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Celene
player, 445 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 19:20
  • msg #862

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

uh, Logan and Kassius, you scared me for a moment there with your poster signatures (left column in threads), Logan at 6/9 and Kassius at 9/9 hp... We're not that sucked, are we?
Alohan Nuari
player, 189 posts
1 Savage Barbarian
1 Unchnd Martial Artist
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 19:25
  • msg #863

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Are we at the top of a round(3)?
Celene
player, 446 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 19:28
  • msg #864

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

No, we're still at beginning (players turn) of round 2. I think.
Celene
player, 447 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 19:33
  • msg #865

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Well, actually we're all done this round, so it must be monsters turn. John's probably cooking something nasty right now.

I'm just sitting here waiting a chance for my third round before bed :-)
Celene
player, 448 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 19:43
  • msg #866

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

quote:
OOC: Super good question Johannes, and frankly one I expected to hear earlier from you. Are you mellowing in your old age, Mr Paranoid?

But teasing aside, no, you don't hear anything and we can say the Kibeti it keeping an eye on it since the cat has nothing else to do.


I know, I'm slacking. But my paranoia just gets even worse with age :-)

But just to advice the silent vampire and ghost beyond the doors, her channeling has a range of 30 feet ;-)
Dungeon Master
GM, 840 posts
All Powerfull
DM
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 19:47
  • msg #867

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Zombie turn round two. I'll do it tomorrow at some point.
Celene
player, 449 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 19:52
  • msg #868

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Achh, so I'll have to endure this suspense another day :-)

That at least gives me an opportunity to nag Logan. Say, Logan, did you really throw away 5 (five, I checked) perfectly good, valuable (albeit gotten for free), and useful vials of holy water? Given as A PRESENT! Tsk tsk tsk....;-)
Logan
player, 314 posts
Rogue 1 HP: 6/9
AC 17/ F0 R6 W2
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 20:55
  • msg #869

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

In reply to Celene (msg # 868):

Well, I forgot to put them on my character sheet, so I guess so!
Celene
player, 451 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 12:25
  • msg #870

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Logan needs to do his AoO (in the zomie turn) before we know his grappled status, right? I'll just wait around for that, to decide how to help best. If nothing  else, another channeling.

But can he possibly get out of there, stuck between friend and foe somehow?

Moving back will give the zombie AoO, right??
Alohan Nuari
player, 190 posts
1 Savage Barbarian
1 Unchnd Martial Artist
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 12:53
  • msg #871

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

If he wasnt grappled we could swap places. Now that he is latched on, I think Alohan would be best trying to cut Logan free. I am kicking myself for not moving into the spot with my 5ft back on my previous turn.
Dungeon Master
GM, 844 posts
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DM
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 12:55
  • msg #872

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

No, the zombie rolled so well that he overcomes Logan's CMD unless Logan does 9+ points of damage and he can't do that with a scimitar.

The zombies have the 'staggered' condition and amounst other things may not take AoO's. The character sense this from the lumbering way the creatures move so Logan is actually free to just run to the back of the party... if he get's free.
Celene
player, 453 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 13:02
  • msg #873

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Oh f..., I just wrote up an entire post (good one I think), posted it, and realized I either changed my mind on what scrolls to buy, or fumbled writing the spells down. Sigh.

Now deleted.
Celene
player, 456 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 17:09
  • msg #874

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Hey Beni, welcome back! How are you and the new girl doing?
Celene
player, 457 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 17:37
  • msg #875

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Dungeon Master:
Angati lobs the flask of holy water at the zombie holding and biting Logan. She hits and the zombie fizzes like it is being burnt by acid. With a foran the creature falls to the floor and Logan is released.

19:05, Today: Dungeon Master rolled 17 using 1d20+2.  Angati throws holy water at Z2.
19:06, Today: Dungeon Master rolled 5 using 2d4.  Damage vs Z2.


OOC: Heh heh. Hi Beni!


Oh man, that's just plain cruel...
This message was lightly edited by the player at 17:38, Fri 04 Sept 2015.
Dungeon Master
GM, 850 posts
All Powerfull
DM
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 18:00
  • msg #876

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Yeah, that was brutal!

Bummer that you didn't buy that scroll of free movement after al.
Celene
player, 458 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 21:24
  • msg #877

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

heh, don't know if 'free movement exists, but it sound close to what i was thinking. Liberating command. I'll have it next time. :-)

While we wait for Logans climatic post, that reminds me to ask a question of you other guys (players primarily). I've been trying to figure out how to build Celene - and what to aim for, meaning what role should she fill in the party. Contribute with so to speak (combat wise mainly, but i see some of you focusing outside of combat). I am thinking that would benefit from me understanding where all you guys are wanting to go with your characters - which i have a hard time getting. Would any of you want to skip in on comment to what you're 'putting' your charcters up to?

To givesome examples, i've considered Celene's future as 1) a ray blaster using range touch attack damaging spells, 2) direct blaster using direct damage spells ( e.g. magic missile, fireball etc.), 3) a focused summoner, 4) a battle field controller (buff/debuff/b.f.control) and 5) combinations of these. I am leaning towards the last, but with elements of the others, mostly summoner.

So, I am thinking that i should try avoiding roles that are already stuffed full of team mates - such as other damage dealers, buffers etc.

All thoughts or comments welcome.
Alohan Nuari
player, 192 posts
1 Savage Barbarian
1 Unchnd Martial Artist
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 21:31
  • msg #878

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Alohan will float between Savage Barbarian and Martial Artist Monk. There is not much complexity in this decisions but this does make him a bit... one dimensional -combat. If Something needs punching, that is what Alohan will be good at.

As for my suggestion for Celene -since you are multi-classing, I would suggest focusing on spells that buff us, the party. Go for battlefield controller. If you attempt to hit enemies, you'll see your DC is easily beaten so stick with spells that will help your allies. But alas, Kassius is strong with the PF rules so I would get his opinion more. I am a more thematic GM/player -dont really care about power, just theme.

With that said, I am excited for Celene. I want to see the Mystic Theurge in action!
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classe...ebook/mystic-theurge
Celene
player, 459 posts
Sorcerer 1/Cleric 1
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 22:05
  • msg #879

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Alohan Nuari:
Alohan will float between Savage Barbarian and Martial Artist Monk. There is not much complexity in this decisions but this does make him a bit... one dimensional -combat. If Something needs punching, that is what Alohan will be good at.

As for my suggestion for Celene -since you are multi-classing, I would suggest focusing on spells that buff us, the party. Go for battlefield controller. If you attempt to hit enemies, you'll see your DC is easily beaten so stick with spells that will help your allies. But alas, Kassius is strong with the PF rules so I would get his opinion more. I am a more thematic GM/player -dont really care about power, just theme.

With that said, I am excited for Celene. I want to see the Mystic Theurge in action!
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classe...ebook/mystic-theurge


Ah, thanks for a quick reply. Just to clear up a few things, I'm not going multiclass, it's just a 'dip into cleric' (as I've now read 'they' call it) for flavour or theme. It was what she was meant to be, somehow. But she needn't move further in the religious order nor develop divine magic further, this is just fine. So, afraid to dissappoint you, but you (likely) won't be seeing the Mystic Theurge here (considered it for long though!). Well, maybe I should give it another thought :-).

Her DC on her spells should keep rising i think (if she doesn't multiclass), but still I like your pointer towards controller. Not just buffing - first level sorcerer was more debuffing (charm and sleep), but the cleric level is more buffing-minded (i think, we'll see).

I feel that you (all, not just Alohan) want to establish character [EDIT:rolls should be:] roles, not just combat [EDIT:rolls should be:] roles, which I find great, and I really like it too, but being what this is (a combat oriented rpg), I feel I need to understand the other side to. Hence I'm reading up.

Saying Alohan is geared for combat and punching still leaves me wondering exactly what that means. Is he going for dealing massive damage in melee, or lasting long in melee without dealing that much damage? Thinking that you meant the last?

And yes, any other's comments are encouraged!
This message was last edited by the player at 09:19, Fri 11 Sept 2015.
Alohan Nuari
player, 193 posts
1 Savage Barbarian
1 Unchnd Martial Artist
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 22:35
  • msg #880

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

I have improved grapple. I have flurry of blows. I also have rage. All of these compliment eachother nicely but I am stuck in not really excelling in either (like Celene). I dont think ill be the massive damage dealer (that is kassius) but I will have a crap ton of HPs to stick through the tough times. Besides.. I think I might try and make a Prestige class that ties the savage barbarian, the martial artist monk together. Something to do with Maori warriors and their concept of 'mana.'

With that in mind, that is where these Celene buff spells come into place. Give me some additional strength? Maybe some haste? maybe magical fists?!

Celene fascinates me. I hardly ever see anyone 'dip' into a class just for thematics! What an anomaly you are Johannes! Still, my vote is for Mystic Theurge. If you feel weak, you can always talk to the DM about 'fixing' the class to be more to your liking.
Kassius
player, 151 posts
HP 9/9 | AC 18/15/13
Fort+3 | Refl+7 | Will+3
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 22:43
  • msg #881

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Kassius fills a few rolls. Between himself and Kibeti he can do a fair bit of damage dealing, both melee and ranged. He has a fair bit of magic, but it will be primarily for self-buffing and out of combat utility. He also can help Logan with scouting and sneaking, particularly in wilderness settings, whereas I assume Logan will be better in urban areas.

In terms of the party roles you discussed, there's basically two aspects to consider, spell selection and feats. If you're going the Ray/ranged touch, Point Blank shot and Precise shot are fairly important, although you can survive without them. Summoner is significantly boosted by Augment Summoning, which requires Spell Focus (conjuration). Going pure blasting usually requires significant optimization to be competitive, I recommend against it, although picking up fireball or something like it for dealing with the occasional crowd of mooks is definitely useful.

If it were me, I'd probably taking the Augment summoning line of feats to have a bit of a focus, but generally pick spells in both the buff, blast, and debuff lines, to maximize my options. The strength of spellcasters they can have so many pretty good options something is bound to be useful. Magic resistant foes: buff or summon. Lots of mooks: blast. Single tough enemy with good saves: debuffs with no save spells.

If you're looking for suggestions, on the pathfinder forums, there are various guides. The guide to wizards here: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras.../treatmonks-lab/test
is quite good, and the spell list section will be mostly equally applicable to you, although it hasn't been updated in several years, so it doesn't have the spells from newer books. Might be worth a read-through though if you're interested.
Kassius
player, 152 posts
HP 9/9 | AC 18/15/13
Fort+3 | Refl+7 | Will+3
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 22:46
  • msg #882

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Alohan Nuari:
I dont think ill be the massive damage dealer (that is kassius) but I will have a crap ton of HPs to stick through the tough times.


Yeah, I'm actually a bit worried that may be true. Archery is really powerful in pathfinder, and the big cat animal companion is one of the more powerful choices. I usually solve my tendency to over optimize by trying to choose a sub-par concept, and then optimizing it until it's decent (like Ron's old game, being a druid-blaster). In this game, I inherited a character with pretty good choices power-wise. I suspect in a few levels I may be borderline overpowered. We'll see.
Alohan Nuari
player, 194 posts
1 Savage Barbarian
1 Unchnd Martial Artist
Sat 5 Sep 2015
at 00:13
  • msg #883

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

I actually loved your blaster druid. Your newly acquired rime spell and everything your domain gave you was great stuff.  I had so much shit planned for him during later levels. Sadly, I think it has fallen to the wayside. I am almost too nervous to see who is still available. BUT. I will revitalize that game, that I promise.

Anyway, Kassius will be the biggest damage dealer by far. I played enough PF to know how wicked good big cats are as companions, even ones as moody as Kibeti.
Angati
PC, 236 posts
Sat 5 Sep 2015
at 10:54
  • msg #884

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Celene:
Dungeon Master:
Angati lobs the flask of holy water at the zombie holding and biting Logan. She hits and the zombie fizzes like it is being burnt by acid. With a foran the creature falls to the floor and Logan is released.

19:05, Today: Dungeon Master rolled 17 using 1d20+2.  Angati throws holy water at Z2.
19:06, Today: Dungeon Master rolled 5 using 2d4.  Damage vs Z2.


OOC: Heh heh. Hi Beni!


Oh man, that's just plain cruel...


Yeah, that was mean.... :) but I rolled a 1... I come back just to roll a natural 1... well, Alohan has probably shifted his die roller towards me while I was away.

The girl is doing nicely although she is slow to gain weight which keeps feeding being a time consuming chore... but otherwise she is fine.

Live continues to be hectic though... anyway, as they say, life moves on, and there is no waiting or wishing for... just getting the most of the current moment.

So... in that spirit, I hope that our dearest DM chokes in the dice rolling this round, just a little bit :)
Dungeon Master
GM, 851 posts
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DM
Sun 6 Sep 2015
at 13:29
  • msg #885

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

Kassius:
Alohan Nuari:
I dont think ill be the massive damage dealer (that is kassius) but I will have a crap ton of HPs to stick through the tough times.


Yeah, I'm actually a bit worried that may be true. Archery is really powerful in pathfinder, and the big cat animal companion is one of the more powerful choices. I usually solve my tendency to over optimize by trying to choose a sub-par concept, and then optimizing it until it's decent (like Ron's old game, being a druid-blaster). In this game, I inherited a character with pretty good choices power-wise. I suspect in a few levels I may be borderline overpowered. We'll see.

Hmm... And if we make it to module 7/12 then Kassius will end up with the only McGuffan in the AP, and will be lobbing the equivalent of thermo-nuclear weapons at his enemies...

BTW, I don't count the damage that Kibeti does as adding to Kassius over-powered status - the cat is effectively the sixth member of the party and his own person.
Dungeon Master
GM, 853 posts
All Powerfull
DM
Sun 6 Sep 2015
at 14:46
  • msg #886

Re: Roleplaying in Pathfinder

A few more comments:

Ron, I love the idea of a Maori themed prestige class!

Johannes, yeah we can work something out in regards to the multi classing but it won't fix the fundamental problem which is the Celene will fall behind in terms of maximum spell level available compared to what the module assumes the party will have available. Maybe scrolls are a work around? I have to admit though, that the one level of cleric is turning out to be very useful at the moment!

Kassius, yes your character was carefully crafted to be maxed/min-ed and a damage dealing machine! We'll just have to learn to embrace it :D
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