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Exploring in an Iiken...

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Fate
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Thu 17 Jun 2021
at 07:02
  • msg #959

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 958):

Happy to double the size of the hospital for $50 mil, which would increase the bed size to 100 and add a trio of ambulances. Sounds like the local one in Benson, with 22 beds, is comparable to the $25 mill one you have now. Probably similar price too, at a guess.

Quick figure for the accommodation and other auxiliary industries, such as furnace?

Leut Garner suggests $150 million, which will buy a small town of 500 houses, an electronic furnace and metalworks facility capable of manufacturing 10t of metal product per day and a series of large warehouses, all house in a walled complex and setting up your own construction and maintenance company that will quarry the local sandstone for the buildings. This will also include two Hero powerplants, either of which could run the entire complex, as well as six light Beam turrets protecting the perimeter. The wall would extend around the spaceport, making this also secure. This number will enable TSA agents to be included very easily, with little visibility.

Of course, you would require a security force of about 20, and justify up to 50 persons for this...

Bjorn is tied to his work, though his parents are open to the move. Houses are in demand locally though, due to many wanting out of the capital.

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $718,003,300
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:43, Thu 17 June 2021.
Gloria Flake
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Thu 17 Jun 2021
at 21:37
  • msg #960

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

I seriously doubt yhe hospital I sw cost even 10 million. Of course, we need to decide what is and is not covered in that sum, Salaries would increase it quite bit as would litle hidden capabilities.  Anyway, we build a bigger addition and get to work. Lt Gardner's plans are seemingly sound and we'll go for it. with a few modifications
I'll earmark a small house for Bjorn's folks. I did specify two Y shaped apartment buildings, so small houses may need to drop to 250-300.
The Apartments were to be 12 stories tall with three apartments on each floor of each leg of the Y, excepting the ground floor wihich will have shops and facilities stuff. So 99  BR equivalent apartments per building. A 3 BR is about as big as 2 one BR apartments or 2 Two BR and a 1 BR efficiency apartments take up about as much as two 3 BR. 25% 1 BR; 35% 2 BR and the remaining 40% are 3 BR.
Fate
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Fri 18 Jun 2021
at 07:31
  • msg #961

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 960):

I also seriously doubt the hospital you saw had even one MRI, let alone 2! Remember, 20 million is spent on the gear in yours, so it is pretty well equipped for a hospital that size.

2-3 floors is not much because you can make it out of sandstone and local materials reasonably, but 12 stories makes the price go up, or the accommodation go down by a factor of 3. Size wise, apartments or shops makes no difference, so we are talking 2x 108 apartment blocks, each with 99 3 BR apartments and shops on the ground floor, will increase the budget by 20 million, and will not allow any surplus cash for houses. But that is fine, it will be more secure.


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So we have 198 3 BR equivalent. 40% are 3BR, so say 80 x 3BR

A 3 BR apartment has 3 x BR, 1 x Kitchen, 2 x bathroom, 1 x Laundry and 1x Dining/living room = 8 rooms.
A 2 BR apartment has 2 x BR, 1 x Kitchen, 1 x bathroom, 1 x Laundry and 1x Dining/living room = 6 rooms.
A 1 BR apartment has 1 x BR, 1 x Kitchen/Dining, 1x Living Room, 1 x bathroom/Laundry = 4 rooms.
A Studio has 1x Bedroom/longe/Living/dining/kitchen, 1xlundry/bathroom = 2 rooms

so if we have the rest 118 x 3BR equivalent = 118 x 8 rooms = 944 rooms. of these, 25%/60% = 41.67% are 2 BR. Therefore 393 rooms are 6 BR or 66 2 BR apartments, take up 396 rooms. Therefore 548 rooms are taken up by 1 BR apartments, 137 1 BR apartments.



Crunching maths using the percentages you gave, we end up with 80 3 BR apartments, 66 2 BR apartments and 137 1 BR apartments. So you can handle 146 families and 137 couples/singles. You also have an electronic furnace and metalworks facility capable of manufacturing 10t of metal product per day and a series of large warehouses, all house in a walled complex and setting up your own construction and maintenance company that will quarry the local sandstone for the buildings. This will also include two Hero powerplants, either of which could run the entire complex, as well as six light Beam turrets protecting the perimeter. The wall would extend around the spaceport, making this also secure. This number will enable TSA agents to be included very easily, with little visibility.

A light Beam turret is added to each end of the Y of the apartment block for good measure, bringing the total turrets to 9, each with three beam weapons. If they all start firing, you might have to turn off the furnaces or start up the second power plant. The power plants are underground, between the apartment block and the hospital.

The tighter security means a force of about 10 can patrol it, but you could justify up to 30 persons for this...

Construction is expected to take a year for all this.

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $548,003,300
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:36, Fri 18 June 2021.
Gloria Flake
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Fri 18 Jun 2021
at 23:50
  • msg #962

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

We need more 3 BR... say 100 and somewhat fewer 1 BR.
My calculations were a 3 BR of about 1800 sq ft. ; a 2 BR of around 1150-1200 Sq Ft and a One BR of 600-800 sq ft. An efficiency should be able to manage 300-400 sq ft max.

Least that was my thinking.
Fate
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Sat 19 Jun 2021
at 00:48
  • msg #963

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 962):

Increasing the 3 BR, you would have 100 3 BR apartments, 66 2 BR apartments and 97 1 BR apartments, capable of housing 166 families and 97 couples or singles.

Ah, showed the calculations above. Simplified it by looking at total number of rooms, rather than trying to split hairs and look at footprint. If 3BR (8 rooms) is 1800, then a room is 225, so a 2 BR would be 1350, a 1 BR is about 900 and a studio is about 450 square, so it really works out pretty similar. We have lived in plenty of 1, 2 and 3 bedroom apartments over the years, and that also matches when you remember that all apartments have to include access, lifts and common services as well as the actual apartment.

You can add an extra 100 townhouses/low lying apartments built separately for about 21 million more, with the extra covering the additional walls and security on said walls.

If you want details, I would say anything up to about three floors, ie low enough to use sandstone bricks and not require high-rise engineering and lifts could be built for the base price of $200,000 per three bedroom footprint. As soon as you go above that, you require complex craning, steelwork and design for construction, not to mention much more complex services, including lifts, underground carparks, etc, etc. Hence the threefold price increase. On top of that, security and fencing has to be extended to include this, which would be about 10% of the base price.

We are not familiar with what you call an efficiency. Is that a studio apartment?

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $548,003,300
Gloria Flake
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Sat 19 Jun 2021
at 02:27
  • msg #964

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

I am sure they have something similar to a studio apartment.

OK 3 story town house is fine, but i still want some single family homes, doesn't have to be a bunch, but maybe 40-50?
Anyway , we have a plan.

Anything from Dzosuiken?
Fate
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Sat 19 Jun 2021
at 03:38
  • msg #965

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 964):

A studio is a single room with an en-suite attached, usually with the washing machine and dryer in a cupboard somewhere, and a kitchenette along one wall.

Sure, 50 single homes and 50 apartments in small townhouses, set up with garage and laundry on first floor, living on second floor and bedrooms on third floor, all side by side deal. $22 mill extra, including extending the walls and security arrangements.

Central building, 12 floor Y shaped with 100x 3 BR apartments, 66x 2 BR apartments and 97x 1 BR apartments, capable of housing 166 families and 97 couples or singles.

You also have an electronic furnace and metalworks facility capable of manufacturing 10t of metal product per day and a series of large warehouses, all housed in a walled complex and setting up your own construction and maintenance company that will quarry the local sandstone for the buildings. This will also include two Hero powerplants, either of which could run the entire complex, as well as six light Beam turrets protecting the perimeter. The wall would extend around the spaceport, making this also secure. This number will enable TSA agents to be included very easily, with little visibility.

A light Beam turret is added to each end of the Y of the apartment block for good measure, bringing the total turrets to 9, each with three beam weapons. If they all start firing, you might have to turn off the furnaces or start up the second power plant. The power plants are underground, between the apartment block and the hospital.

The tighter security means a force of about 20 can patrol it, but you could justify up to 50 persons for this...

Business set up:
- Quarrying for sandstone bricks [15 workers]
- Construction services (Plumbers, Electricians, Painters and Cabinetry/woodworkers) [30 workers]
- Storage/Freight services [10 workers]
- Iron Smelting [50 Workers], many ores in in large quantities, steel and other metals out
- Sukun Truck manufacturing [30 workers] steel and other metals in, Electronics in.
- Starship and Power Services (including Starport) [30 workers]
- Intersteller Freight Services [10 workers plus starship crews]
- Unofficial manufacturing [50 workers] Steel and other items in, weapons out!
- Sukun Industries medical services [50 workers]
- Local Produce shops and restaurants [20 workers]
- Local school/childcare centre [25 workers]
- Security services [up to 50 workers]

This will account for 315 workers, though many will be partners

Overall accommodation: 200x 3 BR apartments or homes/townhouses, 66x 2BR apartments, 97x 1BR apartments, so accommodation for 266 families and 97 singles or couples. Given many couples provide 2 workers, that will be quite sufficient.

Construction is expected to take another year for all this, so it will be complete by 10 Aug 2183.

As yet, nothing has been heard from Dzosuiken, other than the regular reports that indicate the starport there is doing well. It would be a good place to set up an electronics manufacturing facility though. One thing is for sure, you are getting a lot of attention. Not all of it is from the government, either. Criminals are seeing a growing market that seems to be very good at keeping out law enforcement...

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $526,003,300
Gloria Flake
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Sun 20 Jun 2021
at 02:35
  • msg #966

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

Then they should notice that law enforcement isthere, 50 strong, with detective sna d a hot line to the capital, so we aren't an easy target.
Of course some gray area folks know to talk with Mr Gardner. He may not be able to hide your illegal actions, but he can help you keep a low profile.
Fate
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Sun 20 Jun 2021
at 02:46
  • msg #967

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 966):

After the first week,you find some Union guys trying to demand your workers join their union. They are not at all polite about it, either. Gardner lets you know that they are a front for a local organized crime syndicate that deals with drugs, an area you have been staying out of. He does not want war with them, but he does not want them effecting business either.

15 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $526,003,300
Gloria Flake
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Sun 20 Jun 2021
at 21:17
  • msg #968

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

We round them up, pull the leader in to a private discusion after clearing him for bugs and electronics.

We get you want in, but the answer is No. live and let live, but mess with us and your lives will be a hideous Hell.  We can supply some small weapons, no heavy weapons though and anyone found in here who works for you, without our agreement, will not be working here.  Bad things will happen to him. If you want to make a fuss we will totally blow your cover and assist the Government in squashing you thoroughly! Take your deal elsewhere and we know nothing.  I'll expect an answer in 24 hours, you will bing it. If I hear nothing, we'll have to assume no deal. Unsharlur is a crappy place to exist in.
Fate
GM, 5487 posts
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Mon 21 Jun 2021
at 01:20
  • msg #969

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 968):

If rounding them up was easy, the police would do it!

You manage to find one of the operators, who does not want to meet with you, but does so because you have 2 guys behind him with weapons.

You deliver your terms, and he responds that they will not like them, but he does go off and deliver the terms to his boss.

Obviously, he is good to his word. That evening, one of the trucks returning to you with food from local farms fails to return...

Gardner scowls.

"That is near their 'territory'. We may not find it helpful to ignore them and hope they go away. To deal with them may be a bit messy, but it would seem that they need to learn the boundaries the hard way. That can happen with criminal types...

I could send out a squad of lads, but that is likely to cause more collateral damage than I would like. Or you and I could take 4 or 5 lads and pay them a stern visit, perhaps take a few of their guys and pull them to the table.

I know a street where we could find a couple of their street dealers, and it is not like we can't find a truck...
"

17 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $526,003,300
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:06, Mon 21 June 2021.
Gloria Flake
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Tue 22 Jun 2021
at 03:14
  • msg #970

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

And we have that fighter with it's gatling laser, should we need back up.
Gather up some reliable and experienced help.

LT David Gardner
Intelo, 106 posts
Tue 22 Jun 2021
at 05:26
  • msg #971

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 970):

"Sure. But the guys we need will depend on our intentions.... which are?"
This message was last edited by the GM at 08:20, Tue 22 June 2021.
Gloria Flake
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Tue 22 Jun 2021
at 16:47
  • msg #972

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

Gloria looks at the Lt. like he had just grown horns...

Well we were going to make them leave us alone, or did I miss something?
LT David Gardner
Intelo, 107 posts
Tue 22 Jun 2021
at 19:59
  • msg #973

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 972):

Gardner is taken aback, and seems a bit annoyed at your reaction to him asking for details.

"Yes. I am asking how. A scouting trip to find it will help to know what we are dealing with, though we already have some idea. A full military strike is likely to attract the attention of the actual military! Grabbing a few guys is risky, because they may not care. Grabbing family members may well escalate things and bring the police in on this. You have not exactly been clear on the details, you know..."
Gloria Flake
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Tue 22 Jun 2021
at 20:47
  • msg #974

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

I believe it was you who said , and i quote "Or you and I could take 4 or 5 lads and pay them a stern visit, perhaps take a few of their guys and pull them to the table."
LT David Gardner
Intelo, 108 posts
Tue 22 Jun 2021
at 23:24
  • msg #975

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 974):

"I did. I presented that as one of several options. I then ended that by asking which option you would like to proceed with, a question I have not had answered..."
Gloria Flake
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Wed 23 Jun 2021
at 02:33
  • msg #976

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

I thought I did when I suggested you gather "Gather up some reliable and experienced help", which matched your offered plan of getting a few rliable guys and visiting them. and I still want the fighter availablein case things go badly.


BTW we are getting clos to 1,000 posts
LT David Gardner
Intelo, 109 posts
Wed 23 Jun 2021
at 03:06
  • msg #977

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 976):

"Ok, I think I see the confusion. I offered several plans, not just one. Gathering up a few guys to visit them is not a plan, it is the start of one. Visiting them to discuss things is very different from visiting them to steal a couple of their guys, and also visiting them with guns blazing to try to find and free our guys by force. You said to go for it, but I need to know which one we are going for, and the guys I pick will be decided by that."

[OOC: Yeah, I am trying to decide what to call the next thread...]
Gloria Flake
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Wed 23 Jun 2021
at 19:24
  • msg #978

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

Well, we don't leave our guys in their clutches. We need to snag a couple of leaders if we can as well.
Then they cooperate and go away, or they don't and they go away to the state police.

Building a Corporation   maybe a decnt title.
Fate
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Thu 24 Jun 2021
at 01:47
  • msg #979

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 978):

Good but very general plan. Can we narrow down the specifics of what we plan to do just now?
Gloria Flake
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Thu 24 Jun 2021
at 02:00
  • msg #980

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

Not based on the very general info I have...  we take a squad of reliable, known fighters on our side (a few TSA) and get our guys back...fighter supports if needed, truck brings some heavy weapons just in case,
Fate
GM, 5502 posts
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Thu 24 Jun 2021
at 04:04
  • msg #981

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 980):

Ok, so a truck with 10 combatants and heavy weapons...plan is to drive to

a) Last known location of the truck
b) Known organisation HQ
c) Known organisation activities, such as places drugs are sold
d) Known organisation obodes (ie homes)
e) Other (please specify).
Gloria Flake
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Thu 24 Jun 2021
at 19:58
  • msg #982

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

No reason to go where the truck isn't
How well protected is the HQ
Not much benefit of chasing the low level guys doing sales
Abodes are a definite maybe, as taking family members is clear retaliation for taking our folks... how well protcted are those?
Fate
GM, 5507 posts
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Fri 25 Jun 2021
at 00:07
  • msg #983

Re: Exploring in an Iiken...

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 982):

You arre not sure of the level of protection of HQ or family, but there are plenty of thugs with guns around!



Feel free to take this to the new thread when you have a plan!
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