In reply to Sdian McGuire (msg # 212):

Yeah, I have always tried to play Jurelda as being the oldest as well though, so for her I would say 2 d 10, for which I rolled a 7, giving 13 years older. That would make sense, as it would put her a bit older than you, enough to be friends with your mother, but still about 10 years younger than her. About between you and your mother, really.

Other than that, the ages seems reasonable. You are 23, Born July 9, 2160, so lets put dates to settle it.

Jurelda, born 02 Feb 2147
Nelaroi, born 15 Dec 2152
Luretha, born 26 May 2155
Gulzina, born 17 Sep 2163
Leticia, born 9 Jun 2164

Gulzat, born 13 Jan 2168, has not been with Sdian and may join Sasha planetside.

Character sheets and Players Vessels updated...

I have never seen it that way... and why a 27 year old woman would carry on with a 14 year old...

I think she should be closer to 6 or so years older... she can still be the leader with little issue, as you have seen young men lead older men rather often. Some excel at it and others don't do so well.

In reply to Sdian McGuire (msg # 214):

I never had her carrying on with you. To the contrary. The younger ladies may have, however. Not all of them carried on with you.

In reply to Fate (msg # 215):

It is written into Sdian's pre-story which you approved. We seem to have split after that and seems to be the basis of the current discussion.
Yung No was unwilling and we both played that out. IIRC you had Nel decide to play withme her way... Luretha seems to have been due to a bit of drink and lowered resistance, although she has hung on.... I am guilty of adding Gulzina, and you of adding Leticia to the Harem.

If you go back to the pre-story, I think it is clear that Jurelda and Sdian had some history together and they trusted each other, the other ladies just followed Jurelda. So I find the current direction a bit awkward/odd/confusing. I gather that Bonnie wants to do Girl on Girl stuff with her...  which isn't a concern.  The age and distance you are now creating is not tracking with my original concept so well.

In reply to Sdian McGuire (msg # 216):

Ok, could you find the aspect that indicated that she was younger? In my mind, the others trusted Jurelda because she was the older one, and her history with you included your parents. History together does not always equal sleeping together in my books, hence the direction I have taken her.

As far as I can tell, the only real difference we have is what that history involved. I had more of a family friend, whereas you had more of a lover in mind. I don't see any other significant difference, but happy to be corrected if I missed something.

Read the first few pages of A SMALL DELIVERY and from the PM NEW GUY this:

Artus had his guys do a quick repaint and altered the hull numbers to match Sdians fake records. Mean while Sdian went to look for any known crew hw could find looking for a ship … he saw Jurelda, a woman who had been crew on his Dad’s ship several times, he knew her pretty well mentally and physically. He called her over,  gave her the “Things aren’t good Look “ and asked if she could recommend any potential crew ready to leave really soon, She smiled “Yup, and they are looking for a capable ship to blow this place as soon as possible as they had had a run in with their captain who was trying to get them barred from crewing.  Sdian smirked and nodded, “Good, then we can skip this place, seems to be the thing to do”.
Crap, frying pan to fire Sdian thought, but he went along and Jurelda personally affirmed Sdian’s ability to run a ship well to the other women standing with their gear and crew bags (Sdian had told her his Dad had been killed and things were grim. The other three women have all held multiple posts, as has Jurelda, so have multiple useful skills:
Jurelda is decent with guns and ship handling and is a cargo master.
Luretha knows power plants and various drives as well as guns and anti-boarding operations.
Yung No has done sensors, comms, power plants, supply and cooking.
Nelaroi was actually ready to be accepted as a Doctor until an instructor found her following Terran medical guidance and she was summarily ejected from the medical profession and barred from practicing. She is a good pilot and a fine cook as well as an excellent Doctor, although not licensed.
Their previous ship they had been on was a Sharushid Remote Freighter and it was getting ready to jump. Sdian told them his ride was going to be a whole lot smaller.  He led them back to the Junk yard, which got all of them asking questions, until he led them to the spiffy little Iiken.
They quickly stowed their gear and started familiarizing themselves with this little ship. Sdian squared up with Artus, thanked him for his help and told him he’d be on the lookout for stuff Artus could use. They closed up, verified they were sealed and lifted off, sliding into the departure routine and headed for a jump point, then they initiated the jump and made it out to Suken and thence to Gikir and on to Girii, avoiding the growing issues between Girri and Lemrukiri on the way in, but stuck on Girii thereafter because of it.  Sdian started looking for new work, as did Jurelda and others.

Then down further:  I have made an assumption that most captains will only accept women who aren't averse to being hit on and will put out some at least ... tight confines and long slack periods mean an uppity female rights type is just a big headache. So all these girls have been between the sheets with some regularity, or as they say, "Good girls, not nice girls". Some have issues because of it.

Then on 20mFeb 2021 - Then there comes the question about Jurelda...spare points for an ally? Maybe next adventure!

Yes, I'd do that ... which would furthermy take on things I think....

In reply to Sdian McGuire (msg # 218):

Yeah, read all of that. Bearing in mind she had been crew on his dads ship several times, and he was just 17 at that time, she had to be quite a few years older. But other than that, there is nothing to suggest that she is younger than the age I have given him.

I let my daughter sleep in the same bed when she has nightmares, but I can guarantee there is nothing sexual about it. If she had been with his Father (or Mother!) that would still very much fit the description of not being adverse to being hit on.

Nothing against her being an ally, as would be likely if she was looking after him because she knew his parents. Ally is about loyalty, not just sleeping together, as most Allies in Northport can attest to...

Accept that, but still do not see anything suggesting she was less than 13 years older than Sdian. Am I still missing something?

I guess I think so, but we could go on and on... I see it differently than you do... I would question Sdian's interest in a much older woman, and he has always been interested in her... I think 6-7 years handles it better.  That and the fact that at 27 she was screwing with him at 14, which pretty much canon at this point.

Yeah this is where we part perception. I just don't see how you get this from above, much less consider it canon. She was old enough to give him showers at a young age, but there was nothing sexual about it. I am yet to see any indication that she did anything more than humor him. Sdians father, another story...but Sdian...
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:35, Fri 07 Apr 2023.

It's in Sdian's write up as a part of his character sheet... you could have made any of the other older back then ... but he put that in his back ground as a reason to feel trust with Jurelda.  Intimacy is quite different from being showered by an adult, speaking from some experience all those many years ago...  I do not want her to be so far out of my age bracket ... there is a reason we work well together. It is not because she my my mother substitute.

In reply to Sdian McGuire (msg # 222):

Are you referring to



I understand you want her a certain way, but I just don't see any history to support it, when I have always played her as an older woman and a friend of your parents. Besides, she needed credibility to vouch for your ability to run a starship, as per your bio, and a 25 to woman would lack that. The background reason to trust each other was that you knew each other. As I said before, if there is anything I missed, happy to reconsider, but she was and is an NPC, not even an Ally, and I think I have been pretty generous in how much I have let you define and control her so far. There are very few occasions a GM will allow a player to veiw NPC sheets, let alone have a big part in defining them, when no points have been spent on said individual. I had her as being older to give credibility in those crucial early years, and a friend of your parents to explain loyalty. Am I being unreasonable in this?

Within the range discussed Jurelda's age is unimportant to Bonny. It's how she is (personality) that counts.

In reply to Fate (msg # 223):

Nah, not at all ... it's not going my way  ;-)

OK, The Karhuki are the TL 9, jump 1 folks we met first and helped against the bugs a bit later?

We need a listing of races like we have for planets so old guys like me can keep up with these guys.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 226):

Correct, on both comments. The Karuhki are friendly, the bugs, not so..

I try to keep the intelligence thread and the world you know updated, but differing timelines and RL time required to do that make it a challenge.

Ok, I won't ask if we are all happy with Jureldas status, but at least we are all clear on that now, and moving forward on the same page?

No, not at all pleased, but may survive regardless. I still would prefer her much younger.

In reply to Sdian McGuire (msg # 228):

Ah, how many men have said that...

In reply to Fate (msg # 229):

I have finally aligned rank with GISW, and it seems Gloria is only a Captain. That is probably just as well, as sending Commodores away would be highly irregular...

Fine with Jurelda. She's levely regardless.

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Saw the rank table, TY!
Maybe it makes Brutus seen underranked. But can't buy higher rank without CPs.

In reply to Brutus Cartwright (msg # 231):

Junior officer, working his way up. Yes, a bit under ranked for XO under a rank 06 officer, that would usually be rank 05. But you had some CP recently...usually takes about 3-5 years to go up a rank outside of war knocking off senior officers...

OK, I can live with it, but will be extracting the points I spent on rank and such.

The rank table is skewed some (screwed some) as who ever put it together has never been in the military.

Ensign and Lieutenant Junior Grade are officers who command portions of the crew and have specific tasks they are responsible for, But Navigation, Engineering and fire control are positions for more senior officers whose ranks depends on the size of the ship or command. I the Army these are normally platoon leaders or Company XO.s

A Lieutenant is about the lowest rank to command a small ship, ... this equal to an Army Captain who commands about 200 soldiers
Lt Cdr is typical for a small escort or several smaller ships. .... only rare commands for Majors in the Army, but are Bn XOs.

Cdr is posted to merchants, support ships, heads departments and as XO to larger ships  ...  LTC in the Army, commands a Battalion of 800 to 1200 men, depending of type of unit.

But to command a Light cruiser and up to a super dreadnougt requires a Captain. Captains also command larger groups of escorts.
The Army rank is Colonel and often commands a Brigade or holds some senior staff position.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 233):

The same points are still spent. Commodore just needs more points, you are still tank 6, which is higher than recommended for adventurers.

My experience in the military actually ties in pretty well with that. Lieutenant Commanders usually command smaller craft such as patrol boats (crews <50). Commanders usually command larger craft such as Frigates, destroyers, oilers or Auxiliary craft (crews up to about 200), and Captains usually command capital ships, possibly including aircraft carriers, but we don't have any of them. A captain can take a smaller vessel for a specific mission, such as this one, but it is not so common. Army typically has a lot more men for their rank.

So while rank 3 might argueably have been appropriate for Brutus on their previous vessel, wouldn't the new, much larger vessel mean it's inappropriate for him to be XO? Just a head of section?

Possibly, so, are you looking to not be XO?
Perhaps to not have long discussions with the capatain?

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 236):

No, no at all, just concerned about possible discontent amongst the crew if a junior (rank 3) officer is occupying a senior (rank 4 or 5) position.