Oh, you are suggesting the southern entrance then? I and angati thought you meant the northern corridor, that has a sharp corner limiting visibility.

I agree on the ranges.

While you were busy galvanizing your arrows, we found 15 vials of oil. That's a start i think. But they only burn for two rounds and does 1d3 damage, so effect wise their use is limited...:-/ but cool idea!

Yeah, that had been my original thought. I hadn't even noticed the door at A2. I figured the long corridor would be a nice kill zone, while preventing the zombies from spreading out and overwhelming us. We'd shoot at them as they amble down the hall (possibly through entangle and oil flask traps). Then our melee would be right in the room at H6 to gank them as they come through.

That talk of damage from oil made me think.

I don't like to bring too much math into the game, but there is one thing that bothers me. I'll keep it short.

12 zombies at 16-17 hp (from what I gather from our first fight) is minimum 192 hp

We have 17 flasks of oil, for an average of 3,5 hp damage, total damage 60 hp
(ASSUMING we hit with all of them, which is far from reality). Standard ranged attacks from Kassius and Angati won't hurt them.
That leaves about 132 hp damage that Alohan and Logan needs to do. I don't know their average damage, but if we assume an average of damage 6, that's about 22 SUCCESFUL hits. Celene can aid somewhat with the channeling, but only a few in the front if we have them in a long corridor. And that's not counting the cleric healing his zombies... He can simply "cancel" her channeling.

Instead, if Celene is placed behind a door or other cover, within 30 feet of all 12 zombies, she can channel 7 times, and do an average of 3,5 damage per round to each. That's 294 hp damage.

There is no miss chance, but of course only half damage if them make all their saves, but I'm guessing they save less than 50 % of the time. Even if they save ALL rolls, it's still 147 damage, 3/4 of the way to get them down.

But of course, that output requires two things at least:
- that she can get within 30 feet of all zombies at once
- that the evil cleric can't get to heal them - which would make her channeling useless!
EDIT: we don't neccesarily have to get him down to fulfill that requirement - we could also just get him to use his channeling elsewhere. IDEAS WELCOME! E.g. an invisible logan with his Cure Moderat wounds potion and Saving throw bonuses, running around goading him to channel-harm him a couple of times? Risky.... :-)

Can you melee guys make 22 succesful hits without being hit and going down yourself? I don't have enough experience with battles in pathfinder yet, to know for sure if that's likely. What do you say?
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It's a good point. Having Kibeti be willing to attack would definitely help. Kassius can draw his scimitar and start cutting down some zombies as well, once the cleric is down, although he won't do much with it (just 1d6).

On completely unrelated news, I just passed my Phd dissertation defense. So that's Dr. Kassius now!

Congrats Dr Kassius! and it coincides with NASA's recent Mars announcement!

I am not really big on numbers, averages, and... hell, strategy. I am more of the wait and see type. One thing is for certain. If I am going to be up front, Alohan is going to grease himself up.

Sorry I have been distant this weekend. Try and get back on track soon.

Wow, congratulations doctor!! Do you have a carreer at NASA ahead of you now?

Yes, exciting confirmations about Mars indeed!

Yes, but we'd want him throwing oil i think, to hit with at least some of it. Celene sucks at ranged attack into melee/cover, i don't know about angati.

No worries! But we'd like your and logans input to which overall plan we use, before we go ahead. It's a major turning point.

Regarding numbers i was just trying to say that if we choose to stay together and bottleneck them in a corridor, you and logan need to hit A LOT. (And the ranged attackers as well). And it will take a lot of rounds.

EDIT: we'd want alohan greased anyway:-D
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Big Congrats Dr Kassius :-)

Maybe? I'm interested in getting a job in the academe, but NASA would be good as well. I'm applying to various postdocs now, including some at NASA, as well as various universities. And yes, Mars is exciting. We're learning some really weird things about Pluto as well...

...

Yeah, Kassius can throw oil/holy water. He has point blank shot and precise shot, so he hits more often and does slightly more damage.

I think we should leave the Doctor, The thief, and the well oiled man handle this combat while the girls watch from behind.

So, if you see the point about the wasted channeling damage, do you have a suggestion how to get a proper use of it? Kassius, Angati...?

Really my math was pretty much the same as yours, we either hit as many as possible with things like fire and your channel or we are pretty much done.

But I think we should start with the fire... just because while it is controlled and set before the fight its so much easier... and I think we can hit them all by soaking up the room beforehand, and by using the slope in the corridor to continue feeding the fire... after all, it doesnt matter where we hit as long as the oil flows down through the corridor and into the room.

I would hold back on channeling until after the heucava goes down. Channeling is great for doing mass damage, but as you said, it can just channel to heal and cancel that damage. But once it goes down, mass target damage (oil, channeling, etc) becomes much more cost effective than single-target damage.

Congrats Dr Kassius!

Some good ideas coming through. Things I never thought about.

Exactly. Yeah, I think we're all agreeing on most points.

But I'm still calling out for ideas to get the huecuva down or unable to heal his zombies - so we don't waste precious area damage to his area healing.

Besides the two ideas I've pitched you, which you guys don't like, we don't have a plan for him... :-/

If we don't have a plan for him, we'll end up in the grinder with too many zombies who'll wear us down.

It's a fair point. I think I've been hoping Kassius' arrows (with maybe a few flasks or flame lances and/or channels) could take the heucava down, but it might by better to try and split up the zombies. Both ways have risks I guess!

Congratulations, Kassius!

Sorry I've been so absent the past few day.  I'm on an anniversary trip with my wife (got my mother to watch all the kids for a week) and I'm enjoying the outdoor activities a lot, which doesn't leave a lot of time for posting on RPoL.  I'll be back to normal next week, and I'm still checking in, just not posting  lot.

Various questions for the GM:
- Can all doors except the double doors H6-7 be closed? And can we use the crates and stuff to bar doors?
- What direction does the corridor E2-G3 slope?
- With the saw we found, how long would it take to saw either the bar across the inside of the door, or the hinges (as suggested under the description of a saw in the rules)?
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Yeah, ranged alone won't take him down, i am afraid. We need one or two to tackle him.

What do you mean by splitting up the zombies?

Yes and Yes



Southwards, so not very useful. And it is a gentle slope, oil isn't going to move much on it.



1 minute (10 rounds) with a DC10 disable device check to halve this time. This can be sawing the bar or removing the hinges as you want.

Celene, I think its time to make a call on what to do :) things are stretching too much and I do not think anyone will hold you responsible for anything.

Just take a dive :)

I am saying in a kind way, I just feel its time to move on, even if its a bad move it will be better than holding any longer...

Yeah, I was thinking that too, but I wouldn't want to push anyone, since we have so many different oppinions, and it's pretty dangerous to some.

Ok, once this is over (and if we survive), I am relinquishing the party-caller role for someone else - I am much too talkative for it!

Anyways, the plan will then go back to the original, attacking them in their own room, since we need to get to the cleric, but still don't want to split us up (too much).

I'll try and post it later today, I'm busy for now.

GM, how long does it take to run from the barred double doors (A6) around to the door to the huecuva room (B2)?

it is 17 squares of which 4 are difficult terrain (in the slippery corridor). Assuming that you put some boards over the difficult terrain to make it normally passable you're looking at 85 ft. Alohan has a base move of 40', the rest of you are on 30'. All of you can run (x4) because you're not wearing heavy armour. Alohan can move up to 160ft in a round and the rest 120ft.

So... one round. And you can even move a little bit further if the door was already open.