Well, probably wise if we also tend to it as we can.  I want to get tis hospitalimprovemnt program working as best we can. Do you have time to come down to the factory with me?

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 934):

"I can take some time off next week...I have some leave accumulated. That would work?"

07 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 100/week, Cargo Space: 1+3+2(L)-4(Medical) -1.3(supplies)= 0.7 dTons, current crew: 5+Gloria+6(in Liner), $764,503,300
TSA Vessel, Crew 6, Supplies: 4250 person days worth, consume 50/week
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Certainly, I'll make sure I get as much as i can off my schdule and get some intersting food in the house.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 936):

You send the other two vessels down to your starport as discussed, while you stay in the capital. You use your shuttle to transport the goods from your hold to your base. How do you want to go about registering a new hospital, if at all?

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $764,503,300

I thought we had a medical facility of some sort, so we are just upgrading it to provide care to a growing population.

Once down there (we do need a name for this place) I also contact Lt  Gardner about the current situation. I get the updats and discuss our future operations.  What is the current situation with the Hairy Knuckle draggers up in the capital?

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 938):

Kasra is the name of the smaller town where you have set up shop. You have your own medical facility for your factory, but it is not a public hospital. The latter has a significant amount of regulatory policy's that need to be adhered to, as well as official approvals that accompany such.

At the moment the situation is tense, with the military bowing to public pressure to reign in the knuckle draggers, after they suffered significant losses. It is said that 200 have died in skirmishes, though this is unconfirmed and rumours are that at least 6600 'dissidents and criminals' have been killed. Sales of weapons have gone ballistic, and you cannot keep up with production, particularly of heavy weapons. Storm rifle orders are 2 weeks behind, Anti material rifles are already a month behind and even the Gatling plasmas are 3 weeks behind. Mining for the materials is picking up as well, and the mining companies that provide raw materials by skimming their production runs are among your biggest customers. They are local businesses, and part of the reason you chose this location.

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $764,503,300
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OK, Kasra is cool, I like it.
Are not most of the peope here employees or their families?
If we can, I want to grow our own facility, but aid the local Drs if needed (much as done here on earth).
We will encourage the Local medical folks to create a community Hospital in Kasra for those not employed by us.
We can assist financially.

We will start training a few of our company Dr.s at first, to build the program before instituting it.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 940):

There is a couple of Mines in the area taking advantage of the rich iron ore and silica deposits, as well as a company that does rare earth metals and ceramics, as well as a number of smaller supporting business. The town existed and had a starport there before you arrived, remember, and that was why you chose this place.

As such, there would be an existing local hospital, though like yourself, most of the mines have their own facilities. Building up your facilities makes good sense, and as you gain the trust of the local practitioners they will likely send patients to you.

Your local facilities would currently be pretty minimal as you have not focused on it until now...how much do you want to spend building it up.

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $764,503,300

So how much can we do with a million or 1.5 Million?

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 942):

Well, to re-iterate costs discussed so far,






So with that in mind, $1.5 million would get you a small 3 floor clinic with about 20 beds and 5 specialist rooms for the equipment you brought. No accommodation has been built for the new Terran doctors though. This would probably be the minimum for your own medical facility, and lacks even a backup power supply, which would cost in the vicinity of $3 million per 20 MW output, which would be enough for a small hospital or accommodation for about 50. Or a perimeter defense system.

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $764,503,300

OK... grab head to stop spinning feeling.

Let's look at a three floor Med facility with two surgical theaters on the 3rd floor, 12 bed ICU on the second or 3rd floor plus three separate wards with say 16 beds each.  I assume the Imaging lab is on the 3rd floor, for easy use by the surgeons. Laboratory is on the second floor.
We will put the medical folks up in what we have but build them a decent apartment set up (3 apartments on each floor, 4 floors) for 12 persons/small families. Obviously back up power is critical, but 20 MW may be overkill to start. The current building becomes the entrance and office space.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 944):

Ok, going back through the posts, you discussed but did not construct any accommodation blocks. Hence I put the summary in the last post.

What you have discussed would fit into the $1.5 mill budget with just one ward of 16 beds, on the lower floor, labs taking up the whole of the second floor and two operating theatres, two imaging rooms (say CAT and MRI) and 12 bed ICU on the third floor. Note that some of this equipment has a very high power usage. I have broken down the gear below.

You had purchased 20 million worth of medical gear on Argon.

$2 Mil of computers, consisting of 3 Mainframes and considerable software, 0.1 MW Power needed
$1 Mil for 2x HyMRI scanners, both with brain scanners, use 0.5 MW Power each
$3 Mil for 2 specialized operating theatres, use 0.2 MW power each, includes surgical Lasers
$0.5 Mil for 2 general operating theatres, use 0.1 MW Power each
$1 Mil for 40 Medical beds, including 15 with ECU and Diagnostics
$0.5 Mil for 4 Automeds 'beds'.
$10 Mil for various Laboritories, use 0.3 MW power each (Lab skills Pharmacy(Synthetic), Biology(Microbiology), Biology(Biochemistry), Bio engineering (Genetic, for Vaccines), Bio engineering (Tissue Engineering for organs), Chemistry(Blood Analyser) and Chemistry(Spectroanalyzer)
$1 Mil for repair equipment for said gear, 0.2 MW needed
$1 Mil for various kits and smaller portable equipment

Total Power: 4.1 MW, not including Air conditioning, cooking, lights and general utilities, which are usually quite high... a quick internet search indicates that hospitals use about 45 kW h annually (bearing in mind electricity accounts for about 2/3 of all power usage). You should anticipate at least 5 MW of power are required for all systems in the hospital. A Power plant that size would cost $1 Mill.

Once we sort out power, that should take care of the medical facility. We do need to come up with a plan for accommodation though.

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $743,003,300

Ok, let's increase the building siz to provide another two wards, I am thinking emergency use levels here. so 4 floors now.
Let's get at least two, preferably three 5MW power supplies, so we have back up and also something for apartments and houses.

I thought we had built a small walled compound at one point and were trying to interest the workers in the idea of company provided apartments/homes. I know I built a place for me and thought this was all part and parcel. We start building Apartments, 12 stories, Y shaped with parking in the gaps. establish local transport.  try to keep rent costs down but offset pay a bit for those in Compny housing.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 946):

Sure. But bear in mind one 20 MW power supply will cost the same as 3x 5 MW power supplies.

I could not find the direction or the payment of actually ordering it. I can say it was started then if it was just an oversight. Which message had direction to build the compound?

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $743,003,300

In reply to Fate (msg # 947):

The issue with just one power supply is lack of duplication. with the 5 MW systems, if one goes down, there are still two to cover things.

I have not gone searching back thrugh the messages, but will try to tomorrow.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 948):

Ah, redundancy. You could always go for a pair of Hero/Iiken Cargo powerplants, $9 mil for a brand new one, providing 60 MW of power (each craft has 2, also for redundancy). One would probably be sufficient for your factories, accommodation and hospital. Of course, this would also provide some justification to prying eyes about why such a big powerplant...you just say they are redundant ones for your fleet! With two or even three, you could afford to get less reliable ones, or use them as backups for your ships, swapping out old ones for the new ones on a rotatable basis. 50 year old ones would have 150 years of life left in them, be slightly less reliable (HT 9) and cost half as much, since they are second hand. Kind of plays into the hands of your local repairman...perhaps you need to put him on your books too!

Speaking of the local industries, the local refineries are having trouble keeping up with old customers and your own supply demands. Especially your...specific metal requirements.

Of course, the more high value legitimate business and property you own here, the greater your justification for your own security forces...so far all you have is a small starport, a transport company (with a couple of large and busy warehouses to store transport many mining products) and a truck manufacturing business. If anyone checked, the volume of stuff going into the warehouses could not possibly be transported off planet by the ships you currently have. Perhaps a blast furnace for smelting might resolve that? An electric arc furnace costs about $1 million per 10t capacity per day, and uses 10 MW per 10t ton of steel produced per day. They are also good for getting rid of evidence...

Are we getting out of hand yet? :D

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $743,003,300
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Looks like we are getting really detailed...

The Blast Furnace sounds useful; he Hero power units are to expensive for what they provide.
The 20KW unit and a couple of 5KW as back ups sound more useful.

Given the growing size of our facilities, we may need to get a constituted police /security force set up.

It's becoming a growing concern that needs a full time manager.
How much time does Bjorn have before he can retire?

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 950):

Bjorn has another 15 years before retirement, but he can separate at any time, with 6 months notice.

Your facilities are still small, at the moment. But yes, as they potentially grow, they have the potential for needing a larger security force. I am trying o give plenty of options, as your character would be aware of. Leut Gardner would make sure of that...he is in favour of a large commercial/industrial footprint, and that gives weight to political influence, and in a world already dissatisfied with Kidashi, and by extension, Dingir, that could be very useful.

I am trying to simplify purchases to a sort of 'shopping list'. Let me know what you want...

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $743,003,300
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Well the Hospital, Apartments, some individual homes for larger families, the Blast furnace and a small but growing security force.

For now, Mr, Gardner is the manager, whose job it is to go around and keep things under control.  Only I should know he is a Lt long over due for promotion.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 952):

Yes, ok. Perhaps I should rephrase that. How much are you willing to spend, or how many people do you want the hospital/accommodation to accommodate? If you give me a reasonable sum I can put a proposal together for you.

Yes, Gardner mat well be overdue for promotion, but right now he, like you, is in the field.

08 Aug 2182, Sukun, Supplies: 1000 person-days worth, consume 50/week, current crew: 5+Gloria, $743,003,300

In reply to Fate (msg # 953):

Per msgs 946 and 950. may well runinto 30 milion or so.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 954):

As per message #943, costs may well go much higher than that. That is why I suggested a budget, and we see what can be done with that. Bigger will give you more political clout, and justify a bigger security force. How much does the average US hospital cost? 60-180 million by Google. You have spent perhaps 22 million on a health centre....

A Major city hospital may be that much or more, but we are building some thing with 48 beds in wards plus 12 in an icu; 2 operating rooms and a lab and an imaging Lab.   More like a Community hospital for a small city or large town.

I'll let you create a number, but I suspect 30-40 million should be plenty.
The school should create some income, as should patients insurance ... how ever they do it here.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 956):

It can of course be any size, but most US hospitals start around 60 million, and so far you have spent about 25, if that. But the budget I am looking for, or the plan, is for the whole complex... accommodation, hospital, furnace, storage, whatever else. Numbers are above if you want to crunch them, or I can if you give me a reasonable budget.
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LoL...well I just came from one in Benson AZ that sure didn't cost any 60 million!
One permanent building about 75 feet square, the imaging(X-ray etc.) in a semi trailer and about 5 or 6 Mobile homes for offices and I presume wards. The Parking lot had room for about 60 cars or so. The ER was in the permanent building.

Compared to the 4 story Hospital we have here, very, very basic. Benson is about 30 miles north of here on the interstate and major East-West rail line.  Tucson is about 35-40 miles West of Benson, so most evacuations go there. Tucson has at least 3 major hospitals and a few smaller ones. Two 1st Class trauma centers IIRC, but critical burn patients do go to Phoenix (40+% of the body burned badly).

Let's call it $50 million and move on.

Would Bjorn find it reasonable to move down here, family and all?