...but he will not be a great strategist I promise.

My morningstar is BP does that work on the zombies at least ?.

Also, my strongest thing that might be ill omen on the guy is a bit of bummer because they are undead and resist enchantment, and thats about my only attacking spell... unless I use up the healings on the huecuva...

Just don't use those channelings... keep them in reserve, they'll be better used when we all start getting hurt... that way they serve double purpose.... how many do you get ?.

I could just.. abuse the GM's ruling about AoO, run through the zombie horde, grapple then subsequently pin the cleric. I doubt his CMD is something I couldnt handle.

And still not enough to deal with another dreadful roll. Sigh. Sorry guys, I've added two zombies all by myself with terrible rolls.

Alohan, your suggestion might work! I'm not too sharp on the rules: won't you automatically be hit by his touch attack if grappling him?

Can he perhaps still channel even if he is pinned?

You still can't hurt him, right? Being in melee+cover, he's harder to hit for the rest of us.

On the plus side is you can flank him with Logan, who can then sneak attack him. On the Down side, the rest of us need a shield against the zombies. I don't know, what do you all think?

Kassius, what happens if Kibeti won't follow your command to attack, but is attacked itself by the zombies?

Huh? The huecuva doesn't have a touch attack, so that is N/A.

As Kassius said, he now has 7 silver arrows and can potentially do a lot of damage. Yeah, the BBEG might be hard to hit if he is in melee and behind zombies, but once he is grappled or pinned that gets easier. Kassius would need to keep away from the zombie buddies to do that though.

Yes, except Kassius can't hurt the huecuva with his scimitar thanks to the DR10/silver.

I want to see the enemies arrangement before we get to talking strategies. But the DM rules are correct -I think Grappling and Pinning is a safe way to go. Alohan would probably be in a very difficult situation but holding the huecuva down, potentially even getting him tied up!... It would give you guys time to clear through the zombies, take him out the game. I dunno. I am nervous.

I am nervous.

yes, you're right, we have to be able to improvise as needed. But I'm mostly afraid of the fragile/vulnerable bombers (Kassius, Angati) and buff/bombers (Celene) loosing their shield (i.e. if Alohan chooses to go for grappling the BBEG) - that takes them away from damaging the huecuva. And they can't take down the zombies fast enough - they'll swarm you, and logan, and us. We need that bottleneck with you as the cork.

In order for Kassius to maneuver Kibeti into a position where he is likely to be attacked by a zombie I would require a handle animal check. If he was attacked I would make some sort of roll to see if he would stay and fight or try and run away. He isn't some sort of super cat - at least not yet.

I am not suggesting we start with the grapple. Maybe when the herd thins.

I mean, are you telling me out of 12 zombies you guys wont be able to handle a few by yourselves? Alohan doesnt have that much AC or HP. To rely on me being a 'cork' means we will go down fast.

Lets just get started and see what we do.

Earlier you mentioned something about the huecuva draining our strength. I was referring to that, but that may not be a touch attack then. Haven't checked.

Its fingernails are so long and sharp that they are effectively claws. Its fingernails are also very dirty, and filled with all the grime from this dungeon so they carry 'filth fever' which sucks away your strength if you fail the save.

My point would be that the huecuva should be down before the herd starts thinning.

Alohan has the very best HP, and let's see what we can do about the AC. I think we have other tricks up the sleeves :-)

I my own mind, if we instead are to lure them out, our top most priority would be to get the zombies separated from the cleric. If they stay together, and we can't get to him, I fear we're finished. What do you guy think of this?


Main idea: lure all the zombie out, let two hidden attackers (Logan and Alohan) deal with the cleric lagging behind. This idea comes from how he stayed back during the first battle, letting the zombies go close with us, but staying behind himself to be safe and heal the zombies. He'll do that again, I bet.

So, e.g. Kassius barge in the undead-room, and fire at the cleric if possible, to get him riled up. Perhaps Celene uses a channeling to hurt them too, just for good measure. The main group then retreats quickly, but slow enough to let the zombies follow to the large central room. I am sure the zombies will go for us, as soon as they see juicy meat. But we need them to get really far from the cleric. That is Alohans job. He stays in cover behind some crates or stuff in the corner of the North west room (square B4) - I don't fancy the zombies have some 'detect life' ability, right? Logan has Hide from undead cast on him, making him invisible from the zombies for sure. He stays behind the column (D3), seeing when the last zombie comes through. Once it's past the door (D2/E2), he calls out to Alohan to come forth, and he gently shuts the door behind the zombies (so they won't hear Alohan and can't get back anyway). We can't be sure the cleric sees logan or not, but a shut door followed by Alohans commanding voice should stop him. Alohan tackles him, while Logan secures the door with stuff we have piled behind the pillar.

The rest of the group goes behind the double doors (M6/N6), far enough from the evil cleric. We bottle up the zombies in the south east corner of the central room, which we've prepared for them. That would allow Celene to use channeling most efficiently.

As with all the other plans, lots of things can go wrong...And dangerous splitting us up. And we don't know all the cleric has in store for us.

I would rig this room up (B1-D4) with oil, as well as the corridor to H3, which I think might be best point to hold them as Kassius suggested profiting the slippery surface and the slope, we can pour more oil getting them all soaked...

I'd start by this without trying to split up to get the cleric first... see how many we can bring down... once fire is out we charge down... the huecuva either goes next to the zombies to heal in which case he stays burning, or he doesnt in which case they die.

I really don't think we can plan much more than this. We don't know for sure if there is another corridor or connection that might allow them to go round on us.

So... I'd rig this room and corridor... lure them to us, and then when they all come, and we are sure they are in both rooms.. we put it all to fire. Holding them at H3.  It might be good if we could block the door at A2 once they have passed through but I think that might be difficult to manage.

Anyway, I'd keep the invisibility for after the fire has been over, and the number of zombies has go down, so that logan can sneak to the guy and go at him.

I know it leaves him the option to heal the zombies, but I think less things can go wrong with this, than if logan starts from the begining trying to get at the cleric...

Anyway, just my take on this :)