion at the barred door and have him slip in to scout the area...:-) that just made things easier:-)

But there are certainly things we'll still want to do before we enter!

I saw we rest and face the horde with all that we got. If we had done well in these rooms then maybe we could chance forcing the issue despite our weekend state. But we are at 10 zombies! We need to be at full capacity to survive this.

Wont that become 13 zombies if we rest ?.

Anyway, its probably better 13 rested than 10 unrested... given that we are so outnumbered. 30 percent plus... might not be that bad ??

I agree about resting and regrouping.

Tactically, since we're badly outnumbered, we want a bottlekneck to avoid being swarmed. Here's my proposal: you cast invisibility from undead on Logan. We position ourselves in the room with two pillars. Logan goes down the hallway, opens the door, and then quickly runs away back to the main room. The zombies have to shamble down the long hallway to get at us, all the time being hit by arrows and flame lances and the like. In the room, our melees (Alohan and Logan primarily, since Kibeti will probably still refuse to attack) are stationed off center to the doors, behind cover from enemy channels and spells (and not providing soft cover to the casters), but able to slice down anyone who comes through.

Sound good?

In terms of abilities, Logan hasn't actually used anything expendable, but the spell-casters are probably the weakest link in that regard.

I think Lassius's plan sounds workable, though I would add that arrows won't do much against the DR of the zombies.  Hopefully we can weaken a few of the zombies, especially if we have any motion-impeding effects (such as Kassius's Entangle) to give us a few more rounds to work on them.

Sorry, this is going to be LONG - please excuse me! :-( I'm just so excited about this battle I CAN'T HELP MYSELF (soooorry!! :-))

I agree, Angati, I don't think 7, 10 or 12 zombies would make a difference either - what makes the difference is the undead cleric. If we don't get him down, we are dead.

He can just stand back and heal his zombies faster than we can kill them, while they steadily chop us down. We had a hard time hitting them.  It's a matter of time before they get a few hits in and take out our shield. Or he can kill us with his channeling, it just takes one or two lucky rolls.

I am not reassured by our first battle with them at all, and then they were only five. And the cleric got scared away. I don't think we'll be that lucky next time. 

I very much agree with you both on the need for a bottle neck with our 'shield' up front (Alohan) and Logan invisible. But in my oppinion we need to focus everything on the cleric from the start. He need to go down within a round or two!

If we manage that, then we can use channeling on the zombies, while the shield holds them back at the bottle neck, while being supported by healers and oil archers. Channeling doesn't care if it is 1,5 or 20 zombies - and it doesn't care if there's a wall, cover or concealment.

But in my mind drawing them out and down the corridor would lock us down with the zombies. I would rather get the layout of the room they are in, and use that in a surprise attack, where we can set the pieces. As mentioned, Logan can get that layout, perhaps?

So my idea: one of us make a audible diversion (noise) at the barred double doors near the start, since they are directly in contact with the room they're in. At that moment, Logan slips in. Hence they don't see the door opening, as their attention is on the double doors. The diversion hurries back to the group.

What's essential in this plan, by the way, is that even though the undead cleric has an intelligence score, it's still dumb as a door knob. Intelligence 4 according to the stats John showed us - it's just above an animal, and can barely speak its' own language. I'm hoping (praying really) that the back story about his clever regrouping is just that - a story. We should be able to fool them with almost any diversion or trick. If it's really intelligent, we're toast.

Anyway, the cleric has a Will Save chance to be able to see him, but zombies automatically fail! So he may be able to scout it out without a care and slip back out when they don't look. They can't even hear him, so he can just call out to us beyond the door! Even if the cleric makes his save and manages to see him, he won't realise the zombies can't. He may try and point them to attack him, but they will just as soon attack the wall behind him. In that case, Logan can try and goad them around (but DO NOT attack or touch them, that ruins the spell), and line up the cleric without cover of the zombies and far from the door - then call us in for a surprise attack on him. Then we hit him hard - oil, silver, fire. We then fall back to the door (bottleneck) for cover.

Well, what do you guys think? Other options and oppinions?

There's a rule in the challenge that the max number of zombies is 12.

In reply to Celene (msg # 29):

All good points. I have increased the huecuva's intelligence very slightly so he can at least speak properly, but he will not be a great strategist I promise.

My morningstar is BP does that work on the zombies at least ?.

Also, my strongest thing that might be ill omen on the guy is a bit of bummer because they are undead and resist enchantment, and thats about my only attacking spell... unless I use up the healings on the huecuva...

Just don't use those channelings... keep them in reserve, they'll be better used when we all start getting hurt... that way they serve double purpose.... how many do you get ?.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:13, Tue 22 Sept 2015.

They won't; but the silvered ones should hurt the heucava pretty good. I could definitely chuck an entangle onto the hallway as well to buy us more time.



Your plan has promise as well. My worry is that Logan could get trapped in the room. The zombies might block the exit even if they can't find him. Also possible is the cleric could channel to harm, without needing line of sight. But if he's up for the risk, it could work.

well, Angati has a sling... and Kassius has made three silver bullets for her, if you didn't see that :-) And Celene has a little surprise for that too. Magic stone spell (on a scroll), giving you +1 to hit with them, and 2d6+2 damage a piece ON UNDEAD. Angati can blast him to pieces!

afraid the morning star won't work though... ?

Celene gets 7 channelings. but she can only use either harm undead OR heal living in the same round.

I could just.. abuse the GM's ruling about AoO, run through the zombie horde, grapple then subsequently pin the cleric. I doubt his CMD is something I couldnt handle.

But he will be a genius tactician.  :P



Nope, sorry. A morning star does B (bludgeoning) and P (piercing) damage, but not S (slashing). You need S to get past the DR5/slashing.



Correct, ill omen will not work on him or his zombie buddies since they are all immune to mind-altering effects. Yes, you could use CLW on them I suppose...



Yes, as Johannes said, each channeling can only do damage to undead OR heal the living - not both at the same time.

In addition to just making sure you are around for MF, the turbo-charged sling stone idea sounds good.

...Am I meant to be helping with tactics?



Heh. You've been watching too much American football - sack the quarterback!

Yes, you're right Kassius. It IS a dangerous plan for Logan!

But given his track record for getting into trouble, reckless behaviour and foolhardy descisions, I'd think he'd jump at the opportunity for another dangerous mission, eh Logan? :-)

But seriously, of course it's up to Logan/Johns himself if he wants to risk it.

His mission, should he choose to accept it, involves going behind enemy lines alone. Therefore we'll have to aid and protect him the best we can. That's why he's keeping my potion of CMW, in case the BBEG hurts him too much with channeling. Plus invisibility, and perhaps a protection from evil/chaos. EDIT: And he should look out for any traps, even though I doubt this slugger would know how to set one (after a hundred years they must be set off). As always, should he be caught or killed, we will disavow all knowledge of his actions :-)

Alohan, your suggestion might work! I'm not too sharp on the rules: won't you automatically be hit by his touch attack if grappling him? Can he perhaps still channel even if he is pinned? You still can't hurt him, right? Being in melee+cover, he's harder to hit for the rest of us.

On the plus side is you can flank him with Logan, who can then sneak attack him. On the Down side, the rest of us need a shield against the zombies. I don't know, what do you all think?

Kassius, what happens if Kibeti won't follow your command to attack, but is attacked itself by the zombies?



But on a more general level, I think we've agreed so far on retreating for a rest in a secured chamber. John/GM, do you want us to write it up?
This message was last edited by the player at 07:12, Wed 23 Sept 2015.

Ok, that was a quick rest :-)

Then we might as well get settled on where to take the fight.

Ok, send your oppinions in: who wants to go for the rooms with the pillars, and who wants to go for the BBEG's room?
This message was last edited by the player at 10:02, Wed 23 Sept 2015.

I think you can still channel when you're grappled.  Being grappled prevents you from using spells with somatic components, but I think channeling is more basic than that - you're just channeling divine power, which comes naturally to clerics.  Also, channeling doesn't provoke AoO, so it must not be "distracting" to the caster.

As for the plan, Logan is completely okay with foolhardy, risky plans.  He's jumping at the chance to sink his dagger into the hecueva.  Hopefully one or two good attacks with some sneak attack dice can bring down that thing pretty quick.  (Assuming I can roll better than I have been on those skill checks!)

No worries: the good part is we optimize XP profit:-). Go Angati, one more fail, we want the full monty, not some '12 zombies and a skeleton' :-)

So, please, more oppinions on where to take the battle?

Huh? The huecuva doesn't have a touch attack, so that is N/A.

The huecuva could try and attach Alohan with a 'light or natural weapon' while grappled ie its claws. It will attack at -2, but Alohan will also have -2 AC (-4 to dex) while in the grapple.



He could channel while grappled without a problem since he just needs to use one hand, raise his holy symbol and shout out a single word.

He could TRY to channel while pinned with a concentration check with a DC = 10 + the Alohan's CMB + the level of the spell (e.g. zero) = 15 if Alohan is normal or 17 if Alhan is raging. The BBEG's bonus to his conc check roll is +4, so he might be able to do it.

He won't be able to channel if tied up.



As Kassius said, he now has 7 silver arrows and can potentially do a lot of damage. Yeah, the BBEG might be hard to hit if he is in melee and behind zombies, but once he is grappled or pinned that gets easier. Kassius would need to keep away from the zombie buddies to do that though.



Yes, except Kassius can't hurt the huecuva with his scimitar thanks to the DR10/silver.


In order for Kassius to maneuver Kibeti into a position where he is likely to be attacked by a zombie I would require a handle animal check. If he was attacked I would make some sort of roll to see if he would stay and fight or try and run away. He isn't some sort of super cat - at least not yet.

I want to see the enemies arrangement before we get to talking strategies. But the DM rules are correct -I think Grappling and Pinning is a safe way to go. Alohan would probably be in a very difficult situation but holding the huecuva down, potentially even getting him tied up!... It would give you guys time to clear through the zombies, take him out the game. I dunno. I am nervous.

Earlier you mentioned something about the huecuva draining our strength. I was referring to that, but that may not be a touch attack then. Haven't checked.



I meant Alohan can't hurt him. And if he's grappling the huecuva, we have a harder time shooting it (melee penalty and perhaps cover).



Again, I meant this for Alohan, flanking BBEG along with Logan while trying to grapple. In my oppinion Kassius is not going close. In my mind: Alohan = our shield, Kassius = our bomber. Hence, in my mind, all except Logan (who stays just far enough away to not give melee penalty to our ranged attacks) launch ranged attacks at the huecuva first. Then Logan can close for a sneak attack.

One of the most important things to remember if getting close to the zombies is to move away - all the time!

yes, you're right, we have to be able to improvise as needed. But I'm mostly afraid of the fragile/vulnerable bombers (Kassius, Angati) and buff/bombers (Celene) loosing their shield (i.e. if Alohan chooses to go for grappling the BBEG) - that takes them away from damaging the huecuva. And they can't take down the zombies fast enough - they'll swarm you, and logan, and us. We need that bottleneck with you as the cork.



Good! You should be. Perhaps even scared! :-)

I agree with Celene here. Grappling is a great strategy against enemy casters, but we need you to keep the zombie hordes off of us. Kassius isn't that fragile (decent AC and HP) in melee, but his offensively prowess is significantly worse with melee weapons than ranged weapons. If we could rely on Kibeti to fight off the zombies, I might be more favorable to the grapple strategy, but that's a pretty chancy thing.


Makes sense; that was my assumption as well.

I am not suggesting we start with the grapple. Maybe when the herd thins.

I mean, are you telling me out of 12 zombies you guys wont be able to handle a few by yourselves? Alohan doesnt have that much AC or HP. To rely on me being a 'cork' means we will go down fast.

Lets just get started and see what we do.

My point would be that the huecuva should be down before the herd starts thinning.

Alohan has the very best HP, and let's see what we can do about the AC. I think we have other tricks up the sleeves :-)

Its fingernails are so long and sharp that they are effectively claws. Its fingernails are also very dirty, and filled with all the grime from this dungeon so they carry 'filth fever' which sucks away your strength if you fail the save.

I'm still marveling at my incredibly poor rolling.  There was better than a 90% chance that Logan would have succeeded on at least two of those rolls, and a 65% chance he'd have succeeded on at least 3.

As a player, I didnt really like the was this challenge functioned... at first. Yea, even tho we utterly failed at it, my opinion of it changed due to the way it was executed. As a GM, it looks like it would be a nightmare. Yet the way the dungeon is designed, it can be contained in its simplicity.

I might have to adapt this for my own designs.

Anyway, we are in store for a hell-of-a-time. Good bye Alohan. I will miss you.

Ah, yes, I see it now. So that's 'just' a long term effect, nothing to worry about during the battle?

Oh, and Alohan shouldn't face more than a couple, if we find a proper bottle neck. But you're still right, we need the setting first to decide for sure. Maybe, in fact, a better option would be to use mobility against the zombies, since they're staggered. Staggered they can't both have a move action and a standard attack action. Being always JUST out of reach (5 feet = one square from the nearest) they can't harm or grapple us, since the need a distance of 10 feet (2 squares) to be able to Charge (which makes them able to move and attack in the same round). But I find that a risky proposition, as a slight mis-judgement on where which zombies go will get you caught. And eaten. Exciting :-)

Aye the staggered part calls for something :)

So, I'm afraid your party caller is at a loss here. I am very loath (? = unwilling) to pick one particular plan, as it's such an important battle (life and death!), and we now have, what, 3 different locations and several tactics up for discussion?

I am getting a bit of cold feet on my own suggestion to barge in and focus on hitting the cleric fast and focused, since I am afraid he's got too many hitpoints to get down quickly, before the melees are swarmed by zombies? Would a quick entangle from Kassius solve that, if we get them distracted far from the entrance, and Logan and Alohan both storm towards the cleric?

BTW, John, how fast can a person run from the barred double doors to the entrance to the BBEG HQ?

I can't figure out if your idea is the best, Kassius, getting the zombies out in the central room and trying to fight them one by one at the entrance door (H3). From our first battle I feel we had a hard time getting them down fast enough, so 12 zombies (+ a healing cleric) will eventually get us down. Celene won't be able to hit more than 3-4 with each channeling at that position. What do you think?

I've made a map with coordinates to make references easier:



I have thought up yet another alternative below, a combination of most of your tactics and ideas we've got so far. I don't know if that could be of use.

I would rig this room up (B1-D4) with oil, as well as the corridor to H3, which I think might be best point to hold them as Kassius suggested profiting the slippery surface and the slope, we can pour more oil getting them all soaked...

I'd start by this without trying to split up to get the cleric first... see how many we can bring down... once fire is out we charge down... the huecuva either goes next to the zombies to heal in which case he stays burning, or he doesnt in which case they die.

I really don't think we can plan much more than this. We don't know for sure if there is another corridor or connection that might allow them to go round on us.

So... I'd rig this room and corridor... lure them to us, and then when they all come, and we are sure they are in both rooms.. we put it all to fire. Holding them at H3.  It might be good if we could block the door at A2 once they have passed through but I think that might be difficult to manage.

Anyway, I'd keep the invisibility for after the fire has been over, and the number of zombies has go down, so that logan can sneak to the guy and go at him.

I know it leaves him the option to heal the zombies, but I think less things can go wrong with this, than if logan starts from the begining trying to get at the cleric...

Anyway, just my take on this :)

Yes, loved your idea about soaking everything in oil!

At first i though you meant us to fight in the B1-D4 room, but you follow kassius idea by using the corridor i now see. Fewer options, good:-).

So, we have to choose between two principles:
1) going for the cleric first
2) taking the zombies first
I think we have angatis, kassius and celenes oppinions clear.

Logan and Alohan?

 (Sorry if this turns into a democratic descision, bur your party caller can't handle the pressure of all that responsibilty:-)

Just a quick add: my idea doesn't neccessarily mean we take out the zombies first. I'm actually most effective ranged against the cleric (I have silver arrows, but not slashing ones), so I'd probably shoot at him if he's in sight, even if there are zombies in the way. And once he gets within closer range we can also blast him with holy water/oil/spells. I just think we should stay bunched in the room at the end of the corridor to keep from being split up, surrounded, and/or overwhelmed by the zombies' superior numbers.

Ok, got it. But in all likelyhood he'll be out of pur reach  as we can only see the first couple of enemies at the 'broken' corridor, right?

Technically, multiple enemies in a row don't block line-of-sight or line-of-effect, and soft-cover doesn't stack, so if you're standing at say H7 (and the doors are all open), you can see and target squares anywhere down the A-G67 hallway.

That said, flasks probably only have a max range of 50 ft, and an effective range of less than that before range penalties start causing problems. And I think your flame lance has a range of 30 ft as well, right?

On a different note, there was some mention of coating a room in oil. I was not aware we had anywhere near enough oil to do that. I thought we had a few vials, which might be enough to coat 1 5x5 square, but not a whole room. I could be mistaken though...

Oh, you are suggesting the southern entrance then? I and angati thought you meant the northern corridor, that has a sharp corner limiting visibility.

I agree on the ranges.

While you were busy galvanizing your arrows, we found 15 vials of oil. That's a start i think. But they only burn for two rounds and does 1d3 damage, so effect wise their use is limited...:-/ but cool idea!

Yeah, that had been my original thought. I hadn't even noticed the door at A2. I figured the long corridor would be a nice kill zone, while preventing the zombies from spreading out and overwhelming us. We'd shoot at them as they amble down the hall (possibly through entangle and oil flask traps). Then our melee would be right in the room at H6 to gank them as they come through.

That talk of damage from oil made me think.

I don't like to bring too much math into the game, but there is one thing that bothers me. I'll keep it short.

12 zombies at 16-17 hp (from what I gather from our first fight) is minimum 192 hp

We have 17 flasks of oil, for an average of 3,5 hp damage, total damage 60 hp
(ASSUMING we hit with all of them, which is far from reality). Standard ranged attacks from Kassius and Angati won't hurt them.
That leaves about 132 hp damage that Alohan and Logan needs to do. I don't know their average damage, but if we assume an average of damage 6, that's about 22 SUCCESFUL hits. Celene can aid somewhat with the channeling, but only a few in the front if we have them in a long corridor. And that's not counting the cleric healing his zombies... He can simply "cancel" her channeling.

Instead, if Celene is placed behind a door or other cover, within 30 feet of all 12 zombies, she can channel 7 times, and do an average of 3,5 damage per round to each. That's 294 hp damage.

There is no miss chance, but of course only half damage if them make all their saves, but I'm guessing they save less than 50 % of the time. Even if they save ALL rolls, it's still 147 damage, 3/4 of the way to get them down.

But of course, that output requires two things at least:
- that she can get within 30 feet of all zombies at once
- that the evil cleric can't get to heal them - which would make her channeling useless!
EDIT: we don't neccesarily have to get him down to fulfill that requirement - we could also just get him to use his channeling elsewhere. IDEAS WELCOME! E.g. an invisible logan with his Cure Moderat wounds potion and Saving throw bonuses, running around goading him to channel-harm him a couple of times? Risky.... :-)

Can you melee guys make 22 succesful hits without being hit and going down yourself? I don't have enough experience with battles in pathfinder yet, to know for sure if that's likely. What do you say?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:51, Mon 28 Sept 2015.

It's a good point. Having Kibeti be willing to attack would definitely help. Kassius can draw his scimitar and start cutting down some zombies as well, once the cleric is down, although he won't do much with it (just 1d6).

On completely unrelated news, I just passed my Phd dissertation defense. So that's Dr. Kassius now!

Congrats Dr Kassius! and it coincides with NASA's recent Mars announcement!

I am not really big on numbers, averages, and... hell, strategy. I am more of the wait and see type. One thing is for certain. If I am going to be up front, Alohan is going to grease himself up.

Sorry I have been distant this weekend. Try and get back on track soon.

Wow, congratulations doctor!! Do you have a carreer at NASA ahead of you now?

Yes, exciting confirmations about Mars indeed!

Yes, but we'd want him throwing oil i think, to hit with at least some of it. Celene sucks at ranged attack into melee/cover, i don't know about angati.

No worries! But we'd like your and logans input to which overall plan we use, before we go ahead. It's a major turning point.

Regarding numbers i was just trying to say that if we choose to stay together and bottleneck them in a corridor, you and logan need to hit A LOT. (And the ranged attackers as well). And it will take a lot of rounds.

EDIT: we'd want alohan greased anyway:-D
This message was last edited by the player at 07:11, Tue 29 Sept 2015.

Big Congrats Dr Kassius :-)

Maybe? I'm interested in getting a job in the academe, but NASA would be good as well. I'm applying to various postdocs now, including some at NASA, as well as various universities. And yes, Mars is exciting. We're learning some really weird things about Pluto as well...

...

Yeah, Kassius can throw oil/holy water. He has point blank shot and precise shot, so he hits more often and does slightly more damage.

I think we should leave the Doctor, The thief, and the well oiled man handle this combat while the girls watch from behind.

So, if you see the point about the wasted channeling damage, do you have a suggestion how to get a proper use of it? Kassius, Angati...?

Really my math was pretty much the same as yours, we either hit as many as possible with things like fire and your channel or we are pretty much done.

But I think we should start with the fire... just because while it is controlled and set before the fight its so much easier... and I think we can hit them all by soaking up the room beforehand, and by using the slope in the corridor to continue feeding the fire... after all, it doesnt matter where we hit as long as the oil flows down through the corridor and into the room.

I would hold back on channeling until after the heucava goes down. Channeling is great for doing mass damage, but as you said, it can just channel to heal and cancel that damage. But once it goes down, mass target damage (oil, channeling, etc) becomes much more cost effective than single-target damage.

Congrats Dr Kassius!

Some good ideas coming through. Things I never thought about.

Exactly. Yeah, I think we're all agreeing on most points.

But I'm still calling out for ideas to get the huecuva down or unable to heal his zombies - so we don't waste precious area damage to his area healing.

Besides the two ideas I've pitched you, which you guys don't like, we don't have a plan for him... :-/

If we don't have a plan for him, we'll end up in the grinder with too many zombies who'll wear us down.

It's a fair point. I think I've been hoping Kassius' arrows (with maybe a few flasks or flame lances and/or channels) could take the heucava down, but it might by better to try and split up the zombies. Both ways have risks I guess!

Congratulations, Kassius!

Sorry I've been so absent the past few day.  I'm on an anniversary trip with my wife (got my mother to watch all the kids for a week) and I'm enjoying the outdoor activities a lot, which doesn't leave a lot of time for posting on RPoL.  I'll be back to normal next week, and I'm still checking in, just not posting  lot.

Various questions for the GM:
- Can all doors except the double doors H6-7 be closed? And can we use the crates and stuff to bar doors?
- What direction does the corridor E2-G3 slope?
- With the saw we found, how long would it take to saw either the bar across the inside of the door, or the hinges (as suggested under the description of a saw in the rules)?
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Yeah, ranged alone won't take him down, i am afraid. We need one or two to tackle him.

What do you mean by splitting up the zombies?

Yes and Yes



Southwards, so not very useful. And it is a gentle slope, oil isn't going to move much on it.



1 minute (10 rounds) with a DC10 disable device check to halve this time. This can be sawing the bar or removing the hinges as you want.

Celene, I think its time to make a call on what to do :) things are stretching too much and I do not think anyone will hold you responsible for anything.

Just take a dive :)

I am saying in a kind way, I just feel its time to move on, even if its a bad move it will be better than holding any longer...

Yeah, I was thinking that too, but I wouldn't want to push anyone, since we have so many different oppinions, and it's pretty dangerous to some.

Ok, once this is over (and if we survive), I am relinquishing the party-caller role for someone else - I am much too talkative for it!

Anyways, the plan will then go back to the original, attacking them in their own room, since we need to get to the cleric, but still don't want to split us up (too much).

I'll try and post it later today, I'm busy for now.

GM, how long does it take to run from the barred double doors (A6) around to the door to the huecuva room (B2)?

it is 17 squares of which 4 are difficult terrain (in the slippery corridor). Assuming that you put some boards over the difficult terrain to make it normally passable you're looking at 85 ft. Alohan has a base move of 40', the rest of you are on 30'. All of you can run (x4) because you're not wearing heavy armour. Alohan can move up to 160ft in a round and the rest 120ft.

So... one round. And you can even move a little bit further if the door was already open.

Please don't, I don't think this is being over talkative, its just that the medium pbp, is too unforgiving with pauses. Just give it a go, this is a game after all, we have all exposed what we think, so do whatever you feel best and lets lets get on with the fun :)

You see, I think there is a certain Thrill that one feels on making his character advance through the story, and as a character... and these pauses, cool it all down to a point when one seems to loose the touch with his character and looses a bit the eagerness to post and continue developing.

Well, at the very least, this should be the most fun/exciting option - charge in firing.

But i think we need alohan to take logans place going in invisibly, to be sure he can get to grabble it, sorry!

Should i write all preparation up until we enter? It's a lot, but gets us fastest to the fun part?

EDITED: see at the end. Remember, buffs have been changed for Alohan and Logan.

Oh well, here it is, for better or worse. Should we move it to the thread now, John? You take if from here...

Attacking the lair of the huecuva:

Overall plan is to get an invisible scout in and check the room. If he remains invisible and unheard by the huecuva, he'll guide us when to attack etc. If the huecuva can see him, he'll try and goad it into position without cover of the zombies for a surprise attack by the rest. But it likely has too many hp to get it down easily, so we need Alohan to grapple it as a backup!

Logan needs to be the spy as it may be dark in there. Alohan then needs to move in for the grapple when we enter, without getting in the way of the archers first. We therefore need to change our spy from Logan to Alohan for going in, as he needs to be close for a grapple after our ranged attacks.

So, well ahead of time for the attack, we do the following:



Logan then examines the door for traps, and if it's locked. Listens and peeks through the key hole.

After this, the rest go to the double doors to make a diversion. This should get the undeads' attention, making them take position around the door to handle the intruders. All except Alohan move back north. Alohan stays, to saw in the bar, make a little noise (make juicy, fleshy sounds :-) ) etc. until he hears Logan has entered and is getting ready to call us in. He then RUNS back (1 round). He shouldn't saw the bar through. Actually he could saw it all through, and then run, to let the zombies surge out into the corridor. That would leave us with fewer zombies and more room to get to the huecuva! He should just run as soon as it's through!!



After a few rounds of sawing, Logan enters the room.

Logan checks if the huecuva can hear him, shouting something that should get its attention.
- If not, he shouts out how the layout is, where the undead are, and when the party should charge. He can ignite stuff, throw oil somewhere, move stuff etc. to get the undeads' attention, JUST DON'T TOUCH OR ATTACK THEM (NO OIL AT THEM EITHER) to try and draw them away. He should stay close to the huecuva, to grapple/attack it when the party has entered.
- If it can see him, he challenges it, goading it into the open (the zombies can't see him), and shouts when the party should charge in. He should stay far from it, so it moves far from the zombies if it wants to attack him.

Of course, Logans mission impossible is hard to predict, so he just improvises as best he can. But as soon as Alohan is through the bar or hears Logans first shouting to the huecuvashout to enter, he runs back to the group. When he's back, the group is ready to enter at Logans cue.

The group then moves in, firing at the huecuva.

From here, it even harder to say what happens but suggestions:

ENTANGLE when the rest have moved in.
Cover our backs
move back if engaged by a zombie
Logan as a 'grapple shield' or melee with BBEG?
Kibeti forward...?
ALohan grapple, then tie up and gag the BBEG, or move it to us?
Save spells for healing - we'll need it.

Buff summary:
Logan: undetectable to undead (save DC13 for intelligent undead), +2 AC, +2 to saving throw vs. evil or +1 to other saving throws, +1 to one  attack/skill/saving throw. Remember bonuses for being invisible when attacking first undead.
Angati: 3x +1 silver bullets (2d6+2 damage), +1 to one  attack/skill/saving throw
Kassius: +1 to one  attack/skill/saving throw
Alohan: +4 AC, +5 CMD/escape artist, +1 to one  attack/skill/saving throw
Celene: +1 to one  attack/skill/saving throw

EDITED: Most instances of Logan are changed for Alohan and vice versa, except trap checking (Logan), Grease (Alohan) and Mage armour (Alohan), a change of plan for the sawing in the south corridor (Celene tells Alohan to do this down there if need be) and a change of the grapple plan as Alohan still needs to get in close for the grapple (red) even though he's not the one going in hidden. I think that was it...John, are these changes ok?
This message was last edited by the player at 21:17, Wed 30 Sept 2015.

WAIT, DAMN, i forgot, it is probably dark in there! It has to be logan with his darkvision.

Change logan to alohan (who the has to move and grapple first round). Hope that works...

Ok, just adding my misfortune on those zombies on failing resistances to Celene's channeling (at least once).
As for you guys, you know when to use it better than me calling out, just remember Angati needs to see it to be able to do it.

Johannes, you are awesome. That is an awesome tactical breakdown. Im on board

OK, I think I get it. Let's try this.

Are what do we do?

Now we let Logan do his part. When he's sure the huecuva can't see or hear him (which from the GMs description we apparently already know it can't?), he calls out to us to let us know what things look like and where we should be heading to get a good position. That of course may be a slight problem, if Logan-John is out vacationing with his wife (well earned i'm sure!). John?

Note, all remaining outside, except Alohan who keeps up the noise, slip back to the Olidammara room, where we prepare. To avoid being heard, we cast most spells outside the room, then go into it and wait.

Actually, I meant that all except Alohan waited to the north, to be able to quickly aid logan if the cuehuva could see him, but since it can't, this is fine.

Note, undead can't even hear or smell him - but if he e.g. throws something, they can hear that hit and clatter on the floor, etc.

Meanwhile, Logan moves in position near the huecuva, ready for our attack. If he deems it smart, he tries to distract the zombies away from our likely position, e.g. get them into the water. Up to him!

How is it here in pathfinder: do we get a 'surprise round' if we surprise them (seems likely), and can then also act first in the first normal round? So in essence move and attack twice? If so, Kassius maybe should wait to the normal round with his entangle? Then I'd suggest we move far west, so we're west or northwest of the huecuva, able to support Alohan and Logan in a crisis, yet furthest from the zombies? But if they can move first in the first real round, he should cast it before that.

Just remember not to get that column between you and the huecuva (cover) when shooting!

I'll try and update the setup from earlier today (changing logan to alohan) now.

Btw, I think the colourful description of piraty talk bears witness to our GM having had a good and slightly tipsy evening. Good on ye, mate! :-)

Ok updated the plan above, have a look, mates.

Hmm, maybe Logan could help alohan grappling? Had not seen that option before...

In reply to Celene (msg # 94):

I think surprise rounds are only one action either act or move...  and then the standard action first if you win the initiative.

Yeah, but we aren't doing surprise rounds because we are doing this modified initiative rule. So:

1) If the party gets ‘surprise’ then they get the first action round (like normal actually)
2) If the enemy get ‘surprise’ then they just get to go first.

In regards to only Alohan going down south… OK, I will change that. So the rest of the party (minus Logan) are in the northern room in the dark?

Well, party caller, I'll give John/Logan until tonight, but I think he is away so you'll have to let me know what you want his character to do. Just so you know, the water is very shallow, about knee deep at the deepest point, not really going to slow them (the zombies) down.

May I suggest that we just get this combat started? I will say that Alohan finishes sawing through the door at the same moment you guys burst in from the northern room. Kassius can cast entangle and off we go...

Sounds fair, let's give him tonight, then i'll give some pointers to get us of?

You know, I don't think it's actually perception that will let the huecuva be affected.  According to the spell description, it gets to make a Will Save.

Yeah, the will roll was made in secret ;) Apparently he failed because it isn't reacting to you, but I gave him a chance to spot the door opening and closing - I didn't know what the DC was, but just knew he had to roll high and he did.

Let me know if I have everything right here... Are your hp correct? Are there additional spells you want in play before you start? Please include your AC and save information in your stat block. Alohan, pls post your CMB and CMD with rage and grease and martial art skills included.

And then settle in for a long one - this combat will take a month of real time I think. :/  !!!

One thing missing I think.... I had cast prot. from evil on Logan.

As for my HP & AC its correct. Angati is wielding the sling and holding the shield on her other hand. (It will take a move action to switch to oil...

In reply to Angati (msg # 102):

OK, I will include the prot from evil.

Using MF already? Bold move...

details (from the plan)
- mage armour for alohan is +4 to AC
- celene tried to keep all buffed with guidance (1 minute) for their first shot/roll in the battle, but if that's impossible for some reason that's of course fine, just let us know either way.

more important:

we meant to wait one round fot alohan to get back before entering, so he can join too, and for the zombies to surge into the corridor after the "screaming, terror-stricken and fleeing Alohan":-) but again if that's impossible let us know...
This message was last edited by the player at 08:08, Fri 02 Oct 2015.

OK, I'll fix the mage armour and use, you can use guidance for the first shot

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OK, I understand. Good plan. Yes, sure we can do that. Alohan, let me know which square you have pulled back to.

...back to the rest of the group, to enter the room with us the next round (since running around took a round you said). Sorry if i haven't detailed it enough! Actually i thought i overdid it :-)

In reply to Celene (msg # 106):

Oh, right! So then he isn't trying to draw ALL the zombies down the corridor? Is he just trying to draw a couple that direction while he sprints around? I would say that a few would head that way until they loose sight of Alohan and hear the sounds of combat behind them... Hmm... I'll figure something out.

Yes, he can make it the whole way, of course that ends up being a full round action.
This message was last edited by the GM at 09:42, Fri 02 Oct 2015.

Huecuva Stats: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...stiary3/huecuva.html

DEFENSE

AC 15, touch 12, flat-footed 13 (+2 Dex, +3 natural)
hp 16 (3d8+3)
Fort +2, Ref +3, Will +4
DR 5/magic or silver; Immune undead traits

OFFENSE

Speed 30 ft.
Melee 2 claws +4 (1d4+1 plus disease)

As for the MF I figure I only have 3 shots... better make them count... and if the guy goes down soon it will make a big difference I think.

Anyway, I am not sure If you need me to delete post and remake later on after we rerun the order of events ?.

You tell me, I am happy either way.

In reply to Angati (msg # 108):

Oh yes, but that is a normal huecuva - not the turbo-charged apprentice lich huecuva that you are facing here!

I think your post is going to be good. And nine points of damage is very respectable.

Yep, you got it right! The important part was that he enters with the rest of us, so he can join the fray before Kassius locks down everything with his entangle! Moving them out a bit would of course be a great bonus!

Not knowing the layout beforehand, we couldn't be sure we could try and draw them all out, so the safe bet was just get his oiled butt (sorry!) back here ASAP. In hindsight we may always have done it differently :-)
This message was last edited by the player at 10:14, Fri 02 Oct 2015.

Yeah, that's what had me worried. We know it can channel, and therefore likely cast spells to. Does channeling also require a concentration check under the circumstances when spells do (grappled etc.)?

Plenty more hp too, likely!!

But yes, 9 hp is a solid one! Just need to keep it up, and deny it the chance to heal.

question: does bonuses to attack roll also mean bonuses to combat maneuvers, like grapple? E.g. +1 to attacks also gives +1 to grapple?

He could channel while grappled without a problem since he just needs to use one hand, raise his holy symbol and shout out a single word.

He could TRY to channel while pinned with a concentration check with a DC = 10 + the Alohan's CMB + the level of the spell (e.g. zero) = 15 if Alohan is normal or 17 if Alhan is raging. The BBEG's bonus to his conc check roll is +4, so he might be able to do it.

He won't be able to channel if tied up.



Yes, he can heal himself and his buddies 2d6 every round unless you stop him.

Yes. You can also use it on your grapple check.

Heh, true :-)

Ok, wasn't sure how you figured Alohan in yet.

(moving this to OOC)

Hopefully I can do a little more damage next time!

Yeah, but a hit's a hit! Keep it up!

And let's see if you're allowed to remain in F4 this time :-)

Did you use +2 to hit from Blessing of the faithful? If so, you get it to any AoO that may come up before next turn. If not, you can choose later if you want to use it on saves or AC. But you should inform GM before he attacks you if it's AC.

Sorry I had seen GMs post  and thought that it was a new round and maybe I had missed their actions or missunderstood how it all went, so I went ahead and posted.

Beni, will Angati fire the last bullet next round? I'd like to give optimum chances for a hit if she fires, so let me know, and allow her to boost you first, ok?

Logan, just a reminder (if the damage gets worse), you ended up with the potion of cure moderate wounds.

I am alive. My birthday was Thursday and it has been a long eventful weekend. With that said, i am going to try and get caught up tonight. Hopefully I didnt derail anything too much by disappearing.

Whew, glad to have to have you back, big guy :-) - and alive!

Go get'im! :-)

Oh, and congratulations :-)
This message was last edited by the player at 20:57, Sun 04 Oct 2015.

Is my part in this plan to just try and overcome the Huecuva? Nothing I have on me will be able to overcome his DR so I am stuck just... punching .. The more damage, the more that can be translated to his face.

Alternatively, I can possibly try and thin the zombie herd. This might cause the Huecuva to focus on keeping them healthy and not use his spells vs us. Whats the plan?

Maybe stay at the edge of the entangle and take out the zombies as they try and come in? Also, try and position yourself to help Logan get Sneak Attack against the Heucava even if you aren't attacking it. Not sure it will work right now, but maybe if he's drawn out.

Also, GM two notes:
The entangle spell should last until Zombies round 22 (it lasts 1 minute/lvl, and I'm lvl 2)

Also, the Heucava can't five foot step (since it's in difficult terrain), so it should provoke an AoO from Logan when it moved away. Sadly not a sneak attack, since having attacked, he's now visible, but every little bit counts.

And Logan may be at +2 to hit from Blessing of the faithfull, if that's his choice (Logan?)

Good of you to ask, Ron! The original plan was that Alohan enter with the rest of us and attempt to grapple the huecuva, pin him, and tie him up. This was because we're thinking it's going to be very tough to get it down with normal damage, before the zombies swarm us.

Due to usual misunderstandings, Alohan's round was turned into a full action run, so Alohan never had the chance to grapple while the huecuva was separated from the zombies. Now it's ... more difficult.

I don't know how resistant Alohan is to the zombies, with his mage armor and greased up? Can he survive grappling with them pouncing on him?

So, it's up to you now, I think, I don't know what's best. Suggestions/options:
- if he can survive going close, go and grapple it (huecuva). If you do, you can either move it away from the zombies and towards Logan or start pin/tie up.
- you do have something that overcomes his DR: Fire damage from the oil flasks we've prepared. If the GM is ok with you having prepared it for your arrival(GM? - we prepared lots of oil), you can throw it at the huecuva right away.


Regarding flanking with logan:
giving Logan flank (= sneak damage) might be hard (they have to be on opposite sides, right?). That would require getting on the other side of it - and next to a zombie. Celene can do it, but it requires a whole round. Depending on circumstances (if Angati waits for a better chance with her last bullet so she doesn't need a boost now) Celene will do  it next round. Logan, if you want flank, there needs to be a free square opposite the huecuva from you, for Celene to place a summon. But it won't be here before the end of next round, so you can hold your moving into position until then.

heh heh wrestle him! That will be funny...

Oh yeah. OK, fixed.



I didn't know that. Cool. Logan, take an AoO please.

Happy Bday to you and me... I just turned 43 yesterday too... :)

Celene, yes, I was planning on trying to hit him with the stone right away, else changing weapons and all means loosing actions.

Hey, congratulations to you too! Mine is on the 16th, but only 40:-)

Ok, Celene will give you +2 if you wait for her.  But I just want to remind that if logan/alohan go into melee with the huecuva, you might be looking at -8 to hit (if they are also between you and the huecuva). Waiting for a better shot may be worth it...

Healing may be required instead, depending on what happens?

Hm, because of all the zombies? Or for some other reason i'm not getting..?

Actually, F5 is free of zombie risk at the moment!!

BTW, forgot kassius' suggestion of containing escapee zombies, and your own of trying to make the huecuva heal by damaging the zombies, which are both good options too. If you think it'll choose to heal, it's a fine strategy for getting its' channelings out of the way! But that depends on its response...
This message was last edited by the player at 10:15, Mon 05 Oct 2015.

Yes, he would be wrestling a creature with poisonous claws in the middle of a horde of ravenous grappling zombie pirates while roots come up and try to entangle him. Those are tough conditions to grapple in!

What is the plan with furry of blows though? They don't bypass the DR10 versus silver, right?

DR 5 right? Not 10? if it is DR 5, I get two attacks at a d6+3. that means I deal some damage on a 3-6. With two attacks, I should be able to deal more damage over time.

The zombies are DR5/slashing, the BBEG is DR10/ silver. Hang on, were you attacking the huecuva or a zombie?

Aww, come on, he's in the thick of it now anyway - no matter if he grapples or blows? Would it?

By the way, Alohan, why did you move closer to the zombies? You could avoid them at F5 but moved the other way to H5... Oh, are you making a flank with Logan?

I'm not sure, but have you calculated in the +4 armor bonus to Alohans AC? It seems only one higher than during our last battle (15->16)?

And yes, there seems to be a misunderstanding about the DR/silver :-(. I guess it comes from the huecuva stat info we got earlier. Those stats are for a GENERIC huecuva I gather. A knowledge roll only gives knowledge of a general 'template' of creature, not a specific one. What we're fighting is our GM's own devious clerically gifted (at least three levels) huecuva, with at least 3d8 more hp, and it apparently has DR10/silver, not DR5... Impossible to get through with those fists :-(

Crap I got confused with the normal Huecuva vs turbo charged. But yea, I attacked the huecuva assuming it was DR/5. If it is DR/10, I have no chance of dealing any damage to it. My best bet is to start hacking up zombies.

Which is what ill start to do.

Damn! No, it is me who is confused. It is only DR5/magic or silver. How did I mess that up so bad?!

When I turbo charged him I didn't mess with the DR - that would have been too cruel. No, I was just wrong wrong wrong. He only has DR5/silver or magic.

OK, I am trying to work out Logan's modifiers for his next attack to help John out (and also in case I need to roll for him tonight).

So Logan currently has:

+2 from blessing of the faithful assuming he uses that on the attack roll
+1 from guidance that was last round
+2 from flank attack assuming he gets into F7 and is opposite Alohan. This will require him to get into the water which is difficult terrain.
+1 MW silver dagger
+4 from dex (combat finesse)
+1 BAB

=+10 in total. Impressive.

Too cruel for you? Pftt!

Yep, impressive! Remembet his AoO.

Wait, blessing of the faithful was last round, right? But it was still effective when he makes the AoO.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:42, Tue 06 Oct 2015.

I did use Blessing of the Faithful to boost my attack last round.

I'm going along based on the maps position of the huecuva. You wrote he moved a few steps, but that would've given Logan and Alohan AoO, so I guess he thought better of it - or did it get caught by the entangle before it moved? Awesome spell!!

And awesome hit, Logan - right back at him! BTW, you still cite  quidance in your buff, it's long gone, sorry (one roll only, within one minute)...

Well, Kassius, waiting for a +2 to hit, coupled with a -4 dex on the entangled huecuva might have paid off (?). Patience... ;-) Ok, pretty hard to know it's coming :-), but it's there for your next shot!

It does have -4 dex now, right?

Fire away!

The entangle penalty plus divine vessel bonus might have made the first attack hit, but I forgot/didn't have them when I rolled, and the re-roll will miss even with the bonus.. I'll have the bonus for next round instead. Maybe I can buff my handle animal check and actually get Kibeti to help us kill some zombies!

That's certainly an option! What do you need to succeed in that, anyway? It's pretty hard, isn't it?

Ah, good catch.  I didn't include guidance in my attack roll, but I forgot to erase it from my active effects there.

Ah, so you knew it was gone, good.

It's actually hard to know how much I should write reminders etc. on - because i don't know how much you know and remember of the rules, buffs and so on. E.g. some of the cleric abilities are domain/archetype dependant - I don't expect you to know these ablities! But do you? And if you don't, how often should i 'recap' them?

btw, Kassius, don't worry, Celene will move away next round to give you a shot - if you give her time to do it :-)

It's DC 25. I get a +4 for Kibeti being my companion, but it's still a charisma based skill, so my base is only +3. There's also an additional -2 if Kibeti's been injured.

Ugh! But at least it's a move action I now see, so it doesn't take away your bow attack.


Well, as it's now entangled, it's at -4 dex, meaning -2 to AC. So you might very well HIT IT WITH A ROLL OF FOUR! Geeeez :-) But then again, you just exactly don't hit hard enough to damage... that's cruel, i'll give you that! :-)
This message was last edited by the player at 06:42, Wed 07 Oct 2015.

Rules question: do I understand correctly that even though entangled in the roots, you can make a move of 5 feet? But is that a normal move action or does it take a full-round action (that last as I understand it)?

Ok, so that was a square hit, although about the most pitiful damage I could do with the spell... only 6hp.... still... a hit is a hit. *sigh*

Next round I am wondering whether to jump strait to the priest and start casting cause light wounds or something of the sorts....

By the way DM, you said that saving the channel of the huecuva made me loose 2hp, but you didnt update in your sheet, so I am not sure if it was right and you just forgot to update or what.

Cheers

Opps, I forgot to move him on the GIMP map. Damn. OK, play as per the map.



Yes it does (which translates to -2 AC), as do all the entangled zombies as well.



Actually, the entangled conditions aren't that bad, have a look:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamema...itions#TOC-Entangled

-> Half speed
-> -2 on attack rolls
-> -4 to dex
-> conc check to cast a spell

The killer is that the whole entangled area of effect is also difficult terrain. And zombies are normally slow as well. They normally move 4 squares but when they are entangled and in the spell area they only move 1!

The reason why the huecuva is provoking an AoO is because:



If you want to move out of a threatened square there are only two choices: The 5-foot step (and he can't do that) or the withdraw action.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamema.../combat#TOC-Withdraw

But that is a full round action, and then he wouldn't be allowed to channel energy or do other mischief.

In summary, yes, entangle is a great spell. :D

PS: I have been forgetting the -2 to attack rolls on the entangled zombies when trying to grapple. I'll remember from now on.

Ok, cool, I just wasn't sure if the root (form trees and other plants I guess) would anchor the entangled.


If so, it perhaps counted as 'hampered movement', hence my question.



But i'd forgotten to 'cumulate' the ½ move from entangled and the increased movement cost in difficult terrain!!

Yikes! Logan better not get entangled: -4 dex AND -2 to attack! :-( Hadn't thought of that!
This message was last edited by the player at 08:19, Wed 07 Oct 2015.

Logan's reflex save is so high that he should be ok.

But you've now hit 2 out of 3 attacks, with a total of 15 damage to it. That's pretty good for a caster class, I'd say?

Btw, remember you're at -4 for firing into melee (it's in close with Logan and Alohan), but not in cover (that's another 4 modifier, but to his AC, right?). You hit is still solid i think!

Sure do (go close with CLW), if you want, but please wait until Kassius and perhaps Celene have fired, else it will surely be in cover.

The other -2 hp were healed by Celenes channeling, so Angati is still fresh :-)

In reply to Celene (msg # 154):

In regards to the 4 pts of damage the huecuva did via channeling... yes, those who saved and only took 2 pts were then healed back up by Celene's 2hp channelling heal.

@Celene
Thanks.

I updated to G3.

Ill see what to do then, after everyone does their thing this roudn.

Yes, Angati's hit is good even with the -4 for firing into melee.

Ok? Then you've seemed to miss her damage to the huecuva, no?

Question about Kibeti:
You rolled that he should attack the zombie. Is that just an AoO and I still need to try and handle animal to get him to full attack, or will he now continue to attack that zombie? Also, if he takes out the zombie, will you roll again, or will he continue to attack?

Curse that cowardly blight! So, let's wait to see what two AoOs can do (which were before it healed:-), and of course the missing damage from Angati, before we fire away...

Logan and Alohan, would it be ok if you take ONLY your AoOs first, then let us fire before you melee? Or is that too much metagaming, thinking like that? I'd say it makes sense, as the archers certainly would try and shoot when none of their friends were close by to be hit, right?

EDIT: That's of course IF you melee with it (the huecuva). It's starting to get real crowded in there now... In fact, you may just be lucky and not need to get in there, if you let us try first :-)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:52, Wed 07 Oct 2015.

It seems strange that a deflection bonus to AC doesn't affect CMD, given that it's warding me from an evil creature, but I think that's how the rules actually work.

In reply to Celene (msg # 160):

I think that tactic makes sense.  Because of the way we're doing initiative, Logan can always take the AoO, then delay until after the ranged attackers go, making his attack go toward a zombie instead of the huecava.

I found it:



http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...bat-maneuver-defense

Ah.  Live and learn!  Thanks, Celene.

Alohan, if you move to G6, we'll be in position to flank the zombie if (when?) the huecava goes down.  Logan's doing pitiful damage with just the dagger and no sneak attack.  (I'll be better next level when I can add my dexterity to damage with attacks like that.)

In reply to Logan (msg # 164):

But Alohan, remember to only do the AoO, then the archers can fire first in the new round, and THEN you can move :-)

Ah, I see your move now, Logan. Ok, GM, chekcing with you to be sure: are you okay with that way of writing our way out of delays waiting for posts back and forth before writing our moves?

I.e. Logan writing in his post that he looks up and waits to let us fire, then attacks - just written in one single post? This of course to avoid the huecuva being in melee (-4 to hit) when we shoot?

The same goes for Alohans move.

But Logan, you run the risk of a needless attack and move at the huecuva, if we somehow manages to get it down first... ;-)

Yeah, but that's still a good place to be, if alohan can flank the zombie if Kyd goes down.  as I said, I'm going to be doing pathetic damage with just the dagger.

Even if it's not perfect, if we start taking two rounds of posts for ever round of combat, combat's going to get a lot longer.  I'm willing to trade a little bit of risk for slightly faster combat.

It doesn't actually matter for me; I'm going to have to deal with soft cover from the zombies anyways, and I don't have to worry about the firing into melee penalty thanks to precise shot.

Logan: your AoO should have sneak attack damage, since the heucava provokes for moving out of the threatened space. Also, note that when you move to G8 you're provoking from Zombie 9, since you can't five foot step in difficult terrain (unless you have some way of ignoring difficult terrain?).

Huh.  For some reason, I thought sneak attack only applied once per round.  But that's not actually a rule in PF.  Which makes two-weapon fighting better.  As well as Haste, when our spellcasters get that!  I'll add in the sneak attack damage.

Kasius I am waiting for your move, as I cannot take one step back, and I can't really do much to this zombie unless I use my cure light wounds to hurt him...  Only weapon I hold now is a morninstar and the sling so....

If you step forward, we switch places ?.

Lucky stiff :-)

Oh, to hell with it, I'll fire now too, can't hold the anticipation any more :-)



or unless the zombie can't AoO... I thougt that these guys (except the huecuva) couldn't do AoO??

Right, didn't they act as if they were staggered ? they could either move or attack, and staggered doesn't allow for AoO...  right ?

btw, Angati, I think you can just move through allies if you want to go past us.

But have you decided on a plan? Maybe you could hold the stem of zombies trikling out from the entanglement, before they are scattered all over the room, even though you can't harm them (but you do have oil-fire)? Perhaps aided by a Protection from Evil? Otherwise, Celene will not be able to go back and hit all zombies (e.g. at F4) when/if we manage to get the huecuva Down. She has a range of 6 straight squares or 4 diagonal, so she can just exactly hit all from F4.

In reply to Celene (msg # 173):

You basically asking an old lady oracle to act as a cork ?.... I'll see if I can do that.. .but there are far to many ways around though, and moving forward now will leave this zombie to my side...

I'll cast myself port from evil and move to H4 then. I cannot reach the huecuva now with my spells with the entangle there anyway.

I think you should start with your channels though... hit him too that way....

Yeah, I know :-) But the 'old lady' is far better at close combat than the juicy teenager :-)

I think most of the zombies will stop as soon as a meal gets within their reach :-) (they're hungry after eating old wooden crates for 100 years), despite any ways around, but you never know of course.

It made me think about the channeling. GM, I (johannes) may deduct how many channels the huecuva has (4), but I'd much rather move upon what Celene knows or can deduct. Is that something she can try and estimate, based on the power she feels from the channelings? With a knowledge (religion) skill check as a base?

He will also attack the zombie and keep going until either the zombie is dead, Kibeti drops enough hp that he decides to flee or you call Kibeti away. After the zombie is dead he will go back into 'full defence' mood and stay that way until he gets attacked again. Next time it will be 50/50 if he fights or flee, and the odds will continue to get worse as the unnatural zombies keep bugging him. This stops you parking Kibeti somewhere and just letting the zombie attack him.



Oh, OK. I didn't know that. Point taken.



You are welcome to write that you wait for the missile combat people to fire and THEN go hand to hand after that. I am fine with that as it will keep things moving along quicker.



Nah... that was me screwing up the staggered condition in the last combat. You DO still get AoO when you are staggered, so we are playing it correctly now. Sorry about the confusion.



In the module it states that in addition to feasting on adventuring parties every couple of years, the zombies also eat the monstrous crabs. You know, the ones that Kassius tried to train during the last skills challenge.



Hmm... Yeah, alright. High(ish) DC required though.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 176):

Ok, added skill check in last post

DM... the point Celene made before though, about my second stone not having been listed in the dmg of the huecuva was that fixed ? I haven't really followed whats gone on.

Nope, I totally forgot to fix that. OK, added now.

angati, your CMD also goes up by 2 for prot. from evil

Ron, I need a reflex save versus DC14 for entanglement.

Ha, take that evil cleric of doom.  Now all we have to do is deal with a dozen free-willed zombies.  Yay!

13:38, Today: Alohan Nuari rolled 7 using 1d20+5 ((2)).

Wait... we KOed the Huecuva?????

Not your AoO, it was the first of the furry of blows:

08:48, Today: Alohan Nuari rolled 19,7,10,9 using 1d20+5,1d6+3,1d20+5,1d6+3 ((14,4,5,6)). -Flurry of blows vs Huecuva

You hit with the 19 and did 2 points of damage. Yeah, it was a team effort.

Oh, that 7 was for the entanglement. OK, yeah, you're entangled.

Ugh... 12 zombies to kill... Well, that should keep us busy to Christmas.

At least Alohan's in a good position to let Logan sneak attack #9.

Does Z12 grapple Alohan with a 19? Since he has lost two CMD from the entangled condition? I'll use MF if that is the case.

The zombies have DR 5/slashing, right?  I think Logan's still better of using TWF if he can get the sneak attack, because of the extra chance of a critical and the sneak attack dice.

 All right, all right, gimme a minute here... ;-)

Yeah! Way to go team! All skipped in - except Celene didn't get a hit in :-/

But you helped buff everyone up.  That's a lot of the help a sorcerer/cleric provides!

yah, I think I'll have made up my quota of hp damage in 4-5 rounds from now :-D. I'm going for my "Most damage done in a single combat by a level 2 char"-plaque.

While I remember, I'm off on fall vacation saturday, until friday. I unfortunately doubt I'll have much chance for posting, sorry! But happy we got the baddie down before I left!
This message was last edited by the player at 20:38, Thu 08 Oct 2015.

Alohan's CMD drops to a 17. Entangled creatures take a -4 hit to DEX.

Question for my Danes- Netflix has a Danish show called Rita that I have been watching (& reading). Its got some Danish gale Millie Dinesen(?) starring in it who is quite a beauty. Curious if any of you two had watched/seen it.

EDIT:  I really wanted to post but being grappled vs not being grappled will affect Alohan's actions immensely.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:17, Thu 08 Oct 2015.

Yes, that's Mille Dinesen, she was in 'Nynne' as well which was a movie made into a Danish TV series. I haven't watched the show - I don't really dig super-teacher movies. She epitomizes what a MILF is meant to be in Denmark. <shrug> not really impressed myself.

Rock on Jessica Alba, Morena Baccarin and Rachel McAdams.



He wasn't grappled thanks to Angati.

That reminds me, I am away from today on fall vacation as well, and there will be complete radio silence from me for the next week or so.

Enjoy the break!

You guys enjoy your holidays :)

Well, afraid the time I have to spend in a tv chair is miniscule. When I do get some time at the tv, it's mostly movies, not series (as I can't keep up with them). I've seen some trailers for it, though.

I'm normally pretty lost when it comes to newer actors and acresses - older ones I have some grasp of. Two of the three John threw out above are unknown to me, as is the meaning with them :-)

But I'm surprised there's anyone outside Denmark interested in these shows!

Yeah, schools have a week off during october here in denmark (they celebrate my birthday each year, that's so nice of them:-)). Do you have that abroad too?

So, there's no reason for me to prepare 5 channeling rolls for you, John?

Have a nice week/holiday everyone!

That's 11*6+3= 69 hp damage in one round (at level 2 !). That record is going to last me a while! :-)

Danish shows are lame. They tend towards being gritty and realistic (think the Dogme 95 moement) and therefore not so much fun. Give me the Netflix Daredeveil series over that any time.

Your certificate is in the mail...

Re: Weapon Use

Logan doesn't have a second dagger.  He started with the +1 Rapier and a Shortsword, then he got the one silver dagger.  Plus, Logan really likes his rapier.  It's the single most expensive thing he's ever owned.

Wow, also, zombies have a lot of HP.  We've done 12 damage to #9 and it's still up.  Keep up the good rolls, Celene!

Yeah, in my little calculation earlier, i think i ended up at 16 or 17.

Are you wanting anorher dagger?

In reply to Celene (msg # 205):

Another dagger might be optimal against the zombies but Logan is wanting to get use out of his rapier.  If you have Celene offer, he'd accept after remembering how much the DR sucks.

All by myself. Everyone having a good October?

Sort of, today and tomorrow its hollidays here... hoping to relax a bit, maybe find some time for music, but so far, my kids are being a pest...

Stupid kids.  They should just let their parents relax and enjoy their lives.

Back from our little vacation - we rented a little cabin and it was nice to be away from civilisation for a few days. I hope everyone else also had a nice break.

Can we a talk about oil please? First of all, I want to make a house rule that splash weapons should target squares and not grid intersections since this will make the miss throw weapons so much easier (just roll a d8 and 1 = north, go clockwise).

Also, you have to light it before throwing it, right? Or otherwise it can be poured into a square?

i was throwing it without lighting it hoping that later on, Celene would spark the flame.

Anyway, with regards to AoO, I wont be even rolling... no point, Angati is unarmed this round only had her shield on hand.

I don't have time to process a zombie turn today, so may as well give Johannes the chance to roll another 1d6 :)

Nope! The first Kassius played an alchemist (Magnus), but he was more of a melee alchemist. I don't remember him using any bombs. I played the druid (Aengus) who used a fair amount of area of effect spells (and would have steadily used more as he got to higher levels).

This will probably come up next round, and I want to make sure I have everything right because I've never actually played a rogue before and used acrobatics.

So, avoiding AoO is acrobatics.  Easy enough.  You can also move through an enemy's space, at DC 5+CMD.  The average zombie has a CMD of 14, so it'd be DC19 to move from Logan's current position to I8, flanking Z6 with Alohan.  If Logan gets a 19, he can do that with no AoO from 3, but 1 and 6 still get AoO.  For every two points he beats that by, it's one less AoO.  So a 21 means one AoO, and a 23 (rolling a 14 or better) means no AoO.  (And less than 19 means he loses his move and provokes 3 AoOs!)

Is that accurate?

From my understanding of the rules, it is :)

Look's right to me as well, with one further addendum. Because of the entangle spell, the whole area is difficult terrain, which requires 10 ft of movement to move every 5 ft square. When using acrobatics, you also move at half speed. So effectively, you go at 1/4 speed. So you can't go 10 ft unless you have 40 ft of base movement.

Yeah, I only want to move two squares anyway, so that's no big deal.  Just enough to flank Z6 with Alohan at the other side of Z3.

Wait for me! Johannes and I both have yet to play! Typing up something now.

Oops, didn't realize that you were also missing from this round. Anyway, your timing is good. I'll roll for Johannes tonight if necessary.

Can I use misfortune? Re roll that?

Now back from vacation! I'll post this evening at the latest...

In reply to Alohan Nuari (msg # 220):

Sure, it's up to you when you use your daily MF.

Welcome back Johannes.

In reply to Alohan Nuari (msg # 220):

On second thoughts just take it next round because I am processing a zombie turn now.

Oh dear, a very tough round for the party.

And I cant use the MF.

@DM:

 I see you hitting me, when no hitting should happen, unless I am mistaken.

My current AC is 23, and they are hitting me on an 18.

Maybe I got something wrong ?.

Well I guess that acrobatics didn't matter this round!

In reply to Angati (msg # 226):

It's a grapple attack against your CMD which is 14, correct?

In reply to Angati (msg # 226):

Oh, and because they are 'ravenous', if they are successful in a grapple they automatically inflict bite damage, it is a special ability they have.

Johannes, what dark forces have you sold your soul to in order to roll THREE sixes in a roll for channelling?!

Cthulhu - figured we needed it,so... :-/

No, only utter devotion in our holy Witch Goddess will save us. Half an hour before i roll, i light up incense and sprinkle holy water around the pc, then sit in silent contemplation will my necklace of prayer beads, until it is time to roll...


unfortunately, I fear it's not enough, even though i gave it all i could! :-( Things look grim for Logan and Angati!!!

Awesome rolling Kassius :)

Man, that sucks. One second Logan is discussing aerobatic manoeuvres, then the next second Z3 is wearing his lower intestine as a party hat. :(

Please look over the numbers closely and tell me I have made a mistake.

Well shit.. Logan. :'(

Oh no! Sorry Logan, I could either save you or Angati, but not both!

Poor Logan!  Interesting to note that this is the first time I've had a character actually die on RPoL.

Who killed my son?  I'll gut them for sure!

Great.. more old bitches.

I somehow feel a little responsible for all this.

If he'd just made his save and stabilised he would have been at -9.

Responsible? Responsible for what? I cant speak for Logan's player but I am having a blast! You are doing a fantastic job. The only thing you should feel responsible for is my continual enjoyment -and that isn't a bad thing.

Besides.. a PC death is great for RP. I know Alohan will take this very poorly. He was becoming fast friends with Logan and now he is 'alone' in the group.

If there's no risk of failure, it limits the fun anyway. Actually failing might not be fun, but I'm glad you're not pulling punches. I've been having a lot of fun so far!

Here is a thought. I know Logan is dead, but maybe he can be healed back up but a massive disadvantage. Maybe He is gimped in some way? Forever flawed. I dont know. something to think of.

Agreed!

In reply to Alohan Nuari (msg # 240):

Heh. I should have included a :P at the end of my comment as it was meant to be a smart ass quip. I've course I am responsible, I am the DM, and killing characters is part of my job! :D

Now, there is an option for getting Logan back. You'll need to get his entire corpse out and to a high level cleric within a few days. Then the group will need to pay 5,450 gp for the spell and the materials cost. He will come back with -2 cons since he is only 2nd level. Then at some point he can get the cons restored at the cost of 1,280 gp each with a restoration spell.

If the party wants to do this, just be aware that it is a big gimp on all of you as you will be using funds that should've been spent on weapons and equipment on raising. Also, Logan will have to use further funds to restore himself.

The positive side is that I do have an interesting afterlife session planned for Logan if John is up for this route.

Or he can just roll up a new second level character and everyone is richer...

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 244):

Well Logan, I'd say its up to you... whatever you want to do.

I hate buying equipment myself, so having less money is not a problem for me.

Yes, it's very dependant on what you (john) think of logan. After all, the character was thrown at you without much choice for you. A new char may be what you want. But on the other hand, logan may have 'grown' on you?

But another thing: how do we raise that amount of money??? (If needed)

In reply to Celene (msg # 246):

Yes, you'll need to raise the money yourselves as Lavinia doesn't have cash on hand (I'll provide an in game explanation for that later) and no-one is going to lend it to you.

So, you will have to find the funds somewhere in this dungeon...

6K gold from the party's funds? Whelp, good luck in the afterlife Logan...

Lol

Brutal, but fair!

I'd be up for anything.  I like Logan as a character, and would like to continue playing him, but if there's no reasonable way to bring him back without terribly destroying the future of the party, I'm perfectly willing to roll up a new second-level character and find a way for that character to join the group as well.

OK, DM's decision then, and I want to do what is easiest (and most interesting) for me. Bag up all the bits of Logan, get him to the surface somehow and we'll get him raised.

Yeah, that's the afterlife for you there, Logan!! :-) I'd stay there if it were me :-D

Any descision in this for the party caller? West is what I hear from the GM? Unless there's a chance to investigate that shallow water more for interesting stuff? But from what you write, it's a dead end...

Does any of this water look deep enough to swim in? Possibly down? The way im reading it it sounds like it is all mostly knee deep but the map looks like it might be deeper.

Then I didn't do a good job of explaining it! There is a ledge around the eastern, southern and western sides which is knee deep. The middle of the room and the northern side is considerably deeper and you can't see the bottom since the water is murky.

Just for future reference, that's the wrong bonus for me (I have +8, or +10 for detecting hidden objects, determine if food is spoiled, or identifying potions).
Celene found the door anyways though.

Logan speaks from beyond the grave: "Check my body for thieve's tools..."

Though you can't use disable device untrained, so it might not help.

Yeah, I considered that. With Kassius' dex, he'd actually have a chance; but he can't even attempt the skill since it's trained only.

Yep, no untrained checks allowed on this one - unlike knowledge.
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Can we even tell that there's a combat going on? Do we need a perception check to hear sounds of combat, silt being stirred up, etc. or is it automatic?

Let's say that you can tell by all the stirred up stilt and the occasional clear glimpse that Alohan is in combat with something. That way you get to participate if you want to.

Alright so my goal is to take a Withdraw action. Doing this, I make a move away from the creature. So, Swim DC10 to move at half speed (20ft) and then a Acrobatics DC10 to avoid the urchins. Is this correct?

I would love to stay under water and pummel the creature but I feel like him grabbing me = me drowning.

Yes, correct.

I want to see a dolphin!

I do too. I do. But I am severely handicapped and dont want to drown.

Keep in mind that you are at -10' altitude, so it will take you some movement just to surface.

In regards to drowning, you can hold your breath two times your constitution.

Sorry, been too busy, but will make a proper post tonight. I look away for a minute and you get yourselves into a mess again. Tsk tak... :-)

Is it too late to suggest Kassius to divulge his knowledge on nature - i.e. How to fight this thing best, (in)vulnerabilties, etc... (After a knowledge nature roll)?

That would have been an excellent idea had I thought of it! Can I edit my post to include a knowledge roll?

Sure!

On the plus side, she must be looking pretty hot, all wet and all that...

.... Oh damn... lets just hope Alohan does not notice ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:57, Wed 28 Oct 2015.

Alohan take maybe one free step in diagonal backwards so that we can all flank it..... dolphin included....

The description of papa crab reminded me of old lectures. Specifically on this one. The closest we get for real. Fantastic creatures!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_crab

Um, except that Angati has an apparent age in her 70's. Ahhhhhh! She'll just scare him if he looks.

That is an amazing animal.

Huh? Was that it? I mean, was that around 15 hp damage? Gee, I thought we had a tough one here :-) Granted, underwater and alone, Alohan may have been in trouble ;-)

Good thing I didn't get to fire off my 75 gp scroll!!
This message was last edited by the player at 16:31, Thu 29 Oct 2015.

Not every combat can be epic!

Party caller, are you saying that the group is going to check out the secret door next?

That's what the lady said!

...and inside the chests is just enough gold to pay for a raise dead.

Big round of applause for Gimp and our GM with his toy :)

I just shudder at going with whatever is in those chest and through an underwater drainage.... thats bound to be fun.... for the DM mostly I mean.

not to spoil his fun, but it should not need to be more than one of us going through there. He (yes, HE) then just needs to go back to the top of the entrance and remove the stones and lid, then we can hoist the money (AND LOGANS BODY) up through there...

In reply to Celene (msg # 281):

Dang. You figured it out already!

Fun-spoiler, yeah. But I guess she IS the clever one in the party - with a smashing Intelligence of 12. :-) Or...? No wizards around here, is there?

Are we going to play it out?

In reply to Celene (msg # 284):

Huh? What do you mean? It still all needs to be done properly....

Sure, just checking :-)

Everybody just assumes that Alohan is fine with swimming through a submerged pipe of unknown length. What do you say big guy?

...or buy a shit load of new equipment...

So, Ron, have you defined the pearl islands to be a stereotypical (western) culture with set male/female roles, such as men grieving inwardly, expressing it in 'working it out' instead of e.g. talking it out? It's how I read your post about the grieving, anyway. I'd more envisioned the island as a more open society with few set norms about how males and females should behave e.g. to grief. But that's just my own, grossly prejudiced, view of the pacific islands that I liken them to.

Well, honestly, I dont know how pacific islanders handle their grief. I could use Natives as an example -since I like to think I know a little bit more about it- but then again, why dont I stick with what I know?  Dont let this spoiled prince define how you know the Pearl Islands. They may very well hold their hearts on their sleeves. Alohan will not.

So Alohan has about 15% less chance of advancing, while he has about 10% more chance of avoiding trouble, and 10% more chance of overcoming it if he does get into it.

I'd say Alohan is the better choice...  40ft speed also makes for 20ft advancement each time he passes it. So less rolls to make it to the end, which tempers a bit his 15% disadvantage.

In reply to Angati (msg # 291):

I'm inclined to agree. Alternatively, we could both go. It doubles the chance of something going wrong, but also means if one gets into trouble, the other has at least a chance of pulling them out...

Ok, so if it's an arcane scroll, Alohan's probably consistently better than Kassius at swimming, with Kassius' slight bonus when using his ability more than outweighed by Alohan's superior speed, acrobatics, and underwater combat ability.

Taking this out of the IC to confirm some rules. Scrolls are either Arcane or Divine, as determined by the creator. So if a wizard or bard creates a scroll, it's an arcane scroll, but if a cleric (or hunter), create a scroll it's divine. To use a scroll (without use magic device), you need to have the spell on your list AND it needs to be the same type. So it depends on if Celene got an arcane or a divine scroll. As a dual-class, she can use either, but Kassius can only use a divine scroll of Monkey-Fish, but not an arcane scroll of the same spell!

Wow. Just when I think I have a rule figured out there is always a bit more to think about. OK, I am ruling that it is a arcane scroll since that is what Celene purchased the first time (back when she was only a sorceress). That means that Kassius CAN'T use it.

He still has frog animal focus for 10 rounds. Do you still want to swim the tunnel? And if you are both going, who is going first?

I will make a separate thread for the swimming since those who remain (Angati, Celene and Kibeti) will not be aware of your progress.

I will process the swim tonight, but would prefer if you guys made the rolls yourself, at least out to 50'.

Sorry if I was unclear. There's no specific rule for diving into water. I just figured I could make a basic jump check, and thus skip some of the swimming bit. Since I go at half speed while swimming, and full speed while jumping, the idea was cover as much distance as I can in the air instead of underwater, saving me some time holding my breath/avoiding sea urchins. And being cinematic and shit. ;-)

Sorry, sorry, another busy couple of days. Give me a few to catch up. I am apparently about to swim.. The pipe I guess? Alright, lets see how much trouble I am in.

Well damn, looks like I knocked that swimming out the park!

In reply to Alohan Nuari (msg # 298):

Alohan really is a child of the islands.

In reply to Kassius (msg # 296):

Oh! Cool!

Congrats on your swim.

I thought it was going to be tougher for them, but they both have decent swim modifiers and good constitution scores. I have read that other parties have struggled to get out of the dungeon via this route and had characters drown in the pipe. Not good!

See? The dice roller likes me when the GM is rolling for me.

Wether we are going to be rezzing Logan or buying equipment... risking breaking whatever is inside seems like a bad approach... also, as the chests can be more easily transported later on I think.

Angati can have his sister work out someone of her trust to help us open this... or we can surely work out someone to do it. At the very worse, we could even buy some "open" scrolls and work with that.

As for razzing, as I said, I think it really just depends on Logan, and he said he'd be interested... so, if it is within our possibilities, I really do not mind.

In reply to Angati (msg # 304):

Please, Sirs?  A few thousand gold to raise a poor rogue from the dead?  It's all a simple Shadowshore boy could want!

Angati is still unknown to all players as the sister... she is for all an aunt or whatever... at some point we will come to that IC I guess but for the moment, I don't think anyone knows...

just to clarify.