So Beni, is that a yes or no for a reroll on his iniaitive?

Yes

Reroll init agnate wouldn't risk lavinias life
This message was last edited by the player at 10:25, Sat 24 Sept 2016.

There's something I need to sort out before I process this turn.

Ron, Alohan can only reach Bua Gorg if he uses a charge. A charge allows Alohan to make an melee attack at the end of the charge, but initiating the grapple is a standard action. So he can't charge and grapple, but you may use the attack roll for a melee attack instead if you like.

If Alohan goes after Drez then he can reach him with a standard move action and then initiate a grapple with his standard action.

Which one is he doing?

This is the exact reason why I dont like pathfinder. As far as I know, the 'attack action' could've been substituted for any combat maneuvers- grapples, trips, disarms, bullrushes, etc. But guess what? Pathfinder Player Companion: Melee Tactics Toolbox now designates a grapple as a standard action which was apparently published last year in April. This particular game, and Alohan, is OLDER than that publication so now with these new rules, Alohan is a bit 'nerfed.' I can no longer do things like this due to errata that has a publication date younger my character.

But I mean, my whole concept is based around grapples. I even have the feat and associate rage power. Is it that unforeseeable that Alohan wouldn't be able to charge into a grapple?

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense that he can't charge across the room and launch a flying tackle at his opponent which results in a grapple. OK, house rule: you can initiate a grapple at the end of a charge - but just be ready for the bad guys to do that as well!

I did some more digging to see if I can pin down where the mix-up began. My Core Rulebook has the same verbage as you pointed out but it seems for the better part of a long time it was known that any CMB may be exchanged instead of your standard, run-of-the-mill attack. I googled it and couldn't find anyone that says you couldn't so this must still be a change not many people are aware of. Under how I have known the rules for several years now, you could charge into a disarm, a trip, a grapple, a bullrush.. any of those CMBs since they replace the attack action. A Combat maneuver could substitute a single 'melee attack or ranged attack.' That was relatively simple. Whenever the words assumed the person was 'attacking' it was known you could just assume a disarm or something.

I dont have the PCC:MTT book but apparently within this book, they separate the distinction 'Standard Attack' & 'Melee Attack' effectively defining what you can and cannot do. A 'cleave' for example, is a standard action -not a melee attack- thus you cannot charge into a cleave. Grapple is a standard attack action -not a melee attack- this you cannot charge into a grapple. Deadly stroke is now a standard attack action -not a melee attack- thus you cannot charge into a deadly stroke. But trips, sunders, disarms, and guess what -stunning fist- are all melee attacks.

So why the change? At what point did they have to publish a book to make these distinctions? Did people abuse the charge-grapple and charge-cleave so much they had to change the rules (make the distinction)? If I have a fighter with a big sword and all I do is charge and cleave.. why can I no longer do this? If I am grappling type and I want to charge and grapple someone, why am I no longer allowed? You have rangers with boon companions that get like 6 attacks per turn but I now have to wait two turns to hang on to someone?

Here is my theory- there are some obscure accidental rules that carried over from 3.5 (partially due to their laziness) like if you act before the enemy in the initiative, they are technically flat-footed. Maybe people abused things like that so much they had to make a distinction. Oh Paizo..

Long winded post aside, I am cool with however you rule it. I dont plan to charge into grapples often but in this.. mexican standoff type of scenario, I find it would be the smartest thing Alohan would do. If you want, substitute my stunning fist as that still is a 'melee attack action' and thus still capable of doing at the end of a charge ;)

If he was attacked from a square I don't think he needs to guess which square only the miss chance. Usually miss chance is rolled with percentiles, two d10's, bit other wise it looked good.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamema...nditions#TOC-Blinded

Celene: Thanks, I was wondering about that. I will get it right next turn.

Ron: Sometimes it feels like we are playing with 'living rules', especially when we start including stuff from the splat-books as well. Anyway, I am very cool with the logic of letting him grapple at the end of a charge. Just keep in mind that since this is a universe where the bad guys know that this can happen, they may take precautions against it.

My main problem is with keeping the combats interesting or at least making them distinguishable from each other. Especially when we just keep fighting bullywugs over and over again. This module isn't called 'The Bullywug Gambit' for nothing it appears.

didn't monks get something that allows for substituting attacks by manœuvres or is it just using flurry or blows.

In reply to Angati (msg # 192):

? - can you remember where you read that Beni?

Here: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk
A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows.

It is the same for the brawler.

Anyway, as a monk, if its grappling that you like, Tetori is great as it gets GRAB !! http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...er-rules#TOC-Grab-Ex-

which would really solve all the problems that you are feeling now, I think.

A roll of 2. Unbelievable. When will the curse end. Why have you forsaken me.

In reply to Alohan Nuari (msg # 195):

Sorry Alohan, I think I still all of your luck.

Hey I did a stunning pin on my previous turn and also gave Boa the prone condition. I know Boa isnt escaping any time soon but it's a DC 13 or be stunned. He gets added debuffs that would apply to my current action (continue to pin and deal damage) and the prone is important for Angati to smack him around.

Oops, with the reposting required to reflect Angati's action making your action a success I forgot it was a stunning Lin and not just a normal pin. I will update that on his status.

But yeah, he's not going anywhere.

I had forgotten about that too... I'd have run towards the bulk of Bullywugs if I had noticed... but the way things are, I don't want to change the action now... other actions have gone through.

Copenhagen must be so nice. Enjoy your rents !

If things get out of hand again I'll cast another glitterdust. I just don't want a second charge of arson. Besides the wand is automatic damage. :)

Whoopie-do, a whole 1d4+1 points of damage. Don't kid yourself bro, using the WoMM is effectively putting your hand up and saying 'I pass'.

:P

Yeah, it's not too bad.

There is of course a standing invitation to all players to crash at my house if they are ever in the city...

I guess I could try for 1d8-1 with no chance of hitting. A ranged attack with a crossbow with no chance of hitting. A spell that will effect my allies currently. Or something that on a miss would set the house of fire.

Give us some extra cash I'll buy a wand of scorching ray instead. :P

What's up lads? When you're sure you're gunna win no-one wants to post? :D The battle isn't over yet.

Sorry traveling for work brought me to spain, and I haven't had time to breathe....

today its my bday so I am taking this 5 minutes off to try to make a short post in games... which goes to show my social life & priorities :P

Happy Birthday Beni! My birthday was Saturday(1st) so you can imagine the bender I just went on as I hurtle towards death. Actually no.. just went to DC to visit some friends.

Posting soon and more regularly
This message was last edited by the player at 00:01, Wed 05 Oct 2016.

Happy Birthday Beni! And also for Ron, although a bit late on that one.

Beni, it must be nice to be sent home for work. I wish I would get sent home to NZ for a training course or a business meeting.