If you wanted to play a martial artist you'd need to be a Monk, not a Pally ;). A Pally is basically a hybrid Cleric/Warrior, anyway. They're not the only religious classes, they just seem to be the ones always used as an example for Lawful Stupid. But I think any Divine-based class should probably be following whatever tenets apply to their chosen religion...

4th edition is good (and some people complained bad) for being very balanaced mechanically and not relying on narrative balances like paladin codes, stat balances like high initial requirements requirements, or the whole 'yeah, low level SUCKS but wait til you become the best class at high level!

So paladin's code and reasons and links to their codes are all left to player/GM to regulate (just like clerics) and all the mechanical powers are balanced to be in line with other classes.


And by the 4th edition rules you could still be a paladin with that ethos, and perhaps be a champion of Malora or Avandra.

I think a Monk character was one of the character ideas I was tinkering with recently.  Might work out a complete one at some point.  No hurry, unless something nasty happens to either of the characters I'm currently playing as...

And I already have another full character idea readied as a backup anyway :)

Could try a Paladin too I suppose, though I think Kaelynn is the nearest I'll get to playing a lawful character.
I'm too much of a rebel at heart! ;)

Swordmage is one I definitely want to try sometime...

You're playing in a game where the entirety of reality could be warped by a rogue wish spell, and you think a Meri or Nym have to die before you guys could temporarily (or permanently, but I'd be sad) play a different character? :p

The Basic D&D game I started with many, many years ago actually had paladin be a choice for high level fighters who were Lawful. However, the flip side was for Chaotic characters, and they were called an Avenger. Seems like the sort of character you mean...

Wait, I'm an idiot, Avenger is a class in 4th edition. They basically can swear oaths of embity and people they hate and target specific opponents. They're basically another striker, with some divine back up for their avenging :)

So Nym could "accidentally" wish for Meri to be someone else at some point?  Hmm, curious...

[Private to The Altweaver: (I do have a few different character ideas if one would fit your plot better, otherwise, the readied character I mentioned was the fiery Tiefling hybrid Rogue/Sorcerer one)  :)]


Funny enough, I only just stumbled across this:
http://www.collegehumor.com/vi...7/female-armor-sucks

I love these little coincidental things that happen :)

Ah yes, that one :)


I remember the Terry Pratchett quote from The Light Fantastic about that very thing when you meet a female mercenary.

“Now, there is a tendency at a point like this to look over one’s shoulder at the cover artist and start going on at length about leather, tightboots and naked blades.
Words like ‘full’, ‘round’ and even ‘pert’ creep into the narrative, until the writer has to go and have a cold shower and a lie down.
Which is all rather silly, because any woman setting out to make a living by the sword isn’t about to go around looking like something off the cover of the more advanced kind of lingerie catalogue for the specialized buyer.
Oh well, all right. The point that must be made is that although Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan would look quite stunning after a good bath, a heavy-duty manicure, and the pick of the leather racks in Woo Hun Ling’s Oriental Exotica and Martial Aids on Heroes Street, she was currently quite sensibly dressed in light chain mail, soft boots, and a short sword.
All right, maybe the boots were leather. But not black.”

Well this is an odd gameNym might appreciate when she logs in!

http://geekandsundry.com/tell-...-with-tail-feathers/

Lol I've seen that "chainmail bikini" vid a few times. Another thing that tends to happen a lot in images/films depicting females wearing armour is that their breatplates have...well, breasts. Such a design would be highly dangerous since it would cause sword blows to be glanced inward to the middle of your chest! Bresatplates should be angled to point out from the centre of your chest so that attacks get directed away from your vitals :P. But these things are usually deisgned by blokes who don't consider a practical view on things and just want the woman's titties to be showing even if she's a walking tank :P.

Actually that last sentence would be the perfect argument for why those would be historically accurate :p


Any 'female' armour I've seen has unsurprisingly been normal armour. There's room in there to pad out anyway because it's uncomfortable metal armour to anyone!

I think the fact that 'yeah, woman just have normal version of stuff too, idiot' had flummoxed historians to such a ludicrous degree. Hang on, I'll go find the thingie about viking burials...

Edit: here it is.

http://www.tor.com/2014/09/02/...rriors-proof-swords/

Could be worse...  ;)

https://bizzam.files.wordpress...le-box-curiosity.jpg

Yeah, the next thing you know you're in space :(

(Because all horror films thta go on too long end up in space :p )

Ahh, Pandora's Box. My first thought on seeing that image was somewhat different, given the huge word "Curiosity" written beneath said cube. Booo :P.

Not quite, it's a Cenobite puzzle box, and releases this fun little gaggle of peeps if you solve it.


http://static.comicvine.com/up...dangel75-d3334nb.jpg


Also, we hit 3000 posts! Yay!

Please have an Action Point each for the metagame milestone. Nym, yours is of course better because you got the 3000th post. Just imagine it's shinier or is more colourful or is a larger size or something. Maybe it had your name carved on it :p

It's the Lemarchand puzzle box from the Hellraiser movies.
Definitely want to be careful messing around with that ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemarchand%27s_box

(Was a funny picture going around a while back where someone had photoshopped the screencap from Wall-E where he's holding a Rubik Cube, replacing it with the puzzle box and with Pinhead standing behind him, hehe)

Also congrats on getting the 3000th post! :)
EDIT: Double posted!  So two congratulationses!
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Ahh okay, I've never seen Hellraiser. I just know it has a bloke in it with a load of nails sticking out all over his head and like, lines between them so it's like his head is covered in squares. And presumably he's some kind of scary demon-monster-thingy who wants to, I dunno, burn and destroy the universe or whatever, the usual stuff ;).

Also, woohoo free Action Point :D. I hadn't really noticed the post count. I sort of hope I don't get to use this AP though, as it would mean we're in combat again and I have absolutely no means of healing myself right now so I could do without that ;).

I recharged my infusions back there, but have no surges left.
Also if I can't heal myself, I might get splatted before I can heal you...

Celindara does have two healing surges left, so she can offer those.

And you two should still have a couple of healing potions left, which you can use.

Just checking my inventory, I have:
2 Potions of Cure Light Wounds (spend a healing surge, (unless you're bloodied, then you can use it for free) regain 1d8+1 HP instead of surge value)
1 Potion of Healing (spend a healing surge and regain 10 HP)

Also got one that gives necrotic resistance, and another that gives necrotic and poison resistance and gives a bonus to Endurance checks against diseases of level 5 or lower.

If you want any of those for Nym just let me know :)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:54, Sun 21 Feb 2016.

Remember that as per my house rules, if you don't have healing surges, the healing potions and resistance potions (though not the cure light wounds) give their effects still.

Oooh okay, I had completely forgotten that. I have one of the 10hp-restoring health potions - I did have three but I think I used both the other two in that one fight we just had. That's it, though. No surges, and not enough gems filled in my headgear to be able to burn a couple on their healing power. We'd better just hope we don't get into any more fights before the next day, which could be somewhat problematic if Blace is currently in trouble and Allyn is still out there somewhere (whether or not those two things are related I suppose we shall find out soon enough)...

Lol, Meri has the way of it in the main thread, sell everything! Buy shinies like Healing Potions!


@Meri: Brewing magical potions is separate from alchemy. Alchemical stuff is more helpful externally as either your acid, or aids like the wound patch. Your alchemists theme also lets you make one thingie like that for free. But yeah, you need your alchemical workshop/an alchemy kit.


You can brew potion as a simple ritual without needing anything else other than what it costs you the cost of the potion, funnily enough. I might start enforcing the common/uncommon/rare categories to control which things (magical item and potion) you can make at any time, which you can only make when you've had a chance to see a similar item, and which you can never make without undertaking long research/getting special items, etc.


So yeah, you still have the water walking potion, and you could use the gp equivalent of your ritual components in order to brew a potion - though it takes an hour.

Note that's the same for healing potions, though it' a sad use for gp!


Remember the item list thread has the gp values of items on it, so you can see how much a potion costs to brew. I believe I made potions and alchemical formulae separate so you shouldn't get confused about which needs which skill.

Ahh ok.  I thought potion making WAS alchemy...  (O.O)

Easy mistake to make, but you have three separate skills for crafting

 - make magic items (artificer ability)
 - make magic potions/elixers (ritual, from ritual caster)
 - make alchemical thingies (feat, made better by alchemist theme)

Lol, see, I thought potion-making was Alchemy too...but I've never really bothered with it, or with Rituals (it's rare that I make a character with access to either) so I suppose it was an easy thing to miss ;).