Character Creation.   Posted by James.Group: 0
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 7 posts
 Nosferatu
Tue 13 Jan 2015
at 22:06
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 8):

Fair enough - just thought I'd ask - do the four starting points in disciplines need to be in clan disciplines, then?
James
 GM, 7 posts
 Storyteller
Tue 13 Jan 2015
at 22:11
Re: Character Creation
Hugh of Lewes:
In reply to James (msg # 6):

Cool - so, how about Enemy (2pt), Lame (3pt) and Vengeance (2pt) for a total of 7 points?


Sounds good to me.
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 8 posts
 Nosferatu
Tue 13 Jan 2015
at 22:11
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 9):

Recent wife sounds good - who knows, could have been a child born while I wasn't there...I was thinking 20 or 30 years too - say 25? That would make my peer group around 50. Parents probably dead. I have an older brother who took on the family holding. Younger sister married off to a local merchant. Definitely friends from the crusades - probably 2 or 3 of a similar age and 'type'. If all survived the wars is another matter. At least one probably went back to England.

How about: Geoffrey of Chichester, Richard of Hastings and William of Canterbury (the Kentishman)

This message was last edited by the player at 22:16, Tue 13 Jan 2015.

James
 GM, 8 posts
 Storyteller
Tue 13 Jan 2015
at 22:12
Re: Character Creation
Hugh of Lewes:
In reply to James (msg # 7):

Shall we just stick with these 3 then for 5 points of merits?


Also sounds good to me :)
James
 GM, 9 posts
 Storyteller
Tue 13 Jan 2015
at 22:16
Re: Character Creation
Hugh of Lewes:
In reply to James (msg # 8):

Fair enough - just thought I'd ask - do the four starting points in disciplines need to be in clan disciplines, then?


Always worth asking :)

Yes, the initial 4 points is for clan disciplines.
James
 GM, 10 posts
 Storyteller
Tue 13 Jan 2015
at 22:18
Re: Character Creation
Hugh of Lewes:
In reply to James (msg # 9):

Recent wife sounds good - who knows, could have been a child born while I wasn't there...I was thinking 20 or 30 years too - say 25? That would make my peer group around 50. Parents probably dead. I have an older brother who took on the family holding. Younger sister married off to a local merchant. Definitely friends from the crusades - probably 2 or 3 of a similar age and 'type'. If all survived the wars is another matter. At least one probably went back to England.

How about: Geoffrey of Chichester, Richard of Hastings and William of Canterbury (the Kentishman)


Great!
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 9 posts
 Nosferatu
Sat 17 Jan 2015
at 19:51
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 15):

Sorry - been a bit busy and boy's been a little difficult the last few days (teething still). Just been reading the rule book. I'm on page 34 (36/290 of the PDF itself). Am I essentially caitiff? What does this mean for character creation? Or am I something else?
James
 GM, 11 posts
 Storyteller
Sat 17 Jan 2015
at 20:23
Re: Character Creation
In reply to Hugh of Lewes (msg # 18):

No worries - been busy myself.

As far as generation is concerened, you will be 12th gen. For rules purposes, you are Nosferatu.

However, your sire abandoned you. Other Kindered will know you are Nosferatu - it's pretty obvious. The question is, have you encountered other Kindered in the last 20 years who may have tried to bring you into the fold of the clan? If not, you are Caitiff in the Dark Ages sense of being clanless.

If you have rejoined the clan, what do they think of your sire?
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 10 posts
 Nosferatu
Sat 17 Jan 2015
at 22:12
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 19):

Being caitiff nosferatu might be a little difficult? As in, your the lowest of the low. Still, depends on any plans you might gave for gameplay. I would have thought I would have encountered some vampires in my time - mos likely low clans, esp. Nosferatu and gangrel. Not sure I would have accepted the clan at least to begin with, but may have tempered this opinion over time once I realized how alone I would be. Again, I can see game hooks in many directions. Might be interesting if my sire is quite well thought of by nosferatu (less so by most other clans with a few exceptions?). This would make any play for revenge on my behalf more difficult/male interaction more 'fraught'. Could then tie in with the enemy sires theme?

This message was last edited by the player at 22:14, Sat 17 Jan 2015.

Hugh of Lewes
 player, 11 posts
 Nosferatu
Sat 17 Jan 2015
at 23:05
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 19):

So, how about I wandered the wilds for 5 years or so before contact with other nosferatu. Being one of their own, they wanted to bring me back int the fold. I resisted, thoughts of vengeance still clear. After time though, my position has changed and I'm slowly becoming closer to the clan, tho still with reservations. The clan possibly (what do you think?) feel that my sire didn't do wrong as it was in the name of shaming a potential clan enemy - maybe it was even calculated to a certain extent. I find this difficult to handle but accept it for now. So, contact but with caveats. Sire well-thought of within the clan, but not amongst (some) other clans. I doubt Brujah think well of him!

I was also wondering if I would have had much contact with other clans while in the wilds. This could have been positive or negative contact..?

This message was last edited by the player at 11:11, Sun 18 Jan 2015.

James
 GM, 12 posts
 Storyteller
Sun 18 Jan 2015
at 21:06
Re: Character Creation
I like the idea that your character is forced to accept wat your sire did to rejoin the clan. His influence isn't enough though - he broke quite a major taboo (two in fact).

What if your sire is a major stake holder in nosferatu plans somewhere in Europe? The secret of your existance getting out, right now, would be bad for the clan. Your adoptive sire neither approves, not will she forget. However, the needs of the clan out weigh your need for revenge. Besides, you are his dark secret, waiting to get out. And vampires are very patient creatures when it comes to secrets that can hurt others...

Perhaps you are being encouraged to chase the Brujah, since that takes you away from Europe anyway?
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 12 posts
 Nosferatu
Sun 18 Jan 2015
at 21:55
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 22):

Sounds good - couldn't really chase both at the same time anyway...
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 13 posts
 Nosferatu
Mon 19 Jan 2015
at 08:18
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 22):

You also said I'm 12th generation? If my sire was a bit more of a major player in something, would he be higher than 11th? Not that I particularly want/need to be higher than 12th (what with all those assamites running round...), just wondering if my sire 'should' be higher than 11th? I certainly wouldn't want to be higher than 10th myself though...
James
 GM, 13 posts
 Storyteller
Mon 19 Jan 2015
at 22:09
Re: Character Creation
In reply to Hugh of Lewes (msg # 24):

I meant 12th gen by default. If you want to be lower gen, not a problem - just take the generation background.

Generation is not necessarily connected to age in dark ages like it is in masquerade (technically not then either, but in V:TM, it always seemed more likely that an elder would be lower gen).

There is a character in Jerusalem, who has been Kindred for no more than 50 years, yet is 6th gen - her 5th gen sire just happens to be still up and walking about as is her grand sire. I've seen many other older vampires that are 9th and 10th gen.

Thing is, while it is a tradition to get permission to embrace, the traditions are very hard to enforce and you get some lines that just ran rampant. Even if your sire is 10th or 11th gen, it doesn't mean he's not old and good at politics.

That said, I'm inclined to agree that he's likely to be lower gen. For backgrounds, I'd suggest Generation and Mentor, but its your call.
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 14 posts
 Nosferatu
Tue 20 Jan 2015
at 09:45
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 25):

Those were pretty much the background I was thinking of too - I was wondering if you'd already decided the Gen of my sire or not, basically. And how 'strong' my mentor is. Not sure how many points I have available yet - probably going to sit down over the next few days or the weekend and actually put all the points in boxes (well, circles...).

This message was last edited by the player at 08:15, Wed 21 Jan 2015.

Hugh of Lewes
 player, 15 posts
 Nosferatu
Thu 22 Jan 2015
at 13:40
Re: Character Creation
Okay - almost there. Just spending the freebie points. 7 left and trying to decide between a new discipline (fortitude or protean) or an extra point on an attribute and an extra point in a virtue (with the accompanying gain in road). Veering toward the latter as getting a new discipline offers story possibilities for the future - could say my character has an 'interest' in developing those disciplines?).
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 16 posts
 Nosferatu
Fri 23 Jan 2015
at 20:36
Re: Character Creation
In reply to Hugh of Lewes (msg # 27):

Out of interest - what's your view on learning new disciplines? E.g. How easy/difficult is it?
James
 GM, 14 posts
 Storyteller
Mon 26 Jan 2015
at 22:51
Re: Character Creation
Hugh of Lewes:
In reply to Hugh of Lewes (msg # 27):

Out of interest - what's your view on learning new disciplines? E.g. How easy/difficult is it?


Beyond the character point cost? Kind of depends. Blood sorcery of any kind (such as Thaumaturgy) always requires a teacher or access to suitable learning materials - probably not on the radar for a Nosferatu anyway.

Clan and physical disciplines, such as Potence and Fortitude can be developed instinctively - they are really just extensions of what you can do anyway.

For other disciplines, it would depend on your character. As you are a bestial looking and on the path of the beast, I'd say Protean is a discipline that you could learn instinctively. However, something like Auspex would probably need a teacher.

How does that fit in with how you see learning new disciplines? Open to suggestions.

By the way, got a few story ideas, just trying yo get a better idea of who the movers and shakers are in Jerusalem and it's layout. Should be ready to start something in a week or so.
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 17 posts
 Nosferatu
Wed 28 Jan 2015
at 08:53
Re: Character Creation
In reply to James (msg # 29):

No, that's pretty much in line with what I think. Still trying to weigh up how to use these 7 freebie points. 7 seems a lot for one dot in a new discipline, so probably go with the extra attribute and 2 point something (probably virtue, or willpower to 10? Seems high...)

Looking forward to the game beginning!
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 18 posts
 Nosferatu
Tue 3 Feb 2015
at 11:27
Re: Character Creation
In reply to Hugh of Lewes (msg # 30):

Hey James! Sorry it's been a while. I was back in the UK over the weekend to attend a funeral and couldn't get onto rpol last night for some reason. I've got stats for the character done - will post them up later. Also working on a character description for a bit of flavour. I was wondering what year we're in? Just do I can get my brain round his history - it'd be good to try and piece together a general timeline of where I was and what I was doing too.
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 19 posts
 Nosferatu
Tue 3 Feb 2015
at 22:16
Re: Character Creation
In reply to Hugh of Lewes (msg # 31):

Okay - from the top of the character sheet:

Nature:survivor
Demeanor: Irascible
Gen: 10th
Concept: Fallen Crusader

STR 4, DEX 3, STA 5
CHA 3, MAN 2, APP 0
PER 2, INT 2, WIT 4

Talents: Alert 2, Athletics 2, Brawl 3, Dodge 3, Intimidate 1, Lead 1, Subter 1
Skills: Animal K 1, Etiquette 1, Melee 3, Ride 1, Stealth 2, Survival 1
Knowledge: Academics 1, Law 1, Linguistics 2, Medicine 1

Disciplines:
Obfuscate 2
Potence 1
Animalism 1

Backgrounds:
Gen 2
Mentor 3

Virtues:
Conviction 4
Instinct 3
Courage 5

Road: 7
Willpower: 8
Blood Pool: 12
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 20 posts
 Nosferatu
 Fallen Crusader
Tue 17 Feb 2015
at 11:00
Re: Character Creation
In reply to Hugh of Lewes (msg # 32):

Hugh of Lewes – Timeline

1149-1168 – I was born on the 1st of January in the year that the 2nd Crusade finally ended in abject failure. Youngest child of 3 to my father, Richard, a petty lord in the county of Sussex. My elder brother, Richard was destined to take over the family holding and title and would marry very much in his station. My sister, Anne, would be destined to marry for the money she could bring into the family – the son of a wealthy merchant, as it was to turn out. This left me as the ‘spare’ child, and I spent much of my time practising weaponcraft and melee, the better to make my way in this world.

1169 – I was married to Mary Bancroft, a distant 2nd cousin to the powerful local lord Baron de Pierpoint. This was considered a very good marriage for one of my station. it was only later that it was learnt that the Baron had promised the church that he would send members of his family to fight in the Holy Land in return for indulgences. Rather than send any close to him, he sent distant relatives or those married to distant relatives in their stead.

1170 – I sailed for the Holy Land. Despite being newly-wed, I was full of excitement at the prospect of defending the Holy land and securing its holy places for all. With me were sent 2 other knights of Sussex and one of Kent (all distant relatives of Baron de Pierpoint). Although there was no longer an actual ‘crusade’ on, we were allotted the same indulgences as those who had come to fight here on previous occasions. And there was still much fighting, despite the supposed ‘peace’. I excelled in battle, both with sword and command, yet couldn’t help but notice the atrocities committed by both sides. Thus began my dissatisfaction both with the Church and its mission in the Holy Land.

1172 – I first met Guy le Tallec, a curse upon his name, and he lulled me with sweet words and false promises over the course of 2 years to yearn for life everlasting in which to fulfil my mission to help those more greatly in need than myself. I believed him to have the same ideals, but I realise now how false of him my impression had been.

1174 – The fateful assault on a keep on the borderlands – I know not why Guy le Tallec commanded it taken or even who the defenders were, yet the attack ended in failure I the ruination of my legs and spirit. le Tallec left me there, pinned beneath the rock of the keep walls, to die – a further curse be upon his very soul. Instead, the creature Lebeau slunk from his hiding place and turned me into what I am today then left me to fend for myself. I can only assume he believed that if I was strong enough to survive the wilds and the pain of embrace, I might be strong enough to have my revenge on le Tallec himself. How I hate him, though, for his deceit.

1174-1181 – I wandered the wilds by myself and at times became little more than a beast, although I tried to keep some vestige of myself at all times, despite the eternal hunger. In times of more lucidity, I ventured closer to civilisation – groups of traders, isolated villages, once even a group of monks on pilgrimage. Mainly I stole those things I deemed necessary, and if necessary fed upon their blood.  I even encountered others of my kind – those who live in the wilds and can appear more like animals than humanoid. In general I kept a wide berth, although there was grudging conversation at times.

1182 – I first encountered Razak, one of my own clan, who reported to his sire, Delilah, a powerful elder in the vicinity of Antioch. They must have taken pity on my plight for they spent much effort on assisting me and bringing me back to civilisation, such as it is.

1182-1186 – Delilah took a very slow approach to gaining my trust, teaching me the ways of the clan and the road upon which she walked. How to accept the beast within and channel it to one’s greater benefit and greater salvation; she was not averse to seeing the role of the beast within the community though, the hunter in the silent street. Maybe it was because of her wisdom, her care, or the very fact she was a woman – the first female kindred I had met – but she convinced me to lay aside my anger at Lebeau and join the clan proper. His treatment would not be forgotten though. Not by Delilah, and not by myself.

1187-1197 – The last ten years I have spent in Antioch and surrounds, though the city is in much political strife, in both worlds. The current Prince of the city works against Delilah, envious of her knowledge and power, and is hoping she could be compelled into a move to the recently retaken city of Acre. Along with myself, there is Razak (of Muslim descent) and Friedrich (of German ancestry) – her so-called Arm, Eye and Mouth.

This message was last edited by the player at 09:18, Sat 21 Feb 2015.

Hugh of Lewes
 player, 21 posts
 Nosferatu
 Fallen Crusader
Wed 18 Feb 2015
at 10:03
Re: Character Creation
Hugh of Lewes – Character description

My dearest Brother Jerome,

Forgive my writing after so long, and God forgive the content within. I write, safe in the knowledge that by the time this reaches you, I will be safe in the bosom of our Lord. I have spoken nothing of this until now, not certain that it was not a figment of a maladjusted mind, or the Devil’s caprices. I also afeared to speak of it in case those here thought I was touched by evil or refuse me the last rites. Yet I cannot, in all clear conscience, not mention it before I meet my doom. This is to be my last confession and you are to be my confessor, as I know that you are more than interested in such things and are not to meet my tale with utter scepticism or mockery. Therefore, I commend my tale to you and finally relieve myself of the memory.

It was while I was on my pilgrimage in the Holy Land. Jerusalem had fallen to the infidel, yet they allowed our presence at the Hoy sites. All was not safe in the countryside, however, and it was best to travel in company. I did so, with a company of other Benedictines, travelling on our return to the city of Antioch – a perilous journey then, at is it now.

The night was silent, but the moon was full, as I lay on my mat thinking of the awe and wonder of the sites where our Lord, Jesus Christ, had lived and died. I could not slumber and thought of the pool we had stopped near. I admit, my vanity proved the better of me, and I wanted to feel fresh and look clean for our onward journey. So, I went to the pool and stripped off my habit and stepped in to the cold water. Would that I had stayed by the firelight.

As I sat in the water, I saw it, a shadow at first which coalesced into a figure shambling towards where I bathed. There was something at the same time humanoid and bestial about the figure and I was in dread of what this creature might be, and what it might do if it sensed my presence.  It seemed to sniff the air, rags trailing from its curious figure.

As it looked up, the moon’s rays caught its visage; I admit, I almost screamed it so unmanned me. Thanks be to God that I did not. It had a bestial head with long wicked teeth jutting from its lower jaw – like a boar if you will. The skin was dark, but not like that of the African, more it looked burnt. Like leather which has seen too much heat and buckled and blistered, the rough joins protruding like ugly scars.

I looked on in horror as the beast, I swear, began to undress. The rough skin covered its entire body, as if the very fires of hell had consumed it, yet had let it survive the ordeal. Yet more was to follow. The body looked beaten, as if by many men, or as if at a stoning, if you have ever seen such a thing. The legs, which I had assumed were withered or had some other effect of the cripple, were a living travesty. What accounted for its awkward, shambling gait was no mere crippling, but a complete anathema to the senses – the legs looked as if they actually bent backwards at the knees, like some birds or woodland Satyrs.

The whole effect was of some mangled piece of leather and I admit I was sore terrified by the monster. I could not avert my eyes, however, as it picked up my habit and placed it over its own monstrous head. I believe I must have let out some form of whimper at this point because the creature looked straight at me. I do not know what it was thinking, but there was a moment of hunger there before it gave a sort of sickening smile and loped off into the darkness, leaving me unmanned and naked in a moonlit pool.

I had to steal another habit from the spare pack; a theft that was blamed on thieves and which I also must confess now, as I had not the heart before.

So, my dear brother, I swear what I have written is true, although whether it is the result of a diseased mind, I know not. I can only commend it into your hands and hope that you give me forgiveness and say a prayer for my soul, wherever it now is.

Your brother in Christ,

Donatus
Storyteller
 GM, 16 posts
 Storyteller
Sun 22 Feb 2015
at 12:23
Re: Character Creation
Both bit of character background are excellent. Can't wait to see where we go with this...
Hugh of Lewes
 player, 22 posts
 Nosferatu
 Fallen Crusader
Sun 22 Feb 2015
at 14:49
Re: Character Creation
In reply to Storyteller (msg # 35):

Me too! I hope to get my post for Hinnom un tonight. Known what I'll write for the last 5 days, just haven't had time to sit down and type it!