Cool back story!

So, do we just pick it up now, or do you have more to get us going?

I'm taking the silence as meaning we're up now.

Else you just but right back in and stop me :-)
This message was last edited by the player at 20:14, Thu 10 Sept 2015.

Yes, and all from the module, I just added the idea that he originated in the Pearl Islands.


I'm gunna take a break for a few days now. Have a good weekend!

Ah, ok, plenty of time for talking then :-)

Seriously guys, didn't you bring anything along? Except your loin cloths? Men, hrmf... I'm starting to get a feel for Celenes character - she's going to be a real annoying nagging woman!! :-) Albeit a gorgeous one, so you guys don't dare complain :-D

Ok, then there's time to pick up on a comment I left way back: party combat roler (looking back, I corrected a rather stupid spelling error in #879)

Yes, I'm leaning hard towards buff/debuff/battlefield controller for Celene, and leave the damage dealing to you guys (although I'm quite happy about the damage she managed for this combat! :-D). What about Logan and Angati, I haven't heard what you (Beni and John) want to do with them?

BFC would, in my oppinion, very much suit a Mystic Theurge, which I also am very intrigued by, like you Ron.

Actually i am not concerned primarily with the lowered max spell level when going for the mystic theurge, as i find many low level spells giving so many options (for a BFC) in any situation. Raw spell power matters less here, I think, but am I wrong?

But what i really do not like is that her sorcerer bloodline won't develop any more! I am looking forward to her (and me) discovering more of her background and reason for her sorcerer manifestations. I am playing it 'blind' as i don't know what bloodline she has, or why, the GM will let it reveal itself gradually. Quitting that would be such a waste! But maybe the GM can come up with some solution in between, that's still balanced...? :-)

I don't think I'm going to be doing anything particularly exotic with Logan.  I've never played a Rogue in Pathfinder, so I'm still learning the ropes for the class.  I really just want the chance for Logan to be able to flank someone and start laying down his sneak attack damage.  That would actually work against undead in Pathfinder (unlike 3.5) but with these narrow confines, it's hard to get into flanking position.

I've actually wanted to try out an Arcane Trickster, but I think I want to play an actual Rogue first.  (And Logan wouldn't be particularly good at being any sort of arcane caster, having a 9 charisma and a 13 intelligence.)

Ok, sounds like a plan! Not knowing anything about the flanking/sneak attack rules, what does it take to get you into the position you want to be? Not detected by the enemy? Is flanking the same as an attack from behind?

And how can we help to get you there?

Flanking's pretty easy. You need to have one ally that threatens (i.e. has a melee weapon drawn) on the opposite side of the enemy. So all we need is space for Logan to maneuver around the foe (i.e. not fighting in a cramped tunnel), and someone else in melee.

And that's all Logan needs for doing his 'stuff'?

What are the obstacles to moving around? Attacks of opportunity when he moves? Or needs to do skill check to move around?
This message was last edited by the player at 14:01, Fri 11 Sept 2015.

I am actually designed for moving around the enemies. I would prefer Logan stay put while I get behind to provide him the flank.

Explaining Attacks of Opportunity for Celene- You threaten all squares around you. You can five-foot step through these squares but taking a move action to move at a greater speed will provoke an attack. Normally, you'd get into combat, then take your 5ft free action to maneuver around your enemy. If you need to leave, you can do a Withdraw action, which is essentially you fleeing and not provoking an AoO.

Now, some alternatives are using the Acrobatics skill to negate this AoO. The check is vs the opponents CMD. If you succeed this check, you can move half your speed. You can even move THROUGH the enemy for a +5 to his CMD!
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/acrobatics

So why Alohan? My acrobatics is high. Also, Alohan has a feat that gives him a +4 to his AC when he fails. If these AoO are taken against him, he takes a +4 to his AC. So think of this
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/...ility-combat---final

-I get an Acrobatics check vs CMD. If I fail, my AC is boosted despite this. My speed is high enough to where I can maneuver around to a flanking position in one action. Long story short. I'am the Native for the job.

Ok, got it! Sounds good. Then both of you would get the flanking bonus of +2, no matter who the enemy is facing/attacking?

And that is enough to get you sneak attack, Logan? You don't also need the enemy to be denied his dex bonus, right? (started reading it a bit now :-)

But if we for some reason can't get you into flanking (Alohan down, not enough room,etc.), denying the enemy their dex bonus would do it. In what ways can we do that?

Oh, nevermind, i looked it up :-) and found a list.

So, there are other options to keep our eyes open for I see. Logan, do you care to tell what rogue talent you took? Or rather not? (just ignore this then).
This message was last edited by the player at 17:34, Fri 11 Sept 2015.

Logan, should we suit you up with a 'Hide from Undead'?

Yeah, Hide from Undead would be good versus the hecueva.  Logan has an ability that lets him become invisible for a few rounds once a day - I used it when we boarded the Vanderboren ship.  That could also let me use my sneak attack, but only against mortal creatures.  And if I act on the first round of combat, they'd be denied their dex bonus to AC.  But flanking is the big one.  Logan's actually got a +9 to acrobatics, but not the feats that let him be better at avoiding AoO.  But mostly, it's the tight corridors that really work against us.

By the way, I keep meaning to and forgot to post; I'll be away from my computer from tonight until Tuesday night. Feel free to NPC me.

By default, channeling has two modes: healing or harming. Postive energy either heals living creatures or harms undead. Negative energy either heals undead or harms living. You can't do both at the same time however you can mix and match as much as you want. Some archetypes/abilities may change that though. Channeling to heal was specifically added in Pathfinder to allow clerics to devote most of their spells to non-healing purposes, since they can heal up the party with channels. The only problem is you don't want to channel in combat with non-undead, since it heals every living creature, friend or foe alike.

By default, channeling has two modes: healing or harming. Postive energy either heals living creatures or harms undead. Negative energy either heals undead or harms living. You can't do both at the same time however you can mix and match as much as you want. Some archetypes/abilities may change that though. Channeling to heal was specifically added in Pathfinder to allow clerics to devote most of their spells to non-healing purposes, since they can heal up the party with channels. The only problem is you don't want to channel in combat with non-undead, since it heals every living creature, friend or foe alike.

Huh. I didn't know that. Very cool.

And, the variant channeling options, that I've talked to you about (and hoping you're still considering) only affects the healing version (for positive channelers like Celene. In general, it halves the amount healed, but then adds another effect. Chosen from the domains fitting the deity.

As a DM the thing to keep in mind with channeling, is mostly when enemies are not undead... healing, heals ALL in the range, except with specific Feat.

More than once, we thought combat finished, just to have an eager cleric channel all enemies to life again :P

my vote is east. We chase this sucker down and let Alohan finish him off.

Marked down the healing potion from Celene on my character sheet.

I'm trying to think if there's anything that could be useful for Logan.  Against more normal zombies, he might be better off with two daggers so he could do two-weapon fighting, but against the heceuva, focusing on the one attack to get through its DR would probably be best.  So, maybe finding oil to help with lighting fire to undead would work best?

Logan could find 10 flasks of lamp oil if he wishes.

Hmm... that stuff is pretty cheap.

Heh. How to slow the game down - give people the opportunity to find anything they want!

Indeed :)

I was doubting between oil, or a cask of holy wine (just to go in line with the god that they betrayed) or something of the sorts...

Another option is a compass... but thats kind of lame...